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Posted by: CraigB Nov 1 2006, 04:27 PM
What's this guy's deal? Talk about Mr. Linderman here.
Posted by: chevyjock Nov 1 2006, 05:10 PM
he and hrg are linked somehow...
Posted by: hiroismyhero Nov 1 2006, 06:52 PM
no he is HRG
Posted by: Agent42 Nov 1 2006, 11:49 PM
He's obviously linked to DL and Nikki, as it was his henchman that DL was with who were transporting the $2-mil in bribe money for the flying Congressman. Ikkin offed the henchman, buried them in the desert and hid the money.
I think Linderman framed DL for the murders to get rid of him and then used his wife (Nikki) as a prostitute to add insult to injury. He seems to know a lot of things about a lot of people, but is only interested in advancing his agenda in DC (having a Congressman in his pocket). I'm thinking given his dealings and interests he's probably mafia.
Posted by: ash&los2 Nov 1 2006, 11:51 PM
I would say they should cast
Ol'Dirty ****** as Linderman. Too bad he's dead. RIP
Posted by: Thik Nov 2 2006, 11:49 AM
QUOTE (Agent42 @ Nov 1 2006, 11:49 PM)

He's obviously linked to DL and Nikki, as it was his henchman that DL was with who were transporting the $2-mil in bribe money for the flying Congressman. Ikkin offed the henchman, buried them in the desert and hid the money.
I think Linderman framed DL for the murders to get rid of him and then used his wife (Nikki) as a prostitute to add insult to injury. He seems to know a lot of things about a lot of people, but is only interested in advancing his agenda in DC (having a Congressman in his pocket). I'm thinking given his dealings and interests he's probably mafia.
Umm wrong.. completely. First they stole the 2 million, they were not transporting it for Linderman. It was not the bribe money for Nathan.
Second.. Linderman did not frame DL. As was pretty much slammed into our faces during the last episode, Jessica, Niki's other half did it.
Did you even watch the last episode and read the web comic?
Posted by: Tomcat Nov 2 2006, 12:41 PM
QUOTE (Agent42 @ Nov 2 2006, 02:49 AM)

He's obviously linked to DL and Nikki, as it was his henchman that DL was with who were transporting the $2-mil in bribe money for the flying Congressman. Ikkin offed the henchman, buried them in the desert and hid the money.
I think Linderman framed DL for the murders to get rid of him and then used his wife (Nikki) as a prostitute to add insult to injury. He seems to know a lot of things about a lot of people, but is only interested in advancing his agenda in DC (having a Congressman in his pocket). I'm thinking given his dealings and interests he's probably mafia.
Huh? Like Thik said, did you read the comic? If not, I suggest you do so, it's pretty clear. Also, Nathan never says anything about how the money was supposed to come to him. He goes to Vegas to
get the money.
Seriously man, you might want to check out the comic if you haven't already. If you have, you might want to check it again

Tom
Posted by: harley Nov 3 2006, 08:02 AM
I watched the first episode again. It is pretty funny when Peter comes in to tell Nathan he can fly. Nathan is on the phone. To Mr Linderman. Pretty funny they would introduce him in such a small way.
Posted by: Go! Go! Hiro! Nov 5 2006, 05:48 PM
QUOTE (harley @ Nov 3 2006, 11:02 AM)

I watched the first episode again. It is pretty funny when Peter comes in to tell Nathan he can fly. Nathan is on the phone. To Mr Linderman. Pretty funny they would introduce him in such a small way.
Yeah, But I can't wait to finally SEE what this guy looks like. They sure have talked about him enough.
Posted by: Nocterayne Nov 6 2006, 10:36 PM
I'd like to know what he looks like too. We might not have to wait long though! Kinda feels like Peter might feel like taking a trip down to Vegas. And of course.. Mr Linderman has to have the crucial painting.
Posted by: Insect Eye Nov 7 2006, 02:03 PM
QUOTE (hiroismyhero @ Nov 1 2006, 09:52 PM)

no he is HRG
I think you and chevyjock are on the right track. It would be an easy way for Mr. "HRG" Bennett to keep a close watch on the heroes and monitor their development. I agree that he and Lender-man are the same person or are in league somehow.
Posted by: vichnaiev Nov 8 2006, 05:17 AM
QUOTE (hiroismyhero @ Nov 2 2006, 02:52 AM)

no he is HRG
Linderman is NOT HRG. If he was, Nathan would have recognized him when he was kidnaped by him, and he clearly didn't.
Posted by: Micah Jackssah Nov 8 2006, 04:06 AM
QUOTE (Insect Eye @ Nov 7 2006, 07:03 PM)

I think you and chevyjock are on the right track. It would be an easy way for Mr. "HRG" Bennett to keep a close watch on the heroes and monitor their development. I agree that he and Lender-man are the same person or are in league somehow.
Hmmm... I'm not that sure... it's hard to believe that HRG (living in Odessa, TX) and Mr Lindermann (living in Las Vegas, CA) are the same guy.
Perhaps he have a superpower too, and can be in both places... superspeed maybe. But this is not what I believe.
Posted by: Insect Eye Nov 8 2006, 08:43 AM
QUOTE (vichnaiev @ Nov 8 2006, 08:17 AM)

Linderman is NOT HRG. If he was, Nathan would have recognized him when he was kidnaped by him, and he clearly didn't.
I talked about it with some other people, and I do agree that they can't be the same person. Has Petrelli seen Linderman or it it simply a phone acquaintance, a shadow figure?
Linderman would be useful to HRG, though. At this point enough of the "Heroes" are tied to him somehow.
Side thought: I wonder if Yamagato Software will somehow be tied into the corruption plot? It'd be interesting to see who Professor Suresh developed his software with... unlikely he did it all himself!
Posted by: Micah Jackssah Nov 9 2006, 10:17 AM
QUOTE (Micah Jackssah @ Nov 8 2006, 09:06 AM)

Hmmm... I'm not that sure... it's hard to believe that HRG (living in Odessa, TX) and Mr Lindermann (living in Las Vegas, CA) are the same guy.
Perhaps he have a superpower too, and can be in both places... superspeed maybe. But this is not what I believe.
I watched again the 7 eps... Must confess that my theory is weak... BUT I still belive HRG and Lindermann are not the same guy... Whether they work together or not is another question.
In the first episode, HRG receives a call while visiting Chandra's appartment. That was Lindermann?
Posted by: Faramir Nov 10 2006, 09:14 AM
QUOTE (hiroismyhero @ Nov 1 2006, 08:52 PM)

no he is HRG
I think Linderman must be financing whatever HRG is trying to do, but I don't think they could be the same person. Linderman seems to be well known (the journalist seemed to be aware of him), which would make it difficult for HRG to be Linderman.
Posted by: annisa Nov 10 2006, 12:39 PM
QUOTE (Micah Jackssah @ Nov 8 2006, 07:06 AM)

Hmmm... I'm not that sure... it's hard to believe that HRG (living in Odessa, TX) and Mr Lindermann (living in Las Vegas, CA) are the same guy.
I agree that they are not the same person but I disagree with Las Vegas' state location.

Las Vegas is in Nevada.
Posted by: TidalSpiral Nov 28 2006, 12:23 PM
Linderman is not HRG. HRG had Isaac and the paintings in an attempt to find out what the last painting showed so he could save Claire - perhaps he got Linderman to help him get the paintings through funding. However Simone managed to get back the painting in question from Linderman so HRG wouldn't have given it up... unless he was hoping Sylar would kill Claire but let's not get into that quite yet.
Posted by: PurgatoriX Nov 28 2006, 01:15 PM
I agree that HRG & Linderman can not be the same man, as they seem to have completely different interests. It is also possible that Linderman may not know about any of these abilities; he may just be a very well-connected mob boss. His connection to the Petrellis is obvious now, as is his connection to Nikki & DL, but I've yet to see if he's connected with any of the other heroes... unless I've forgotten a link somewhere (quite possible
) I can't wait to see him revealed!
Posted by: Gemini6Ice Nov 28 2006, 01:55 PM
Why does he go from trying to off Nathan to wanting him to win the congressional election?
I suspect, if he IS financing HRG's operation, that the driver of the SUV reporting back what happened. This would explain also how HRG and the Haitian knew what hotel room he was in and how they got through hotel security to kidnap him.
Posted by: Heroes Revealed Nov 29 2006, 06:24 PM
QUOTE (Nocterayne @ Nov 7 2006, 01:36 AM)

I'd like to know what he looks like too. We might not have to wait long though! Kinda feels like Peter might feel like taking a trip down to Vegas. And of course.. Mr Linderman has to have the crucial painting.
I'm pretty sure about http://www.heroesrevealed.com/cast/ecclestone-for-linderman/. Because, he's already signed and we are pretty sure(!) he's not going to be Sylar

Zachary is great for Sylar.
Posted by: ejj1955 Dec 1 2006, 05:41 PM
QUOTE (Micah Jackssah @ Nov 8 2006, 07:06 AM)

Hmmm... I'm not that sure... it's hard to believe that HRG (living in Odessa, TX) and Mr Lindermann (living in Las Vegas, CA) are the same guy.
Perhaps he have a superpower too, and can be in both places... superspeed maybe. But this is not what I believe.
Um . . . not to be a jerk, but Las Vegas is in Nevada, not California.
Posted by: falcotron Dec 2 2006, 04:20 AM
I think Linderman is just a mafia don, with lots of political and financial connections, but nothing to do with HRG or Sylar. He doesn't seem to (knowingly) employ anyone with superpowers.
One supervillain is worth dozens of goons. And wouldn't someone like Eden be more useful as a #2 than Ms. Sakamoto?
By the way, does anyone else think Linderman is an odd name for a mobster? An Irish or Jewish or Polish mobster is always a nice break from the usual Italian stereotype--but Linderman looks like an early-American anglicization of a German name, which may be stretching things too far.
Anyway, since it's been leaked that Linderman is played by a canine actor, we know that he's actually Mr. Muggles. Unless he's that as-yet-unseen dog that almost bit off Claire's hand at the park. Or perhaps he's Chevy Chase, reincarnated as a dog to solve his last mystery, as so many dogs are.
QUOTE (ejj1955 @ Dec 1 2006, 05:41 PM)

Um . . . not to be a jerk, but Las Vegas is in Nevada, not California.
But in GTA:SA, it's just east of SF; you can see it from the top of the Big Pointy Building!
Posted by: Dr G Thang Dec 2 2006, 04:12 PM
QUOTE (CraigB @ Nov 2 2006, 12:27 AM)

What's this guy's deal? Talk about Mr. Linderman here.
How bout Linderman as Claire's true father? Would be quite a twist, but he payed alot of money for the painting Nathan destroyed, that Peter needed to see. Then again, Linderman was a client of Peter and Nathan's father. So it could just be that for some reason, Linderman wants Sylar to kill heroes..very interesting..
QUOTE (falcotron @ Dec 2 2006, 12:20 PM)

I think Linderman is just a mafia don, with lots of political and financial connections, but nothing to do with HRG or Sylar. He doesn't seem to (knowingly) employ anyone with superpowers.
One supervillain is worth dozens of goons. And wouldn't someone like Eden be more useful as a #2 than Ms. Sakamoto?
By the way, does anyone else think Linderman is an odd name for a mobster? An Irish or Jewish or Polish mobster is always a nice break from the usual Italian stereotype--but Linderman looks like an early-American anglicization of a German name, which may be stretching things too far.
Anyway, since it's been leaked that Linderman is played by a canine actor, we know that he's actually Mr. Muggles. Unless he's that as-yet-unseen dog that almost bit off Claire's hand at the park. Or perhaps he's Chevy Chase, reincarnated as a dog to solve his last mystery, as so many dogs are.
But in GTA:SA, it's just east of SF; you can see it from the top of the Big Pointy Building!
Where was that leaked? Kinda funny though, in a Men In Black kinda way..
Posted by: falcotron Dec 2 2006, 04:45 PM
QUOTE (Dr G Thang @ Dec 2 2006, 04:12 PM)

Where was that leaked? Kinda funny though, in a Men In Black kinda way..
The canine actor story was leaked from my own brain; I was just joking about the successive stories leaked over the past few months about three different actors for the same part.
It seems pretty likely that Christopher Eccleston is going to be Linderman. But, if he gets hit by a bus, I think the backup plan is still to use Chevy Chase's voice in Benji's body.
Posted by: Enohp Dec 5 2006, 01:30 PM
but anyway, what if that invisble guy (i dont remember the actors name but i think its that Christopher Eccleston...) turns out to be linderman, then we would know why we havent seen him yet
Posted by: No_I'm_Peter Dec 6 2006, 01:47 PM
I think Lindermann and ulruu are the same person
Posted by: Enohp Dec 6 2006, 01:56 PM
linderman is a mobster, not a rock monster
Posted by: falcotron Dec 6 2006, 06:29 PM
QUOTE (Enohp @ Dec 6 2006, 01:56 PM)

linderman is a mobster, not a rock monster
Rock mobster! Down, down, down... </B-52s>
Posted by: torourkeus Dec 6 2006, 07:31 PM
So tell me what you think about this. Mr. Linderman is the secret ultimate bad guy. HRG is unknowingly part of his plan. He also may hope to use Nathan and his connections in the future. Hear me out:
(1.) He is obviously connected to people.
---(a.) He bribed/blackmailed Nathan.
---(b.) He was interested in Issac's painting.
---(c.) He is linked to Niki and D.L. in L.A.
(2.) This would explain HRG's neutral morality. We don't quite know if he is the good guy or the bad guy. Perhaps because he doesn't know yet.
(3.) If HRG is his guy, it would explain why the mysterious person he was on the phone with did not want Sylar to be killed.
(4.) Nathan was the only one allowed to escape. As far as we know, nobody else has been able to use their powers around HRG and the Haitian. This would be related to his future plans for Nathan. It would also explain why he is so willing to pay Nathan $4 Million dollars and why Nathan wins by a landslide.
(5.) The curious look Nathan appears to give Peter in Peter's empathic dream about being Nuclear.
Posted by: Enohp Dec 7 2006, 12:55 PM
QUOTE (torourkeus @ Dec 6 2006, 10:31 PM)

(3.) If HRG is his guy, it would explain why the mysterious person he was on the phone with did not want Sylar to be killed.
oh yeah, i totally forgot about HRG on the phone, i guess we dont know who he was talking to
Posted by: the9thwonderisme Dec 7 2006, 03:30 PM
Mr.linderman is definately evil..everyone associated with him is evil. nikki borrowed money but her alter ego jessica is borrowing money from him, nathan seems to be turing evil through working with linderman and simone is definately gonna take a turn for evil she was able to sell one of issacs paintings to mr. liderman. I dont think hrg is linderman but I think he works for him secretly.Linderman is definately controlling all of these heroes some how hes the main source.
Posted by: blueicesjt Dec 7 2006, 08:42 PM
I actually don't think Linderman and Bennett are working together. I think Bennett works for some type of super secret government agency. Not sure why his guy the Haitian has the same half helix symbol that Nikki has on her back when Jessica is in control. Also the same symbol that Issac did a bunch of paintings of. AND also the same symbol that we saw scrolling in the matrix-like code in Papa Suresh's computer that Mohinder found.
My guess is that while Linderman is a mafia type of character, Bennett is actually researching the Heroes found on Chandra Suresh's list. I wouldn't be surprised if Chandra actually cooperated with Bennett and his organization after he realized what a threat Sylar posed.
Posted by: torourkeus Dec 8 2006, 01:21 AM
QUOTE (blueicesjt @ Dec 7 2006, 11:42 PM)

I actually don't think Linderman and Bennett are working together. I think Bennett works for some type of super secret government agency. Not sure why his guy the Haitian has the same half helix symbol that Nikki has on her back when Jessica is in control. Also the same symbol that Issac did a bunch of paintings of. AND also the same symbol that we saw scrolling in the matrix-like code in Papa Suresh's computer that Mohinder found.
My guess is that while Linderman is a mafia type of character, Bennett is actually researching the Heroes found on Chandra Suresh's list. I wouldn't be surprised if Chandra actually cooperated with Bennett and his organization after he realized what a threat Sylar posed.
With the connections that he seems to have with more and more people I think it's hard to believe that he's just a Mafia Don. Plus, HRG working for the government would be kind of obvious - hence my feeling that he's not. Although he may think he is, who knows.
Posted by: Umbrax Dec 12 2006, 03:10 PM
You guys think Linderman might be Peter and Nathan's father?
Do we know if Nathan has had direct face to face contact? I know he phoned him but he could have only talked to a rep of Linderman.
Linderman could of been living a double life as a mobster and as the brother's father. Then he faked his death because he knew that his son was going to prosecute him.
Posted by: Enohp Dec 14 2006, 01:58 PM
maybe linderman was a plot device to hook up niki/dl and niki/nathan...
posibility
Posted by: kitty Dec 14 2006, 02:36 PM
My personal theory; Linderman is HRG's boss... Linderman is Danny DeVito
Posted by: Enohp Dec 15 2006, 12:01 PM
if linderman waas danny devito, i would be very disappointed.
Posted by: lord peril Dec 15 2006, 09:16 PM
I think that there is only a slim chance that Linderman is HRG's boss.
Even if he was, HRG had to have been in the government before working for Linderman. I get that creepy vibe you get when there is a "law enforcement? officer" behind you from HRG.
I will go with Linderman being aware of the changes either by first hand knowledgd, or personal experience. I wouldn't make him ability challenged just yet. You don't get where he is being just average.
Posted by: darkbladeurath Jan 2 2007, 01:06 PM
QUOTE (Umbrax @ Dec 12 2006, 06:10 PM)

You guys think Linderman might be Peter and Nathan's father?
Do we know if Nathan has had direct face to face contact? I know he phoned him but he could have only talked to a rep of Linderman.
Linderman could of been living a double life as a mobster and as the brother's father. Then he faked his death because he knew that his son was going to prosecute him.
i agree that mr. petrelli faked his death and is still alive (i think he is/may become uluru.) but mr. petrelli and linderman were business partners, not one in the same.
Posted by: Tiak Jan 4 2007, 01:43 PM
QUOTE (Umbrax @ Dec 12 2006, 03:10 PM)

You guys think Linderman might be Peter and Nathan's father?
Do we know if Nathan has had direct face to face contact? I know he phoned him but he could have only talked to a rep of Linderman.
Linderman could of been living a double life as a mobster and as the brother's father. Then he faked his death because he knew that his son was going to prosecute him.
Well, in that case, why would he imply that he frequently made deals with his other self? I mean it was implied that taking down Linderman would hurt their father, but that they were two distinct people, so I think it unlikely. I think Linderman fits in better as a mobster who dealt with the Petrelli's father frequently, and they would know from their childhoods, which would explain how Peter would be able to testify against him, seeing him do stuff when he was a kid...
Unless of course the Petrelli's father's power was making multiples of himself or shapeshifting... Which is entirely possible, I find it doubtful that neither of his children would catch on despite having interactions with Linderman. Plus, in order to prosecute someone, one would think several things are necisary, including a place of residence, and one's credentials as a real person, drivers license number, etc. Both a drivers license/DMV profile thing a district atorney would look at, and a testimony require to see someone's face the majority of the time.
That and if I remember right, the Petrelli's father died of a heart problem, not the easiest death to fake.
Posted by: Sac Valley Dweller 00 Jan 22 2007, 11:51 PM
new thread at http://www.9thwonders.com/boards/index.php?showtopic=49522&st=0&gopid=140051&#entry140051 discussing the linderman as well
All these Linderman conections, good grief! I mean look:
1) The Sanders-Hawkins family
2) The Petrelii's
3) Simone
4) And Now Hiro's Katana!
makes your head spin
Posted by: AmiLouise Jan 23 2007, 12:03 AM
QUOTE (Tiak @ Jan 4 2007, 01:43 PM)

...if I remember right, the Petrelli's father died of a heart problem, not the easiest death to fake.
Actually, Papa Petrelli killed himself, as revealed by Mama Petrelli to Peter. She said that Papa suffered from a mental illness that consisted of delusions of grandeur.
Posted by: blazore Jan 23 2007, 12:05 AM
QUOTE (AmiLouise @ Jan 23 2007, 02:03 AM)

Actually, Papa Petrelli killed himself, as revealed by Mama Petrelli to Peter. She said that Papa suffered from a mental illness that consisted of delusions of grandeur.
it definitly seems possible that peter's father is linderman especially since they never showed the petrelli's at a funeral and that their making he petrelli's so important to the story line

, another thing i was thinking about is could linderman be H.R.G's boss the one who wants to keep sylar alive?
Posted by: blazore Jan 23 2007, 12:09 AM
sry bout the bouble post meant to edit my last one, anyway..
Since they havent shown linderman couldnt H.R.G. be using linderman as an alias and controlling all of this from the comfort of his home? i mean have they really made it a fact that the characters have come face to face with linderman yet?
again lol thinking about it why does linderman want to ruin Nathan's rep with the video of him and niki.
Posted by: AmiLouise Jan 23 2007, 12:19 AM
QUOTE (blazore @ Jan 23 2007, 12:05 AM)

it definitly seems possible that peter's father is linderman especially since they never showed the petrelli's at a funeral and that their making he petrelli's so important to the story line

, another thing i was thinking about is could linderman be H.R.G's boss the one who wants to keep sylar alive?

I'm not going to say anything is impossible, because it'll come back to bite me in the doughnut, but I will say that I doubt that Linderman is Peter and Nathan's father. I have been wrong in the past, though, and I agree that there is slim evidence to prove your theory wrong.
I do, however, see it as possible that Linderman is HRG's boss. Would make sense.
Posted by: BigPapa Jan 23 2007, 04:43 AM
QUOTE (Sac Valley Dweller 00 @ Jan 23 2007, 02:51 AM)

new thread at http://www.9thwonders.com/boards/index.php?showtopic=49522&st=0&gopid=140051&#entry140051 discussing the linderman as well
All these Linderman conections, good grief! I mean look:
1) The Sanders-Hawkins family
2) The Petrelii's
3) Simone
4)
And Now Hiro's Katana!
makes your head spin

Yes! I'm dying to find out who he is!
Posted by: AeonsAgo Jan 23 2007, 04:46 AM
We have not seen the actor that plays Linderman yet.
I'm reading reports that it will be Eric Roberts cast as him.
Posted by: BigPapa Jan 23 2007, 05:02 AM
What is certain is that Linderman is tied directly/indirectly to several of the heroes (Niki, DL, Micah, Nathan, Simone, Isaac, Hiro) and in every instance, he exercises some influence over them (using his power = money or muscle).
It's diabolically interesting that he used Niki to get to Nathan. It's also interesting that HRG was around to collect Nathan after that particular encounter (with Niki and Jessica).
Linderman seems to be everywhere!
Posted by: torourkeus Jan 23 2007, 07:12 AM
An update of my previous theory, that Lindenmann is the "Big Bad" of this season with HRG underneith him:
(1.) He is obviously connected to people.
---(a.) He bribed/blackmailed Nathan.
---(b.) He was interested in Issac's painting.
---(c.) He is linked to Niki and D.L. in L.A.
---(d.) He has Hiro's katana.
(2.) This would explain HRG's "neutral good" morality. He may think he's doing good while being manipulated by Lindenmann.
(3.) I think it is unlikely that HRG actually is Lindenmann for the following reasons:
---(a.) Lindenmann lives in Vegas while HRG lives in Texas.
---(b.) Nathan was going to PROSECUTE Lindenmann. It is most likely that he has an idea what Lindenmann looks like, and Nathan also came in direct contact with HRG.
(3.) If HRG is Lindenmann's man on the inside, it would explain why the mysterious person he was on the phone with did not want Sylar to be killed.
(4.) His plans for Nathan:
---(a.) Nathan was the only one allowed to escape.
---(b.) As far as we know, nobody else has been able to use their powers around HRG and the Haitian.
---(c.) It would also explain why he is so willing to pay Nathan $4 Million dollars and why Nathan wins by a landslide.
(5.) There is no evidence thus far that HRG works for the government. In fact more and more the clues seem to indicate that he doesn't. In the web comics he claims to work for a government agency a couple of times but then he disavowels all knowledge when the new hero gets caught in the most recent comics. Other than wearing a suit and carrying around an air of superiority, HRG is just an average tool.
(6.) I find it highly unlikely that Lindenmann is the Petrelli's father.
---(a.) Nathan was going to prosecute Lindenmann, so I assume he knows what he looks like.
---(b.) There are references to "deals" between the two. Hard to have a deal if the two are the same.
(7.) I do think, however, that the Petrelli's father is a hero that will show up.
---(a.) Killed himself because of "delusions of grandier". (Although he may not actually be dead)
---(b.) Dealings with Lindenmann.
---(c.) The fact that 2 kids have powers.
Posted by: richual Jan 24 2007, 12:25 PM
I bet Linderman has powers too He's a ShapeShifter WATCH you'll see lol
Posted by: Domo Crocodile Jan 26 2007, 08:24 AM
I think Linderman is prolly somebody we already know: an alias, kinda like Sylar is an alias for Gabriel Grey.
There are a few possibilities:
Chandra Suresh, Mohinders father: he had a list, the same list HRG is after...the same list Mohinder has obtained.
The Haitian: Remember, Linderman is still not revealed, the Haitians real name is also a mystery. Not all that far fetched as you'd think.
Future Hiro: It could be, simply because HRG has made NO attempt yet to control Hiro Nakamura's powers. Hiro is a comic collecter...Linderman collects Isaacs paintings via Simone. Could it be that Hiro has turned evil in an alternate reality?
HERE COMES THE LONG SHOT:
Peter Petrelli's FUTURE SELF.
Maybe Peter turned evil and somehow borrowed Hiro Nakamura's power to go back in time.
Posted by: wolfbro7 Jan 28 2007, 12:39 AM
QUOTE (blazore @ Jan 23 2007, 02:09 AM)

thinking about it why does linderman want to ruin Nathan's rep with the video of him and niki.

Simple, Linderman wanted the upper hand in the relationship with their family again, but it backfired, at least so far. I do think Linderman is "running the show", ie, HRG is reporting to him. How that will play out should be fun to watch.
Posted by: wolfbro7 Jan 28 2007, 12:50 AM
[quote name='Domo Crocodile' date='Jan 26 2007, 10:24 AM' post='143309']
I think Linderman is prolly somebody we already know: an alias, kinda like Sylar is an alias for Gabriel Grey.
Highly unlikely for reasons shown by torourkeus's previous post (excellent break down of the situation, btw)
Also, in the cast commentary, they mentioned something about not revealing who the actor to play Linderman or hasn't been revealed to them yet, IIRC
Posted by: kitty Jan 28 2007, 01:29 AM
I like the theory someone made that Linderman is a shapeshifter!
Posted by: bobo71091 Jan 28 2007, 08:44 AM
Heroes Exclusive: Eric Roberts Joins Cast! Here's some http://www.tvguide.com/tvshows/heroes/281246 scoop to tide you over until tonight's hugely anticipated winter premiere: Multiple unnamed sources confirm that http://www.tvguide.com/detail/celebrity.aspx?tvobjectid=149471 is joining the cast as an associate of H.R.G.'s. He'll first air in the thick of February sweeps.
I'll have more scoopy poop on Heroes in this week's Ask Ausiello, so clear your skeds.
~I'm guessing that he will be Linderman since he looks old enough...
Posted by: Mr. Bennet Jan 28 2007, 09:40 AM
QUOTE (bobo71091 @ Jan 28 2007, 04:44 PM)

Heroes Exclusive: Eric Roberts Joins Cast! Here's some http://www.tvguide.com/tvshows/heroes/281246 scoop to tide you over until tonight's hugely anticipated winter premiere: Multiple unnamed sources confirm that http://www.tvguide.com/detail/celebrity.aspx?tvobjectid=149471 is joining the cast as an associate of H.R.G.'s. He'll first air in the thick of February sweeps.
I'll have more scoopy poop on Heroes in this week's Ask Ausiello, so clear your skeds.
~I'm guessing that he will be Linderman since he looks old enough...
Wasn't it said that Eric Roberts is playing Thompson?
Posted by: Coffee Jan 30 2007, 06:36 AM
Something that bothers me is that there's not any true villain. Sylar is genuinely evil, but his evil springs from his madness. There's doesn't really seem to be any greater scheme that Sylar follows.
Linderman, however, does seem to have something on just about everyone. And if he is the boss of HRG, he would effectively have something on Claire and the Haitian as well.
We know Linderman is a mob boss. But he hasn't acctually hurt anyone of the heroes, yet. And we know Hiro will get the sword? Hiro himself will have some issues stealing the sword without his powers from a reputable mob boss with a private collection like the one he's keeping. Perhaps the sword will acctually be presented to Hiro as a gift?
Just some thoughts that crossed my mind, at least.
Posted by: wolfbro7 Jan 30 2007, 09:01 AM
QUOTE (Mr. Bennet @ Jan 28 2007, 11:40 AM)

Wasn't it said that Eric Roberts is playing Thompson?
That's what I thought too. Here is part of an interview with Tim Kring
The mysterious, unseen mobster Linderman is growing in importance. Hiro and Ando are headed to Las Vegas to find him, and we know he has connections to Niki, D.L., Simone and Nathan. Will we see him soon? He will continue to grow as a force and
be revealed after February. The casting on this one is tricky. We've already built such a huge aura around Linderman that we don't want to disappoint, yet it could be cheesy to suddenly see a big-name star in the role. This isn't that kind of show.
http://www.tvguide.com/Magazine/Cover-Story/
Eric Roberts is joining in Feburary, right? Also this puts another nail in the coffin that Linderman is Claire's real dad, from the same interview Tim says she will meet him in Feburary (our time, not Heroes time, lol)
Maybe Roberts will play her real dad?
Posted by: Hoolame Jan 30 2007, 08:59 AM
This is my first post and I don't follow MB's nor do I track Hollywood Insider at all so I may be off here:
Is it possible that Hiro's father is Linderman...powerful, has henchman do some kidnapping, etc. Seems a little far-fetched I know.
However, that would probably rule out Linderman as Clarie's bio-dad and that seems like a definite possibility as well.
Now I want to know what Mr. Sulu's special power is? Warp speed I think!
Posted by: HERΟ Jan 30 2007, 12:43 PM
From SPOILERISH info http://preview.eonline.com/gossip/kristin/blog/index.jsp?uuid=78281de3-961c-4f29-8d5d-e8b340a9aeb7.
htr
Something tells me Eric Roberts is playing Linderman. Call it a hunch.
Posted by: wolfbro7 Jan 31 2007, 07:10 AM
I read that link but it contradicts what Tim Kring said along with when Roberts is joining the show, hmmm. Well, we shall all find out soon enough. 
Edit @ 11:10am 01/31/07: From TVGuide scoop
Question: I think Anthony Stewart Head would make a fantastic Linderman on Heroes.— Nancy Wike
Ausiello: Don't tell that to Malcolm McDowell, 'cause I'm pretty sure he just landed the part.
http://www.tvguide.com/News-Views/Columnists/Ask-Ausiello/default.aspx
Posted by: HERΟ Jan 31 2007, 09:22 AM
QUOTE (wolfbro7 @ Jan 31 2007, 03:10 PM)

I read that link but it contradicts what Tim Kring said along with when Roberts is joining the show, hmmm. Well, we shall all find out soon enough.

Edit @ 11:10am 01/31/07: From TVGuide scoop
Question: I think Anthony Stewart Head would make a fantastic Linderman on Heroes.— Nancy Wike
Ausiello: Don't tell that to Malcolm McDowell, 'cause I'm pretty sure he just landed the part.
http://www.tvguide.com/News-Views/Columnists/Ask-Ausiello/default.aspx
So either Kristin or Ausiello is wrong...
Posted by: the9thwonderisme Feb 2 2007, 11:09 PM
mr.linderman is evil and a villan on the dark side he is completely against the heroes. He knows they exsist but he doesnt have any powers himself. He continuously does things to drive them apart and make there lives harder. He into what nathan is doing as a politician he gave nikki money and is blackmailing her, he almost had hiro and ando killed in that poker game but they got up and went to the bathroom before jessica could kill them and he is buying or taking issacs paintings from simone. Simone works for linderman I look at her as his eyes and ears she is issacs girlfriend and she is taking these prediction paintings and giving them to linderman so he can stay 1 step ahead of the heroes every move and know what they are gonna do next. He was ahead of hiro by taking the sword out of the musem that he already knew ahead of time hiro was gonna come to the museum and look for it throught the paintings issac is making and simone is giving to him. I also beleive mr.lindermans character will not be revealed until next season more stories in the plot line have to be developed we kinds have to be leaned towards him he wont just pop up in the middle of the season. Were gonna be left with some kind of cliffhanger at the end of the season that will set us up to see mr.linderman for the first time.
Posted by: mizzpink Feb 6 2007, 02:50 PM
QUOTE (hiroismyhero @ Nov 1 2006, 09:52 PM)

no he is HRG
when will we see the real Linderman? i wanna know!
Posted by: Go! Go! Hiro! Feb 6 2007, 03:28 PM
QUOTE (the9thwonderisme @ Feb 3 2007, 02:09 AM)

mr.linderman is evil and a villan on the dark side he is completely against the heroes. He knows they exsist but he doesnt have any powers himself. He continuously does things to drive them apart and make there lives harder. He into what nathan is doing as a politician he gave nikki money and is blackmailing her, he almost had hiro and ando killed in that poker game but they got up and went to the bathroom before jessica could kill them and he is buying or taking issacs paintings from simone. Simone works for linderman I look at her as his eyes and ears she is issacs girlfriend and she is taking these prediction paintings and giving them to linderman so he can stay 1 step ahead of the heroes every move and know what they are gonna do next. He was ahead of hiro by taking the sword out of the musem that he already knew ahead of time hiro was gonna come to the museum and look for it throught the paintings issac is making and simone is giving to him. I also beleive mr.lindermans character will not be revealed until next season more stories in the plot line have to be developed we kinds have to be leaned towards him he wont just pop up in the middle of the season. Were gonna be left with some kind of cliffhanger at the end of the season that will set us up to see mr.linderman for the first time.
I think this a VERY good theory BUT do you really think the writers would go that far? I mean wouldn't be crazy if when everybody finally faces off with linderman that he said he did everything you just said. I'DE LOVE TO SEE THAT!!!
Posted by: rev_otter Feb 8 2007, 07:26 PM
The Linderman character is too important to not be a part of this season. Linderman is one of the key characters, and I believe he is the benefactor and HRG's "boss". Linderman is into collecting favors. So far DL, Nathan, and Nikkica (my own name for the Niki/Jessica character). Hmmmm I guess we will just have to wait an see what happens next.
Posted by: Sheshenina Feb 9 2007, 05:54 PM
Hi ppl, i have watched the show twice already and have though a lot about WHO IS THIS GUY?
- this theory came up after a conversation with a friend of mine who has also watched the show and read amny stuff about it:
acctually at my point of view there are 4 candidates:
Peter-Nathan Father
Mr Suresh Father
Hiro
and Peter himself
all of these would connect to it, but the one who does the most is PETER for sure! HOW?
simple, he absorved Hiro's power and went back on time and is rewritting it as his will (acctually seems to me more like a chess game, which very smart moves on the table), we cant tell for sure if he became evil or not, but is clear that Linderman is controlling the whole plot and Peter is the main character of this season...
we have many reasons to belive Peter is Mr.Linderman, but just to say one which makes him a better candidate than Hiro: Mr. Linderman helped Peter/Nathan's Father and is also "helping" Nathan at his election.
Posted by: wolfbro7 Feb 10 2007, 05:50 PM
QUOTE (the9thwonderisme @ Feb 3 2007, 01:09 AM)

he gave Niki money and is blackmailing her, he almost had hiro and ando killed in that poker game but they got up and went to the bathroom before jessica could kill them and he is buying or taking issacs paintings from simone. Simone works for linderman I look at her as his eyes and ears she is issacs girlfriend and she is taking these prediction paintings and giving them to linderman so he can stay 1 step ahead of the heroes every move and know what they are gonna do next. He was ahead of hiro by taking the sword out of the musem that he already knew ahead of time hiro was gonna come to the museum and look for it throught the paintings Isaac is making and simone is giving to him. I also beleive mr.lindermans character will not be revealed until next season more stories in the plot line have to be developed we kinds have to be leaned towards him he wont just pop up in the middle of the season. Were gonna be left with some kind of cliffhanger at the end of the season that will set us up to see mr.linderman for the first time.
I'm pretty sure Niki/Jessica had no idea Hiro and Ando were at the poker game, she just went there to take care of some loose ends so DL wouldn't figure out that she set him up. Remember, those were the people DL was looking for, they laundered the stolen money.
Simone being the eyes and ears, hmmm, not a bad theory.
In an interview a few weeks ago, Tim Kring said Linderman would be revealed
this season, in March, and the speculation is that he will be played by Malcolm McDowell, who has signed onto the show.
Posted by: Panda Nation Feb 13 2007, 05:17 PM
QUOTE (the9thwonderisme @ Feb 2 2007, 11:09 PM)

mr.linderman is evil and a villan on the dark side he is completely against the heroes. He knows they exsist but he doesnt have any powers himself. He continuously does things to drive them apart and make there lives harder. He into what nathan is doing as a politician he gave Niki money and is blackmailing her, he almost had hiro and ando killed in that poker game but they got up and went to the bathroom before jessica could kill them and he is buying or taking issacs paintings from simone. Simone works for linderman I look at her as his eyes and ears she is issacs girlfriend and she is taking these prediction paintings and giving them to linderman so he can stay 1 step ahead of the heroes every move and know what they are gonna do next. He was ahead of hiro by taking the sword out of the musem that he already knew ahead of time hiro was gonna come to the museum and look for it throught the paintings Isaac is making and simone is giving to him. I also beleive mr.lindermans character will not be revealed until next season more stories in the plot line have to be developed we kinds have to be leaned towards him he wont just pop up in the middle of the season. Were gonna be left with some kind of cliffhanger at the end of the season that will set us up to see mr.linderman for the first time.
didn't HRG have a lot of isaac's paintings when he took him in to save claire. HRG and Linderman are definately connected.
Posted by: Zealer Feb 13 2007, 07:25 PM
QUOTE (Panda Nation @ Feb 13 2007, 10:17 PM)

didn't HRG have a lot of isaac's paintings when he took him in to save claire. HRG and Linderman are definately connected.
Those were Isaac's paintings from his apartment(the ones that weren't sold).
Posted by: Xman Feb 14 2007, 01:47 AM
QUOTE (Zealer @ Feb 13 2007, 09:25 PM)

Those were Isaac's paintings from his apartment(the ones that weren't sold).
remember, you don't have to have superpowers to be dangerous.
case in point..lex luther. some would say he was brillant. so is bruce wayne.
linderman power is an oportunist...he know how to play and win. and if he does has powers, then he is hiding them, because the secret agencies would have know.
Posted by: TWK Feb 16 2007, 01:38 AM
I have a feeling Linderman is Peter and Nathan's dad. His "death" is very mysterious. And he was also "linked". But this is just another theory in the 100345940 there already are =)
THE WORM KING
Posted by: wolfbro7 Feb 16 2007, 06:33 AM
QUOTE (TWK @ Feb 16 2007, 03:38 AM)

I have a feeling Linderman is Peter and Nathan's dad. His "death" is very mysterious. And he was also "linked". But this is just another theory in the 100345940 there already are =)
THE WORM KING
Nope, Linderman isn't Daddy. Peter's mom told him she found his father dead in the bathroom as a result of suicide and that the previous "heart attacks" were cover for other attempts. That scene happened in episode 2 when he was recovering in the hospital, IIRC.
Posted by: TWK Feb 16 2007, 04:19 PM
QUOTE (wolfbro7 @ Feb 17 2007, 12:03 AM)

Nope, Linderman isn't Daddy. Peter's mom told him she found his father dead in the bathroom as a result of suicide and that the previous "heart attacks" were cover for other attempts. That scene happened in episode 2 when he was recovering in the hospital, IIRC.
Yes, I know that. But it could have just been a cover up. Peter was the only one who didn't know. I just have an odd feeling he is going to pop out. And as it was said in a different thread, with whats been revealed in "Run", his dad could have had a certain power, and if I had that power, I would constantly attempt to kill myself in hope of dying, living forever doesn't sound too fun.
THE WORM KING
Posted by: wolfbro7 Feb 16 2007, 09:01 PM
QUOTE (TWK @ Feb 16 2007, 06:19 PM)

Yes, I know that. But it could have just been a cover up. Peter was the only one who didn't know. I just have an odd feeling he is going to pop out. And as it was said in a different thread, with whats been revealed in "Run", his dad could have had a certain power, and if I had that power, I would constantly attempt to kill myself in hope of dying, living forever doesn't sound too fun.
THE WORM KING
Which thread was that? There are so many, I can't read them all but I would like to read that theory.
I have a hard time believing that Linderman is the Daddy. Nathan has talked with him several times on the phone. Plus Simone has had numerous dealings with him and she's not the secrect keeping type (watch the previews in the spoiler section).
This is a spoiler, so don't watch it if you don't want to know. It's from the upcoming episode.
http://www.thetvaddict.com/movie3/screeningroom.php
Posted by: TWK Feb 17 2007, 04:07 AM
QUOTE (wolfbro7 @ Feb 17 2007, 02:31 PM)

Which thread was that? There are so many, I can't read them all but I would like to read that theory.
I have a hard time believing that Linderman is the Daddy. Nathan has talked with him several times on the phone. Plus Simone has had numerous dealings with him and she's not the secrect keeping type (watch the previews in the spoiler section).
This is a spoiler, so don't watch it if you don't want to know. It's from the upcoming episode.
http://www.thetvaddict.com/movie3/screeningroom.php
I'm not going to look at that spoiler, but ironicly, I read that thread in the Spoiler section if I remember correctly (sorry, read it at 4am, my mind is kind of all over the place at that time).
My theory is based on another theory, so I wouldn't be suprised if I'm completely wrong.
But I do think Nathan and Peter's dad will make an apperance, if he is not Linderman
THE WORM KING EDIT:
If I find that link, I will PM it to you :thumbsup:
Posted by: guinnessman Feb 18 2007, 02:10 PM
QUOTE (TWK @ Feb 16 2007, 06:19 PM)

Yes, I know that. But it could have just been a cover up. Peter was the only one who didn't know. I just have an odd feeling he is going to pop out. And as it was said in a different thread, with whats been revealed in "Run", his dad could have had a certain power, and if I had that power, I would constantly attempt to kill myself in hope of dying, living forever doesn't sound too fun.
THE WORM KING
I think that Linderman has super powers and he can turn to stone giant. I think we all been seeing him all season in the header at the top of this website.
Posted by: bboyneurotix Feb 20 2007, 04:57 PM
well we'll see next monday
i'm sure matt and ted'll get HRG to spill some ish on Linderman too
i can't wait to see the calm, double faced, backstabbing, creepy looking daddy get cornered for once haha
Posted by: Jasongnc Feb 20 2007, 05:53 PM
QUOTE (guinnessman @ Feb 18 2007, 03:10 PM)

I think that Linderman has super powers and he can turn to stone giant. I think we all been seeing him all season in the header at the top of this website.
Ha Ha, Linderman is Uluruu. There is a theory that would be fun if true.
Posted by: BdRlgn05 Feb 22 2007, 06:08 AM
Linderman needs to be a cold-hearted bad-******. I know he would probably never stoop to doing a tv role, but I've always been hoping that Mr. Linderman would be cast with Mr. Creepy himself Ed Harris. Now, as far as being a bad-******, a person with a tv pedigree could be Kurtwood Smith. Granted, being Red Foreman on "That 70's Show" wasn't the most intimidating character, he will always be Clarence Boddicker from Robocop. We'll see...
Posted by: TheMouth Feb 27 2007, 12:48 PM
Come on, he can't be all that mean of a guy... he looks like frickin Santa Claus for cripes sakes...
But now we know he's not someone we've seen before. I'm with one of the other posts that says he some how knows what's going on. Everything is just WAY too connected to him for the guy to be completely oblivious...
Posted by: Domo Crocodile Feb 27 2007, 01:33 PM
I sure hope McDowell won't portray Linderman as the cliché megalomaniac he is known to be typecasted for.
I want Linderman to be a unique character, and I want him to have a power.
Posted by: opic Feb 27 2007, 03:22 PM
Finally!
We can all see who's the Big Boss!
I cant wait until next episode...
I know he has grey hair, and likes cigars. Perfect, just as i imagined!
Posted by: Xman Feb 27 2007, 07:36 PM
QUOTE (Jasongnc @ Feb 20 2007, 07:53 PM)

Ha Ha, Linderman is Uluruu. There is a theory that would be fun if true.
linderman, he has special abilities which made him a crime lord. but i think he was helped by the invisible guy and feared that he would be killed by bennets people. so inorder to protect himself, he became rich in vagas. this way he can protect himself, and he knows about the other peoples special abilities, why else would he use jes/nikkie bipolar personality to do his dirty work for him. he still protects himself by using others.
Posted by: jim0n Feb 28 2007, 12:54 AM
i don't know if this has been mentioned before, but remember when Bennet confronted the Haitian about him being able to speak and telling Claire the truth? The Haitian replied: "I answer to someone whose instructions supercede yours."
I think it's Linderman. Somehow he learned about Claire, and now the Haitian is taking her to Linderman. Why? So he can use her to influence/blackmail Nathan, hence advancing Nathan's baby-daddy plotline.
Plus, anyone else thinking Linderman is Papa Petrelli? Maybe their mom just told her sons that he's dead, because he's gone to the dark side. I heard something similar happen to one Skywalker family..
Posted by: debkat11 Feb 28 2007, 10:55 AM
Does anyone know yet who is playing Mr. Linderman. We all saw his profile but who is playing him !
Posted by: Domo Crocodile Feb 28 2007, 11:39 AM
QUOTE (debkat11 @ Feb 28 2007, 07:55 PM)

Does anyone know yet who is playing Mr. Linderman. We all saw his profile but who is playing him !
Malcolm McDowell...from Clockwork Orange fame. He is known to be typecasted as megalomanian villians.
I sure hope the Linderman character will be more complex...
Posted by: BennyHill Feb 28 2007, 01:42 PM
QUOTE (Domo Crocodile @ Feb 28 2007, 01:39 PM)

Malcolm McDowell...from Clockwork Orange fame. He is known to be typecasted as megalomanian villians.
I sure hope the Linderman character will be more complex...
I think he will be. I also read a spoiler. Linderman is a superhuman. Remember there is a human and superhuman partnered up. His super power is he a shapeshifter. Can assume anyones looks. That is why we saw a preview of Simone. It is really Linderman changed into Simone,
Posted by: HERΟ Feb 28 2007, 04:43 PM
QUOTE (debkat11 @ Feb 28 2007, 06:55 PM)

Does anyone know yet who is playing Mr. Linderman. We all saw his profile but who is playing him !
Well, AA has repeated that it's MM, but there has been nothing "official"...
Here is the only "official" scoop about Linderman:
http://www.usatoday.com/printedition/life/20070130/d_lline30.art.htm
And there's http://search.console.net/releases.shtml?words=%22malcolm+mcdowell%22&wordsdisplay=%22malcolm+mcdowell%22&config=releases&sort=time&methodr=and&method=and yet, either...
Posted by: jim0n Feb 28 2007, 11:27 PM
Yeah, he's been typecast into such roles unfortunately. Still, he's got a great Evil Voice
Posted by: berserker Mar 2 2007, 06:39 PM
I think Linderman will probably have powers too. Considering all the coincidences we've had (people bumping into each other, Linderman a connection with almost every hero), I think he must have a luck/destiny power. Something that will allow him to see certain paths in the future and alter it. It would tie in perfectly with him being in Las Vegas. I mean: Vegas = gambling/luck. Someone with such a power would make a fortune.
It's theory, but there's a solid ground to base it on.
B
Posted by: Riddick Mar 3 2007, 02:16 PM
Linderman is Bruce Wayne... well a metaphor for Bruce Wayne/Batman. A wannabe superhero who's only real power is financial and political.
Posted by: Jasongnc Mar 5 2007, 09:19 AM
Since he knew how Nathans Political career would be, he is either a time traveler or he can see the future.
Posted by: paintam Mar 5 2007, 07:22 PM
Wow I like mr.lindermen he's cool, evil but nice at the same time.
Posted by: nigel Mar 5 2007, 07:41 PM
I got this odd evil Colonel Sanders feel. I mean its such an awsome twist to my expectations. I mean I thought he would be some bald dude in a big plushy office, but instead an Evil Colonel Sanders. I mean what he said about not getting any pot pie has got to be the greatest reply to anyone before they try to shoot you.
Posted by: IAggrey41 Mar 5 2007, 07:42 PM
Wow, beserker...that actually sounds like a really good theory and I don't think it can be quite refuted just yet while the other ones that have been mentioned so far don't really make any sense.
haha nigel...evil Colonel Sanders..
Posted by: TWK Mar 5 2007, 07:44 PM
WOOO! MY FAVOURITE ACTOR IS MR LINDERMAN!
I hope we see a bit of the old ultra-violence from Mr Linderman and his droogs
Posted by: Domo Crocodile Mar 6 2007, 03:59 AM
So Lindermans superpower is:
*drum roll*
Make really good pot pie! Best. Power. Ever.
Posted by: nigel Mar 6 2007, 04:20 AM
Well it had to be really good, I mean Nathan had a chance to take out one of the baddest gangsters, and did'nt take it. So either it was really good pot pie or the whole evil colonel sanders thing threw him off.
Posted by: Stufsocker Mar 6 2007, 11:41 AM
Mr. Linderman. Oh, the awesomeness displayed in those few moments was truly stunning. Mr. Linderman knows all about the special powers (though it still looks like he doesn’t know about his friend, Hiro [but I’m sure he will when he sees the security tapes from the museum curator’s office]) that have altered the lives of Nathan, Peter, AND Claire AND he knows that Claire is Nathan’s daughter. Was Claude working for Linderman more than OWI? Papa Petrelli was Linderman’s lawyer, but what is their other connection. There has to be something else a little more personal and binding that brought the two together and made Papa Petrelli let Linderman in on the family secrets. So there’s a Petrelli-Linderman Connection, a Nakamura-Deveaux connection… How are the four men tied together in terms of the knowledge of powers and the OWI? Who is working with them and who against them?
Also, I can't help but wonder about Linderman's motives. He hears that Nathan wants to file suit against him, so he tries to kill Nathan. That doesn't work, so he offers Nathan money and a position in congress. Then he tries to have Nathan killed. Again. By Jessica. Then, when Nathan shows u alive and with a gun he offers him a way into the White House? WTF? Make up your mind and stick, man. Unless he's trying to get Nathan to show initiative (despite it being a really messed up way of doing that), he's coming off as a bit schizo, no?
Posted by: Stephanie Mar 6 2007, 04:27 PM
Bleh, nevermind, I decided to make a new thread for my theory.
Does Mr Linderman remind anyone else of Santa Clause?
Posted by: AnimeGoddess Mar 7 2007, 04:10 PM
What's driving me crazy is HOW DOES HE KNOW NATHAN CAN FLY? It's only been 6 months since he manifested... not even his own brother knew before ep 1... at this point only Peter, Hiro, Mohinder, HRG and The Haitian should know.
I can see more people knowing that he's on the list in general (like Sylar, others in the organization, etc.), but it was so specific as to his exact ability -- Nathan's stomach must have dropped through the floor when he heard those words (in the context of the show, of course).
I'm guessing Linderman must be linked deeply into the organization and have access to all the files... but why? How? And now with Angela Petrelli knowing who Claire is this whole time... how deep does this rabbit hole go?
Posted by: TheMsKungfu Mar 7 2007, 04:29 PM
When Mr. Linderman was warning Nathan about trying to kill him, I got the impression that Mr. Linderman had a special power too. Especially when he told Nathan how many people before him had tried and didn't succeed. I don't know, at that moment, I just imagine people getting close enough to try and each time Linderman have like some sort of force field around him and it deflecting their attempts and killing them instead.
But then reality set in and I realized it was all the bodyguards around—he is a mob boss after all—that he was referring to. I felt pretty dumb after that—talk about overreaching.
Also it would kind of make sense if had a power because then maybe the Company would have approached him, which is how he could of found out all this information, and maybe he left like Claude only he created his own little army (the mob
) with all the money he has. I do get the feeling though that though he is a criminal, and most likely interested in those with abilities for his own selfish gains, he may prove to be more helpful than the Company is for our heroes.
But again, I really have no basis for this theory which came out of nowhere, so I am definitely overreaching.
Posted by: JeffED Mar 7 2007, 04:41 PM
QUOTE (AnimeGoddess @ Mar 7 2007, 07:10 PM)

What's driving me crazy is HOW DOES HE KNOW NATHAN CAN FLY? It's only been 6 months since he manifested... not even his own brother knew before ep 1... at this point only Peter, Hiro, Mohinder, HRG and The Haitian should know.
I can see more people knowing that he's on the list in general (like Sylar, others in the organization, etc.), but it was so specific as to his exact ability -- Nathan's stomach must have dropped through the floor when he heard those words (in the context of the show, of course).
I'm guessing Linderman must be linked deeply into the organization and have access to all the files... but why? How? And now with Angela Petrelli knowing who Claire is this whole time... how deep does this rabbit hole go?
Simple, Nathan flew away from Bennet and the Haitian, and Linderman found out somehow
Posted by: Spook Mar 7 2007, 08:28 PM
QUOTE (CraigB @ Nov 1 2006, 06:27 PM)

What's this guy's deal? Talk about Mr. Linderman here.
Posted by: Spook Mar 7 2007, 08:39 PM
My first post:
Linderman runs OWI. Here's why I think so: Linderman is a collector for rare and valuable things. He knows about these people from his relationship with Pappa Petrelli (who may or may not be dead). Anyway, Linderman is a powerful man with a desire to be more powerful...he said one have a meaningful life or a happy life, not both. So Linderman sees these people as special and useful to achieve his ends. OWI is his tool to find and tag them all. I don't think he knows about all the special people, only the ones that OWI has discovered. He doesn't want Sylar killed because Sylar is like the rarest of the rare since i don't think he knows about Peter's abilities.
Go ahead and shoot my theory fulll of holes...I'm in need of some critical comments to help me think.
Posted by: TitanWest Mar 7 2007, 10:40 PM
Linderman seem to fill in the Lex Luthor/Kingpin shoes. He's evil. Why? He had an ex-assistant and two FBI agents killed. He's powerful = intelligent and has a lot of money. He seems like a mere mortal (for now?).
Knowledge is power, and he knows a lot about the heroes. Perhaps besides Isaac Mendezes paintings, it maybe possible that there are other visionaries besides Isaac. He has been collecting other paintings, and perhaps he knows of the "symbol" since he collected the samurai's sword with the symbol on it.
It doesn't seem like he's in cahoots with HRG and the company. Heck, he could be rivals with them. If he's powerful enough, why share the heroes with others when he buy them out.
Posted by: AnimeGoddess Mar 7 2007, 11:18 PM
QUOTE (TitanWest @ Mar 7 2007, 10:40 PM)

Knowledge is power, and he knows a lot about the heroes. Perhaps besides Isaac Mendezes paintings, it maybe possible that there are other visionaries besides Isaac. He has been collecting other paintings, and perhaps he knows of the "symbol" since he collected the samurai's sword with the symbol on it.
It doesn't seem like he's in cahoots with HRG and the company. Heck, he could be rivals with them. If he's powerful enough, why share the heroes with others when he buy them out.
Yeah.. I don't know. At some point this will all be revealed. But it's also driving me nuts how
Simone knew Nathan had an ability, that's never been explained either. I know Linderman is somehow deeply tied in with something to the point that he new about Nathan's exact ability that only 5 other people should know about total. It's possible that he's tied in with OWI/HRG somehow, and that's how he found out. There just has to be some kind of connection there. Everything else is interconnected somehow...
Posted by: Sheshenina Mar 8 2007, 03:01 PM
QUOTE (AnimeGoddess @ Mar 7 2007, 11:18 PM)

Yeah.. I don't know. At some point this will all be revealed. But it's also driving me nuts how Simone knew Nathan had an ability, that's never been explained either. I know Linderman is somehow deeply tied in with something to the point that he new about Nathan's exact ability that only 5 other people should know about total. It's possible that he's tied in with OWI/HRG somehow, and that's how he found out. There just has to be some kind of connection there. Everything else is interconnected somehow...
My theory about this: Mr Linderman = Peter fom the future
Posted by: nigel Mar 11 2007, 05:18 PM
QUOTE (berserker @ Mar 2 2007, 09:39 PM)

I think Linderman will probably have powers too. Considering all the coincidences we've had (people bumping into each other, Linderman a connection with almost every hero), I think he must have a luck/destiny power. Something that will allow him to see certain paths in the future and alter it. It would tie in perfectly with him being in Las Vegas. I mean: Vegas = gambling/luck. Someone with such a power would make a fortune.
You know, did'nt at the beginning of the episode they say that we will see who started it all? I might be remembering things freakily, but if they did and Linderman does have a destiny power maybe he was the first and he manipulated destiny, for some unknown reason, and created the rest.
Posted by: BossGoon Mar 14 2007, 11:07 AM
Linderman reminds me of the guy in the Matrix the Architect
Posted by: parallel Mar 14 2007, 12:27 PM
Linderman for some reason puts me at ease. When you hear him he sounds gentler and more sophisticated in tone than you would think(at least for me anyway). This makes him dangerous because if you didn't know from previous episodes what he has done, you would be smiling as he had concrete blocks tied to your feet and was having his thugs trow you into a river
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Posted by: IvyB Mar 14 2007, 02:00 PM
QUOTE (parallel @ Mar 14 2007, 12:27 PM)

Linderman for some reason puts me at ease. When you hear him he sounds gentler and more sophisticated in tone than you would think(at least for me anyway). This makes him dangerous because if you didn't know from previous episodes what he has done, you would be smiling as he had concrete blocks tied to your feet and was having his thugs trow you into a river

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Well yes, but he might surprise us and end up being a "good" bad guy. He could be manipulative and hungry for power, but he might be working against the company. And in that case, the enemy of my enemy... Is my friend. I personally like bad guys that sometimes have the same goals as the good guys and they work together.
Posted by: Belaset Mar 15 2007, 11:03 AM
He's (this is a spoiler for a scene in the April 23 episode) willing to blow up New York and kill millions of people to unite people and bring about a better world .
A big Yay! for the ends, a much larger Boo! for the means.
Even if he is working against OWI, I don't think the "good guys" should align themselves with his goals. "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" makes for strange bedfellows. And Linderman would grab all the blankets.
Edited to add: Are my spoiler tags working?
Posted by: IvyB Mar 15 2007, 02:20 PM
QUOTE (Belaset @ Mar 15 2007, 11:03 AM)

He's (this is a spoiler for a scene in the April 23 episode) willing to blow up New York and kill millions of people to unite people and bring about a better world .
A big Yay! for the ends, a much larger Boo! for the means.
Even if he is working against OWI, I don't think the "good guys" should align themselves with his goals. "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" makes for strange bedfellows. And Linderman would grab all the blankets.
Edited to add: Are my spoiler tags working?
Working just fine.
I didn't say they should trust him, I'm just saying it could be interesting to watch!
Posted by: HeroesSucks Mar 23 2007, 11:15 AM
Linderman is a rip-off of Alvar Hanso from the hit TV show LOST, and his company is a rip-off of the Hanso Foundation.
Posted by: IvyB Mar 24 2007, 05:18 AM
QUOTE (HeroesSucks @ Mar 23 2007, 11:15 AM)

Linderman is a rip-off of Alvar Hanso from the hit TV show LOST, and his company is a rip-off of the Hanso Foundation.
I thought trolls only existed on IMDB. I'm been proven wrong. I love Lost (haven't seen season 3 yet, might be an advantage) and I love Heroes and apparently everything is a rip-off of everything else. So LOST must be a rip-off of Lord of the Flies.
Posted by: gibits Mar 24 2007, 11:19 AM
Could Linderman be Austin from the latest online novel, as well as the head honcho of OWI?
Hana was tracking the source of OWI, an organization that has intimate knowledge of "special people", a knowledge that Linderman also shares. She traced the orders to Las Vagas, Linderman's headquarters.
OWI is based in Texas, which is where Austin is from (as in Austin, Texas).
Austin has the power to heal people with his touch, Linderman was said to have powers himself.
Linderman (from spoilers) claimed he was a hero from the previous generation, just like Austin (he's a veitnaim vet who saved his commander with his powers).
Maybe the reason Linderman is so untouchable is because he is working with the government since he (under his code name Austin) is in pentagon files, and prolly has access to them, which would explain how he (and hence OWI) has all this knowledge on the heroes.
The only heroes that the OWI doesn't have access to (DL's family and Nathan and Peter), Linderman has close, personal ties with. Completing the "heroes collection".
Posted by: Belaset Mar 27 2007, 06:23 PM
"Austin" was the medic's code name. It's not where he's from. All the soldiers had the names of cities in Texas.
But I think Linderman = "Austin" is quite possible. Too bad "Dallas" doesn't look like he could possibly be named Petrelli -- too big and too blonde.
Posted by: gibits Mar 29 2007, 07:58 PM
QUOTE (Belaset @ Mar 27 2007, 10:23 PM)

"Austin" was the medic's code name. It's not where he's from. All the soldiers had the names of cities in Texas.
But I think Linderman = "Austin" is quite possible. Too bad "Dallas" doesn't look like he could possibly be named Petrelli -- too big and too blonde.
I guess this is already confirmed in the nbc.com tie -in forum.
I so called it
Posted by: kitty Mar 29 2007, 09:25 PM
yup, its confirmed that Austin=Linderman.
Posted by: IvyB Mar 30 2007, 03:25 AM
QUOTE (kitty @ Mar 29 2007, 09:25 PM)

yup, its confirmed that Austin=Linderman.
Is it just me, or Linderman with the power to heal seem weird>? Just doesn't strike me as the right power for an evil Mob boss.
Posted by: wolfbro7 Mar 30 2007, 03:41 AM
QUOTE (IvyB @ Mar 30 2007, 06:25 AM)

Is it just me, or Linderman with the power to heal seem weird>? Just doesn't strike me as the right power for an evil Mob boss.
I agree. I would say at this point, we still don't know if Austin is Linderman. It hasn't been shown anywhere on the show or in the online novels, only in spoilers and theories, which aren't cannon. This could change very soon, but for now, it's all just guessing.
Posted by: kitty Mar 30 2007, 04:47 AM
QUOTE (IvyB @ Mar 30 2007, 11:25 AM)

Is it just me, or Linderman with the power to heal seem weird>? Just doesn't strike me as the right power for an evil Mob boss.
lol, I know right?
Posted by: IvyB Mar 30 2007, 08:26 AM
QUOTE (kitty @ Mar 30 2007, 04:47 AM)

lol, I know right?
I only read the second War buddies (not first or third, or anything with Hana) and Austin just doesn't strike me as Linderman. I kinda see him as Dallas (though that would mean Linderman has a son) especially if he has powers to influence probabilities- THAT's a Linderman-mob-boss power, and would explain a lot about how he got to where he is. If Austin were Petrelli Sr. it would explain Peter's inclination towards being a nurse (his past inclination).
Posted by: Domo Crocodile Apr 4 2007, 03:09 PM
QUOTE (IvyB @ Mar 30 2007, 11:25 AM)

Is it just me, or Linderman with the power to heal seem weird>? Just doesn't strike me as the right power for an evil Mob boss.
That, is exactly what makes the character so intruiging thus far. I love how Heroes doesn't do the whole obvious clichés with good or bad. Almost every character has depth.
I really think that a 'mob boss' with healing powers conveys alot of interests. I mean, he could heal Nathans wife Heidi..would Nathan allow that despite being in his debt...? This power brings a interesting set of possibilities to the story arc.
Posted by: Vampyre611 Apr 6 2007, 10:12 PM
QUOTE (Domo Crocodile @ Apr 4 2007, 04:09 PM)

That, is exactly what makes the character so intruiging thus far. I love how Heroes doesn't do the whole obvious clichés with good or bad. Almost every character has depth.
I really think that a 'mob boss' with healing powers conveys alot of interests. I mean, he could heal Nathans wife Heidi..would Nathan allow that despite being in his debt...? This power brings a interesting set of possibilities to the story arc.
I agree. I love that Linderman can heal things. It's so counter-intuitive who would imagine that a big vegas style kingpin type would have such a passive power... unless he can do more than heal... like the opposite? would it be possible for lindermans power to work both ways to heal AND to hurt? that would be interesting... however... i'm pretty stoked that he has a healing power. It makes me wonder HOW he turned from Austin (who seems generally nice, if not a little soft...) into Linderman (the great all seeing eye- as it is...)
Posted by: lauryn Apr 9 2007, 02:20 PM
Wait... question.. not sure if it has been asked... but I don't feel like looking through this thread...
If Linderman can heal.. can he heal Heidi Petrelli? Possibly a big favor to Nathan?
Posted by: Shuveria Apr 10 2007, 10:16 PM
My theory: Linderman's age is not as it seen on the screen. I think he must be at least 500 years old, and his power is that he can never get old (despite the look). It is very possible that he personally knew Takezo Kensei. Or it might be that Linderman IS Takezo Kensei.
Posted by: kitty Apr 10 2007, 10:25 PM
That's the same thing everyone thought with Claire...
Obviously, Linderman has aged, if you read the comics. He was a young man with blonde hair, and now he's an older man with gray hair.
Last time I checked, and that's when I looked at my mother, that's aging.
Posted by: Fanboy Apr 11 2007, 11:23 PM
If you watched the preview for 1x19 over on youtube, his power looks a lot different than healing
If you pause the video, it clearly shows Linderman, with what looks like bullets right infront of him that may or may not be reflected back? If that's the case maybe he can create force fields or repel objects?
Posted by: watchman Apr 14 2007, 09:21 PM
Don't know if this has already been posted or not, but McDowell is also playing Dr. Loomis in the Rob Zombie remake of Halloween... Cool...
QUOTE
Malcolm McDowell as Dr. Sam Loomis: is the doctor that treated Michael for 17 years. He has tried to keep Michael locked-up.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halloween_%282007_film%29
Also, a CLOCKWORK Orange...
Posted by: SuperPetrelli Apr 16 2007, 12:37 PM
Lindermans power is to not refuse Cream Sauce, He cant! He really cant refuse that stuff, I mean whats the point?
Warm,
Wholesome,
Healthy, well that is if you can live without the Cream Sauce in which case I can't..
Lol, i guess he can heal too.. Thats it! Linderman looks so cool to, like a grandpa with Power, and a pot pie fetish. And boy is he selfish about that pie, i bet if Nathan wouldve known he would get any pot pie for pulling his gun out he would been like...Screw this Im hungry for some super healin Linderman Pie.
nice
Posted by: 91z4me Apr 19 2007, 08:04 AM
I mentioned this in another thread but I think that Linderman is actually a good guy. I think him and momma Petrelli are working to get Nathan into the White House. I think the secured communications sent from Texas, that Hana saw, were from the Haitian.
I believe that Hana is interpreting the messages from HRG wrong. She is supposed to find Linderman and get his help NOT take him down. Micah is going to make sure that Nathan gets into the White House, opposing Hana (which will likely ****** her off).
I think Monday's episode will clear up some confusion at least.
Posted by: SuperPetrelli Apr 19 2007, 09:28 AM
QUOTE (91z4me @ Apr 19 2007, 11:04 AM)

I mentioned this in another thread but I think that Linderman is actually a good guy. I think him and momma Petrelli are working to get Nathan into the White House. I think the secured communications sent from Texas, that Hana saw, were from the Haitian.
I believe that Hana is interpreting the messages from HRG wrong. She is supposed to find Linderman and get his help NOT take him down. Micah is going to make sure that Nathan gets into the White House, opposing Hana (which will likely ****** her off).
I think Monday's episode will clear up some confusion at least.
monday is gonna clear up alot of stuff...Peters fake-scar, Micah's role in these events, and a hell of alot more
Posted by: texgrog Apr 23 2007, 07:19 PM
Well, I'll be the first to say it in this thread, I thought for the longest time that Linderman had nothing to do with the company, but that he was responsible for a group that was opposed to the company. In ep 19, we find out for certain that he is one of the higher ups in the company, maybe even the head. I know that most of the people on this board have been saying this since we were introduced to Linderman, but to me that just seemed too simple and was hoping for something more. Well, at the very least, we have a few episodes to get to know just who he is and what his role with the rest of the characters will entail.
Posted by: mightyelroy Apr 24 2007, 12:48 PM
I have a hunch that Peter and Nathan's mother used to be an associate/colleague of Linderman, possibly one of those who he felt used their powers for her own benefit.
Posted by: toksik shok Apr 27 2007, 10:16 AM
QUOTE (texgrog @ Apr 23 2007, 11:19 PM)

Well, I'll be the first to say it in this thread, I thought for the longest time that Linderman had nothing to do with the company, but that he was responsible for a group that was opposed to the company. In ep 19, we find out for certain that he is one of the higher ups in the company, maybe even the head. I know that most of the people on this board have been saying this since we were introduced to Linderman, but to me that just seemed too simple and was hoping for something more. Well, at the very least, we have a few episodes to get to know just who he is and what his role with the rest of the characters will entail.
from the preview of the coming episode showing nathan as a bad guy president, it would lead me to think that ridding the world of special ppl may infact be lindermans ultimate goal. im gathering that he may not be that trusting of "specials" after his old partners turned to the bad side
Posted by: chevyjock Apr 27 2007, 12:24 PM
Here's a thought. That orchid was dead. Really dead. like dead enough it would probably break in half from a slight breeze.
Then comes along Linderman.
Poor flower, dead flower.
Here, let me demonstrate my power to Nathan, let me REVIVE you.
Reviving and healing might go hand in hand, but when it comes to this show...
Ok, back on track. So he can revive plants and heal people in combat... could he revive someone like...
PAPA PETRELLI?
Suicide my ******, he knew he'd be coming back to life. And so did Angela Petreli too, i bet.
Posted by: Ravenivarious May 2 2007, 09:37 AM
What's Linderman up to as he aims to the near future of the gifted people which he knows about so well. He may I think have some kind of plan he is going to take out later maybe in the series. I am thinking that he might use his antics to get around things pretty easily, like in a museum as I could tell, a place people would least expect him to be.
Posted by: Time4milkjr May 7 2007, 08:14 PM
Ok, I give up I have tried to start a new thread in this forum but it won't work so I guess, I'll post this here:
I was just thinkin'. What do we really know about Linderman that has been confirmed on the show and also on the Graphic Novels?
These are what I know:
-Linderman served in Vietnam with Nathan and Peter Petrelli's Dad.
-During Vietnam, Linderman used his powers. (perhaps first time in public)
-Linderman is loaded and works in his own hotel/casino as a chef.
-He's trying to scam the elections in Nathan Petrelli's favor.
-Perhaps not alive in the future(?)
-There was an Act named after him.
-He has a good knowledge about others, and knows that New York will be destroyed.
Ok, those are the ones that come to mind. I guess there are plenty of questions that I have too. Like how does Linderman know so much about the explosion? How did Linderman get all that money? Anyone?
Posted by: Leek May 8 2007, 07:15 PM
Heal sombody already for godsakes!
Posted by: URAINAH May 11 2007, 07:32 PM
I think maybe he's the "Magneto" type. Trying to get the Heroes into a position to rule the world. He is trying to make Nathan president, and probably using Micah to manipulate the voting machines to fix the election (according to War Buddies #5 or #6) It seems from his childhood and even the reaction from Dallas that he feels scorned for his ability. He probably thinks the real Nathan as president would do good. I guess he doesn't count on Sylar taking his place!
Posted by: Ajatashatru May 14 2007, 04:52 PM
Why isn't Malcolm McDowell credited for "How To Stop And Exploding Man?!"
I don't want Linderman to die, I was just starting to like him. Mainly because he's Malcolm McDowell.
Posted by: Ajatashatru May 16 2007, 05:12 AM
Well, nevermind.
Now I know why.
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