1962, Two threads merged Options

[HERΟ]

After looking at the Paul E. Sylar photo in the HEROES nbc general section and the date of establishment for Primatech in the logo, which I combined,

and knowing that Chandra Suresh said that Sylar was Patient Zero, is there going to be a character named Paul E. Sylar who is the connection to all of the HEROES? [Speculation]What if someone like Linderman knew of his existence and formed Primatech Paper the year of Sylar's birth as a place to study him? Or maybe he was born or was an experiment who came from Primatech?[/Speculation] The year 1962 seems to be a big coincidence for both Sylar's year of birth and the establishment of Primatech. And I'm not referring to Gabriel Gray when I'm talking 'bout Sylar. Or does the newspaper clipping about Paul Sylar have no bearing on the current direction of the HEROES story?

Or, how's this for some wild speculation: What if Paul Sylar's watches contained tritium dials that helped some people, genetically-predisposed to some special abilities, develop into HEROES? People just had to wear one of these watches or work with the dials to become affected, and voila, you've got some Misfits of Science! Oh wait, that was another show with which Kring was involved...

Go ahead, you can shoot it down if ya want...

[MoeBetta]

I thnk this is a good catch on the 1962. I was thinking of why Peter was booking a flight to the desert where they did the nuclear testings. Did a quick search and found this:

"On July 17, 1962 the test shot "Little Feller I" of Operation Sunbeam became the last atmospheric test detonation at the Nevada Test Site."

URL: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nevada_Test_Site

Interesting that the codename was "Operation Sunbeam"... eclipse logo anyone?

Not too sure about the rest of the post...

[Mighty Lauren]

Prepare for some straw grasping...

Paul E. Sylar created Primatech to log and study these mutants such as himself popping up around the world. In an accident he passes from the earth only to be reincarnated, or born again as the current Sylar? An identity he took on as his powers developed.

It would explain why he knows so much about how the powers are working.

[elketerbentzadik]

The "Six Months Ago" episode revealed that Gabriel Gray got the name Sylar off a ( German? ) timepiece. It's highly unlikely that the watch company has any connection to Paul E. Sylar from the birth announcement ( a prop that was never even used in the show ), Linderman or Primatech Paper.

Gray didn't even become "special" until he "activated" his "evolution" using the brain matter of Brian the TK guy and the knowledge about the power/brain connection he obtained from Chandra Suresh.

[HERΟ]

I thnk this is a good catch on the 1962. I was thinking of why Peter was booking a flight to the desert where they did the nuclear testings. Did a quick search and found this:

"On July 17, 1962 the test shot "Little Feller I" of Operation Sunbeam became the last atmospheric test detonation at the Nevada Test Site."

URL: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nevada_Test_Site

Interesting that the codename was "Operation Sunbeam"... eclipse logo anyone?

Not too sure about the rest of the post...

Wild! Did you look at the kinds of results when searching for "operation-sunbeam" (without quotes)? I didn't actually click on the links, but there's some non-"Little Feller I" references- some about karmic something or other...

Thought it was interesting that operation sunbeam had more than one reference.

Also, from the first reference about tritium, it was most abundant in the atmosphere because of above-ground tests; maybe from operations like Operation Sunbeam?

Here's an excerpt about tritium from that reference in the first post:

Where does tritium come from?
Tritium is produced naturally in the upper atmosphere when cosmic rays strike nitrogen molecules in the air. Tritium is also produced during nuclear weapons explosions, as a byproduct in reactors producing electricity, and in special production reactors, where the isotope lithium-6 is bombarded to produce tritium.
What are the properties of tritium?
Tritium is a hydrogen atom that has two neutrons in the nucleus, in addition to its single proton, giving it an atomic weight near three. Although tritium can be a gas, its most common form is in water, because, like non-radioactive hydrogen, radioactive tritium reacts with oxygen to form water. Tritium replaces one of the stable hydrogens in the water molecule, H2O, and is called tritiated water (HTO). Like H2O, tritiated water is colorless and odorless. Tritium has a half-life of 12.3 years and emits a very weak beta particle.
What is tritium used for?
Tritium has several important uses. Its most significant use is as a component in the triggering mechanism in thermonuclear (fusion) weapons. Very large quantities of tritium are required for the maintenance of our nation's nuclear weapons capabilities.
Tritium is also produced commercially in reactors. It is used in various self-luminescent devices, such as exit signs in buildings, aircraft dials, gauges, luminous paints, and wristwatches. Tritium is also used in life science research, and in studies investigating the metabolism of potential new drugs.
Exposure to Tritium
How does tritium get into the environment?
Tritium occurs naturally in the environment in very low concentrations. Most tritium in the environment is in the form of tritiated water, which easily disburses in the atmosphere, water bodies, soil, and rock.
In the mid-1950s and early 1960s, tritium was widely dispersed during the above-ground testing of nuclear weapons. The quantity of tritium in the atmosphere from weapons testing peaked in 1963 and has been decreasing ever since.
Today, sources of tritium include commercial nuclear reactors and research reactors, and government weapons production plants. Tritium may be released as steam from these facilities or may leak into the underlying soil and ground water. However, such releases are usually small and are required not to exceed federal environmental limits.
A recently documented source of tritium in the environment is tritium exit signs that have been illegally disposed of in municipal landfills. Water, which seeps through the landfill, is contaminated with tritium from broken signs and can pass into water ways, carrying the tritium with it.
How are people exposed to tritium?
People are exposed to small amounts of tritium every day, since it is widely dispersed in the environment and in the food chain. People who live near or work in federal weapons facilities or nuclear fuel cycle facilities may have increased exposure. People working in research laboratories may also come in contact with tritium.
Health Effects of Tritium
How does tritium affect people's health?
As with all ionizing radiation, exposure to tritium increases the risk of developing cancer. However, because it emits very low energy radiation and leaves the body relatively quickly, for a given amount of activity ingested, tritium is one of the least dangerous radionuclides. Since tritium is almost always found as water, it goes directly into soft tissues and organs. The associated dose to these tissues are generally uniform and dependent on the tissues' water content.
Is there a medical test to determine exposure to tritium?
Urinalysis is the easiest bioassay method for determining exposure to tritium. Liquid scintillation counting is a quick and relatively inexpensive method for assessing the concentration of tritium in urine. Because tritium is found naturally in most water supplies at very low concentrations, levels in drinking water would be measured to determine whether the tritium levels exceed the levels present in the body.
Protecting People from Tritium
How do I know if I'm near tritium?
You have to have specialized equipment to detect tritium.

The "Six Months Ago" episode revealed that Gabriel Gray got the name Sylar off a ( German? ) timepiece. It's highly unlikely that the watch company has any connection to Paul E. Sylar from the birth announcement ( a prop that was never even used in the show ), Linderman or Primatech Paper.

Gray didn't even become "special" until he "activated" his "evolution" using the brain matter of Brian the TK guy and the knowledge about the power/brain connection he obtained from Chandra Suresh.

Yeah, I was thinking it was different about the clipping of Paul E. Sylar, but no mention of him in the show. That's why I had other speculative thoughts in the post too.

[HERΟ]

So even though Paul Sylar's info may not be pertinent to the show, I decided to check out why that birthdate could be (or could have been) significant to the plot. I thought maybe TPTB might still have a storyline that incorporates some elements from the scrapped idea of Paul Sylar (though it's just speculation). Anyway, if you look on page 2 of this pdf, in section 2.3, you can see that both the USSR and the US both resumed nuclear testing in September of 1961. The USSR had more atmospheric tests, and the US had mostly underground tests, except for ones like Operation Sunbeam mentioned above. And guess what? Those tests were resumed oh, about 9 months before this person Sylar's birthday and before the establishment of Primatech Paper! Coincidence? Yeah, probably.

I thought of tritium at first as a possible link since Gabriel Gray, as a watchmaker/repairman, might also be exposed to tritium dials.

And here are some things I found out about tritium. First, tritiated water (hydrogen tritium oxygen, or HTO) acts a lot like water, since tritium acts a lot like hydrogen, but HTO's radioactive. And organically-bound tritium (OBT), where tritium takes the place of hydrogen in molecules (and hydrogen is plentiful in a person's body, and around dna), can be problematic. Its presence can cause single and double-strand breaks in dna. Don't know what that looks like, but couldn't that mean a portion of the dna can look just like an "s" with some horizontal lines (where some C's, T's, A's or G's would go)? Like a helical symbol, perhaps?

Also, some of that damage caused by OBT can include mutations, or possibly some genetic heritable or developmental effects! You could almost make a fun show about HEROES with that info!

Or not.

[DarkHeroJ]

Paul E. Sylar created Primatech

yeah, how can someone create a company the year they are born

i think the first pic of paul e. sylar was never showed in the show cause it just wasnt hte direction they were going. the ychanged the show a bit and the ychanged the character of sylar a bit too. its all a coincidence

[The Lazarus Man]

Given the Indian/Hindu stuff they toss in the show from time to time, It wouldn't be that much of a stretch.. then again, yeah it would be.

Prepare for some straw grasping...

Paul E. Sylar created Primatech to log and study these mutants such as himself popping up around the world. In an accident he passes from the earth only to be reincarnated, or born again as the current Sylar? An identity he took on as his powers developed.

It would explain why he knows so much about how the powers are working.

[HERΟ]

Given the Indian/Hindu stuff they toss in the show from time to time, It wouldn't be that much of a stretch.. then again, yeah it would be.

A reincarnated being would be interesting to see!

Does anyone think 1962 is significant, or have other ways to connect the HEROES instead of my tritium idea?

[Callie]

A reincarnated being would be interesting to see!

Does anyone think 1962 is significant, or have other ways to connect the HEROES instead of my tritium idea?

Yeah, I do think something's up with the year 1962... I just don't know what. I mean, why else would they put it in their logo? Sure, the year of establishment is often incorporated into a company's logo, but the creators could have chosen from a vast majority of OTHER logos. Instead they went with one that has 1962. It could just be an unimportant detail, but I think it's worth looking into.

[HERΟ]

Yeah, I do think something's up with the year 1962... I just don't know what. I mean, why else would they put it in their logo? Sure, the year of establishment is often incorporated into a company's logo, but the creators could have chosen from a vast majority of OTHER logos. Instead they went with one that has 1962. It could just be an unimportant detail, but I think it's worth looking into.

Yeah, I thought it was different that the date was shown twice in the little logo ad.

So I looked to see if there were any Odessa, TX tritium connections (just 'cuz I thought the idea of tritium messing with people's dna was interesting), and googled the terms "tritium odessa texas". Not much there, but I did notice a hit talking about a meteor crater in Odessa! Sorta a sidetrack, but I was interested! The Odessa Visitor's Bureau even shares that it's the second largest crater in the US! Maybe some Smallville connections?!?

Then I started looking to see if there were any Las Vegas meteor hits with google. And it appears that in April of (what year?) 1962, something that was reported by a few people to be meteorite landed somewhere near Nellis Air Force Base (though other sites say it was a UFO). Oh, and guess when Groom Lake got a name change? In 1962! To the name of, um, Area 51!

Well, I didn't know any of that history, but it was probably something TPTB knew. So maybe there'll be an outer space connection?!?

Yep, just reporting fun coincidences!

[Super Hiro]

Yeah, my guess is they decided to take the show and the character of Sylar in a different direction. It seems as though they were going to make him more of a tormented, religious nut job. Remember the crazy "father forgive me writings", we haven't ever seen anything like that since. I assume Sylar was going to be an older ex-alterboy who was struggling with his faith vs. his need to kill. When they cast Zach Quinto, he was a little too young to fit the 1962 Paul Sylar thingy, so he instead took his name from the watch, and the religious overtones to his path have since been written out of the show.

[Joe Ravenclaw]

Wow, I didn't even catch the 1962.

But the theory... I'm not so sure about...

[HERΟ]

Wow, I didn't even catch the 1962.

But the theory... I'm not so sure about...

Well, I started talkin' about the tritium to find a connection, and have ended up posting other things that might connect the HEROES, related to the year 1962. So you're not sure about all of it? Me neither; just posting things that I thought were interesting and that TPTB could have known about and might have incorporated into the storyline. But obviously, I'm just speculatin'...

[rsn1576]

Did anyone catch the birthdate on HRG's driver's licence? There is a screenshot on this thread:

http://www.9thwonders.com/boards/index.php?showtopic=50351

08-06-62? Hmmmm.. maybe you all ARE onto something?

[Callie]

Yeah I was just over there posting about the odd connections with "1962." I think this is definately something to look into more, now that we know his DOB.

[CaptainNemo]

Hi everybody! Long time lurker posting. Primatech Paper was created in 1962, so I thought I'd find out what all happened in that year. Here's the most interesting bit, courtesey Wikipedia.

February 4-February 5 - During the new moon and solar eclipse of February 4-5, 1962, an extremely rare grand conjunction of the classical planets occurred (it included all five of the naked-eye planets plus the Sun and Moon), all of them within 16° of one another on the ecliptic. At the precise moment of the new moon/solar eclipse, five celestial bodies (the Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, and Jupiter) were clustered within 3° of each other, with the Earth in close conjunction with them. Taken in totality though, this grand conjunction included the Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn, with the Earth also in alignment with the Sun and Moon at the exact moment of the new moon/solar eclipse (eight celestial bodies in total).

Anybody else remember the eclipse motif?

[Luthor]

That is interesting. What would "alignment" affect?

[dcg]

The alignment is something that is unique, but of no consequence to the earth (nor sun, nor any of the other planets listed.)
Astrologers put lots of stock in conjunctions and alignments, but not scientests.

1962 was posted on Benetts Driver's Lisc as his birth year.
1962 is the founding year for Primatech paper in Odessa Tx.

[kitty]

sooo... Bennet was born the same year Primatech was made?

So, he inherited Primatech?

Was it always a paper company? Or did he acquire the paper company, and turn it into a place to test "specials,"

[SacValleyDweller]

interesting! dont think the eclipses and extra special alignment could have anything to do with the powers though. genetics can't respond to somethign like that unless mystical forces are involded, which is not what this show is about.

[kitty]

It may or it may not, but eclipses definently mean something in the show.

[SacValleyDweller]

sooo... Bennet was born the same year Primatech was made?

So, he inherited Primatech?

Was it always a paper company? Or did he acquire the paper company, and turn it into a place to test "specials,"

interesting notions, kitty.

[Viola]

In 1962 Crick, Watson and Wilkins won the Nobel Prize for their discovery of the DNA structure.

Click

Viola

[Jenniferocious]

wow.

awesome find!