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jdog
I never thought of that. Maybe it is her husband/exhusband.
Viper
I see. I figured that was D.L. I saw that the bar. That man must have been Sylar then. =/
UncleBuck
sylar was shown earlier with the two cops, providing great powers..all their powers and one we havent seen yet. and later he shown another, the ability not to have his mind read. all this to create one superhuman, hence all the research. the teaser for next week devulges into this somewhat. the others pose a threat, and how unique is it that they are all linked...this poses the question, is it Niki's exhusband..hmmm let the links continue
Choji
No, it isn't D.L.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0813715/

That shows the list of who people are, The Black guy is Jimmy Jean-Louis
pirategrillz
But he also might not have been Sylar. sad.gif
Choji
QUOTE (UncleBuck @ Oct 9 2006, 10:45 PM) *
so who is DL, the guy that can escape prison? Niki's husband?

Yes, I think later on they will introduce him from back when he is in prison and it will show him escaping with his powers.
UncleBuck
will we also find out which "hero" has the telekinetic powers too?
Fyre
Now, the ultimate question answered.

Does Sylar have Mind Control or Telekenesis?

He pushed Audrey's hand to her head...but in Episode #1.2, he lifted the woman to the wall, then impaled her with, what was it? Knives? The investigators said it would've taken 3 guys to get her up that high. Plus, he telekeneticized himself to fly near the end, after Matt shot him...like...6 times. o_O He obviously has another power...maybe he got Claire's power somehow?
UncleBuck
so who is DL, the guy that can escape prison? Niki's husband?
Erebus
The little girl says "How did he find me?" The FBI blonde girl says that Sylar lifts people and impales them with objects without seeming to physically touch them.

Sylar appears to have Telekinesis.

Also all the other abilities can be explained by Telekinesis. If you ever read X-men, both Nathan and Jean Grey do alot of things with just TK(short for Telekinesis). It's just force, so you could create a layer of TK armor about your body, and while the force of the bullets would knock you down, you could protect yourself from bodily harm. You could also fly by pushing yourself away from the ground with TK force.
KyleSBeaver
Yep, that Sylar can do it all.

However, I think the black guy at the end was DL, which was the only point of the scene with Niki and DL's mom, was to talk about him. Sort of introduce him to the plot.
UncleBuck
here's another thought...remember hiro in the future, issac was dead, skull cut off, brain gone..that was what four weeks in the future...wasnt there something else showing that? plus the book with the brain in sylar's apt?
sephirothskiller
If Sylar just has "Psychic abilities" then he could have telepathy, and telekenisis. I'm also guessing he can heal though, since he didn't seem too phased by the bullets that entered him. I think that he might gain the powers of those he kills.
UncleBuck
true on the telekinesis...but you can also block someone from reading ur mind too...the MBG in the bar did just that.
Ethan
QUOTE (pirategrillz @ Oct 9 2006, 10:44 PM) *
But he also might not have been Sylar. sad.gif


Yeah, I really didn't see anything to indicate that either the guy in the police station or the guy at the bar were Sylar or even that they were the same guy.

I suppose either one is reasonable, but there's not really any evidence of that. I suppose the guy at the station who Matt shot may have been Sylar, especially considering the girl thought "How did he find me" that may be some evidence that it is the same guy (presumably Sylar) who killed her parents. However, if she was hidden under the stairs the whole time she might not have even known what he looked like.

Also, I want to watch the episode again (roommates are using the DVR right now and the episode isn't up for download yet) but I'd be interested in seeing by what means the dead cop was killed. If there are "household objects", as the FBI woman said, sticking into him that's a slam dunk.

He did demonstrate telekinesis of some sort, and the disappearing act could have been flight, teleportation, or just the same telekinesis. Also the fact that he wasn't hurt by the bullets could have been super strength/regeneration... or he just as easily could have been wearing a bullet-proof vest... you know?

What power would we consider having been exhibited by the gentleman at the bar? He made Matt pass out, you think that is some sort of telepathy? Or maybe a side effect of Matt trying to read his mind? Maybe certain people can repel that... so many possibilities!
Ethan
QUOTE (Tarsuinn @ Oct 9 2006, 11:00 PM) *
Sylar is obviously Peter from the future, after his hereditary disease drove him to become homicidal. He killed and absorbed powers from Claire (that's why the bullets didn't kill him), Nathan (that's how he flew away), Hiro (how he travelled back to the past) and others. He's played by a different actor just to throw viewers off. And Niki's alter ego was the one who killed her husbands crew after they heisted the mob money. That's the only way her alter ego could have known where the crew was buried etc.h, and I'm completely kidding about the first part.


... all extremely plausible.
Darth Adogg
Yes, Sylar is a WHITE MALE, Middle to young aged (think 30 to 35ish.)

He has powers of telekinsis, and can jump high and can either regen (doubtful) or was not actually "shot" (meaning maybe he just was pushed down from the force but they did not go through him).

The Black guy in the bar is NOT Sylar or Micha's dad. There are now TWO black guys (Ohhh my good --- 2 whole black guys!). I know it's hard to comprehend that they only two black guys are not the same people...

Also, I think you'll find that NIKKI killed her husband and the gang members, framed her now dead husband and took the money. That's how she already had the 59 Cadillac registered in her name. I also think you're going to see a second house she has with a bunch of money .. (PS. She sleeps with Nathan)
Viper
Good theory on Nikki's evil double being the one who killed D.L.'s crew. I will also have to go with the fact that Sylar's power is telekinesis.
Tarsuinn
Sylar is obviously Peter from the future, after his hereditary disease drove him to become homicidal. He killed and absorbed powers from Claire (that's why the bullets didn't kill him), Nathan (that's how he flew away), Hiro (how he travelled back to the past) and others. He's played by a different actor just to throw viewers off. And Niki's alter ego was the one who killed her husbands crew after they heisted the mob money. That's the only way her alter ego could have known where the crew was buried etc.h, and I'm completely kidding about the first part.
Zach
QUOTE (UncleBuck @ Oct 10 2006, 02:57 AM) *
here's another thought...remember hiro in the future, issac was dead, skull cut off, brain gone..that was what four weeks in the future...wasnt there something else showing that? plus the book with the brain in sylar's apt?


in the last episode the girls parents were dead, one stabbed with forks and the other frozen skull cut out, brain gone. Sylar must use the brains for his own advantage I would assume, say to adopt those person's abilities
UncleBuck
remember the map in sylars apartment. it had more strings than Suresh's fathers' map. meaning more "heroes" right? others that are out there. yet the pictures were of our "local" heroes. it seems there were more than Suresh's father interested in what is going on and how to utilize it.
Nery
QUOTE (Tarsuinn @ Oct 9 2006, 11:00 PM) *
Sylar is obviously Peter from the future, after his hereditary disease drove him to become homicidal. He killed and absorbed powers from Claire (that's why the bullets didn't kill him), Nathan (that's how he flew away), Hiro (how he travelled back to the past) and others. He's played by a different actor just to throw viewers off. And Niki's alter ego was the one who killed her husbands crew after they heisted the mob money. That's the only way her alter ego could have known where the crew was buried etc.h, and I'm completely kidding about the first part.



Wow! I want to know how your brain works. I'm impressed. Kudos.
Tarsuinn
QUOTE (Nery @ Oct 10 2006, 03:18 AM) *
Wow! I want to know how your brain works. I'm impressed. Kudos.


lol. I just remember the writers saying that peter was at the center of the series and how mohinders father was talking about sylar being patient zero.. sylar seems to have more than one power (froze the little girls father, telekinesis etc.) and peter has the power to absorb other peoples powers (tv guide interview) so he could have gotten powers from other mutants not shown in the series.. um, and if I was writing the show I'd have peter become a darker character and have him get hiro's time and space powers at some point. oh and did I mention that I'm crazy?
Tarsuinn
okay, I suddenly changed my mind. the telekinetic baddie isn't sylar at all. and if mohinders father is really dead then where is his body?
Broken Shakespeare
QUOTE (Ethan @ Oct 9 2006, 11:03 PM) *
Yeah, I really didn't see anything to indicate that either the guy in the police station or the guy at the bar were Sylar or even that they were the same guy.

I suppose either one is reasonable, but there's not really any evidence of that. I suppose the guy at the station who Matt shot may have been Sylar, especially considering the girl thought "How did he find me" that may be some evidence that it is the same guy (presumably Sylar) who killed her parents. However, if she was hidden under the stairs the whole time she might not have even known what he looked like.

Also, I want to watch the episode again (roommates are using the DVR right now and the episode isn't up for download yet) but I'd be interested in seeing by what means the dead cop was killed. If there are "household objects", as the FBI woman said, sticking into him that's a slam dunk.

He did demonstrate telekinesis of some sort, and the disappearing act could have been flight, teleportation, or just the same telekinesis. Also the fact that he wasn't hurt by the bullets could have been super strength/regeneration... or he just as easily could have been wearing a bullet-proof vest... you know?

What power would we consider having been exhibited by the gentleman at the bar? He made Matt pass out, you think that is some sort of telepathy? Or maybe a side effect of Matt trying to read his mind? Maybe certain people can repel that... so many possibilities!


The dead cop was impaled by a chair. The chair was jammed through him, pinning him to the wall/ceiling. The same M.O. that Sylar uses.

I also think that if you watch the scene, you may briefly see Sylar use super speed. At least that is what it looked like to me.
Brian USAF
Did anyone else notice the necklace around the black guys neck in the bar. It was the same "chromosomal" design that was in the painting when Hiro was in the dudes apartment.

I just thought that was interesting, have no idea what it means though. Maybe it's a replication of the specific DNA variation that gives all the people their special abilities.

I'm thinking that the black guy isn't sylar, but he most likely is D.L.. I think Sylar is the Step-father of Claire. And the sneakpeak at next week's episode makes me believe this even more. The stepfather asks Matt "well lets see what we have here". I'm guessing he's going to try and steal Matt's powers.

Anyway, that's what i've gotten out of it so far. Let me know what you all think.
Tarsuinn
I like that design. It shows up everywhere, on claire's geometry book, peter draws it in the hospital, matt sees it in a swimming pool.. and on a completely different note, I just noticed that Niki's alter ego lives in NYC (on the car registration)
Nery
QUOTE (Tarsuinn @ Oct 9 2006, 11:42 PM) *
okay, I suddenly changed my mind. the telekinetic baddie isn't sylar at all. and if mohinders father is really dead then where is his body?


I think Mohinders father is alive, because the actor they hired for the photograph is a well known actor Erick Avari (The Mummy 1 & 2). The producers are not going to hire a good actor for a mere photograph maybe flashbacks or Season Finale.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0042805/
Tarsuinn
yup. I figure if he was really dead he would at least have a funeral or something. right now I'm trying to figure out all the solar eclipse symbolism since it opens every episode.. why did all of the main characters suddenly discover their powers at the same time?
DDR
QUOTE (UncleBuck @ Oct 10 2006, 02:57 AM) *
here's another thought...remember hiro in the future, issac was dead, skull cut off, brain gone..that was what four weeks in the future...wasnt there something else showing that? plus the book with the brain in sylar's apt?



On the floor in that scene is the gun that Suresh has been lugging around. So how did that get there?

DDR
Matthew
peter already hates nathan for lying about him, isaac and him won't be the best of buddies after peter is making out with simone ...

maybe you're onto something

QUOTE (Tarsuinn @ Oct 9 2006, 11:25 PM) *
lol. I just remember the writers saying that peter was at the center of the series and how mohinders father was talking about sylar being patient zero.. sylar seems to have more than one power (froze the little girls father, telekinesis etc.) and peter has the power to absorb other peoples powers (tv guide interview) so he could have gotten powers from other mutants not shown in the series.. um, and if I was writing the show I'd have peter become a darker character and have him get hiro's time and space powers at some point. oh and did I mention that I'm crazy?
Tarsuinn
oops, I said Nikis alter ego lived in NYC but her address is actually 37 Parker Street, Henderson, NY 89014 which is outside the city, on lake ontario. that street is fictional as is Isaacs street: 215 Reed St. #7, New York, NY 10010. did anyone else notice the A-Team music after Hiro stole the comic book?
lycaon25
QUOTE (jdog @ Oct 9 2006, 07:37 PM) *
I never thought of that. Maybe it is her husband/exhusband.



i think the guy in the bar was niki's ex. How do we know the Sylar is even a he...

QUOTE (Ethan @ Oct 9 2006, 08:03 PM) *
Also, I want to watch the episode again (roommates are using the DVR right now and the episode isn't up for download yet) but I'd be interested in seeing by what means the dead cop was killed. If there are "household objects", as the FBI woman said, sticking into him that's a slam dunk.


he was pinned to the wall with a wooden chair.
bluestrider25
Sylar is killer...he said it himself on the recording. He reminds me of a vampire. Someone who has tasted something and developed a hunger or someone on crack. lol!

However I believe that Nathan is the more dangerous one! He looks corrupt along with his ambition. What an amazing coincidence that the day after he gets elected a nuclear device goes off!?!? I think that the outcome of that day is going to coincide with his election. If he wins=BIG BOOM
if he losses=somehow heroes save day!
Nery
QUOTE (Tarsuinn @ Oct 10 2006, 12:48 AM) *
right now I'm trying to figure out all the solar eclipse symbolism since it opens every episode.. why did all of the main characters suddenly discover their powers at the same time?


In the first episode there is an Eclipse that can be seen by all the characters. Maybe the Eclipse trigger something emotionally, not genetically. I don't think they got their abilities due to the eclipse.

I think Claire had it before the Eclipse (when she jumped and dislocated her shoulder she said to the camera "This is Claire Bennet and this was attempt number six".)

And Niki also had it before because the bodies in the desert were most likely be put there by her. I think she became aware after the eclipse.

Peter had been having recurrent dreams of flying as he told Nathan before the eclipse. I still think he's a very powerfull empath and they mentioned that he always has been gifted for caring for others.

Sylar had way before the eclipse, the FBI Agent mentioned something about the murders around the country.

Chandra Suresh disappeared before the eclipse.

Micah has always appear to be very smart, like his mom mentions to the school headmaster.

Hiro I'm still not sure. It had to be genetics. (They mentioned in the online comics that he was named Hiro to honor his grandfathers' Hiroshima survival) So Radioactivity maybe. I know is a stretch and maybe unlikely.

Isaac clearly drew a lot of the paintings before the eclipse. He even drew the eclipse.

After the Eclipse only Nathan Petrelli and Matt Parkman had abilities.

QUOTE (bluestrider25 @ Oct 10 2006, 01:28 AM) *
However I believe that Nathan is the more dangerous one! He looks corrupt along with his ambition. What an amazing coincidence that the day after he gets elected a nuclear device goes off!?!? I think that the outcome of that day is going to coincide with his election. If he wins=BIG BOOM
if he losses=somehow heroes save day!


Good catch.

Hiro saw the newspaper and he told Ando in the plane that they weren't reliving but changing the future.
Nery
QUOTE (bluestrider25 @ Oct 10 2006, 01:47 AM) *
I think the whole eclipse was the use a symbolism. The end of an era...and the dawn of a new era of humanity.


It just sound too poetic to disagree.
Tarsuinn
oh wow.. Nikis husband IS her alter ego. she has no power of her own. he disappeared from prison and merged with her using his power, that's why Micah said he knew the police would never find his father, because he's interacted with him during Nikis blackouts. that's why her 'alter ego' knew where his crew was buried, because he killed them just like he was convicted of. also explains why her mirror image acts more masculine.
bluestrider25
I think the whole eclipse was the use a symbolism. The end of an era...and the dawn of a new era of humanity. Yes there were already many people who already discovered abilities but after the eclipse everything starts to intertwine.
bluestrider25
QUOTE (Nery @ Oct 10 2006, 01:05 AM) *
It just sound too poetic to disagree.


Lol! Thanks.


QUOTE (Tarsuinn @ Oct 10 2006, 01:06 AM) *
oh wow.. Nikis husband IS her alter ego. she has no power of her own. he disappeared from prison and merged with her using his power, that's why Micah said he knew the police would never find his father, because he's interacted with him during Nikis blackouts. that's why her 'alter ego' knew where his crew was buried, because he killed them just like he was convicted of. also explains why her mirror image acts more masculine.


OMG! Really...? Wow then the mother(Micah's grandmother) must be on the secret too!
Guest_Agentguy007_*
QUOTE (Brian USAF @ Oct 10 2006, 04:08 AM) *
Did anyone else notice the necklace around the black guys neck in the bar. It was the same "chromosomal" design that was in the painting when Hiro was in the dudes apartment.

I just thought that was interesting, have no idea what it means though. Maybe it's a replication of the specific DNA variation that gives all the people their special abilities.

I'm thinking that the black guy isn't sylar, but he most likely is D.L.. I think Sylar is the Step-father of Claire. And the sneakpeak at next week's episode makes me believe this even more. The stepfather asks Matt "well lets see what we have here". I'm guessing he's going to try and steal Matt's powers.

Anyway, that's what i've gotten out of it so far. Let me know what you all think.


That black guy in the bar is NOT DL look on IMDB they show pictures of the characters the guy in the bar is jus tconsidrered mysterious man so get that idea out of your head DL hasnt been shown yet.
Blaze
I have a theory...

Sylar is Claire's REAL father.

ohmy.gif She is p r e t t y damn unique!
continuum
QUOTE (Tarsuinn @ Oct 9 2006, 10:01 PM) *
oops, I said Nikis alter ego lived in NYC but her address is actually 37 Parker Street, Henderson, NY 89014 which is outside the city, on lake ontario. that street is fictional as is Isaacs street: 215 Reed St. #7, New York, NY 10010. did anyone else notice the A-Team music after Hiro stole the comic book?


I think you might have mistaken a "V" for a "Y". The zipcode 89014 is NOT a NY (New York) zipcode, it is a zipcode in NV (Nevada). Specifically, it is a zipcode which would be for Henderson, Nevada, a suburb of Las Vegas.
davthadude
QUOTE (Darth Adogg @ Oct 9 2006, 11:06 PM) *
Yes, Sylar is a WHITE MALE, Middle to young aged (think 30 to 35ish.)

He has powers of telekinsis, and can jump high and can either regen (doubtful) or was not actually "shot" (meaning maybe he just was pushed down from the force but they did not go through him).

The Black guy in the bar is NOT Sylar or Micha's dad. There are now TWO black guys (Ohhh my good --- 2 whole black guys!). I know it's hard to comprehend that they only two black guys are not the same people...


Have to agree that Sylar is white. I said it in another post...and I'm black, but Sylar sounds like a white male on the phone message left to papa suresh. Also the black guy in the bar is NOT DL..Lol, not all blacks look a like. He is dark skinned, DL is lighter. I guess many have not looked at the pictures of DL when the HEROES are all lined up.

Sylar is not the black guy. It doesn't make sense. Sylar and Matt were at the same place, Matt goes home, argues with his wife, and goes to the bar.

The Black guy seemed to be in the bar before Matt had arrived. How would he know that Matt is going to THAT BAR out of all the bars in the world? Can he see the future? I think people are giving Sylar WAY too many powers. Why would he have like 10 powers, and everyone else has 1 or 2 at most?
Jhaks
Okay it's in the other post but I'll post here too. Here is a modified screen capture of Sylar.

SYLAR IMAGE

You can see he looks caucasian. Pink tinted neck and ears. I don't think he is Nathan or Peter because his nose isn't the same (much wider). It also seems he has a mustache... maybe. I don't think Sylar will be revealed until much later.

About DL and the character in the bar at the end of ep 3. They are different. There was a post showing pictures of the two actors. Different people. I read somewhere that DLs power is phasing (like Shadow Cat... able to move through matter solid or otherwise). It explains how he escaped from prison and why the son says the police won't be able to catch him (I think the son knows DL has powers).
davthadude
QUOTE (Jhaks @ Oct 10 2006, 08:40 AM) *
Okay it's in the other post but I'll post here too. Here is a modified screen capture of Sylar.

SYLAR IMAGE

You can see he looks caucasian. Pink tinted neck and ears. I don't think he is Nathan or Peter because his nose isn't the same (much wider). It also seems he has a mustache... maybe. I don't think Sylar will be revealed until much later.

About DL and the character in the bar at the end of ep 3. They are different. There was a post showing pictures of the two actors. Different people. I read somewhere that DLs power is phasing (like Shadow Cat... able to move through matter solid or otherwise). It explains how he escaped from prison and why the son says the police won't be able to catch him (I think the son knows DL has powers).



the only thing, Micah doesn't say that. He doesn't say that they won't be able to catch him, he says, they won't be able to FIND him.

Nikki then says, "Micah, do you know where your father is?"

then they get pulled over.
Greg Turner
QUOTE (sephirothskiller @ Oct 9 2006, 10:59 PM) *
If Sylar just has "Psychic abilities" then he could have telepathy, and telekenisis. I'm also guessing he can heal though, since he didn't seem too phased by the bullets that entered him. I think that he might gain the powers of those he kills.


The bullets never hit him. If you listen closely, you can hear them clattering to the ground when they camera shifts back to Matt. A nice attention to detail on the part of the show's producers, I must say.
CyberGenie
Seems to me that people overlooked a little detail in the bar. The gentleman blocking Matt's scan was wearing a necklace with the same symbol seen everywhere else in the series. The one at the top of this page in the corner of the comic book. We see it at the murder scene in the swimming pool (hose with tapes stuck to it). In Moyender's dad's jumpdrive with all the "gibberish", you notice the gaps between the characters form the same pattern over and over again. The artist had a painting of it in his studio. The symbol means something obviously. I think the black dude is Sylar.

D.L. has yet to be seen, but I'm more interested in Mikah and his abilities. (Say what?) Just think, both his parents have gifts and in episode one, you find this little kid building a new motherboard from scratch for his PC. How many 10 year olds can do that? The kids some kind of genius.

Niki is the one who framed DL and I think the ring is actually her alter ego's. dry.gif

And Sylar may be telekinetic but how does that explain his frezzing power? No, Sylar is more like a parasite. He eats the brains of those he kills and adopts their powers (kind of like the cannabalistic belief that eating the heart and brains of your enemies gives you their powers). Since his map was much more extensive than Suaresh's, he obviously knows where more of the heroes are. Somewhere along the line he gained freezing powers and maybe invulnerability.

I hope they don't cancel this show too soon like they did Surface. This show is K O O L!

And Niki just freaks me out. unsure.gif
davthadude
QUOTE (CyberGenie @ Oct 10 2006, 10:04 AM) *
Seems to me that people overlooked a little detail in the bar. The gentleman blocking Matt's scan was wearing a necklace with the same symbol seen everywhere else in the series. The one at the top of this page in the corner of the comic book. We see it at the murder scene in the swimming pool (hose with tapes stuck to it). In Moyender's dad's jumpdrive with all the "gibberish", you notice the gaps between the characters form the same pattern over and over again. The artist had a painting of it in his studio. The symbol means something obviously. I think the black dude is Sylar.

D.L. has yet to be seen, but I'm more interested in Mikah and his abilities. (Say what?) Just think, both his parents have gifts and in episode one, you find this little kid building a new motherboard from scratch for his PC. How many 10 year olds can do that? The kids some kind of genius.

Niki is the one who framed DL and I think the ring is actually her alter ego's. dry.gif

And Sylar may be telekinetic but how does that explain his frezzing power? No, Sylar is more like a parasite. He eats the brains of those he kills and adopts their powers (kind of like the cannabalistic belief that eating the heart and brains of your enemies gives you their powers). Since his map was much more extensive than Suaresh's, he obviously knows where more of the heroes are. Somewhere along the line he gained freezing powers and maybe invulnerability.

I hope they don't cancel this show too soon like they did Surface. This show is K O O L!

And Niki just freaks me out. unsure.gif



I like the second half about him being a parasite...Maybe so. I can't explain the freezing power. The one thing I do know is that Sylar is not the MBG. Sylar picture shows he was a white male.

MBG may not be a super. What if he just wasn't thinking anything. He was just looking at Matt. And Matt passed out because of stress of both his powers and his personal life.

I think the symbol has more than one meaning
Digital
QUOTE (Greg Turner @ Oct 10 2006, 08:51 AM) *
The bullets never hit him. If you listen closely, you can hear them clattering to the ground when they camera shifts back to Matt. A nice attention to detail on the part of the show's producers, I must say.


Really? I'll have to watch that part again. If so why did he fall down? Just playing possum?
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