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sf-cleff
I'm assuming after chapter 3, Mr Bennet is an early Sylar and has eaten some of claire's brain. (if that's how he obtains others' powers). She regenerates and no harm is done to his daughter.

i think sylar is the future version of claire's creepy father. HRG (aka mr bennet) already met Chandra Suresh and is aware of the map and his research. And he possibly already has a copy of Chandra Suresh's book. So he presently knows where to find some of heroes. And might have killed Chandra Suresh

His first encounter with another hero is Nikki and Hiro. Why? Hiro already can see the future with the help of his comic book, is currently on his way to las vegas where nikki lives. It is shown that Sylar has Nikki's doppelganger powers because his apartment was magically cleaned like Nikki's garage. So if Sylar is the future version of Mr Bennet, than Mr Bennet will seek out Nikki. He will encounter Hiro because it is his destiny to save nikki from mr lindenburg. Mr Bennet will probably eat her brain and her son's brain (Micah might have telekinesis, which i'll explain later). Hiro tries to rescue her but is unsuccessful. Hiro can't hurt Mr Bennet (now sylar) because of his indestructability, and Sylar's Doppelganger kills Hiro just like Nikki's doppelganger killed mr lindenburg's henchmen. He probably finds her husband and kills him too. DL has phasing powers

Sylar can now teleport and travel threw time (maybe phase). He goes back in space and time to get help from Chandra Suresh. Suresh discovers his powers and tries to not help Sylar, whom ends up murdering him (as maybe revealed in the tape recording). Sylar wants to find more heroes so he trashes the apartment and was unsuccessful and teleports to his home in india to find more answers. He finds what he's looking for, turns around and Mohinder vanished with his research. He goes back to new york and meets mohinder in the cab. He doesnt kill him cuz he wants mohinder to finish the map. Mohinder eventually does complete the map.

Sylar travels to the future and makes a copy of the map. He also witnessed armageddon and goes back in time possibly to fix it. Sylar's mistakes may also trigger armageddon. while in the future he visits Isaac's studio and takes his brains (because sylar now has the comic book), he also sees his paintings of nathan and peter. He finds them and takes their brain. He also sees paintings of all the other heroes (officer matt parkman). He cant stay in the future cuz it's gonna end. So he goes back in time.

He finds a connection to the little girl through the paintings and comic book (possibly claires biological sister, since it could take weeks to find claires birthparents, sylar uses time travel to shorten the wait). She is a major role in the plot, but i just can't figure it out. He tries to find her and is unsuccessful. Matt finds her via telepathy and is sent to the fbi for safe keeping.

Now if Mr Bennet was an fbi agent, he probably goes the fbi place to find her. His occupation is currently unknown. This is a possible link to his occupation, there are many.

Remember sylar has peter's temporary power mimicry. It is also revealed that he has telekinetic powers because of how he killed the girl's parents (look at the mother's death, and isaac's too). So we might know Micah's secret powers, if he has any (sylar had to get telekinesis from someone?). As he is shot from officer Parkman's gun he temporarely mimics Parkmand telepathy. He is unharmed from the bullets and teleports, flies, or phases out of the scene.

Sylar meets Parkman again at the bar. Parkman cannot read one persons mind. This is possibly a new character. This one might be the antoganist that destroys the world. Sylar knows he has to defeat this new guy.

I assume "the new guy" has extreme powers like Jean Grey/pheonix from xmen.

And i could be totally wrong, but i made a feasable plot line.
Controversyz
Sylar has been killing people for some time now according to the FBI there has been a string of killings --- always a messed up kill, some with their brains taken some not.

I suspect that Sylar is indeed going around killing others who are like him - with powers, but the motivation is not what we are thinking.

I suspect that HRG or some other government agency rep is tracking Sylar, removing the brains after Sylar kills before any local police or FBI can arrive on the scene.

If Sylar wanted that little girl to be dead - she'd be dead.
If Sylar was a mind reader or empath - he would have known she was hiding in the closet.
If Sylar can go back in time - he could have done so and killed the little girl

If Sylar was truly evil, he wouldn't have hesitated with the FBI agent, and he wouldn't be begging for forgiveness.

Sylar is still an enigma, but I don't think he's the ultimate evil force.
Mr. Lithuania
QUOTE (Controversyz @ Oct 10 2006, 12:19 PM) *
Sylar has been killing people for some time now according to the FBI there has been a string of killings --- always a messed up kill, some with their brains taken some not.

I suspect that Sylar is indeed going around killing others who are like him - with powers, but the motivation is not what we are thinking.

I suspect that HRG or some other government agency rep is tracking Sylar, removing the brains after Sylar kills before any local police or FBI can arrive on the scene.

If Sylar wanted that little girl to be dead - she'd be dead.
If Sylar was a mind reader or empath - he would have known she was hiding in the closet.
If Sylar can go back in time - he could have done so and killed the little girl

If Sylar was truly evil, he wouldn't have hesitated with the FBI agent, and he wouldn't be begging for forgiveness.

Sylar is still an enigma, but I don't think he's the ultimate evil force.


Sylar's room fits the general public image of crazed serial killers. I can't see him as a member of a conspiracy, simply because no intelligent person would associate themselves with someone that crazy.

However, evidence seems to point that the HRG organization is allowing him to operate and lead them to the Supers. In addition, I consider it quite possible that it is they, and not Sylar who are removing the brains--not to eat, but to study to look for the DNA link.

My guess is that HRG's organization is a couple years old and quite a few steps ahead of our Heroes. In addition, the guy at the bar's being a blank to the cop seems to indicate that they've already either recruited Supers or that they've found a device that screens against telepaths.

Sylar? TK with or without the ability to "scent" supers. He could merely be using the old Prof's notes to find them. Everything fits--by decreasing the speed of molecules you can freeze them (or by increasing burn 'em, that's where Pyrokinetics come in), you can put out a Force Field to absorb energy from bullets (although from conservation of energy, it'd be enough to knock you down even if the shield was six feet in diameter), you can fly by moving air molecules.

Very hard to fight a TK, since you've got to sneak up on 'em big time. Let's hope he can't scent Supers--it'd be a short series in that case.

Tom
Husker
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It is shown that Sylar has Nikki's doppelganger powers because his apartment was magically cleaned like Nikki's garage.

No, this was not shown. You can jump to that conclusion if you'd like, but one of my theories, based on her reactions, is that the girl with Mohinder is a plant, and whoever she is working for cleaned out the apartment...

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Sylar is still an enigma, but I don't think he's the ultimate evil force.


Agreed. Assuming the guy at the FBI office was Sylar, all that I can legitimately conclude is that he has some type of seriously powerful telekinetic ability. Based on the report from Clea Duvall's character, I think it's also safe to guess, that he hasn't been using a wide array of powers. He doesn't routinely freeze victims, his routine seems to be pinning people to walls and ceilings and impaling them with objects. Everything we saw the man in the FBI office (Sylar?) do can be attributed to telekinesis and nothing more...

And if Sylar does have all these powers, time travel, invincibility, see the future, fly, etc., etc., I'll be very disappointed in the show. Bad enough the issues that can arise out of a time travelling character, but a time travelling character that is jumping back and forth in time to manipulate past and future and has unlimited powers? Wow, talk about a perfect setup for failure in story-telling... I hope they put some limits on Hiro's power that he can only leap to the future and return from whence he came, stop time, teleport, etc. While it doesn't fully eliminate the time travel paradox potential, it certainly avoids some of the most troublesome aspects of time travel sci-fi and fantasy...

Of course, we still don't know who Sylar is. We don't know if the guy in the bar and the guy in the FBI officer are the same person. I've put my jump to conclusions mat away and am merely speculating a lot of possible scenarios. Eliminating the possibilities and refining ideas as new facts are presented, but so far, the facts are few and far between and a lot of circumstantial information that could support many conclusions is arrayed before us...
Guest
QUOTE (sf-cleff @ Oct 10 2006, 03:23 PM) *
I'm assuming after chapter 3, Mr Bennet is an early Sylar and has eaten some of claire's brain. (if that's how he obtains others' powers). She regenerates and no harm is done to his daughter.

i think sylar is the future version of claire's creepy father. HRG (aka mr bennet) already met Chandra Suresh and is aware of the map and his research. And he possibly already has a copy of Chandra Suresh's book. So he presently knows where to find some of heroes. And might have killed Chandra Suresh

His first encounter with another hero is Nikki and Hiro. Why? Hiro already can see the future with the help of his comic book, is currently on his way to las vegas where nikki lives. It is shown that Sylar has Nikki's doppelganger powers because his apartment was magically cleaned like Nikki's garage. So if Sylar is the future version of Mr Bennet, than Mr Bennet will seek out Nikki. He will encounter Hiro because it is his destiny to save nikki from mr lindenburg. Mr Bennet will probably eat her brain and her son's brain (Micah might have telekinesis, which i'll explain later). Hiro tries to rescue her but is unsuccessful. Hiro can't hurt Mr Bennet (now sylar) because of his indestructability, and Sylar's Doppelganger kills Hiro just like Nikki's doppelganger killed mr lindenburg's henchmen. He probably finds her husband and kills him too. DL has phasing powers

Sylar can now teleport and travel threw time (maybe phase). He goes back in space and time to get help from Chandra Suresh. Suresh discovers his powers and tries to not help Sylar, whom ends up murdering him (as maybe revealed in the tape recording). Sylar wants to find more heroes so he trashes the apartment and was unsuccessful and teleports to his home in india to find more answers. He finds what he's looking for, turns around and Mohinder vanished with his research. He goes back to new york and meets mohinder in the cab. He doesnt kill him cuz he wants mohinder to finish the map. Mohinder eventually does complete the map.

Sylar travels to the future and makes a copy of the map. He also witnessed armageddon and goes back in time possibly to fix it. Sylar's mistakes may also trigger armageddon. while in the future he visits Isaac's studio and takes his brains (because sylar now has the comic book), he also sees his paintings of nathan and peter. He finds them and takes their brain. He also sees paintings of all the other heroes (officer matt parkman). He cant stay in the future cuz it's gonna end. So he goes back in time.

He finds a connection to the little girl through the paintings and comic book (possibly claires biological sister, since it could take weeks to find claires birthparents, sylar uses time travel to shorten the wait). She is a major role in the plot, but i just can't figure it out. He tries to find her and is unsuccessful. Matt finds her via telepathy and is sent to the fbi for safe keeping.

Now if Mr Bennet was an fbi agent, he probably goes the fbi place to find her. His occupation is currently unknown. This is a possible link to his occupation, there are many.

Remember sylar has peter's temporary power mimicry. It is also revealed that he has telekinetic powers because of how he killed the girl's parents (look at the mother's death, and isaac's too). So we might know Micah's secret powers, if he has any (sylar had to get telekinesis from someone?). As he is shot from officer Parkman's gun he temporarely mimics Parkmand telepathy. He is unharmed from the bullets and teleports, flies, or phases out of the scene.

Sylar meets Parkman again at the bar. Parkman cannot read one persons mind. This is possibly a new character. This one might be the antoganist that destroys the world. Sylar knows he has to defeat this new guy.

I assume "the new guy" has extreme powers like Jean Grey/pheonix from xmen.

And i could be totally wrong, but i made a feasable plot line.


Oww... my head hurts after trying to figure it out...
Jaygos
QUOTE (Controversyz @ Oct 10 2006, 01:19 PM) *
Sylar has been killing people for some time now according to the FBI there has been a string of killings --- always a messed up kill, some with their brains taken some not.

I suspect that Sylar is indeed going around killing others who are like him - with powers, but the motivation is not what we are thinking.

I suspect that HRG or some other government agency rep is tracking Sylar, removing the brains after Sylar kills before any local police or FBI can arrive on the scene.

If Sylar wanted that little girl to be dead - she'd be dead.
If Sylar was a mind reader or empath - he would have known she was hiding in the closet.
If Sylar can go back in time - he could have done so and killed the little girl

If Sylar was truly evil, he wouldn't have hesitated with the FBI agent, and he wouldn't be begging for forgiveness.

Sylar is still an enigma, but I don't think he's the ultimate evil force.


Maybe the girl has powers of her own. This would explain why he wants her so bad, and also why he is struggling with her in the hallway. Sylar doesn't seem to have had problems with anyone else, aside from being surprised and shot at. Even with that he came away unscathed.
SuperBob
I would agree to some extent. I think Sylar could possibly have everybody's powers, BUT I think, if that's the case, he has to obtain them somehow.

I believe that he has just gained powers from others. He has some of the powers of the other heroes and some that others don't have. I don't think he has all of their powers though. First, it makes sense that there may be people out there with powers that are the same or similar. Sylar has figured out how to find those with powers (which is why he has the map with so many locations on it). He has probably found somebody with Claire's abilities. He got up after being shot. It also makes sense that he found somebody that could fly which is how he could get away like he did. Perhaps, like Rogue from X-men, if he absorbs enough of the person he can gain their power indefinitely. I believe this is Peter's power too. That's why he could fly and draw the future, but he only had limited contact with his brother and with the artist so he can only do it for a limited amount of time.

That's just one of my theories for Sylar. He could also possibly be like Jean Grey of the X-men. This would explain why he can sense others with powers and how he could possibly have telekinesis like results (i.e. pinning people against walls and controlling the movement of the FBI agent's hand). The other option is that he is like Magneto. This would explain the metals that we see him control (the gun, the bullets that "hit" him, the metal that held the mom up against the wall).

I think it is more likely the Rogue or Jean Grey explanation.
Masterlubu
I don't believe the guy at the FBI office was Sylar. I believe Sylar was the black dude at the end that nabbed Matt.

It actually looked to me like HRG was at the FBI office, and he's the one that got shot...well sorta shot.

Granted we are talking about supers and all, so it's possible that Sylar could sneak in. But that chicks room was supposed to be a "safe room". I believe it would take someone connected, and not the cold staring crazy type to get past all the FBI agents at the door/elevator etc.

Sure, he killed the one guy standing guard, but only to buy himself time with the girl. Even with super powers, I have a feeling an entire building of FBI agents could take down one...maybe two.

LOL at Husker - Jump to conclusions mat...thats great ^^

Just some thoughts, loved last nights episode!
cyclops4
QUOTE (Jaygos @ Oct 10 2006, 01:18 PM) *
Maybe the girl has powers of her own. This would explain why he wants her so bad, and also why he is struggling with her in the hallway. Sylar doesn't seem to have had problems with anyone else, aside from being surprised and shot at. Even with that he came away unscathed.



i agree, you mean to tell me he can twist a fbi agents body up in the air but he cant control a young girl. please, she either has powers that neutralize him or he isnt sylar at all. is it convenient that the woman fbi agent brings matt to see the girl who is in a secluded fbi secured room and they just happen to walk up on sylar? i dont think so! i think the person trying to take the little girl is the woman agent at the crime scene from episode 2 which would have been 5 weeks from now.
and to comment on an earlier post, whoever matt shot didnt stop the bullets from hitting him because if you listen carefully when he/she gets up you can hear the bullets hitting the ground as if they are retracting out of his/her body like wolverine would do? just my opinion
davthadude
QUOTE (sf-cleff @ Oct 10 2006, 11:23 AM) *
I'm assuming after chapter 3, Mr Bennet is an early Sylar and has eaten some of claire's brain. (if that's how he obtains others' powers). She regenerates and no harm is done to his daughter.

i think sylar is the future version of claire's creepy father. HRG (aka mr bennet) already met Chandra Suresh and is aware of the map and his research. And he possibly already has a copy of Chandra Suresh's book. So he presently knows where to find some of heroes. And might have killed Chandra Suresh

His first encounter with another hero is Nikki and Hiro. Why? Hiro already can see the future with the help of his comic book, is currently on his way to las vegas where nikki lives. It is shown that Sylar has Nikki's doppelganger powers because his apartment was magically cleaned like Nikki's garage. So if Sylar is the future version of Mr Bennet, than Mr Bennet will seek out Nikki. He will encounter Hiro because it is his destiny to save nikki from mr lindenburg. Mr Bennet will probably eat her brain and her son's brain (Micah might have telekinesis, which i'll explain later). Hiro tries to rescue her but is unsuccessful. Hiro can't hurt Mr Bennet (now sylar) because of his indestructability, and Sylar's Doppelganger kills Hiro just like Nikki's doppelganger killed mr lindenburg's henchmen. He probably finds her husband and kills him too. DL has phasing powers

Sylar can now teleport and travel threw time (maybe phase). He goes back in space and time to get help from Chandra Suresh. Suresh discovers his powers and tries to not help Sylar, whom ends up murdering him (as maybe revealed in the tape recording). Sylar wants to find more heroes so he trashes the apartment and was unsuccessful and teleports to his home in india to find more answers. He finds what he's looking for, turns around and Mohinder vanished with his research. He goes back to new york and meets mohinder in the cab. He doesnt kill him cuz he wants mohinder to finish the map. Mohinder eventually does complete the map.

Sylar travels to the future and makes a copy of the map. He also witnessed armageddon and goes back in time possibly to fix it. Sylar's mistakes may also trigger armageddon. while in the future he visits Isaac's studio and takes his brains (because sylar now has the comic book), he also sees his paintings of nathan and peter. He finds them and takes their brain. He also sees paintings of all the other heroes (officer matt parkman). He cant stay in the future cuz it's gonna end. So he goes back in time.

He finds a connection to the little girl through the paintings and comic book (possibly claires biological sister, since it could take weeks to find claires birthparents, sylar uses time travel to shorten the wait). She is a major role in the plot, but i just can't figure it out. He tries to find her and is unsuccessful. Matt finds her via telepathy and is sent to the fbi for safe keeping.

Now if Mr Bennet was an fbi agent, he probably goes the fbi place to find her. His occupation is currently unknown. This is a possible link to his occupation, there are many.

Remember sylar has peter's temporary power mimicry. It is also revealed that he has telekinetic powers because of how he killed the girl's parents (look at the mother's death, and isaac's too). So we might know Micah's secret powers, if he has any (sylar had to get telekinesis from someone?). As he is shot from officer Parkman's gun he temporarely mimics Parkmand telepathy. He is unharmed from the bullets and teleports, flies, or phases out of the scene.

Sylar meets Parkman again at the bar. Parkman cannot read one persons mind. This is possibly a new character. This one might be the antoganist that destroys the world. Sylar knows he has to defeat this new guy.

I assume "the new guy" has extreme powers like Jean Grey/pheonix from xmen.

And i could be totally wrong, but i made a feasable plot line.




OMG, that was a doozy of a first post, and it wins to me by far the most OUTLANDISH post of the season. Very well thought out, but I probably believe that less than 10% of that which you wrote is true.

I agree with the poster above, Sylar has shown nothing other than Telekenesis, yet we wish to attribute all of these powers to him.

Sylar was NOT in the bar. That man was black, Sylar(at the FBI station) was easily seen as a white male.

You my friend, after that post, might need to take a fresh breath of air break. smile.gif
Masterlubu
QUOTE (davthadude @ Oct 10 2006, 01:38 PM) *
Sylar was NOT in the bar. That man was black, Sylar(at the FBI station) was easily seen as a white male.

You my friend, after that post, might need to take a fresh breath of air break. smile.gif


How do you know Sylar is white again?

My thought is that Sylar is the black man due to the necklace he was wearing, which was the symbol from the theorm, the crazy double sided F thing.

Me thinks you have it backwards.
davthadude
QUOTE (Masterlubu @ Oct 10 2006, 02:50 PM) *
How do you know Sylar is white again?

My thought is that Sylar is the black man due to the necklace he was wearing, which was the symbol from the theorm, the crazy double sided F thing.

Me thinks you have it backwards.



You would thinks wrong. Did you watch the episode? Who knows about Sylar? According to the FBI, about 5 people. Who was one of the FBI agents...The blonde girl. When Matt first showed his power, who did the FBI agents say was responsible for killing the little girls family..Uh, wait a minute...Sylar.

Who killed the guard pretty much in the same way that the lil girls mother was hung on the wall? I'll take Sylar for 300 Alex.

Also, the Blonde FBI girl said, "it's him, It' Sylar" Also, the guy i'm speaking of was white, if you saw the episode you would be able to tell the difference between that guy nad MBG.

You are like many other posters, you got too excited when you saw him wearing the symbol, which we STILL don't know what it is yet, and here comes the Sylar is 20 million other people connections.

The only people that specifically spoke of Sylar are Saresh's son, and the FBI's. Seeing that Saresh son is on the other side of the country, deductive logic would say that because the FBI has ties with Sylar, Sylar would be in close proximity to them.

Unless you just want Sylar to be someone else...You have to kind of be blind to not see it.

Better question, since you know absolutely NOTHING about MBG, besides him wearing the symbol, why do you think he's sylar?

Why isn't Papa Suresh, he had the symbol all over his program. Hell, with your logic, Why not Isaac being Sylar, He paints it in all of his pictures...Why stop there...Why not the pool of the dead family, the symbol was in there too...Maybe the Chlorine is Sylar.

Better, why don't you tie in HBG to Sylar by anything other than the necklace. I'll save you time, You can't.
Brother Bones
In the events that happened with the FBI, the behavior exhibited when killing the FBI agent (lifted and pinned to wall by an unconventional weapon) was the same as at the previous murder scene done by sylar. The person shown was white - you could tell in some shots.
The Alternative One
QUOTE (Mr. Lithuania @ Oct 10 2006, 12:31 PM) *
Sylar's room fits the general public image of crazed serial killers. I can't see him as a member of a conspiracy, simply because no intelligent person would associate themselves with someone that crazy.

However, evidence seems to point that the HRG organization is allowing him to operate and lead them to the Supers. In addition, I consider it quite possible that it is they, and not Sylar who are removing the brains--not to eat, but to study to look for the DNA link.

My guess is that HRG's organization is a couple years old and quite a few steps ahead of our Heroes. In addition, the guy at the bar's being a blank to the cop seems to indicate that they've already either recruited Supers or that they've found a device that screens against telepaths.

Sylar? TK with or without the ability to "scent" supers. He could merely be using the old Prof's notes to find them. Everything fits--by decreasing the speed of molecules you can freeze them (or by increasing burn 'em, that's where Pyrokinetics come in), you can put out a Force Field to absorb energy from bullets (although from conservation of energy, it'd be enough to knock you down even if the shield was six feet in diameter), you can fly by moving air molecules.

Very hard to fight a TK, since you've got to sneak up on 'em big time. Let's hope he can't scent Supers--it'd be a short series in that case.

Tom


While there is a good argument for Sylar's room fitting the public perception of the "crazed serial killer" it is still wanting in an explanation for the religious conotations. And crazy does not always manifest itself in public (John Wayne Gasey and Jeffery Dahmer, for example).

If Sylar is not part of HRG's organization then that might be a good explanation as to why HRG wants Mohinder followed and his apartment bugged. Sylar may have an agenda of his own (rogue evil-doer) and knows more than HRG. HRG would still need some method to understand Dr. Suresh's research.

As the show concerns "Heroes" I would venture to guess that the Mysterious Man from the bar has his own powers and not some device (at least I hope they don't wave that technological wand) but you can never be too sure about these things.

I agree that it would be difficult to defend against a TK though it might be eaiser if that person was in the infancy of understanding how those powers work.

I like the way you are thinking... we need more discussion on this level.

Heroes - Patient Zero

The Alternative One
Kez
I don't think Claire's adoptive father (HRG) is Sylar. In episode 1 he was searching Suresh's place in India, and his cell phone rings. Nobody calls the big boss and says, "so big boss, what's up?" Instead, the big boss calls the minion, in this case HRG, and says, "so, what have you found?"

HRG responded to the call by telling the person on the other end something like I'm in his place right now, he left everything here, notes and whatnot, except for his computer. So either Sylar is on the other end of the conversation, or someone else who is HRG's boss is.
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