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momohero
When Nikki had her heel into the man's skull in the elevator, she Said OUR son. As we have seen in other forums, wiki, etc...her ex husband's power is phasing. I would assume he is phasing into Nikki.
Also, remember in the convertable (last epi) Micah seemed to know they would never catch his father. He seems to know about his phasing ability. Maybe he has read about them in the "9th wonder" comic.
falwynn
QUOTE (momohero @ Oct 17 2006, 10:15 AM) *
When Nikki had her heel into the man's skull in the elevator, she Said OUR son. As we have seen in other forums, wiki, etc...her ex husband's power is phasing. I would assume he is phasing into Nikki.
Also, remember in the convertable (last epi) Micah seemed to know they would never catch his father. He seems to know about his phasing ability. Maybe he has read about them in the "9th wonder" comic.


No, remember it was Nikki's alter-ego saying this. She was referring to herself and Nikki.
Dark Phoenix
QUOTE (Spiderkeg @ Oct 17 2006, 10:09 AM) *
Yeah, I get what you're saying. Nothing specific was said, except "Save the cheerleader" which could apply to a girl who isn't Claire. I could see the writers doing something that twisted.

Though I strongly feel that this isn't the case, based entirely on Issac's paintings of Claire in trouble.

There are also future scenes in which Peter is saying, "This cheerleader is in trouble, we need to save her."

Those were future Hiro's words, right?

"Save the cheerleader. Save the world."


That isn't Hiro saying it. That was a commercial for the next ep. and that was the normal announcer guy.
Graham
QUOTE (falwynn @ Oct 17 2006, 11:21 AM) *
No, remember it was Nikki's alter-ego saying this. She was referring to herself and Nikki.


Perhaps DL is creating her alter-ego by phasing into Nikki and she's not just paranoid schizophrenic like we once thought? I'm chewing on that right now... this is a good discussion, Nikki has to be one of the most mysterious characters on the show other than Sylar at this point.
Dark Phoenix
QUOTE (momohero @ Oct 17 2006, 11:15 AM) *
When Nikki had her heel into the man's skull in the elevator, she Said OUR son. As we have seen in other forums, wiki, etc...her ex husband's power is phasing. I would assume he is phasing into Nikki.
Also, remember in the convertable (last epi) Micah seemed to know they would never catch his father. He seems to know about his phasing ability. Maybe he has read about them in the "9th wonder" comic.



I can't believe I never considered "phasing"! That is an excellent suggestion, and although I'm sure alter-Niki would refer to Micah as her son as well, what if Niki is the one with the abnormal strength and DL knows this and not only can he phase but he can sense when Niki is in trouble and help her (even if that means having her sleep with Nathan to pay off her debt to Linderman). That would also explain why DL and HRG found Nathan and Niki so quickly.

I like it.
wicked_moonwalker
Phasing is being able to walk through walls and solid matter, not actual body snatching. DL's powers are like Shadowcat's from X-Men (the girl that could walk through walls).

It makes since for her alter ego to say our son. I think we're looking into it too much to try and explain if she has powers or not.

Think back to Phoenix from X3, and how the darker side of Jean was VERY POWERFUL and Jean didn't remember what happened when she was Phoenix..

I'm just saying.. phasing is not possession.
jamyp
Last night when Niki first said "our son" I thought that has to be DL in her or something but then when she went to nathan's room and went ahead with the seduction I thought it had to just be Niki B. Now I am just confused. If he was in jail for a while maybe that changed him but I assumed all along that DL is hetero, being married and all. And of all the straight guys I know I don't think any of them would be willing to go that far to repay a debt for someone else, even if they weren't in their own body.
dodgestang
QUOTE (jamyp @ Oct 17 2006, 12:57 PM) *
...I thought that has to be DL in her or something but then when she went to nathan's room and went ahead with the seduction I thought it had to just be Niki B..I don't think any of them would be willing to go that far to repay a debt for someone else...


Maybe he just wanted to know what it was like from a woman's point of view. laugh.gif
MiTYH
meh.. i thought that by our son Niki2 at least was recognizing that there were 2 minds in one body
Psyche
QUOTE (wicked_moonwalker @ Oct 17 2006, 11:51 AM) *
Phasing is being able to walk through walls and solid matter, not actual body snatching. DL's powers are like Shadowcat's from X-Men (the girl that could walk through walls).

It makes since for her alter ego to say our son. I think we're looking into it too much to try and explain if she has powers or not.

Think back to Phoenix from X3, and how the darker side of Jean was VERY POWERFUL and Jean didn't remember what happened when she was Phoenix..

I'm just saying.. phasing is not possession.


It isn't, you're right.

I think it was the two minds, one body thing - shadow Niki considers Micah her son, just like regular Niki.
king bill raaaymond
Have they introduced DL yet? I haven't seen anything on him so far. Also, if this DL was phasing into Nikki as her alter ego, why would he want to go down on Nathan in the casino hotel room? That's kinda gross.

Also, I think Micah is going to figure into the bigger picture more than we think right now. He's a suuuper genius, wise beyond his years. He's gotta play a part in this whole thing.
Jalathas
DL hasn't shown up yet. I'm pretty sure that not-Niki was just referring to herself and Niki when she said "our son."
Jenae
i am just talking out of my butt here, but someone already mentioned that the kids father could be "phasing" or something into niki? is that correct? well, then maybe "niki" isn't the one with the power. that would explain why the one guy said just take the one, because when niki wakes up she will just be niki, no super human powers. this is just food for thought here.
claire is immortal
Dang. There is a disability with people that have more than one personality. When they're in the alternate stage, they can realize that they are not the default personality. And Dl doesn't know he can phase yet since the description says "a prisoner that wakes up with the ability to walk through walls" and we haven't seen the prison yet.
jon
come on, Noone read Dr. Jekyll/Mr. Hyde?

Niki probably also has phenomenal strength as "Hyde"

That's my belief
CrystalSkull
My first impression was that her husband is like her "Mr. Hyde". The evidence in this was when Micah said that his father could never be caught.

-Mark cool.gif
jon
QUOTE (CrystalSkull @ Oct 17 2006, 03:22 PM) *
My first impression was that her husband is like her "Mr. Hyde". The evidence in this was when Micah said that his father could never be caught.

-Mark cool.gif


pfft, no kid will ever say his father will be caught. Maybe he was referring to the supposed phasing ability, you can't grab a guy that your hand can pass through, right?
some guy
QUOTE (Jenae @ Oct 17 2006, 08:44 PM) *
[...] maybe "niki" isn't the one with the power.

It's been confirmed by Kring that both of Micah's parents have abilities.

So no "phasing is possession" theory, thank you smile.gif
psyclonejack
This was my thought, I will admit that before episode 4 I thought DL and Niki might be somehow shoved into the same body. After episode 4 I believe the Hyde/Jeckle approach is better. And who says they haven't taked Niki in for study earlier. If she wasn't in her split state she might have passed the tests to be normal. So they wouldn't be interested in her. Or they might have already taken her once and know what she is capable of, where they haven't studied the dirty congressman yet.

So Jenae, I agree, It will just be a non-super niki waking up and thinking to herself OMG what have I done!

Lets hope she isn't pregnant . . .

QUOTE (Jenae @ Oct 17 2006, 01:44 PM) *
i am just talking out of my butt here, but someone already mentioned that the kids father could be "phasing" or something into niki? is that correct? well, then maybe "niki" isn't the one with the power. that would explain why the one guy said just take the one, because when niki wakes up she will just be niki, no super human powers. this is just food for thought here.


One last thought, you always gather intellegence before you make your move. You have to study all the angles before you can hope to have success in any venture. I do hope claire's adopted father turns out to be one of the good guys. I like his style. Of course, I find myself in love with a lot of bad guys.
Wonderbryy
QUOTE (claire is immortal @ Oct 17 2006, 01:09 PM) *
Dang. There is a disability with people that have more than one personality. When they're in the alternate stage, they can realize that they are not the default personality.


Um, somehow, I do not think that MPD or any other disability equals superpower.
Painter1183
Mores a pity, in my opinion. That would have made for a unique and interesting story.
The Alternative One
When Niki2 said "OUR son" she was not talking about Micah's father. She was talking about the two different Niki's. There is no phase shifting into another character.

And speaking of Micah... I think that he will prove to be very important later on! (A predicition ... nothing more)
Jenae
I am so guliable that whenever I read a post with a new theory I always believe it is true. Probably because I like answers to unanswered questions.
Heroes_Slueth
QUOTE (Graham @ Oct 17 2006, 11:35 AM) *
Perhaps DL is creating her alter-ego by phasing into Nikki and she's not just paranoid schizophrenic like we once thought? I'm chewing on that right now... this is a good discussion, Nikki has to be one of the most mysterious characters on the show other than Sylar at this point.


yeah when i saw the first couple episodes I could not imagine how she could use her "ability" for good. Every superhero show has it's super villains right?
Roadkill
The reason I am utterly convinced that ikkin was talking about the two personalities is because the ikkin in the mirror has always been aware of herself and nikki as two different people. Every time nikki sees ikkin in the mirror, ikkin makes it clear that she is someone else, while still looking nikki in the eye. Therefore, ikkin knows that she is two people, and our refers to these two personalities.

Too long, but it gets the point across >.>
zyron
QUOTE (Heroes_Slueth @ Oct 20 2006, 07:45 PM) *
yeah when i saw the first couple episodes I could not imagine how she could use her "ability" for good. Every superhero show has it's super villains right?



D.L. shows up for a second in next weeks ep, and will be in it more the follow week.

It will be very interesting to see what happens.
Bobtheworm
This post is as Bad as the "Peter is Sylar" post! I will now officially add that whenever someone else meantions that Evil Nikki is DL phased into her body, we all have to take a shot!
Heroes_Slueth
I don't know though I just can't see Niki going evil with as much love as she has for her son. I don't think she'd want to set a bad example for her little genius.

We'll have to see what D.L. is like what kind of criminal he is how he uses his power and how he and Niki interact.

That'll be pretty cool. Micah loves his Mom and Dad
JenI
Also, I think Micah is going to figure into the bigger picture more than we think right now. He's a suuuper genius, wise beyond his years. He's gotta play a part in this whole thing.
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I think that Micha will be the one to work out the massive code that Mohinder found on his portable hard drive
JenI
I've been thinking very hard on the topic of DL and Nikki and something dawned on me...
Think back to the episode where Nikki goes home to find the clean up of her garage and her new car.
In the car she finds a note with a map showing her exactly where to go to burry the bodies in the trunk.
Now when she gets to that spot she finds a shovel and starts to dig. What does she find? The body of her husbands fellow "gang" member, or whatever you want to call them.
We know this because of the scene where she is at her mother in law's house.
The skull ring that she found on the decomposed body was the same ring that the "gang" members wore.
That scene stands out to me because of the last few seconds when Nikki says to her mother in law "You have no idea what I am capable of."
At this point Nikki walks away and we are left watching her mother in law who has a rather knowing look on her face that says to me "...And you don't know that I remember all those things that you do not."
I think DL's mother is somehow connected to Nikki's alter ego.
What do you guys think?
This might also explaine how Micha knows that his father is innoscent of the previous crimes. (Grandma killed that man in the desert) ...being how grandma knew the perfect place to burry the new bodies, being how the shovel ended up in the middle of the desert..
semihsession
QUOTE (falwynn @ Oct 17 2006, 09:21 AM) *
No, remember it was Nikki's alter-ego saying this. She was referring to herself and Nikki.


i think the same way... pretty logical good call...
Rasputin
Interesting theory, but that's a lot to pull from one "knowing look"

simpler theory

Niki says "you have no idea what I'm capable of"

+ DL's Mom gives knowing look.

______________________________________

DL's mom knows very much so what Niki is capable of if not to full extent


Yeah, it's lame, but the mental path there has less twists
Dunc
QUOTE (CrystalSkull @ Oct 17 2006, 09:22 PM) *
My first impression was that her husband is like her "Mr. Hyde". The evidence in this was when Micah said that his father could never be caught.

-Mark cool.gif
That's not evidence, that's a sentence! That could quite easily mean, he can never been caught because he walked through my bedroom wall the other night to come and see me, and explained how with this ability they'll never catch him.
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