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9th Wonders Boards > Episode Discussions > Season One > #5: "Hiros"
jaydude4c
Ok, so now it's Peter giving the message... what do you see coming next?
Altair
He's going to tell him what the Hiro from the future did.
Netsfan5
In the preview, Peter is saying save the cheerleader save the world. How ironic... smile.gif
jettasian
QUOTE (Netsfan5 @ Oct 23 2006, 08:11 PM) *
In the preview, Peter is saying save the cheerleader save the world. How ironic... smile.gif



Darn, Canadian Global NEVER show the preview, I don't understand why...that' really bugs me.

Whatelse was in the preview?
jettasian
I guess is Peter will ask Hiro to meet them, for the first time...then maybe find a way to find the cheerleader?

Wait, if Peter and Hiro meet, does that mean they will BOTH travel through time and do something? That'd be so cool!
roxygr1223
kind of confusing`
MADLION
QUOTE (Altair @ Oct 23 2006, 09:08 PM) *
He's going to tell him what the Hiro from the future did.



SIMPLE: HE'LL TELL HIRO WHERE HE AND ISAAC ARE LOCATED: LIKE THE FUTURE HIRO INSTRUCTED HIM TO.
wrathfulgrape
edited...im posting my theory in Speculation forum..i dont want to spoil anthing for West Coasters
FiddleSticks
Madlion> Why would he tell Hiro that? Hiro already knows...he went to Isaac's apartment in the future remember? Isaac's address is written in the back of the comic Hiro 'bought' in the future.
Chrifu
Oh my goodness! Yay!

Likes and Dislikes for this week's episode:

Likes:
Nathan's flying, Hiro and Nathan's meeting, HRG coming to the rescue[although I'm still definitely on the fence as to whether or not he's good], Brody's mashed up-ness, Peter finishing the painting, Matt's break down in the store, Ando's silliness in finding Niki, and me suddenly liking Niki alot more. I think she's definitely getting in touch with her alter ego, and balancing things out.

Dislikes:
CLIFFHANGERS!, the scenes between Matt and his wife, not seeing much of Claire, and the corniness of "Save the Cheerleader, save the world!"

I loved the entire thing, and it just keeps getting better and better.
Phoenix17
I think Peter and Isaac will meet Hiro and Ando in Texas once they figure out who Claire is and where she's at.
Lisa
Time travel is one of those things that I try not to think about to much or else it gives me a headache. But, it was very cool how Peter and Hiro switched roles at the end. Very cool indeed.
Super DJ
its unclear WHY "Future Hiro" needed to come back to give Peter the message...perhaps it was more of just a way of GUIDING him at the right moment than anything else, as, once Mohinder bailed on him, he would have been lost as to what to do...Future Hiro only gave him a slight PUSH...by proving to him that it was all REAL with the time freeze, then giving him the direction to try and connect with Isaac again and then findaing a way to hook up with and direct the "Present Hiro" to meet up with them, and from there find and save the cheerleader...and save the world.

Remember folks, this is very much based on comic book style fantasy stories, so dont expect EVERYTHING to have "logic" behind it...sometimes something happens just to make it a more exciting, interesting STORY than for any real world NEED for said event...perhaps the Heroes would have banded together and saved the world WITHOUT the message from Futue Hiro, but getting that little insight into how Hiro progresses with his powers and persona more than makes up for any time travel twists the event raises, lol...
Apee
Hmm no i think.. hiro he can go to the future and return.. prehaps when he came back to the subway.. something in the future didnt add up or petter didnt save the cheerleader because he never saw issac.. so the message to peter from hiro.. be the one we need" yea petter was always talking about him self being ment for something big.. so the future hiro.. needs to bring petter..issac.. (Present hiro and friend) and claire all together.. they needed to meet for the peices to cometogether, and im th inking the message to hiro from petter is something about them needing to find claire..
MDC
time travel makes my brain ache also . Speculation would be that future hiro couldnt save the world from the event that is about to happen. Future hiro meets Peter at a difrent time then what is transpiring now and relizes that Peter would be the ideal canidate to save the world fromt his event. So he goes back in time and warns peter and asks him " to be the one we need" , which suggests that the "team" was incomplete to begin with. Now Future hiro has put into motion a better plan of action and helped everyone come toghter faster then what previously happened in his time.

it wasnt enough that he saw what will happen. We assume that he tryed to stop this from happening but couldnt do it. Knowlege is power and Hiro knew he could change the past in this way. Maybe Peter got the scar from the blast . maybe hiro lost his arm ( pure speculation on that part) to the blast trying to stop it.
Super DJ
QUOTE (MDC @ Oct 24 2006, 03:56 AM) *
time travel makes my brain ache also . Speculation would be that future hiro couldnt save the world from the event that is about to happen. Future hiro meets Peter at a difrent time then what is transpiring now and relizes that Peter would be the ideal canidate to save the world fromt his event. So he goes back in time and warns peter and asks him " to be the one we need" , which suggests that the "team" was incomplete to begin with. Now Future hiro has put into motion a better plan of action and helped everyone come toghter faster then what previously happened in his time.

it wasnt enough that he saw what will happen. We assume that he tryed to stop this from happening but couldnt do it. Knowlege is power and Hiro knew he could change the past in this way. Maybe Peter got the scar from the blast . maybe hiro lost his arm ( pure speculation on that part) to the blast trying to stop it.



excellent theory.

Most time travel stories are based on the theory of "Infinite Universes"..IE that for every single action that takes place in the universe, and alternate universe exists where that action did NOT take place, or vice versa...for instance, in some other time line universe JFK never got shot or someone managed to stop 9/11, or there's a world where Hitler won WWII and took over the world...etc.

So the possibility that "Future Hiro" came from an ALTERNATE future timeline, a future where the bomb was NOT stopped and the world was thrown into some apocalyptic future...well, its POSSIBLE anyway...
trianglman
QUOTE (MDC @ Oct 23 2006, 10:56 PM) *
time travel makes my brain ache also . Speculation would be that future hiro couldnt save the world from the event that is about to happen. Future hiro meets Peter at a difrent time then what is transpiring now and relizes that Peter would be the ideal canidate to save the world fromt his event. So he goes back in time and warns peter and asks him " to be the one we need" , which suggests that the "team" was incomplete to begin with. Now Future hiro has put into motion a better plan of action and helped everyone come toghter faster then what previously happened in his time.

it wasnt enough that he saw what will happen. We assume that he tryed to stop this from happening but couldnt do it. Knowlege is power and Hiro knew he could change the past in this way. Maybe Peter got the scar from the blast . maybe hiro lost his arm ( pure speculation on that part) to the blast trying to stop it.


I don't know if this is completely right. I seem to remember (I wish I remembered the quote exactly) Hiro saying something about pushing the limit by talking to Peter. I think Hiro is from this timeline and knew Peter needed to be pushed at just the right moment to be in the right place to talk to Hiro, paint the picture and get everyone together in Odessa. A little bit of the butterfly effect in my estimation.
Hazelnutmegan
QUOTE (trianglman @ Oct 23 2006, 10:30 PM) *
I don't know if this is completely right. I seem to remember (I wish I remembered the quote exactly) Hiro saying something about pushing the limit by talking to Peter. I think Hiro is from this timeline and knew Peter needed to be pushed at just the right moment to be in the right place to talk to Hiro, paint the picture and get everyone together in Odessa. A little bit of the butterfly effect in my estimation.



He said he was "risking a rift" by even talking to Peter - I'm assuming that's a rift in the time/space continuum. And was his arm missing? I didn't catch that.
Caffeinedd
QUOTE (MDC @ Oct 23 2006, 10:56 PM) *
time travel makes my brain ache also . Speculation would be that future hiro couldnt save the world from the event that is about to happen. Future hiro meets Peter at a difrent time then what is transpiring now and relizes that Peter would be the ideal canidate to save the world fromt his event. So he goes back in time and warns peter and asks him " to be the one we need" , which suggests that the "team" was incomplete to begin with. Now Future hiro has put into motion a better plan of action and helped everyone come toghter faster then what previously happened in his time.

it wasnt enough that he saw what will happen. We assume that he tryed to stop this from happening but couldnt do it. Knowlege is power and Hiro knew he could change the past in this way. Maybe Peter got the scar from the blast . maybe hiro lost his arm ( pure speculation on that part) to the blast trying to stop it.


I sort of agree that the team may have been incomplete to begin with. I don't think Future Hiro even ever met the cheerleader, but found Isaac and his paintings of Claire. When Isaac and FH meet up in this alternate timeline, they realize they need to find this cheerleader, but never do. Otherwise, Hiro should have said, "Hey Peter, find this chick Claire!" Not just "find the cheerleader..."
roxygr1223
cuz to me it seems that the cheerleader may be dead in his future, hence the warrior ninja costume...maybe he is trying to get them to save her so everything will be ok, any way, his future with him looking like that is surely dark
Disposable Hero
Like Hazelnutmegan pointed out, Future Hiro did say he was "risking a rift" even talking to Peter. I am assuming if Future Hiro gave Peter too much information about Claire he could've caused a time rift.
roxygr1223
my thoughts exactly
Ard_Choille
QUOTE (Caffeinedd @ Oct 24 2006, 12:58 AM) *
I sort of agree that the team may have been incomplete to begin with. I don't think Future Hiro even ever met the cheerleader, but found Isaac and his paintings of Claire. When Isaac and FH meet up in this alternate timeline, they realize they need to find this cheerleader, but never do. Otherwise, Hiro should have said, "Hey Peter, find this chick Claire!" Not just "find the cheerleader..."
Weren't the pictures in Isaac's place when Hiro went there the first time?

There's no telling how many times Hiro has gone to the future to check them out. That one was probably unfinished because Peter never went to see Isaac that night in the first timeline. I'd be interested to see what paintings were there in that earlier episode.
Godpleaser07
QUOTE (trianglman @ Oct 23 2006, 11:30 PM) *
I don't know if this is completely right. I seem to remember (I wish I remembered the quote exactly) Hiro saying something about pushing the limit by talking to Peter. I think Hiro is from this timeline and knew Peter needed to be pushed at just the right moment to be in the right place to talk to Hiro, paint the picture and get everyone together in Odessa. A little bit of the butterfly effect in my estimation.


Hiro said that he risked causing a rift (in the S/T Continuem). He told Peter that when Hiro called, to tell him about when they first meet, which was of course, on the subway. I just love the Burrito effect of time travel theorum. For the present Hiro, the event hadn't happened yet, because it happened for him in the future, but for Peter it was the present... LOL *Room spins around in circles..*

I totally love this show!
Ard_Choille
Hmm. I guess the way I heard it was. "When I call, tell me where we need to meet" ... meaning ... to save the Cheerleader.
AnimalMother
reading all of this is making my brain turn into jello... thats why this show rules.
indaheros
QUOTE (Ard_Choille @ Oct 24 2006, 05:49 AM) *
Hmm. I guess the way I heard it was. "When I call, tell me where we need to meet" ... meaning ... to save the Cheerleader.


The whole reason I see for future Hiro to come back to tell Peter what he did was for Peter to go back to Isaac's.

Isaac would NEVER have answered that phone and talked to present Hiro without that push from future Hiro.

Hiro must have a LOT of enemies in the future, since he can do what he just did... undo evil before it even becomes evil. Although he can NOT do it alone, hence he is now looking for help.
Keshire
We can probably accurately deduce that:

Peter never goes back to Isaac.
Isaac Dies. (head trauma wink.gif )
Cheerleader Dies. (same)

The rest can't stop a worldwide catastrophe. (Peter garners his scar)

Band together and come up with a plan to force events to happen prematurely.

I'm betting that Hiro has to pick and choose what info he gives because if things wildly differ enough he breaks the continum. (Remember time is a circle according to Hiro)

By going back he:
Saves Isaac
Saves Claire
brings the Heroes together sooner

yada yada.
Original C-DUB
i don't know why people are saying that hiro lost his arm. I just replayed the beginning of "Chapter Five: Hiros" and he has both of his arms, hands, and all 10 fingers. So where did this thing about him losing his arm come from?
heroesuk
QUOTE (Keshire @ Oct 24 2006, 07:53 AM) *
We can probably accurately deduce that:

Peter never goes back to Isaac.
Isaac Dies. (head trauma wink.gif )
Cheerleader Dies. (same)

The rest can't stop a worldwide catastrophe. (Peter garners his scar)

Band together and come up with a plan to force events to happen prematurely.

I'm betting that Hiro has to pick and choose what info he gives because if things wildly differ enough he breaks the continum. (Remember time is a circle according to Hiro)

By going back he:
Saves Isaac
Saves Claire
brings the Heroes together sooner

yada yada.



I think you've got a very good reason there, for why Hiro chooses Peter on the train. With Mohinder's sceptism, Peter would have reached a dead end..and his only contact would be Nathan, assuming Mohinder dissuaded Peter from believing Isaac could paint the future
Greg T from CT
QUOTE (Ard_Choille @ Oct 24 2006, 01:49 AM) *
Hmm. I guess the way I heard it was. "When I call, tell me where we need to meet" ... meaning ... to save the Cheerleader.



What i heard was: "When I call, tell me where we first met"
The Alternative One
QUOTE (trianglman @ Oct 23 2006, 11:30 PM) *
I don't know if this is completely right. I seem to remember (I wish I remembered the quote exactly) Hiro saying something about pushing the limit by talking to Peter. I think Hiro is from this timeline and knew Peter needed to be pushed at just the right moment to be in the right place to talk to Hiro, paint the picture and get everyone together in Odessa. A little bit of the butterfly effect in my estimation.


Hiro said he was taking a chance in risking a rift if he stayed too long. This is why he wasn't able to tell Peter more about what was going to happen. If you had a limited time to convey a message you'd need to do it concisely, precisely and with as few embellishments as possible.
DarkHeroJ
Peter is gonna tell Hiro to meet htm on odessa texas in the homecoming of clair to stop sylar from killing claire. Hiro teleports after the whole thing is over cause in the picture issac drew of Hiro & Ando the homecoming banner had blood on it already and they both looked shocked and suprised at what happned. (look at their faces) Then Hiro meets Peter FOR THE FIRST TIME (thats where HIRO first met Peter. not the other way around.) and peter aleady had a scar from what happened there so Hiro never met Peter without it which can explain why future hiro didntrecognize peter without the scar.
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