heroewatch
Oct 23 2006, 06:08 PM
Did anyone notice that someone was smudging or erasing the painting, what was underneath? It flew by so fast, anyone got a screencap of it?
SteveNC
Oct 23 2006, 06:11 PM
it was the half DNA helix, that Nikki has a tattoo of on her shoulder and DL has a pendant of on his necklace.
heroewatch
Oct 23 2006, 06:14 PM
it was the half DNA helix, that Nikki has a tattoo of on her shoulder and DL has a pendant of on his necklace.
Thanks alot!
khufu
Oct 23 2006, 06:12 PM
Well, it looked like the "symbol"... go figure /sigh

The symbol has to have all the answers (i.e. RNA/DNA something like that0.
heroewatch
Oct 23 2006, 06:19 PM
"I wonder if Issac is irritated at all that Peter can use his powers more easily than he can? IE clean?"
Issac looked kinda perplexed and just kinda half shocked when Peter was finished painting. I wonder why Issac still can't paint without shooting up. Is his gift still dormant? Or did the drug use mess up his gift so that now he can only paint when he's drugged?
Erikexalted
Oct 23 2006, 06:14 PM
I wonder if Issac is irritated at all that Peter can use his powers more easily than he can? IE clean?
jon
Oct 23 2006, 06:24 PM
QUOTE (Erikexalted @ Oct 23 2006, 09:14 PM)

I wonder if Issac is irritated at all that Peter can use his powers more easily than he can? IE clean?
Maybe Issac can use them clean, only he hasn't tried. Or maybe he can use them on the drugs or completely off of them (he'd have to detox for a while to get them out of his system)
Chrifu
Oct 23 2006, 06:29 PM
I think Isaac was shocked overall that some else could use his power like that. I know I was shocked at the ease that Peter did it with, but their powers are growing so much everday. Look at Hiro and Nathan. Nathan was going pretty damn fast.
Heroes_Slueth
Oct 23 2006, 06:30 PM
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it was the half DNA helix, that Nikki has a tattoo of on her shoulder and DL has a pendant of on his necklace.
D.L. does not wear the Helix pendant MBG does. it was Issac "uncovering" the helix. I guess they're going to start trying to explain what it means.
MDC
Oct 23 2006, 06:32 PM
that scene with him shooting in the air and bursting off into the distance was awsome .. but it makes you wonder how and when he learned how to do this while running for congress
heroewatch
Oct 23 2006, 06:34 PM
QUOTE (Chrifu @ Oct 23 2006, 10:29 PM)

I think Isaac was shocked overall that some else could use his power like that. I know I was shocked at the ease that Peter did it with, but their powers are growing so much everday. Look at Hiro and Nathan. Nathan was going pretty damn fast.
I think Issace also was shocked and on top of it all Peter didn't even have to paint to see the future which was amazing. I thought Issac just painted blindly but it seems that he sees what he's going to paint beforehand, (although he's so drugged up he wouldn't remember that part). It was really cool to see how they unveiled both Issac's and Peter's gift.
heroewatch
Oct 23 2006, 06:38 PM
QUOTE (MDC @ Oct 23 2006, 10:32 PM)

that scene with him shooting in the air and bursting off into the distance was awsome .. but it makes you wonder how and when he learned how to do this while running for congress

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Amazing exactly. He seems as if he's been flying for a long time but since he had political aspirations, he kept it quiet. Wait till he find out Peter can do better!
MDC
Oct 23 2006, 06:39 PM
so whats peters "true" gift ? so far i have seen him levitate and finish a picture of the future , he didnt actualy predict the future. The white eyes suggested he could see into the future .. but maybe its a precurser to something else... just some food for thought
Heroes_Slueth
Oct 23 2006, 06:40 PM
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Something tells me that Nathan knew he could fly a long time ago. Thats why it seems Nathan knew how to burst off like that
Ditto Nathans full of secrets and the show hasn't spent much time trying to show us how he's discovering/dealing with his power so maybe he already has.
milkfork
Oct 23 2006, 06:35 PM
i believe it came quite naturally to nathan. he seems to only want to deal with flying when it's his last resort. and it looked badass.
Viper
Oct 23 2006, 06:36 PM
Something tells me that Nathan knew he could fly a long time ago. Thats why it seems Nathan knew how to burst off like that. As for Isaac, to him I think he believe that he can only access his ability when hes high. Now that he seen Peter do it with ease he'll might give it a try without it.
Chrifu
Oct 23 2006, 06:40 PM
QUOTE (Viper @ Oct 23 2006, 09:36 PM)

Something tells me that Nathan knew he could fly a long time ago. Thats why it seems Nathan knew how to burst off like that.
Well, in one of the comics, Nathan flies and saves a woman from a burning building. And when he was chatting with Niki, he talked about flying for real, so he's definitely flying solo on the side. I wonder what HRG and MBG wanted with him... And what'd they do with Matt?
scifantasyx
Oct 23 2006, 06:43 PM
It's the symbol of Heroes. If you look carefully throughout the episodes, it's everywhere. It was in the code that Mohinder's father created. It was in the pool at the crime scene where we first meet Matt. It was on Claire's text book. It was everywhere. And the tattoo only appeared when she switched to her other self.
QUOTE (Heroes_Slueth @ Oct 23 2006, 10:40 PM)

Ditto Nathans full of secrets and the show hasn't spent much time trying to show us how he's discovering/dealing with his power so maybe he already has.
If you read the online comic, you would know that he already knew he could fly.
Rasputin
Oct 23 2006, 06:48 PM
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so whats peters "true" gift ? so far i have seen him levitate and finish a picture of the future , he didnt actualy predict the future. The white eyes suggested he could see into the future .. but maybe its a precurser to something else... just some food for thought
Peter is an empath. Whenever he's around someone with abilities, he can utilize those abilities. on his own, he kinda sucks. but he is the most versatile member of the group.
I'm waiting for him to hang around Niki. Then we'll see a bada$$ Peter B side to him.
HeXt
Oct 23 2006, 06:52 PM
QUOTE (Rasputin @ Oct 23 2006, 10:48 PM)

Peter is an empath. Whenever he's around someone with abilities, he can utilize those abilities. on his own, he kinda sucks. but he is the most versatile member of the group.
I'm waiting for him to hang around Niki. Then we'll see a bada$$ Peter B side to him.
Maybe thats where the scar comes from
heroewatch
Oct 23 2006, 06:52 PM
QUOTE (Rasputin @ Oct 23 2006, 10:48 PM)

Peter is an empath. Whenever he's around someone with abilities, he can utilize those abilities. on his own, he kinda sucks. but he is the most versatile member of the group.
I'm waiting for him to hang around Niki. Then we'll see a bada$$ Peter B side to him.
[size=2]Noticed how when Peter was with Issac he saw the future in the painting before he actually painted, but when he was with future Hiro he didn't seem to sense that he could change time? I wonder why he didn't seem to sense that he could change time also?
Chrifu
Oct 23 2006, 06:55 PM
QUOTE (heroewatch @ Oct 23 2006, 09:52 PM)

[size=2]Noticed how when Peter was with Issac he saw the future in the painting before he actually painted, but when he was with future Hiro he didn't seem to sense that he could change time? I wonder why he didn't seem to sense that he could change time also?
He was probably in shock. Maybe the time freeze takes more energy then Peter has right now. In Hiro's blog, he talks about how he is earning more 'mana' so it probably takes alot to do his stuff.
heroewatch
Oct 23 2006, 06:58 PM
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He was probably in shock. Maybe the time freeze takes more energy then Peter has right now. In Hiro's blog, he talks about how he is earning more 'mana' so it probably takes alot to do his stuff.
What does earning more "mana" mean?
MDC
Oct 23 2006, 06:58 PM
QUOTE (heroewatch @ Oct 23 2006, 10:52 PM)

[size=2]Noticed how when Peter was with Issac he saw the future in the painting before he actually painted, but when he was with future Hiro he didn't seem to sense that he could change time? I wonder why he didn't seem to sense that he could change time also?
remeber Hiro having so much trouble learning his powers , maybe the actual "use" of the skill requiers ... skill ! so using hiros time/space power would requier peter to actualy understand it and how to use it. The other times Peter used others powers were in a hightened state ( emotinal) maybe peter dosnt know excately what he can do yet. Explains why he had this fixation with being able to fly thinkinh that that was his true calling.
Chrifu
Oct 23 2006, 07:03 PM
Mana, or mp, is a way of measuring energy available for special moves in video games. Hiro is a geek, so he'd use video game terminology like that.
MADLION
Oct 23 2006, 07:04 PM
QUOTE (Heroes_Slueth @ Oct 23 2006, 09:40 PM)

Ditto Nathans full of secrets and the show hasn't spent much time trying to show us how he's discovering/dealing with his power so maybe he already has.
I'M THINKING HRG IS SOMEHOW CAUSING THEIR POWERS TO MANIFEST THEMSELVES MORE RAPIDLY. MAYBE HE HAS SOME IDEA OF WHAT'S COMING OR MAYBE HE'S GETTING THESE GUYS READY TO FACE SYLAR
MDC
Oct 23 2006, 07:05 PM
"mana" (right now ) is a refrence to popular video game genres like dungeons and dragons where "wizards" need a certain amount of energy to cast "spells" Google mmorpgs and they can explain mana in a more definitive term.
Chrifu
Oct 23 2006, 07:07 PM
"I'M THINKING HRG IS SOMEHOW CAUSING THEIR POWERS TO MANIFEST THEMSELVES MORE RAPIDLY. MAYBE HE HAS SOME IDEA OF WHAT'S COMING OR MAYBE HE'S GETTING THESE GUYS READY TO FACE SYLAR"
It's possibly, maybe that's why he adopted Claire. I've been wondering why he hasn't messed with her yet, or maybe he has already.
heroewatch
Oct 23 2006, 07:06 PM
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remeber Hiro having so much trouble learning his powers , maybe the actual "use" of the skill requiers ... skill ! so using hiros time/space power would requier peter to actualy understand it and how to use it. The other times Peter used others powers were in a hightened state ( emotinal) maybe peter dosnt know excately what he can do yet. Explains why he had this fixation with being able to fly thinkinh that that was his true calling.
Hiro seemed to know what his power was from the beginning and went for it. True, Peter didn't and may still not know what his gift is. I don't think he does but will figure it out. Hiro does seem to have one of the most powerful gifts and the way he squints his eyes and looks like he's going to have a brain aneurysm lol, does seem to show he has to concentrate alot.
MADLION
Oct 23 2006, 07:08 PM
QUOTE (Chrifu @ Oct 23 2006, 10:07 PM)

"I'M THINKING HRG IS SOMEHOW CAUSING THEIR POWERS TO MANIFEST THEMSELVES MORE RAPIDLY. MAYBE HE HAS SOME IDEA OF WHAT'S COMING OR MAYBE HE'S GETTING THESE GUYS READY TO FACE SYLAR"
It's possibly, maybe that's why he adopted Claire. I've been wondering why he hasn't messed with her yet, or maybe he has already.
NOTICE HOW MORE POWERFUL MATT BECOME IN THIS EPISODE?
Chrifu
Oct 23 2006, 07:15 PM
Yeah, but I'm not sure that it's due to HRG. Matt had been reading his wife's mind all day, and he had been secluded with her all day. So practice with one mind is good, but when he's surrounded by other minds and isn't used to them yet, he'll break down. I don't know yet if HRG is manipulating the Heroes, I think he's just studying them. But who knows.
heroewatch
Oct 23 2006, 07:40 PM
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I don't know yet if HRG is manipulating the Heroes, I think he's just studying them. But who knows.
What is HRG so far advanced in his knowlege of the Heroes? Even more so than Dr. Suresh was it seems.
heroewatch
Oct 23 2006, 08:28 PM
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The other times Peter used others powers were in a hightened state ( emotinal) maybe peter dosnt know excately what he can do yet. Explains why he had this fixation with being able to fly thinkinh that that was his true calling.
Peter's dealing with Nathan his brother must have been the cause of his dreams of flying and thinking he could fly. Now that we know Peter can absorb or mimic the powers of the other heroes, I just wonder how long does that last? Do they have to be with him constantly and near or does the effect last at least a few hours. If not for a few hours, that would kinda be pitiful, although still a good power to have.
Da Brain Snatcher
Oct 23 2006, 09:23 PM
QUOTE (heroewatch @ Oct 24 2006, 12:28 AM)

Peter's dealing with Nathan his brother must have been the cause of his dreams of flying and thinking he could fly. Now that we know Peter can absorb or mimic the powers of the other heroes, I just wonder how long does that last? Do they have to be with him constantly and near or does the effect last at least a few hours. If not for a few hours, that would kinda be pitiful, although still a good power to have.
well he said in this episode that i drew the future when i first met you.. but thst was hours after he met Issac that he drew the stick figure of him hoving in the air... and did you nothice that he saw the rest of the painting and his eyes was not fully white.. i just think peter have more potential than what they showing that he can do in these few episode... remember that's just episode 5...
Heroes_Slueth
Oct 23 2006, 09:57 PM
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Yeah, but I'm not sure that it's due to HRG. Matt had been reading his wife's mind all day, and he had been secluded with her all day. So practice with one mind is good, but when he's surrounded by other minds and isn't used to them yet, he'll break down. I don't know yet if HRG is manipulating the Heroes, I think he's just studying them. But who knows.
Yeah the thing that got me was if they had wiped Matt's mind clean of the realization of his power then why didn't he seem surprised at all when he could read his wifes mind. If you remember the first time he heard Molly at the crime scene he freaked out he was looking around and everything but now he seems totally comfortable that he can hear peoples thoughts. So then what did Phil and MBG really take away?
Hiro-Worship
Oct 23 2006, 10:09 PM
QUOTE (Heroes_Slueth @ Oct 23 2006, 10:57 PM)

Yeah the thing that got me was if they had wiped Matt's mind clean of the realization of his power then why didn't he seem surprised at all when he could read his wifes mind. If you remember the first time he heard Molly at the crime scene he freaked out he was looking around and everything but now he seems totally comfortable that he can hear peoples thoughts. So then what did Phil and MBG really take away?
Did it say that's what they supposedly took from Matt? I thought that they just took away his memory of what they did to him.
The Gunzlingr
Oct 24 2006, 05:05 AM
QUOTE (MADLION @ Oct 23 2006, 10:04 PM)

I'M THINKING HRG IS SOMEHOW CAUSING THEIR POWERS TO MANIFEST THEMSELVES MORE RAPIDLY. MAYBE HE HAS SOME IDEA OF WHAT'S COMING OR MAYBE HE'S GETTING THESE GUYS READY TO FACE SYLAR
I like this theory. I think if he was up to no good, he would have just wasted Brody instead of having MBG wipe his mind.
Knaz
Oct 24 2006, 06:02 AM
QUOTE (Heroes_Slueth @ Oct 23 2006, 10:40 PM)

Ditto Nathans full of secrets and the show hasn't spent much time trying to show us how he's discovering/dealing with his power so maybe he already has.
I completely agree after seeing last night's episode. Based on the comic, Nathan's conversation with Nikki and his escape from HRG and MBG I think he's known about his ability to fly for quite some time. It's just something he chose to keep as a secret. And now it seems he has to keep using his ability which is frustrating because he just wants to be "normal".
Briar
Oct 24 2006, 06:33 AM
hmm
Peter can't activly borrow a power unless he knows how hte power functions to someone he's near.
probally from long term exposure he can borrow his brother's power, and notice he still can't do "it" at will, because he doesn't really understand "it".
yet when he finishes issac's painting, he "knew" issac could paint the future, thus he could focus on "it".
so probally if he was near his brother and then focused on levitating or flying (instead of going to an emotional outbust) he could probally refine control.
i didn't notice a connection between the power = owners health. i assumed nathan was politely coughing to get peter's attention, and issac was cough because... well... its a cold rainy night and he sitting in his dark appartment with just a blanket and a pair of pants. not to mention he is taking heavy duty drugs so... i wouldn't say thats too far.
Ksco
Oct 24 2006, 06:57 AM
QUOTE (Heroes_Slueth @ Oct 23 2006, 10:40 PM)

Ditto Nathans full of secrets and the show hasn't spent much time trying to show us how he's discovering/dealing with his power so maybe he already has.
Nathan has been doing some flying that isn't in the show. If you read the Heroes comic it shows what goes on between shows.
HolyHellraiser
Oct 24 2006, 09:14 AM
peter has shown that isaac's power isn't dependant on drugs hes just to messed up when hes off them to use his powers maybe after some detox he could controll his powers better
i think peter absorbs peoples powers but their hightened/weakened to his level of controll over his power so when he met future hiro he should of gained some time power but since time controll is probably very difficult and since the whole thing left him very shaken i doubt he even though about using it and if he did i think at best all he could do is stop a clock for a sec
heroewatch
Oct 27 2006, 03:54 AM
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well he said in this episode that i drew the future when i first met you.. but thst was hours after he met Issac that he drew the stick figure of him hoving in the air... and did you nothice that he saw the rest of the painting and his eyes was not fully white.. i just think peter have more potential than what they showing that he can do in these few episode... remember that's just episode 5...
Interesting, so Peter can retain some power hours after contact with another Hero. Yes, I did notice his eyes did not appear white until he started painting if I recall correctly. Does this imply that he "zones out" like Issac zones out from his drug usage before painting the future? I wonder if Peter's mimic powers took over and if he really knew what he was doing while he was actually painting. Maybe this implies that Issac really has to zone out in order to paint, hence his drug usage, although somehow drugs=powers for Issac doesn't seem too politically correct.
Foenix
Oct 27 2006, 03:57 AM
I don't think he quite zones out in the same way, since he seems aware of painting the dead cheerleader, although that is admittedly hard to tell.
I think Issac's powers are at such an early level, that using the drugs to tap into them at this stage shuts down his mind in other ways.
J
heroewatch
Oct 27 2006, 04:01 AM
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peter has shown that isaac's power isn't dependant on drugs hes just to messed up when hes off them to use his powers maybe after some detox he could controll his powers better
i think peter absorbs peoples powers but their hightened/weakened to his level of controll over his power so when he met future hiro he should of gained some time power but since time controll is probably very difficult and since the whole thing left him very shaken i doubt he even though about using it and if he did i think at best all he could do is stop a clock for a sec
I would hope that Issac's power is not dependent on drugs although so far it seems that way. He paints other pictures and so far when he paints without drugs they don't seem to reflect the future. Hopefully he can let go of the drugs and immerse himself in his powers but I"m not so sure that so far Peter has shown that to be true. Peter can so far mimic/absorb the Heroes powers but does that prove that Issac can paint without the drugs? Not so sure, but I'm hoping he can.
heroewatch
Oct 27 2006, 07:19 PM
Anyone have a screencap of the picture that was being smudged showing why they were smudging it?
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