In the opening scene in the subway train with Peter and Future Hiro, when FH walks away, one of his sleeves was hanging like it was empty. Did he lose an arm, or did he pull a wandering Samurai (ie arm just not in sleeve)?

Hah, I saw that too. He was moving differently too, more smooth and stealthy. He must've recieved some training in the ways of a samurai or something, but I doubt we'll ever see that in the show.

No. Stealthy, smooth, and overall coolness is all ninja. There's no samurai involved. Samurai have more of a swagger to them. Plus, they sheath their swords at the hip (unless it's a nodachi. No one can sheath a nodachi at the hip unless they're Sephiroth). Hiro's looks more like a ninja to me. Samurai are all-in-your-face bright colors. Ninjas are all-black-you-can't-see-me.

Think Auron from final fantasy 10...

I didn't notice it, can anyone post a screencap of the missing limb? or better yet, a pic showing two arms. lol

Thanks in advance

First thing I thought of!


Awesome, thanks for the info. I wonder if Hiro will still end up that way, or maybe he'll be different if the future is changed or something.

Still has 2 arms!

what kind of hero has one arm...

the kind that makes a i got to go poopie face when using their powers

X\ <---thats hiros face

hahahahahaha ... insert dead pan song here ... wha, wha, wha, whaaaaa...

actually, as you see in his blog its ><.

If you watch the video, he carried it funny, though. His left arm was still, just like it is in the pic above, like it was in a sling or something. The first thing I thought of was that it was imobolized like he'd dislocated his shoulder, because that's how it looked like when he moved.

And as an aside, did anyone else notice that when Peter first went down the subway car trying to figure out what was going on, Hiro was standing still amoung the passengers in the background, reading a paper? Or was that just me?

You're right, he was standing there. I dunno if they did that just so he could step into view but it didn't make much sense. Last week showed Peter listening to footsteps on the roof of the subway car. If Hiro was in the subway, who was on the roof?

I noticed the "deadness" of the arm also. I'm hoping it's just a sign of the "new Hiro". Right now in present state Hiro is a very jerky, almost spastic character. Maybe he is just more composed and knows he doesn't need the overt gestures anymore? Who knows? I'm hoping he is still whole though.

I did notice someone who looked like Hiro reading a paper but I chalked it up to "reading too much into it". Since you brought it up though I went back and check again. It has to be him. BUT, didn't Peter hear him on top of the Subway last week? Here's a cap.

ETA: I guess this proves he still has mobility of the left arm. He's holding the paper with both hands.

This was discussed last week. If you look at the handle it is too long for a 1 and a half sword (katana) and is in fact a two handed sword. The previous person brought up a Daikatana which is a video game. If you look at the length of the sword there is no doubt that it is a Nodachi. So he may still be a samurai.

I thought of Auron as well, haha.

Well, of all the heroes on the show, it would be most fitting for Hiro's powers to involve a video game, or some other geek-related item.

No your not imagining it. I paused my dvr because I thought I saw him standing among the frozen passengers also. I noticed his face, then the pony tail, the top of his sword was sticking from his back and yes he was there reading the paper as Peter looked at all of the frozen passengers & in the blink of an eye he materialized in front of Peter & started walking towards him. I thought he was very Ninja like also with the new look and his new walk. I didn't notice the arm-I'm going to re-watch that scene so that I can see what everyone is talking about. Also he told Peter he didn't recognized him without his scar so we are to assume that Peter's face is going to get scared in a future episode but has anyone noticed Nathan has a scar on his chin already? I don't know if that means anything but Hiro definetely knew it was Peter because he called him by his name.

In other posts people have alluded to the fact that they think that when Peter is around another Heroe he can take on their abilities. Like when he was with Nathan he flew, when he was with Issac his eyes turned opaque just like Issac's and he could see the future and he painted it.

Maybe he's reading the paper for the date, to make sure he's come to the right point in time...

Ya I hope he learned his lesson from his first 5 week jump.

Messing with the brightness and contrast it certainly looks like him. Can't tell if thats also his sword we're seeing though.

I'm pretty sure its the guy next to hiro reading the paper not hiro because they guy is looking right at the paper and hiro isnt.

The arm in question is his sword arm. Coats are restrictive. Hiro has his arm free of the restrictive coat in the event he needs it for his sword.

Why you ask?

Based on his drastic change in behavior, his new darker appearance, and the fact he is armed, it would be a good guess to say that the future he came from isn't a very pleasent place.

Excellent. We all get a lesson in pre-industrial asian culture ... courtesy of the video game generation.

You do realize that IF he was missing that arm, the sword would be on the sheathed with the handle over his left shoulder rather than his right... As it is now, he would never be able to draw it IF he had lost that arm...

Good grief, I think you're right! The newspaper looks like it's in the guy's hands next to him - and there is only one fist showing in front of Hiro, not two! I hadn't even noticed Hiro was sitting there.

Sneaky like whoa. Hiro didn't recognize Peter, so he was lying doggo until someone else MOVES in the car? How brilliant is that.

Kinda makes you wonder if Future-Hiro hasn't been some very nasty little traps, though, to be so suspicious he'd let Peter do an entire circuit of the car, and THEN appear at the far end just in case.

Hiro seems to be a little Peter-shy. I wonder if Peter goes evil in this particular Future-Hiro's universe? Would explain the "Be the one we need!" - which comes a lot more frevent and first before the whole cheerleader thing, which Hiro tosses off on his way out, not even looking back at Peter.

And I still say Peter is an amplifyer, not just a mimic ... That scene was a lot longer than 20 seconds, and Hiro didn't seem to be straining, y'know?

Unless Hiro changes his attitude on life soon, then he is no ninja. And maybe not Samurai either. He follows a code, but does not follow a particular master. He maybe a Ronin (I think that is the correct term) or a Bushi, both are warriors without masters who fight/defend for their own reasons. A samurai is typically devoted to one master, unless you consider an ideal to be a master. That could be possible.

At any rate, from all we have seen from Hiro, I would not think of him as a ninja. Not that there cannot be good ninja, just that the sneaky ninja is not as "Hiroic" as a noble Samurai or a Ronin.

Just my 2cp worth.



Future Hiro seems much different than present Hiro. Maybe has just has better control of his powers. Take Nathan's sudden escape as an example of gaining exp in powers.

If you watch some of the Kurosawa films with Toshiro Mifune, Toshiro often has his arms out of site inside his sleeves. I am gussing this is the samurai equivalent of having your hands in your pockets.

Here's my two cents

1. he has both hands and arms from what you can see in the picture

2. i always thought he was holding his arm that way to keep the katana from bouncing when he moved... but having him less jittery would definately be part of his maturing process

A rock 'n' roll hero... like the drummer from Def Leppard.

Who lets a guy with a sword on a train. YOU ASK THAT GUY SOME QUESTIONS!

that was a joke for who ever wanted to flame me of the millions of reasons why that isnt accurate.

Anyway I saw that too that he was on the train but why in episode was there banging on the roof if hiro was there the whole time meh. It was still and awsome scene!

As far as the arm I think thats b/c of big sleeves and a tight arm to the body to make him look sleek and cool!

so wait, are we really discussing if he has 2 hands >.< ahhh!

You're quite welcome.

I think the guy is just reading over his shoulder. What confuses me is that Hiro choose this moment to make contact with Peter. He not only teleported back in time, but he also stopped time. First time I had seen him do both at the same time, but perhaps the future has made him more adept. Other possibility is that is that are two Hiros on the train. And as soon as the message is delivered the time stream is altered and both are gone. Maybe one is stopping time and the other is there at the same moment to be able to talk to him. Of course his powers are temporarily shared by Peter as well, so maybe the group of them at that moment somehow augments that scenario. He said he risks altering the time stream just by being there, but perhaps he had already tried it once and had to go back again. Perhaps he is trying over and over till the result turns out right "butterfly effect"