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taojon
Isaac's paintings are not just of "Heroes", remember the bus in Israel? I think that the painting that Peter finished is going to be of Jackie's dead body. The reason why Sylar is standing looking at it is because he probably realises that he didn't kill the right cheerleader but a phony who likes to take credit for events that she didn't accomplish! She is about to pay "big time" for lying about saving the bum from the train fire!
davthadude
QUOTE (taojon @ Oct 24 2006, 10:09 AM) *
Isaac's paintings are not just of "Heroes", remember the bus in Israel? I think that the painting that Peter finished is going to be of Jackie's dead body. The reason why Sylar is standing looking at it is because he probably realises that he didn't kill the right cheerleader but a phony who likes to take credit for events that she didn't accomplish! She is about to pay "big time" for lying about saving the bum from the train fire!


I see after my week and a half of vacation that people still can't see the obvious on this show.
JOE_THE_KING
QUOTE (taojon @ Oct 24 2006, 10:30 AM) *
meaning?


It's Claire.
taojon
QUOTE (davthadude @ Oct 24 2006, 02:19 PM) *
I see after my week and a half of vacation that people still can't see the obvious on this show.


meaning?
taojon
QUOTE (JOE_THE_KING @ Oct 24 2006, 02:34 PM) *
It's Claire.


None of Isaac's paintings have not come true...yet! Some ppl make me wonder! You all watch a show based on fiction where surprises keep coming each and every week, but when someone suggests something that COULD be a possibility the mob of cynics speak up immediately! Silly ppl
JOE_THE_KING
QUOTE (taojon @ Oct 24 2006, 10:40 AM) *
None of Isaac's paintings have not come true...yet! Some ppl make me wonder! You all watch a show based on fiction where surprises keep coming each and every week, but when someone suggests something that COULD be a possibility the mob of cynics speak up immediately! Silly ppl


Plenty of paintings have come true. What good could come from saving any other cheerleader besides Claire? I'll respect your theory, as you should respect others. The possibilty you laid out is exactly that, a possibility. Cynics? No, we're just people with opinions - and if you dont want us to speak up - you're in the wrong place.
taojon
QUOTE (JOE_THE_KING @ Oct 24 2006, 02:49 PM) *
Plenty of paintings have come true. What good could come from saving any other cheerleader besides Claire? I'll respect your theory, as you should respect others. The possibilty you laid out is exactly that, a possibility. Cynics? No, we're just people with opinions - and if you dont want us to speak up - you're in the wrong place.


Why two paintings of Claire of one single event?
HolyHellraiser
the chearleader is probably clair but who knows i am a little surprised that our little miss miracle girl needs saving since she can regenerate but it has been shown that a sustained fatal injury will kill her since she was dead untill the doc pulled the branch out of her brain stem so if you want to kill clair just decapitate her and make shure nobody puts the head back on. and 1 more thing i hope that the chearleader who took credit for clairs heroics does get it she deserves it although death by sylar may be a stiff punishment for her crime.
O22IE.O
o.k heres the deal your both right but to stupid to relise that you need to put a puzzle together (a picture is a million words) yes the cheerleader is jackie and sylar does kill her thinking she is special (not all the pictures on his map had the helix on the photo) Once she is dead he knows its the wrong cheerleader thats when our heroes come in to play and get there to save claire.
bobm
I think it's possible that "Sylar Victim Cheerleader" isn't Claire. That isn't to say that Claire isn't in danger; but maybe Sylar accidently kills the wrong cheerleader first. Thus we get Isaac/Peter's dead cheerleader painting.

Then he goes after the right cheerleader, and our heroes show up just in time to save her.
desray
QUOTE (taojon @ Oct 24 2006, 08:40 AM) *
None of Isaac's paintings have not come true...yet! Some ppl make me wonder! You all watch a show based on fiction where surprises keep coming each and every week, but when someone suggests something that COULD be a possibility the mob of cynics speak up immediately! Silly ppl


Paintings that came true so far:
Train derailment in Texas
Bus crash in Israel
Simone and Peter kissing under the umbrella
Hiro's 9th Wonders comic book (all of it)
Solar Eclipse
Tekno
I think it is very possible that the other cheerleader may be a plot twist, as whomever shows up to kill Clair finds out that she 'saved' the person from the train and goes after her, thinking she is special when she isn't.
The Alternative One
Remember that not all Isaac's paintings need to come true...
If that were the case then the Heroes would be migrating together for no purpose. Isaac's painting of the explosion in New York City is a FUTURE event that has not yet happened and the Heroes are set on changing that course. The painiting of Claire dead in a pool of blood is a picture of what the FUTURE could be if the Heroes don't intervene and get to her in time.

As for the image of the terrorist bus in Israel... I'll wager that we find out later that a Hero was near it when the incident happened, perhaps, even attempted to stop it.

Also, I don't see much merit in the writers including a mistaken murder. It just does not make sense that Sylar would make a mistake about a Hero. He must have some means of identifying them and the program is called "Heroes" not "Pretending to Be A Hero!" as Jackie is doing. If anything, the painting may be of Jackie simply because she got in the way and not because she was misidentified. The cheerleader is Claire!
Antimonkey
QUOTE (taojon @ Oct 25 2006, 12:40 AM) *
None of Isaac's paintings have not come true...yet! Some ppl make me wonder! You all watch a show based on fiction where surprises keep coming each and every week, but when someone suggests something that COULD be a possibility the mob of cynics speak up immediately! Silly ppl


Well if you want to assume that all of Issac's painting will come true then there will be no point even bothering to prevent the New York Nuke since he's painted it will come true.

No the painings are warnings, important things that there new heroes have the chance to prevent. Maybe he drew the bomb on the bus to be something that would start telling him that he really could paint the future. Or maybe there was a hero that if they had known about it could have stopped it. Or... maybe the heroes chase sylar back through time to where the bus is before it blows up, and this is how Hiro discovers that rifts can happen..
Surge
QUOTE (The Alternative One @ Oct 24 2006, 02:41 PM) *
Also, I don't see much merit in the writers including a mistaken murder. It just does not make sense that Sylar would make a mistake about a Hero. He must have some means of identifying them...


Then why does Sylar want that littel girl so bad? She doesn't appear to have any powers. But, he broke into FBI headquarters to get her.
Nambrosia
QUOTE (Surge @ Oct 24 2006, 03:37 PM) *
Then why does Sylar want that littel girl so bad? She doesn't appear to have any powers. But, he broke into FBI headquarters to get her.


Yes, what is up with the little girl? is there any info on her? spolier or not, what is up!
Feroicous
QUOTE (Nambrosia @ Oct 24 2006, 04:00 PM) *
Yes, what is up with the little girl? is there any info on her? spolier or not, what is up!



Well this is jsut a theory so maybe a spoiler so dont read if u dont wanna know...


**********SPOILER************


i read thsi theory on the boards but i believe it. some of these are my own thoerys

I think the little girl is claires sister and the people that were killed were clairs biological parents...

now my own speculations

i think the lil girl has special powers as u remember i think claires father had the ability to freeze things... as u can see he was frozen when they found him..so i think sylar froze him after he sliced him open..and i think the mother had the ablity to move things and throw them no matter how heavy... as u can see she was on the steps being held up by things stuck in her.. and sylar after killing her held her up and threw things at her to make her stay there.. jsut food for thought...


************END SPOILER*********
Briar
oh my.

ok from what we CAN see about the picture:

-its a cheer leader
-she has long hair, arguably blond, as its white-ish colored in hte tricolor painting.

now, the most logical (andworst) possibility is that the painted scene is that of claire-

the other quite plausible scene is that of jackie getting crainium-scooped.

both are quite logical; and issacs painting only come true when nothing is done to change them.

and also thats a good point-

hiro and ando won't meet with peter until after the "locker incident" at the school.

and from the liberal use of red in issac's paintings it seems sylar goes to town on the hapless highschoolers (ala carey) during homecomming.

although it seems that next weeks episdode will focus completly on niki (95% of the trailer involved her for christ's sake) and the week after that might be the homecomming.
HolyHellraiser
i think that girl can project her thoughts because before the cop had any real controll of his powers he heard her thoughts from all the way outside if that was just his powers manifesting you'ld think he would of heard the thoughts of the people around him but maybe she was just screaming her thoughts.

also based on absolutly no evidence i think sylar can tell who the heros are
Char
It only makes sence that it would be Claire. After all why else would they show her in the previews when ever the say 'Save the cheerleader, save the world.' I mean come on! If it were someone else they wouldn't show a small scene of her when ever they say that.
geneticwonder
I have no doubt that in the end that Claie is the cheerleader who must be saved.
Saying that, I'm not going to rule out that it might be the other cheerleader in the painting with the lobotomy.
They just made to much of a deal about the other cheerleader taking credit for Claires heroic act. Why would they even bother to do that if it won't play in later?
The Alternative One
QUOTE (Surge @ Oct 24 2006, 02:37 PM) *
Then why does Sylar want that littel girl so bad? She doesn't appear to have any powers. But, he broke into FBI headquarters to get her.


Because she is NOT a mistaken identity. She has an ability and Sylar wants to use it. They have not identified her ability yet but they will!
mohinderfan
QUOTE (Char @ Oct 24 2006, 10:04 PM) *
It only makes sence that it would be Claire. After all why else would they show her in the previews when ever the say 'Save the cheerleader, save the world.' I mean come on! If it were someone else they wouldn't show a small scene of her when ever they say that.


Who says that they are saving her from Sylar. Up to this point, syalr's existence is all speculation. He could very well be the split personality of one of the heroes or even chandra suresh...who knows..
Kez
My guess is that it is Jackie.

Someone is killed according to the painting of Hiro & Ando standing under the homecoming banner. Jackie was also on the news so Sylar would know about her if he was looking for someone special in Odessa.

Option A - if it is Claire, Hiro will just go back in time and fix it. Pretty boring in terms of plot twists, etc. At some point, there must be a limit to Hiro's abilities or every problem will just be solved with time-travel.

Option B - if it is Jackie, Hiro will go back in time only to find out that she is not special. This lets the writers have lots of plot twists, and 4-5 heroes standing around going "What the hell, why did we waste our time saving a cheerleader who had no powers!?"

Option C - MBG is there and suppresses Hiro's power, and therefore it can't be Claire who is dead but Jackie because the writers aren't going to kill Claire off.

So to me, Options B and C are much better in terms of where the show writers are going, and both involve Jackie dieing, not Claire.

"Save the Cheerleader". Only Matt knew the name of the cheerleader to save (Claire), and he had his memory erased. So unless Hiro's message included Claire's name, nobody knows yet which cheerleader to help. He must not have, because Peter never says "we have to save Claire, the cheerleader", to Isaac.
Sairo
I really hope it's Jackie, because Claire is my favorite character, and I can't stand the idea of her death!
Die Jackie, die!
LOL
I think Sylar or whoever is the killer is going to kill Jackie, find out she's not special, and go after Claire. And when he is almost having a taste of her, the other Heroes will storm in, save her and kick some a**!
taojon
QUOTE (davthadude @ Oct 24 2006, 02:19 PM) *
I see after my week and a half of vacation that people still can't see the obvious on this show.


What do ya think of my Jackie theory now! I predicted it like almost a full month before it was proven RIGHT!

This is a show that sets up, not for the so called OBVIOUS but for great fictional storytelling!

Many more plot twists are sure to happen. tongue.gif haha
Abraxas
QUOTE (taojon @ Nov 22 2006, 04:03 PM) *
What do ya think of my Jackie theory now! I predicted it like almost a full month before it was proven RIGHT!

This is a show that sets up, not for the so called OBVIOUS but for great fictional storytelling!

Many more plot twists are sure to happen. tongue.gif haha

Yes, you were the one who brought it up first (I think) and I picked it up from you. Although I seem to remember I got it from somewhere else...anyway...congratulations! wink.gif

I like how it makes all the ignorant people look bad. tongue.gif
Sakura
QUOTE (Abraxas @ Nov 23 2006, 07:27 AM) *
Yes, you were the one who brought it up first (I think) and I picked it up from you. Although I seem to remember I got it from somewhere else...anyway...congratulations! wink.gif

I like how it makes all the ignorant people look bad. tongue.gif


It still might be Claire. Hiro can still change the future.
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