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Jalathas
I'm sure Niki's not dead, that would be a bit anticlimactic after her "dark side" is just showing. I don't expect them to work things out, though. They seem to be setting Niki up as a bit of a pseudo-villain.
Dragonfire
My theory is that D.L. choking Nikki means evil Nikki and regular Nikki change roles. Like, evil Nikki is the one who is out all the time and regular Nikki is the one who spontaneously comes out.

It's kind of an odd theory, but it kinda makes sense.
Viper
haha, three of us posted at the same time.
animelord
Do you think they will work things out or do you think it is over or do you think Niki is dead?
AznPride
She's probably unconscious or something...
pirategrillz
Niki isn't dead. She can't be.
Viper
Nikki isn't dead. I know it. But I think once its known to D.L. that she can't control Jessica (yet...) and that he knows about Jessica, he'll go back to her.
Arelas
They wouldn't kill off a main character so fast!
Its over, probably..but in the scenes for next episode we see that Hiro and Ando have an encounter with DL :0
hempingway
Well Niki certainly isn't dead, but I dunno what's gonna happen between the 3 of them [DL, Niki & Ikin] Seems like Ikin is extremely jealous and/or mistrusting of DL. I wonder why?
The Riddler
Maybe Nikki herself is dead, but Jessica is not?

Probably not the scenario.
Chaos
too much drama of the love story for DL to kill her so fast. very cool trick of his though..
Celebrity Skin
Am I alone in the fact that I think DL's character is a total ******? I admit Jessica might be one really messed up person - but everything she does is for protecting Micah. Albiet she has a very strange way of showing it.

DL on the other hand really hasn't done anything for Micah. When Micah was trying to save Nikki/Jessica DL kept...doing whatever he was doing.
FireAndGlass
QUOTE (hempingway @ Oct 30 2006, 09:10 PM) *
Well Niki certainly isn't dead, but I dunno what's gonna happen between the 3 of them [DL, Niki & Ikin] Seems like Ikin is extremely jealous and/or mistrusting of DL. I wonder why?


I like this theory.. It does seem that she'll be the villian of the heroes. Nikki already gave into Jessica as they were talking.
fidorulz
Looking over the episode mostly the fight at the end the odd thing is at one point you see DLs hand in Niki and a sec later the hand is around her neck.

It then goes back to the hand in her and back to the hand on the neck but always the same hand.

Wonder if these 2 things where happening to different Niki(s)
The Riddler
QUOTE (fidorulz @ Oct 30 2006, 10:13 PM) *
Looking over the episode mostly the fight at the end the odd thing is at one point you see DLs hand in Niki and a sec later the hand is around her neck.

It then goes back to the hand in her and back to the hand on the neck but always the same hand.

Wonder if these 2 things where happening to different Niki(s)

His hand went through her body to her neck.
Jalathas
QUOTE (Celebrity Skin @ Oct 30 2006, 10:12 PM) *
Am I alone in the fact that I think DL's character is a total ******? I admit Jessica might be one really messed up person - but everything she does is for protecting Micah. Albiet she has a very strange way of showing it.

DL on the other hand really hasn't done anything for Micah. When Micah was trying to save Nikki/Jessica DL kept...doing whatever he was doing.

Keep in mind, he doesn't know all that we know. All he knows is, he was set up, and Niki just fell through the ceiling with the money. The other personality thing probably sounds like a poor excuse, ecspecially when she attacks him when he says he doesn't believe it. As to him rushing out with Micah, it's exactly what I would have done. I certainly wouldn't have let my son try to help my crazy-@$$ ex-wife who just tried to kill me.
Rockhopper
QUOTE (fidorulz @ Oct 30 2006, 10:13 PM) *
Looking over the episode mostly the fight at the end the odd thing is at one point you see DLs hand in Niki and a sec later the hand is around her neck.

It then goes back to the hand in her and back to the hand on the neck but always the same hand.

Wonder if these 2 things where happening to different Niki(s)


whoa how do you get the same hand out of that? Looked like he was using both his hands to me.
Kauhis-Oki
QUOTE (Celebrity Skin @ Oct 30 2006, 09:12 PM) *
Am I alone in the fact that I think DL's character is a total ******? I admit Jessica might be one really messed up person - but everything she does is for protecting Micah. Albiet she has a very strange way of showing it.

DL on the other hand really hasn't done anything for Micah. When Micah was trying to save Nikki/Jessica DL kept...doing whatever he was doing.


Everything she does is to protect Micah? Stealing 2 million, multiple murders to frame the father? Who's only crime really was wanting more for his family? Moreso, she coldly murders a room full of people to cover up her previous crime?Sorry, but to me Niki B comes across as a self righteous egotist Who's using the "protecting Michah" thing as an excuse to revel in the bloodshed.
DON XI VI
Killing off Niki OR Jessica just wouldn't be smart on the part of NBC...

1) her evil side's plot was just revealed
2) DL & Micah's story would be ruined
3) she IS the "hottie" of the cast
QuarterDone
QUOTE (nickpowers101 @ Oct 30 2006, 10:52 PM) *
For me, watching Nikki is like watching a loose canon. She's completely unpredictable - but it's kinda what makes watching the show so fun.


Don't worry. Niki's not dead. She's just been slowed down a bit. When she finally recollects herselves, she's gonna be mighty ticked off. DL better be really good at not making a trail or he'll been in a world-of-hurt when Niki finds him.
nickpowers101
For me, watching Nikki is like watching a loose canon. She's completely unpredictable - but it's kinda what makes watching the show so fun.
hempingway
she is one hella unpredicatable character, lol
RainbowFrankenstein
i would bet alot that she is'nt dead. DL might be super mad and wants to get away from her but not enough to kill her.

what did he do to knock her out though? squeeze her lungs?

and i think the the son might be having some powers of his own that we'll see later on.
Dakk
Either that or this event will allow Nikki to gain control over Jessica.

QUOTE (QuarterDone @ Oct 31 2006, 12:00 AM) *
Don't worry. Niki's not dead. She's just been slowed down a bit. When she finally recollects herselves, she's gonna be mighty ticked off. DL better be really good at not making a trail or he'll been in a world-of-hurt when Niki finds him.
mature Duluth
QUOTE (Dakk @ Oct 30 2006, 10:27 PM) *
Either that or this event will allow Nikki to gain control over Jessica.


Where did the name Jessica come from? I can understand Ikin. I do think they have battled before.
Doctor Mist
QUOTE (mature Duluth @ Oct 30 2006, 11:42 PM) *
Where did the name Jessica come from? I can understand Ikin. I do think they have battled before.


DL wouldn't kill his wife he too good a guy. Although the voice-over implies that she may be dead when the voice-over states, "survival of the fittest" and "surviving blurs the line bw good and evil"
monkeypiss
what if she is dead but hiro comes back like ando suggests and stops her from killing those poker players like the hero that hiro wanted to be, and that somehow inadvertantly changes things so she doesn't die the second time around.
chevyjock
well, did anyone else notice
when the camera changed angle, dl 's hand was in different spots.

in one his hand was inside her
in the other, he was choking her.
spyda
his hand was thru her and choking her at the same time
monkeypiss
QUOTE (chevyjock @ Oct 31 2006, 01:14 AM) *
well, did anyone else notice
when the camera changed angle, dl 's hand was in different spots.

in one his hand was inside her
in the other, he was choking her.


yes people have commented on that several times in this very thread already.

BUT also what if DL "killing" her broke the "barrier" between jessica and nikki and they are now the same person. the voiceover from the episode that states: "surviving blurs the line bw good and evil" makes me think that for nikki to live she and jessica have to become one. good and evil.

ALSO she totally has super strength. she knocked DL into next week. and if you think about it, if she has only one personality now because nikki and jessica merged, she will most likely retain her super strength, and this will be her only power from now on.
spacy_stacy
Where'd the 'Jessica' thing come from. When did she get her own name? I'm confused.
tigerstrikes
QUOTE (Celebrity Skin @ Oct 30 2006, 07:12 PM) *
Am I alone in the fact that I think DL's character is a total ******? I admit Jessica might be one really messed up person - but everything she does is for protecting Micah. Albiet she has a very strange way of showing it.

DL on the other hand really hasn't done anything for Micah. When Micah was trying to save Nikki/Jessica DL kept...doing whatever he was doing.


DL was framed for MURDER and has served 6 months already. He hasn't done anything for Micah because Micah's "messed up" mom keeps killing people and blaming it on Micah's dad.

Cut DL some slack, he didn't even throw the first punch.

QUOTE (chevyjock @ Oct 30 2006, 10:14 PM) *
well, did anyone else notice
when the camera changed angle, dl 's hand was in different spots.

in one his hand was inside her
in the other, he was choking her.


I figured he used both hands, one to choke one to phase into her.
Stv
I like the "blur"ing idea of Nikki/Jessica (Where did jessica come from?) idea.

Also could it be concevable that Nikki can transform into something not human?

Evidence: When DL is leafing through Micahs comics an issue of 9th Wonders was among them and on the front cover was a blond female-esq creature thing that didn't look terrably human. Considering the story arc of this episode and it's centeral characters... and the fact that Nikki is a stunning blond...

Just a thought.

Also; Anyone have any suggestions as to why E.Nikki framed DL in the first place?
Fluffynurse
But then Isaac had that painting of Nikki & he smudged the paint off her shoulder to reveal the symbol. This leads me to believe that Jessica lives. Perhaps Hiro will attempt a Re-Do so that Nikki never dies. (Since Ando has the hots for Nikki & all.)
Doctor Mist
QUOTE (Fluffynurse @ Oct 31 2006, 01:52 AM) *
But then Isaac had that painting of Nikki & he smudged the paint off her shoulder to reveal the symbol. This leads me to believe that Jessica lives.


I also thought that symbolized the Jessica was now fully in control, only time will tell. Why can't she be bad like the Phoenix?
monkeypiss
QUOTE (cryptaknight @ Oct 31 2006, 02:08 AM) *
Okay, it's driving me crazy that everyone keeps ignoring the "Jessica" question... can someone who knows the origins of the name explain for the rest of us, please?


i think this is where it all started
http://www.9thwonders.com/boards/index.php...c=21303&hl=

i know most people are all, "i'm going to keep calling her ikkin" but i think that name is kind of ridiculous and way too obvious to be what they would actually refer to her as. so i like to call her jessica. sorry for the confusion.
cryptaknight
Thanks for that link. No worries, lol, just that several people had asked and no one was answering.

I like Jessica better than ikiN, but it seems sort of random.
cryptaknight
Okay, it's driving me crazy that everyone keeps ignoring the "Jessica" question... can someone who knows the origins of the name explain for the rest of us, please?
monkeypiss
QUOTE (cryptaknight @ Oct 31 2006, 02:27 AM) *
Thanks for that link. No worries, lol, just that several people had asked and no one was answering.

I like Jessica better than ikiN, but it seems sort of random.


like dr. jekyl and mr. hyde
Keshire
QUOTE (monkeypiss @ Oct 31 2006, 01:15 AM) *
i think this is where it all started
http://www.9thwonders.com/boards/index.php...c=21303&hl=

i know most people are all, "i'm going to keep calling her ikkin" but i think that name is kind of ridiculous and way too obvious to be what they would actually refer to her as. so i like to call her jessica. sorry for the confusion.


Yep as the thread states. Beeman, the co-executive producer called her Jessica in his blog.
cryptaknight
QUOTE (monkeypiss @ Oct 30 2006, 11:28 PM) *
like dr. jekyl and mr. hyde


Hmm, yeah. Niki almost sounds like a stage name, as well, so "Jessica" may have some significance we're not aware of. I came to the show at the third episode, so I'm missing some details; does Niki have a different name she uses when she strips?
uberhero
Nikki and her evil alter ego are going to be who the Heroes go to "do their dirty work." A group of do gooder Heroes really aren't going to kill anyone, that is not the Hero way. However, they have a loophole with Nikki. The Heroes will just prevent the evil doers from doing whatever malevolent act they are trying to do, then send Nikki in to kill them off with her crazy hot alter ego.
BrattyNatty1
QUOTE (cryptaknight @ Oct 31 2006, 02:38 AM) *
Hmm, yeah. Niki almost sounds like a stage name, as well, so "Jessica" may have some significance we're not aware of. I came to the show at the third episode, so I'm missing some details; does Niki have a different name she uses when she strips?


I hope it's not some stupid idea to copy the names of the two multiple personalities from the soap opera One Life To Live. On the show Viki has a bad alter name "Niki" and her daughter goody goody Jessica has an alter name "Tess". In some pathetic way just took the names from these characters. That would be disappointing. Either way it reminds me of them when I hear the names.
mattalex
Guys, am I halucinating, or are you not watching carefully?

I saw:
Niki on the floor, EYES CLOSED.
Then she opens her eyes, which transitions to Isaac's painting of her, with the EYES OPEN.
Dead people don't open their eyes !
What are you guys talking about?
monkeypiss
QUOTE (mattalex @ Nov 1 2006, 10:34 AM) *
Guys, am I halucinating, or are you not watching carefully?

I saw:
Niki on the floor, EYES CLOSED.
Then she opens her eyes, which transitions to Isaac's painting of her, with the EYES OPEN.
Dead people don't open their eyes !
What are you guys talking about?


we all believe she is alive. i don't think anyone really thinks that she died. i don't even think anyone said they did in this post.
jslader
QUOTE (mattalex @ Nov 1 2006, 10:34 AM) *
Guys, am I halucinating, or are you not watching carefully?

I saw:
Niki on the floor, EYES CLOSED.
Then she opens her eyes, which transitions to Isaac's painting of her, with the EYES OPEN.
Dead people don't open their eyes !
What are you guys talking about?


You were hallucinating. The show ended with a shot of Nikki/Jessica lying on the floor as Suresh finishes saying, There are two options: survive or perish. And her eyes wwere still closed then, AFTER the scene with Isaac.
Socrates
Nikki uses her real name on the internet (at least her real first name anyway). Ando knows her name is Nikki.
cody44
I have a slightly different idea as to what will come of this storyline. In a particular scene we see D.L. shoving his right hand through Niki. During that same scene we also see D.L. choking what appears to be Niki with he right hand. I don't believe it is Niki, rather it is ikin/Jessica that he is choking. I think that D.L. is killing ikin/Jessica but because of this, it knocks Niki unconscious, only for her to later be able to awake and have control of her powers (superstrength?). Atleast that's my take.
mattalex
QUOTE (jslader @ Nov 1 2006, 02:34 PM) *
You were hallucinating. The show ended with a shot of Nikki/Jessica lying on the floor as Suresh finishes saying, There are two options: survive or perish. And her eyes wwere still closed then, AFTER the scene with Isaac.



If you say so, I need to rewatch the episode.

But the last shot of Niki I remember matches pretty exact to the painting of her Isaac made, and then wipes off.
And her eyes are open in the painting right?

Also, check the topics on this site - several people are "worried" that she is dead.
Dragonfire
QUOTE (cody44 @ Nov 1 2006, 01:57 PM) *
I have a slightly different idea as to what will come of this storyline. In a particular scene we see D.L. shoving his right hand through Niki. During that same scene we also see D.L. choking what appears to be Niki with he right hand. I don't believe it is Niki, rather it is ikin/Jessica that he is choking. I think that D.L. is killing ikin/Jessica but because of this, it knocks Niki unconscious, only for her to later be able to awake and have control of her powers (superstrength?). Atleast that's my take.


That's plausible, but I still think it'd be interesting for Niki and Jessica to switch roles, where Jessica is the "dominant" one (well, more than she is now), and where Niki is the "recessive" one.

Almost like Smeagol/Gollum from Lord of the Rings.
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