heroewatch
Oct 30 2006, 07:25 PM
First time we see two "Heroes" in a battle and see the immediate although not yet permant results. Hiro could not time stop Niki from doing her thing. Does his power not work on other Heroes? So who is the most powerful Hero?
hungry4nandez
Oct 30 2006, 07:30 PM
I think Hiro couldn't maintain the level of concentration he needed to stop Evil-Niki.
As for the most powerful..definitely Hiro...then probably followed by DL.
Sarasvati
Oct 30 2006, 07:32 PM
QUOTE (heroewatch @ Oct 30 2006, 09:25 PM)

First time we see two "Heroes" in a battle and see the immediate although not yet permant results. Hiro could not time stop Niki from doing her thing. Does his power not work on other Heroes? So who is the most powerful Hero?
It's not that Hiro couldn't stop time; it's that he froze out of fear and doesn't know how to control his power well enough to go back in time and prevent it from happening.
That said: nerf DL. Heroes PvP is way broken. Who needs super strength when a phaser can just rearrange your organs? Niki should reroll Paladin.
im4lile
Oct 30 2006, 07:31 PM
QUOTE (heroewatch @ Oct 30 2006, 10:25 PM)

First time we see two "Heroes" in a battle and see the immediate although not yet permant results. Hiro could not time stop Niki from doing her thing. Does his power not work on other Heroes? So who is the most powerful Hero?
peter is the most powerful
QuarterDone
Oct 30 2006, 07:33 PM
Good observation.
Well, if DL is a Hero, he COULD use his gift on Niki, who was also using her ability. Looks like she'll be down for a few days.
I still think Hiro's ability is the greatest gift. But who has the most powerful gift?..Right now, it looks like DL.
Chaos
Oct 30 2006, 07:40 PM
its not the power... its how you use it
heroewatch
Oct 30 2006, 07:40 PM
Does it not seem as if the Heroe fight between DL and Niki was not even a fight? Seems so far that it was so lopsided with DL being so much more powerful. Yeah if he can just go and mush up your insides while you have him by the neck then that fight seemed as easy as if he was dusting off a feather.
CiPe
Oct 30 2006, 09:04 PM
I agree you cant top Peter's power... He gains the abilities of the heroes he is around, so he has potential to have more then one ability at one time if he is close to more then one heroe.
sikboi79
Oct 30 2006, 09:22 PM
At this moment in the plot-line, it seems like DL has the biggest grasp of his power and what he can do with it. Everyone else seems like they are still in the stage of shock and awe that they can actually do the impossible. Nikki has just confronted the fact that there is something more going on with her. Hiro accepted his power from the beginning, but his power is more difficult to harness. In the last episode, Peter started to realize that he can use other people's powers. Nathan seemed like he knew what he was doing when he took into the sky, but not so much on the landing, so he needs some work as well. Matt's mind reading is completely out of control.
(I digress) To answer the question, I believe that Hiro has the most powerful ability, but will take some time to reach his full potential. Right now, from what we've seen in the comic and in the show, DL is the most powerful in using his ability. But why is that? Did he develop his ability sooner than anyone else or does he just have the personality type to easily accept what he is and start to utilize it?
Eric in Long Beach
Oct 30 2006, 09:27 PM
I vote for the silent brother that hangs out with HRG. He's got the psionic blast that can paralyze you, and then wipe out your memory. What good are powers if you don't remember that you have them?
The Reaper
Oct 30 2006, 09:59 PM
Peter has the most powerful gift, when he's around other heroes. When he's not...just another normal guy. That being said, Hiro definatly has the most power, no matter what anyone throws at him, once he's mastered his power he'll be able to stop time and move out of the way, or do what ever he has to to save others or himselft, plus he's gonna get a sword, and that is just plain old
Cool 
QUOTE (Eric in Long Beach @ Oct 30 2006, 10:27 PM)

I vote for the silent brother that hangs out with HRG. He's got the psionic blast that can paralyze you, and then wipe out your memory. What good are powers if you don't remember that you have them?

I didn't know he could paralyze you, I just thought that he an HRG drugged matt?
Suprfan
Oct 31 2006, 08:22 AM
You're all forgetting about Scylar. He has telekinetic powers, can freeze, cut heads in half (from the murder scene of little girls parents), has superstrength (from the GRAPHIC NOVEL ONE: MONSTERS), probably can fly himself (from the his escape in the episode 3), and probably immune to bullets (from the same episode).
I believe he's the ultimate evil that heroes have to overcome in order to save the world
DL is good in close combat only - can he let bullets pass through? Peter is no good by himself - i think he's going to be the connecting link/leader of the heroes. Hiro is the the runner up to Scylar provided he has enough time to activate his ability
asnpcwiz
Oct 31 2006, 08:29 AM
I would have to say Peter. Think about it. If you try to fight him, you really couldn't...he has the same power as you. If you team up on him, he has all of your powers...and he can use it all himself. And if it's true about what other people are thinking and he actually does make other's around him weaker, it would be even worst. He would stay strong and have your powers while you got weaker.
Ilyamasool
Oct 31 2006, 08:52 AM
Right now, I would say Niki, then D.L. then possibly Nathan or Hiro.
The reasoning is that currently, none of them seem to have full control over their power in offensive capacity. Only Niki seem to be able to switch into jessica mode whenever there is need at moments instance. She would definately have polished D.L. off if Micha didn't barge in. D. L. is if not hardened criminal, definately who've seen the harsher side of life. he can fight and have somewhat control of his ability due to all the running he had to do from cops. Nathan seem to be able to fly at will and at great speed, but have done almost no training with them. Hiro seem to have great deal of power, but only when he can do things in his own pace. Peter is just too new. he doesn't even recognize when he is near power or when he have absorbed them. mat is just a Cop and offensive capability of regular cop. Issac is junkie
As time go by, D.L. would pull up before anyone else followed by Nathan then Niki and finally Hiro/Clair/Mat
In few months, D.L. would get more practice with his ability to let most blow he receive phase harmlessly by as long as he is expecting them. Once Nathan decide to use his power, he can simply pack a gun and fly away to safe distance and take a pot shot at anyone without fear of retaliation. Niki's offensive ability and her power is still considerable, but since there really is no way for Niki to hurt D.L. and can't reach Nathan in outdoor environment or even in most room with high ceiling, she would come in third behind them.
In few years, it would be Hiro followed by D.L./Clair then close third by Peter/Nathan/Niki/Mat
Finally when everyone come in to their full power as we've been told so far, the ultima list would be
1) Peter
2) Hiro
3) D.L. / Clair
4) Nathan / Niki
5) Mat
6) Issac
SOnMyChest
Oct 31 2006, 09:34 AM
I gotta go with Peter. But right now were are unaware of the true extent of his power. He is basically like Rogue from X-Men (to a certain extent). Now we need to know if his powers work on a radius on how close he is to these people. OR! If he learns the powers of the people around his and keeps them for his own?
Aiki
Oct 31 2006, 09:46 AM
When Clair learns to extend her powers to other people it will be pretty cool.
JunaD
Oct 31 2006, 11:07 AM
I think Hiro would be the strongest if he could control it fully and if no one sneaks up on him and knocks him out.
beyondclarity
Oct 31 2006, 01:20 PM
QUOTE (The Reaper @ Oct 30 2006, 11:59 PM)

I didn't know he could paralyze you, I just thought that he an HRG drugged matt?

In episode 5 the same thing happened to Matt that happened at the bar - he got overwhelmed by the voices and essentially fainted.
I don't think HRG or the MindEraser have anything to do with matt being paralyzed or drugged.
rubio64
Oct 31 2006, 02:16 PM
the most powerful, i would say claire since she cant die. and the most useful, i would say isaac, since he can predict the futuire. the most troubled would have to be niki hands down, even tho i would love to have her/jessica's/ikin's super strength.
Socrates
Oct 31 2006, 02:39 PM
I think it is a little too early to tell. However...
In contention:
Hiro -
Does Hiro's ability work on other Heros, or did he just control things on the subway so he could talk to Peter? If it does work on other heros, his ability to step in and out of time could overwhelm any adversary.
Peter -
We need more inforamtion about Peter's ability. Can he control more than one at the same time? Is his "borrowed" ability as strong or stronger than the person he borrowed it from?
Nikki/Jessica -
What can Nikki/Jessica really do? We have seen super strenth, but little else up to this point.
Claire -
Not being able to die is a nice power. But, it seems to me she is able to die...otherwise why is everyone trying to save her.
Out of contention (IMO):
Nathan -
Anyone can fly if you strap a jet pack to your back.
Issac -
So, you can see the future. This knowledge can be helpful, but it will not help him in any face to face confrontation.
Matt -
Maybe as Matt begins to understand his ability more he will have more powers than just being able to read minds.
This list does not include some other people with powers we know a little about (i.e. DL, HRB) and does not include people we have yet to learn about either (Micah for example...did anyone else notice him opening his eyes in the previews...I think a little of Micah's power will be revealed next episode).
steve2112
Oct 31 2006, 03:54 PM
MBG has to touch you to take your memories. I don't count him as being a major power. Sure he got Matt, Matt was restrained for heaven's sakes.
It's a tough call really. All of them have their points. Nikki's ferrocity and strength vs mild mannered Hiro? Sure if Hiro keeps his wits about him he could freeze time, run down to home depot down the street, grab a chainsaw, come back and cut her into little cubes..
Matt has potential because he'll know what you do before you do it, but I think that's dependant on how fast he is. If he can empty a clip in you before you act that's something...
Claire's ability is purely defensive. Unless you line her bones with metal and give her claws... Oh the other hand, she could possibly be the first person to make a career out of being a suicide bomber, but what else can she do?
Nathan is fast for sure but what else does that do? Flying seems advantagous but how would it work in combat?
DL is a big one but you can't stay phased forever. Nikki got the best of him and he's lucky she decided to choke him instead of pound him. I think the key to getting DL is to keep his mind occupied so he doesn't phase out.
Peter has the most potential but has the greatest achilles heel. Sure he can mimick the powers of anybody around him but all it would take is HRG with his handgun and it's all over! No powers to mimick, he's just another guy.
I actually like that the diversity. They gave everybody something but there isn't one that overpowers everyone else. Sure there's Sylar but with usual stories of good and evil you have one with immense power, but it's always a group of people that band together. A team is greater than the sum of its parts.
Suprfan
Nov 1 2006, 09:59 AM
QUOTE (beyondclarity @ Oct 31 2006, 04:20 PM)

In episode 5 the same thing happened to Matt that happened at the bar - he got overwhelmed by the voices and essentially fainted.
I don't think HRG or the MindEraser have anything to do with matt being paralyzed or drugged.
Bennet clearly said in the beginning of next episode: "We had to drug you, Sorry"
I don't think Claire is invincible. She got unconcious when brank stuck her in her head and her powers didn't work then either. I think if you kill her brain she will probably die. I think that's why Scylar (who i think the most powerfull) is killing everyone by taking their brain out
ladyjay
Nov 1 2006, 10:17 AM
QUOTE (Chaos @ Oct 30 2006, 07:40 PM)

its not the power... its how you use it
Yep and it looks like DL used it pretty well.

QUOTE (CiPe @ Oct 30 2006, 09:04 PM)

I agree you cant top Peter's power... He gains the abilities of the heroes he is around, so he has potential to have more then one ability at one time if he is close to more then one heroe.
I don't think this has been proven. It's hard to say this when it hasn't happened yet. There might be a limit for him. We don't know. Sounds logical though.
QUOTE (heroewatch @ Oct 30 2006, 07:40 PM)

Yeah if he can just go and mush up your insides while you have him by the neck then that fight seemed as easy as if he was dusting off a feather.
Ah- it looked like DL phased through her insides- not mushed them up. Remember this is his wife-at least I think he cares enough not to kill her on the spot. He may have done time but he doesn't seem to be the kinda dude that'll do cold heart killin'. I think he held back in that fight. My concern is for Micah.- That's so sad to see your parents get crazy like that.
Suprfan
Nov 1 2006, 10:21 AM
The "Peter is strongest" advocates are forgetting that there's more to power than it's ability and strength.
QUOTE (Chaos @ Oct 30 2006, 10:40 PM)

its not the power... its how you use it
In addition to posessing power, Peter needs to know how to use it, and without experience and practice he won't be very good at it.
Also, there's question of strength. Peter's mimic power could be on different level than the source. I would guess it would be less than the source.
Finaly, i am not sure the Peter would possess the the same power as the source. Example, he could finish Isaak's painting without shooting up.
ladyjay
Nov 1 2006, 10:23 AM
QUOTE (sikboi79 @ Oct 30 2006, 09:22 PM)

At this moment in the plot-line, it seems like DL has the biggest grasp of his power and what he can do with it. Everyone else seems like they are still in the stage of shock and awe that they can actually do the impossible. Nikki has just confronted the fact that there is something more going on with her. Hiro accepted his power from the beginning, but his power is more difficult to harness. In the last episode, Peter started to realize that he can use other people's powers. Nathan seemed like he knew what he was doing when he took into the sky, but not so much on the landing, so he needs some work as well. Matt's mind reading is completely out of control.
(I digress) To answer the question, I believe that Hiro has the most powerful ability, but will take some time to reach his full potential. Right now, from what we've seen in the comic and in the show, DL is the most powerful in using his ability. But why is that? Did he develop his ability sooner than anyone else or does he just have the personality type to easily accept what he is and start to utilize it?
I agree with everything you said. I think it takes guts for DL to do time when you can just chill in a wall and walk out like a ghost. That's probably what he did but the process of getting locked up is I assume long too. He's got guts to be patient.
Suprfan
Nov 1 2006, 10:37 AM
QUOTE (ladyjay @ Nov 1 2006, 01:23 PM)

I agree with everything you said. I think it takes guts for DL to do time when you can just chill in a wall and walk out like a ghost. That's probably what he did but the process of getting locked up is I assume long too. He's got guts to be patient.
I don't think DL had his power for long. The latest comic shows that he developed it when he was arrested and then did "hoodiny trick with handcuffs" and escape prison. In the 5th episode trooper tells that they had him in custody ... ago (don't remember). If someone remembers then we know when he started to have his power.
ladyjay
Nov 1 2006, 10:40 AM
If I was Peter I'd go into solitude. It's hard to use an amazing power like that for good when your making your friends and those you're trying to help weaker. (If all that is true)
Humm- I don't know if everyone who will read this, read that theory of Peter being Sylar but if the whole "Heroes become weaker around him" theory is right, then Matt could've been on the floor going up against Sylar. I hope that theory is only that and not for real.
commongiga
Nov 1 2006, 04:22 PM
QUOTE (ladyjay @ Nov 1 2006, 01:40 PM)

If I was Peter I'd go into solitude. It's hard to use an amazing power like that for good when your making your friends and those you're trying to help weaker. (If all that is true)
Humm- I don't know if everyone who will read this, read that theory of Peter being Sylar but if the whole "Heroes become weaker around him" theory is right, then Matt could've been on the floor going up against Sylar. I hope that theory is only that and not for real.
Is there any evidence that other heroes become weak when around Peter? I certainly haven't noticed any.
johncarllos
Nov 1 2006, 06:37 PM
QUOTE (steve2112 @ Oct 31 2006, 06:54 PM)

Claire's ability is purely defensive... She could possibly be the first person to make a career out of being a suicide bomber, but what else can she do?
WOW, that was priceless.
I still say that Nathan at high speeds can devistate people if he had a knife or something.
BravoOne
Nov 1 2006, 09:17 PM
I think the most powerful Hero is either Hiro or Sylar.
Hiro can kill anyone by stopping time and slice them up with his samurai sword. He can also freeze time and allow himself and his friend to move around, thus helping him to kill. His weakness is probably it takes a while to concentrate to stop time, and the short duration he can stop time for. But at this stage, he is too nice to kill anyone. Ando probably has to die to turn Hiro into a matured and bitter hero.
Sylar can move objects at will. Thus he can attack at long range at fast speed. Imagine he tries to choke Hiro to death... hmmm, wonder if Hiro can still stop time under those circumstances...
I don't think anyone in Heroes will be invincible. Tim Kring probably wants to make everyone more human (but extraordinary) by giving them weaknesses. That way the heroes will have to work together and rely on each other to save the world.
Ogrewars
Nov 2 2006, 09:48 AM
The most powerful, that a loaded question.
Peter is kind of like the wild card in that he takes your powers and at the same time (from what it appears) makes that hero weak/sick while doing so. But what's to say someone just doesn't shot Peter with a gun, or hire a non-evil supervillan to assasinate him? He is a normal guy after all.
So that leads me to Hiro, he is possibly the most powerful. Technically speaking he can do the most damage just by screwing up the space/time ect..
In the end I think DL got the best of Niki because she wasn't aware how his powers worked. How much you want to bet next fight Niki's super strength side will open a can of whopp arse.
btw Niki is not evil really. She killed DL's crew because they doublecrossed her. She killed those two goons because they were trying to hurt her. Now where she went over the line is when she killed all the people at the pokers place but that doesn't make her evil. If anything she is guilty of over protecting her child, which caused her to do a robbery and kill people (while setting up her husband)
kitty
Nov 2 2006, 09:55 AM
So far? I think the strongest is Niki, she's got strength
but as in embracing power, I think it has to be Hiro
Later on I think it will be Peter because he can copy any power there is out there. I bet him and Sylar will have a showdown, but it will be equal because Peter can use every power Sylar has, and boy, that's alot
steve2112
Nov 2 2006, 04:24 PM
QUOTE (kitty @ Nov 2 2006, 12:55 PM)

So far? I think the strongest is Niki, she's got strength
but as in embracing power, I think it has to be Hiro
Later on I think it will be Peter because he can copy any power there is out there. I bet him and Sylar will have a showdown, but it will be equal because Peter can use every power Sylar has, and boy, that's alot
You have to admit though, peter has a tough power to learn. First thing is I doubt he'll always know what power he's picking up from who, or how to even use it. He's going to have to have a bit of skill I think to really use it.
Maybe it's an instinctive thing but I think it'd be a tough power to master.
Danube
Nov 3 2006, 06:39 PM
Anyone but Peter. Everyone else has their powers he borrows them.
Hey Mr Trump can I borrow a million Dollars? I still would not be rich
Master Xander
Nov 3 2006, 11:03 PM
QUOTE (Danube @ Nov 4 2006, 10:39 AM)

Anyone but Peter. Everyone else has their powers he borrows them.
...which is his power. And if he can channel it properly, he'll be a force to be reckoned with. He can use one super's powers against that super... which could be interesting.
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