heroewatch
Oct 30 2006, 07:56 PM
Why was HRG startled at hearing that news? What is his role in all of this?
mr. green
Oct 30 2006, 07:59 PM
Knows its Claire, does not like implication. Whether it is a threat to his plans or a threat to her welfare that he cares about remains to be seen.
heroewatch
Oct 30 2006, 08:02 PM
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Knows its Claire, does not like implication. Whether it is a threat to his plans or a threat to her welfare that he cares about remains to be seen.
Perhaps he will use her to gather the other Heroes now that he knows they want to save her.
catman20716
Oct 30 2006, 07:59 PM
Suprised that his daughter has anything to do with it all. Or even being the primary target.
hempingway
Oct 30 2006, 07:59 PM
He was startled because they need to "save the cheerleader". he knows that they mean Claire, but he doesn't know what they need to save her from...
QuarterDone
Oct 30 2006, 08:10 PM
Think he was startled because he didn't realize that the coming Heroes forces KNOW of Claire. Believe me, HE knows what she can do and I suspect he's going to want to use it to his benefit. The info that others know she is in peril is something he hadn't counted on at this point in time.
RainbowFrankenstein
Oct 30 2006, 08:06 PM
i just dislike eden for filling him in to everything
Harmen Hambargarz
Oct 30 2006, 08:14 PM
He might have been suprised that she needed saving at all. He thinks that she is indistructable, after the video and the car crash. He might even know about the autopsy, the idea that she could be threatened probably hasn't come into his mind.
heroewatch
Oct 30 2006, 08:19 PM
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Think he was startled because he didn't realize that the coming Heroes forces KNOW of Claire. Believe me, HE knows what she can do and I suspect he's going to want to use it to his benefit. The info that others know she is in peril is something he hadn't counted on at this point in time.
WHen Eden sees those paintings of Issac's she's going to inform HRG and then he'll be more shocked. Or does he already know of the paintings, I don't think that he does yet. HRG is such a mystery, it's going to keep us watching along with our own fav Heroes. I really want to know what he is up to but somehow I don't think he's the real mastermind behind moving the chess pieces. Wonder what his motive is and whether he has a boss.
Super DJ
Oct 30 2006, 08:24 PM
Part of me keeps thinking that we are being delibrately misled as to HRG guys intents towards the "Heroes."
Perhaps he isnt out to HARM them but to recruit them for the government, turn them into weapons or "Super Soldiers" or something.
Its obvious he DOES have actual FEELINGS of love for Claire, so maybe he's just out to protect her from his own government agencies plans for super powered people...I dont know any of this for sure of course, just theories...I could be way off and he IS totally evil, lol...
Ard_Choille
Oct 30 2006, 08:32 PM
I think that Eden's role in all of this happens to be her job. I do think HRG really has been keeping Claire protected (in a noble way) all along. Hearing that she's the one to be saved kind of goes against his plans to keep her abilities a secret.
I feel badly for Claire though. I've been thinking for a while now that HRG's company engineered her. The bio-parent hoax doesn't convince me otherwise although I don't think the company HRG is with is entirely bad.
heroewatch
Oct 30 2006, 08:37 PM
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I think that Eden's role in all of this happens to be her job. I do think HRG really has been keeping Claire protected (in a noble way) all along. Hearing that she's the one to be saved kind of goes against his plans to keep her abilities a secret.
I feel badly for Claire though. I've been thinking for a while now that HRG's company engineered her. The bio-parent hoax doesn't convince me otherwise although I don't think the company HRG is with is entirely bad.
Interesting, HRG must know that he cannot keep the Heroes powers a secret for long, especially as he keeps hearing of new ones, like hearing about Hiro tonite. And didnt' he say "cool" when he heard about the time traveler Hiro? Why would he say that? I really wonder what his plan is.
QuarterDone
Oct 30 2006, 08:45 PM
I still think HRG is up to no good. I know he seems all caring and all, but I'm not buying it.
Mighty Lauren
Oct 30 2006, 08:45 PM
QUOTE (Ard_Choille @ Oct 30 2006, 11:32 PM)

I think that Eden's role in all of this happens to be her job. I do think HRG really has been keeping Claire protected (in a noble way) all along. Hearing that she's the one to be saved kind of goes against his plans to keep her abilities a secret.
I feel badly for Claire though. I've been thinking for a while now that HRG's company engineered her. The bio-parent hoax doesn't convince me otherwise although I don't think the company HRG is with is entirely bad.
Maybe her bioparents weren't a hoax enirely... maybe they've always worked for him,and they are claire's parents.Perhaps that's why he never WANTED her to meet them.
I personally don't think Mr. Bennet (why MUST we all refer to him as HRG when he has a name?) is nefarious in the slightest. I think he works for a group that monitors this new strain of humans. I think Chandra Suresh was working for them. Or at least passing some sort of information to them before he passed.
At the moment the only clear "bad guy" I've seen is Sylar. And if I'm right Sylar is the one they'll be saving "the cheerleader" from. (Whichever cheerleader that may be)
CiPe
Oct 30 2006, 08:50 PM
What if HRG isnt evil... maybe he is like a watcher or gatherer bringing the heros together when the time is right... Testing all their abilities to recruit the best?
Warrior/Poet
Oct 30 2006, 08:54 PM
I thin the little girl found by Matt lost her parents in a similar way to Claire losing hers.
We assume the girl's parents were killed for their powers - thus their brains stolen - so Sylar could eat them, study them, whatever...
Maybe Sylar is gathering powers. Needs indestructability from Claire.
Claire may have had parents who had powers who were killed. HRG took her in, felt sorry for her as a child, baby.
Maybe he's watching over her, protecting her, the same way Harry Potter was shuffled off to his Aunt's house.
Discuss.
redlirpa
Oct 30 2006, 09:07 PM
QUOTE (Super DJ @ Oct 30 2006, 11:24 PM)

Part of me keeps thinking that we are being delibrately misled as to HRG guys intents towards the "Heroes."
Perhaps he isnt out to HARM them but to recruit them for the government, turn them into weapons or "Super Soldiers" or something.
Its obvious he DOES have actual FEELINGS of love for Claire, so maybe he's just out to protect her from his own government agencies plans for super powered people...I dont know any of this for sure of course, just theories...I could be way off and he IS totally evil, lol...
Well it was obvious that the bioparents were people that work for HRG that were not her parents at all. I get the feeling that Claire was created from 2 parents with powers, for HRG to study...evolution the next generation is better than the first. I think that Claire, Mikkah, Peter & Nathan are all second generations. I think HRG sent Eden to Isaacs to see what Peter and Isaac really know, but maybe she will lead the heroes to Claire, if Matt can read her mind (or meet Peter and he can read the minds) and remember reading HRG's mind.
Eric in Long Beach
Oct 30 2006, 08:55 PM
"HRG" stands for what?
Perhaps he could be good, but I don't think so.
Warrior/Poet
Oct 30 2006, 08:58 PM
Horn Rimmed Glasses
Eric in Long Beach
Oct 30 2006, 09:00 PM
Thanks.
mature Duluth
Oct 30 2006, 09:02 PM
QUOTE (QuarterDone @ Oct 30 2006, 10:10 PM)

Think he was startled because he didn't realize that the coming Heroes forces KNOW of Claire. Believe me, HE knows what she can do and I suspect he's going to want to use it to his benefit. The info that others know she is in peril is something he hadn't counted on at this point in time.
I would totally agree with you, I think he will have to speed up on his plans for Claire.
Briar
Oct 30 2006, 09:15 PM
I expected the parents to be plants, like Eden, just to give comfort to Claire, yet... if they worked for HRG they should be fired.
It was totally akward... I mean, if they were actors (lol pun) it couldn't get more akward unless one of them pulled a script out of the pocket to read to Claire.
If HRG had them in his pocket, so to speak, I don't think he'd be watching them with his wife (when Eden calls). I think he was watching o make sure Claire didn't expose herself to them in some way and blow his cover.
I think the dilemma over HRG is that he now has become personally involved in his business. Mixing business with domestic affairs, so to speak, doesn't turn out well, by a rule of thumb.
Anyways, I think he is shock by the coincidence of it all. After all, out of all the ways to describe a person, especially someone as ... unique... as Claire, why pick "cheerleader" ?!
If he mentally just drew the connection... gosh.
And this episode makes my connections chart a living hell.
nuclearhiro
Oct 30 2006, 10:31 PM
QUOTE (Warrior/Poet @ Oct 30 2006, 08:54 PM)

I thin the little girl found by Matt lost her parents in a similar way to Claire losing hers.
We assume the girl's parents were killed for their powers - thus their brains stolen - so Sylar could eat them, study them, whatever...
Maybe Sylar is gathering powers. Needs indestructability from Claire.
Claire may have had parents who had powers who were killed. HRG took her in, felt sorry for her as a child, baby.
Maybe he's watching over her, protecting her, the same way Harry Potter was shuffled off to his Aunt's house.
Discuss.
i dont really have anything constructive to add, i just wanted to say i really like this theory. really original, i hadnt thought of this before. nice one.
vdefender
Oct 30 2006, 10:36 PM
I think Mr. Bennnet (HRG) is good. He let Matt go perfectly fine, when he erased the boys mind he was actually doing him a huge favor. When he heard the save the cheerleader thing he looked genuinly concerned, obvoiusly because its his is daughter who he has raised and cares for. We have never seen him do anything that could be considered bad. And when he heard the news about hiro from the future, he thought that was cool. If he was a bad guy he should have been thinking - oh crap, how can I stop that?
beggarsdeceiver
Oct 30 2006, 10:36 PM
QUOTE (Briar @ Oct 31 2006, 12:15 AM)

I expected the parents to be plants, like Eden, just to give comfort to Claire, yet... if they worked for HRG they should be fired.
It was totally akward... I mean, if they were actors (lol pun) it couldn't get more akward unless one of them pulled a script out of the pocket to read to Claire.
If HRG had them in his pocket, so to speak, I don't think he'd be watching them with his wife (when Eden calls). I think he was watching o make sure Claire didn't expose herself to them in some way and blow his cover.
I think the dilemma over HRG is that he now has become personally involved in his business. Mixing business with domestic affairs, so to speak, doesn't turn out well, by a rule of thumb.
Anyways, I think he is shock by the coincidence of it all. After all, out of all the ways to describe a person, especially someone as ... unique... as Claire, why pick "cheerleader" ?!
If he mentally just drew the connection... gosh.
And this episode makes my connections chart a living hell.
Briar- Of course they were plants. The conversation outside the house proved that. HRG was eavesdropping to gauge Claire's reactions.
The Hand of Thanos
Oct 31 2006, 12:09 AM
QUOTE (RainbowFrankenstein @ Oct 30 2006, 08:06 PM)

i just dislike eden for filling him in to everything
I know this is your opinion, but you really shouldn't dislike her for that. Eden is doing something a lot of the audience of the show wants and that is to help bring the heroes together.
She did nudge Mohinder a little bit to hear Peter out and by her telling Mr. Benett the Future Hiro's message, it will have to play out somehow in getting the bunch of them to Texas.
On a seperate note, I have to say I am not entirely sure about the bio-parents little conversation with Claire and what was real and fake... BUT we have just seen two more people that work with Mr. Benett. Can we assume they are just regular associates with no powers or are they like Haitian (MBG) and have some powers that they are useful for?
Master Xander
Oct 31 2006, 02:09 AM
QUOTE (Briar @ Oct 31 2006, 01:15 PM)

I expected the parents to be plants, like Eden, just to give comfort to Claire, yet... if they worked for HRG they should be fired.
It was totally akward... I mean, if they were actors (lol pun) it couldn't get more akward unless one of them pulled a script out of the pocket to read to Claire.
If HRG had them in his pocket, so to speak, I don't think he'd be watching them with his wife (when Eden calls). I think he was watching o make sure Claire didn't expose herself to them in some way and blow his cover.
It's
supposed to be awkward. So, in that respect, they did perfectly.
HRG was probably listening in to make sure that the fake bioparents did their bit, not saying anything to clue Claire in. (Of course, adoptive mom probably did that all on her own after they left.)
Qster
Oct 31 2006, 12:31 AM
QUOTE (vdefender @ Oct 31 2006, 02:36 PM)

I think Mr. Bennnet (HRG) is good. He let Matt go perfectly fine, when he erased the boys mind he was actually doing him a huge favor. When he heard the save the cheerleader thing he looked genuinly concerned, obvoiusly because its his is daughter who he has raised and cares for. We have never seen him do anything that could be considered bad. And when he heard the news about hiro from the future, he thought that was cool. If he was a bad guy he should have been thinking - oh crap, how can I stop that?
I think I'm leaning more toward this theory. I think HRG is actually not bad but working for a company that gathers information about the heros. That is why he always have the memory taker with him. You don't see him knocking out all the heros and memory wiping them all but Matt right? I think he was collecting info on Sylar from Matt cuz he is the only one who had actual contact with him.
Up Up and Away!
Oct 31 2006, 03:24 AM
Has anyone thought of the possibility that HRG works for Linderman?
Linderman seems to be behind a lot of things...
lipsr4kissing
Oct 31 2006, 07:05 AM
QUOTE (redlirpa @ Oct 31 2006, 12:07 AM)

Well it was obvious that the bioparents were people that work for HRG that were not her parents at all. I get the feeling that Claire was created from 2 parents with powers, for HRG to study...evolution the next generation is better than the first. I think that Claire, Mikkah, Peter & Nathan are all second generations. I think HRG sent Eden to Isaacs to see what Peter and Isaac really know, but maybe she will lead the heroes to Claire, if Matt can read her mind (or meet Peter and he can read the minds) and remember reading HRG's mind.
I disagree Mr. Bennett (HRG) said to Eden "Bring the Precog". Which is short for precognitive aka Issac. My guess would be she is going to subdue him with her power..good sex maybe? lol
Sniper
Oct 31 2006, 07:05 AM
Hey guys, new to the boards.
Love this show.
My theory about HRG is that he has other motives that are good. He's been made out to be pretty bad but I truly think he's trying to do good and you can't put him in the same category as Sylar just yet.
His relationship with Claire, you can tell he cares for her. Erasing the mind of the would-be rapist and he's always looking around for her. You also noticed, he's always reminding Claire to "trsut him" and to tell him if "anything is going on". Kind of like hinting to her, I know what you can do, when you're ready confide in me and let me know so we can do something about it or I can show you something that could benefit you.
Also noticing a slight weird tension between HRG and the actors he hired to be the BIO-parents.
The concern when he heard about "save the cheerleader".
As for his knowledge on all the Heroes, I'm 99% sure he already knows ALL about them. I'm pretty sure he knows about Isaac, because at the end of "Better Halves" he tells Eden(Can't hate her just yet maybe shes trying to warm Mohinder up so he can start taking matters into his hands) to go bring the Pre-cog in; for those who dont know Pre-Cog is a term who has the ability of Precoginition aka Telling the future.
He could be bringing in Eden to see his latest paintings to see what will happen to Claire. I'm sure Isaac hasn't had anytime to release his comic book(which HRG reads I'm sure) because the paintings that Peter and Isaac look at look like the comic book Isaac was SUPPOSED to publish. But since he's been so caught up on trying to save the world he was backtracked and now Simone took some vital pieces which is sending him and Peter into a scramble.
As for Niki, I don't know what to say. Isaac uncovering the tattoos (I bet Isaac's going to run around his studio lifting paint to see if more symbols appear and then they're going to try to tackle its significance, maybe Peter will recognize it shince hes in the medical field?) I'm not too fond on DL and Niki, at this point they seem so expendable, and I guess I just can't figure out Niki as a hero she just seems like a really mental chick who gets super adrenaline purposes.
Ok.. enough ranting
Arial
Oct 31 2006, 07:13 AM
I think HRG was working with Mohinder's dad, and he is just trying to research futher in to where he left off
jamyp
Oct 31 2006, 07:16 AM
QUOTE (Warrior/Poet @ Oct 30 2006, 10:54 PM)

Claire may have had parents who had powers who were killed. HRG took her in, felt sorry for her as a child, baby.
Maybe he's watching over her, protecting her, the same way Harry Potter was shuffled off to his Aunt's house.
Discuss.
And Sylar tried to kill her when she was a baby but magically transferred his invincibility to her? Neat idea but I doubt it. Too much similarity.
I think that he knew the heroes would try to band, I think he was just surprised that they already knew about Claire.
DaveyJJ
Oct 31 2006, 07:27 AM
QUOTE (QuarterDone @ Oct 30 2006, 11:10 PM)

Think he was startled because he didn't realize that the coming Heroes forces KNOW of Claire.
I agree with this part 100%.
It's the extent to which other heroes are aware of Claire's seeming importance that stopped him momentarily. Claire may not have been seen, to him at least, as such a lynch-pin in everything that's going on. he knows that if attention from other heroes starts to focus on Claire he'll have to start to make some very tough moral decisions sooner than he'd of liked.
Eden obviously doesn't know too much about her bosses background though. But she is just a super cute field operative after all.
BTW, anyone else find it funny that on some gossip newsgroups Niki's alter ego is called "Ikin?"
The Gunzlingr
Oct 31 2006, 07:18 AM
QUOTE (heroewatch @ Oct 30 2006, 10:02 PM)

Perhaps he will use her to gather the other Heroes now that he knows they want to save her.
This is my theory as well. I think that now that he knows they are trying to save her, he will actually help them. I think he is there to study and observe them, that is why they let Matt go. He will become more hands on now that he knows Claire is in danger.
kryhavoc
Oct 31 2006, 07:38 AM
QUOTE (Warrior/Poet @ Oct 30 2006, 09:54 PM)

I thin the little girl found by Matt lost her parents in a similar way to Claire losing hers.
I doubt it. The powers only started showing up about 6 months ago.
Master Xander
Oct 31 2006, 08:22 AM
I first spotted the ikiN thing on TWoP. It stuck with me since.
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