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Godpleaser07
Hey! When her mom said that she had a cough when she was a baby, it kinda sounded familiar. Notice that Nathan and Isaac have had a cough also. I think that for some of the heroes, when their powers develope, they also develope this cough. Which also means, that Claire has been indestructable her whole life, but is just now realizing it herself. What do you think?
DiscoDave
Personally, this makes me believe that HRG's organization is who is responsible for these Heroes getting their powers in some fashion. Nathan was in a car accident as a child, Isaac has been in rehab, Claire had this cough...it's so convenient that quite a few of our heroes have in some form needed to be hospitalized. Not only that, but HRG made mention of Matt being "too far along" when he heard his thoughts of Claire before MBG "cleaned him out".

Maybe, just *maybe* HRG's organization (in cooperation with Chandra Suresh) did genetic work to give these heroes their abilities. That's my theory & I'm stickin' to it.
Godpleaser07
QUOTE (DiscoDave @ Oct 31 2006, 06:20 AM) *
Personally, this makes me believe that HRG's organization is who is responsible for these Heroes getting their powers in some fashion. Nathan was in a car accident as a child, Isaac has been in rehab, Claire had this cough...it's so convenient that quite a few of our heroes have in some form needed to be hospitalized. Not only that, but HRG made mention of Matt being "too far along" when he heard his thoughts of Claire before MBG "cleaned him out".

Maybe, just *maybe* HRG's organization (in cooperation with Chandra Suresh) did genetic work to give these heroes their abilities. That's my theory & I'm stickin' to it.


Good thinking.. that may be the case! smile.gif
PLAS
QUOTE (Delxain @ Oct 31 2006, 09:24 AM) *
Did she say extra chromosome? I thought she just said there was a problem with her chromosome. My sister has an extra chromosome and trust me it doesn't give you super powers...

maybe she doesn't that the "super power" chromosome... unsure.gif
jaeorumn
QUOTE (DiscoDave @ Oct 31 2006, 05:20 AM) *
Maybe, just *maybe* HRG's organization (in cooperation with Chandra Suresh) did genetic work to give these heroes their abilities. That's my theory & I'm stickin' to it.


Goodness gracious people do you not pay any attention?!? At the very beginning of every episode it tells you exactly how these people got their powers. Evolution. But I guess that is hard for some people to grasp since they don't believe that people have evolved in the first place.
Claire's mom mentions that she has an extra chromosome. Claire's dad is only analyzing the other hero's he's capturing and then erasing their memories n letting them go. I think he is catagorizing them for some future purpose. But I think it started when he found out Claire was special.
Delxain
QUOTE (jaeorumn @ Oct 31 2006, 08:20 AM) *
Goodness gracious people do you not pay any attention?!? At the very beginning of every episode it tells you exactly how these people got their powers. Evolution. But I guess that is hard for some people to grasp since they don't believe that people have evolved in the first place.
Claire's mom mentions that she has an extra chromosome. Claire's dad is only analyzing the other hero's he's capturing and then erasing their memories n letting them go. I think he is catagorizing them for some future purpose. But I think it started when he found out Claire was special.


Did she say extra chromosome? I thought she just said there was a problem with her chromosome. My sister has an extra chromosome and trust me it doesn't give you super powers...
PLAS
one more thing:

I don't think Mr Bennet's "organization" gave anyone powers, it seems like they're investigating and analyzing specials, and the fact that his adopted daughter is special too might be a good motivation to have a more active role in this whole evolution process

I love this show
asnpcwiz
QUOTE (Delxain @ Oct 31 2006, 10:24 AM) *
Did she say extra chromosome? I thought she just said there was a problem with her chromosome. My sister has an extra chromosome and trust me it doesn't give you super powers...


Her mom definitely said she had a problem with her chromosomes. Regardless, I didn't know hospitals actually tested chromosomes of little kids. Is this purely a precautionary thing?!
Ard_Choille
QUOTE (Delxain @ Oct 31 2006, 10:24 AM) *
Did she say extra chromosome? I thought she just said there was a problem with her chromosome. My sister has an extra chromosome and trust me it doesn't give you super powers...
Nope, she said they "thought there was something wrong with your chromosomes", then something to the effect of wanting to have the bio-rents screened.

I bet Claire was thinking...Somebody is hiding something from me...daddio.
Dethwalker
I don't think Papa Suresh was in on it. He certainly believed that this was a natural genetic mutation.

I did find it interesting that Claire's Mom said they could not find the Bio-parents earlier. Could this be a cover-up by HRG? Could these be 'fake" Bio-parents? Does Claire actually have birth parents. The possibility for conspiracy theories abounds...


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Ard_Choille
QUOTE (skinned @ Oct 31 2006, 10:55 AM) *
I think that HRG may be planting something in their brains that would eliminate Sylar's ability to absorb their powers if he steals their brain. Why else would Matt not have lost his powers after his encounter? Just a thought...
If anything, he's enabling their power to get stronger. When Matt came home from being wiped, his powers were crazy strong.
PLAS
QUOTE (Dethwalker @ Oct 31 2006, 09:37 AM) *
I don't think Papa Suresh was in on it. He certainly believed that this was a natural genetic mutation.

I did find it interesting that Claire's Mom said they could not find the Bio-parents earlier. Could this be a cover-up by HRG? Could these be 'fake" Bio-parents? Does Claire actually have birth parents. The possibility for conspiracy theories abounds...
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they were fake, it was clearly established
skinned
QUOTE (Ard_Choille @ Oct 31 2006, 10:39 AM) *
Nope, she said they "thought there was something wrong with your chromosomes", then something to the effect of wanting to have the bio-rents screened.

I bet Claire was thinking...Somebody is hiding something from me...daddio.


I think that HRG may be planting something in their brains that would eliminate Sylar's ability to absorb their powers if he steals their brain. Why else would Matt not have lost his powers after his encounter? Just a thought...
PLAS
QUOTE (Ard_Choille @ Oct 31 2006, 10:00 AM) *
If anything, he's enabling their power to get stronger. When Matt came home from being wiped, his powers were crazy strong.



that's something I hadn't thought about
SOnMyChest
QUOTE (DiscoDave @ Oct 31 2006, 07:20 AM) *
Personally, this makes me believe that HRG's organization is who is responsible for these Heroes getting their powers in some fashion. Nathan was in a car accident as a child, Isaac has been in rehab, Claire had this cough...it's so convenient that quite a few of our heroes have in some form needed to be hospitalized. Not only that, but HRG made mention of Matt being "too far along" when he heard his thoughts of Claire before MBG "cleaned him out".

Maybe, just *maybe* HRG's organization (in cooperation with Chandra Suresh) did genetic work to give these heroes their abilities. That's my theory & I'm stickin' to it.


Ok this sounds great for one thing. The organization may have something to do with the powers and abilities. But with respects to the Suresh family...I dont think there was any true cooperation. I mean they may have talked and used Chandra as a guide as to help the process without him knowing. There was way to much discussion of natural selection and evolution. Following Darwin's theories and such. If these are man made abilities then Chandra would not be going on about the Natural and evolution theories.
Habbit
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Maybe, just *maybe* HRG's organization (in cooperation with Chandra Suresh) did genetic work to give these heroes their abilities. That's my theory & I'm stickin' to it.


Interesting... but then you'd have to remember the other heroes whom HRG has never been in association with, for example, Hiro, whose power he thought was 'cool.'
Suprfan
Recall that Prof. Chandra's book name was "ACTIVATING evolution". This implies active process rather than just plain Darvinian evolution
MDC
HRG isnt giving our heros thier powers , he is only observing them and recording data. Proof is the phone call between him and eden where Eden mentions that they might have possibly found someone who could bend time and space to which HRG responds " cool"

My prediction for HRG and his orginization is : friendly goverment agency who ( after observing) will help our heros while at th same time record the data and possibly use our heros for something on a more broader scale.(with a possible plot twist later on down the road where our heros think the orginization is becoming "evil" )

About Claires childhood illness : Definately shows how and where HRG got intrested in the "mutations" in the body that enables superhuman powers. To get funding he invited agencys to observe his findings (without actualy giving away claires identity) . This gives him the fredom to "abduct" our heros and test them. He never harmed them in the least and his mind wiping buddy onyl erases that encounter from the memory.. which suggests a "tag and release" operation. It will be intresting to see what happens when he tracks down hiro. Whats even funnier then all this is that they have no idea of Peters potential .. they only think he thinks he can fly.

Claire is now in a semi controled enviroment and experimenting with her powers. Her friend went to HRG and said " oyur daughter is a mutant" and thats how he got the tape , it also explains why he wants to spend so much time with her and why HRG is friendly toward the boy. I know (as a father) if my daughter was spending that much time with a boy i would be all over the kid with questions and being a "protective" father. Everyhting HRG has done so far is tryign to coax her into revealing her secret to him. He has known since childhood and he knows her power is active now ( the video tape) and all he wants from her is trust. one thing i didnt like about him this episode was the fact that he brought in "fake" Biological parents to see if she would reveal to them her secret.

Long post , so thanks for reading the whole thing tongue.gif
SukiWatching
QUOTE (asnpcwiz @ Oct 31 2006, 07:34 AM) *
Her mom definitely said she had a problem with her chromosomes. Regardless, I didn't know hospitals actually tested chromosomes of little kids. Is this purely a precautionary thing?!


Amniocentesis is commonly done on pregent women-- the test involves checking the cells from the fetus for chromosomal abnormalities such as Down Syndrome, which is caused by having 3 copies of chromosome 21


Also, I don't think Matt was "wiped" (except for the memories of what happened to him). As I recall, HRG told MM to "go deep" -- implying that they were probing him, possibly exploring the extent of his potential, possibly, as has been suggested, augmenting his skills or implanting some sort of protection.

I think that HRG's group is not evil, but not quite good either, rather, they are some shade of gray (this is what I hope-- shades of gray are more interesting than black and white). They use unorthodox methods: drugging Matt's drink, breaking into Pertrelli's hotel room, mindwiping Brody. But they returned Matt (apparently) unharmed, and HRG seems genuinely concerned about protecting Claire. They aren't "evil", but they have particular goals, and those goals may not match up with our "heroes'" goals.
paladex
If HRG isn't evil, he's doing a pretty good imitation of it. He may be genuinely conflicted about his desire to protect his daughter (he certainly did daddy-duty on the QB), but it was fairly clear that his organization murdered Dr. Saresh when he got too close to the truth. And how about when he was watching the video tape of his daughter and saying "It really does break my heart ..." in a very menacing tone of voice.

Since his his organization operates completely outside the law, whether it's government-funded or private makes little difference (think "SD-6" on Alias). Operating under the premise that "the ends justify the means" is ALWAYS a tell-tale sign that a character is not a good guy.

With all that said, I agree that "shades of grey" characters are much more interesting.
Ongotom
Claire's mom wan't even sure that she had a cough. And knowing HRG, he just told the mom whatever she needed to hear. He probably found out about her mutation at that point when she was a baby and hid it. And he just didn't tell the mom cause well..she's kinda not all there.
ash&los2
QUOTE (DiscoDave @ Oct 31 2006, 04:20 AM) *
Personally, this makes me believe that HRG's organization is who is responsible for these Heroes getting their powers in some fashion. Nathan was in a car accident as a child, Isaac has been in rehab, Claire had this cough...it's so convenient that quite a few of our heroes have in some form needed to be hospitalized. Not only that, but HRG made mention of Matt being "too far along" when he heard his thoughts of Claire before MBG "cleaned him out".

Maybe, just *maybe* HRG's organization (in cooperation with Chandra Suresh) did genetic work to give these heroes their abilities. That's my theory & I'm stickin' to it.


Not to get into semantics, but, HRG said:

"They're further along than we thought"

not "Too Far Along"

points to more of a discovery than a Creation.
Keshire
QUOTE (paladex @ Oct 31 2006, 02:32 PM) *
but it was fairly clear that his organization murdered Dr. Saresh when he got too close to the truth.


I assume you haven't looked at the first comic? The one with the Car torn in 2 as if done by telekinesis?

They may have made it seem that way on the show but the comic delves further into the death of Chandra.
HolyHellraiser
QUOTE (MDC @ Oct 31 2006, 01:44 PM) *
Her friend went to HRG and said " oyur daughter is a mutant" and thats how he got the tape , it also explains why he wants to spend so much time with her and why HRG is friendly toward the boy.


no frikkin way he gave him the tape!
Lady Heather
I said my piece in the general discussion thread, so I will copy and paste it here:

My two cents: He loves her. Yes, he might be a cad, and staged a "bio-parent" meeting to allay any suspicions she may have had. But here is my theory:

1) He is collecting all of the information he can about the "heroes", or genetic "variants" (I refuse to say "mutants" for obvious reasons). A national registry? Sorry if that sounds a little Bush-like (I have no interest in a Bush discussion).

2) I would not be surprised if he left her off of that list.

3) Upon hearing the "save the cheerleader" thing, he may have to come up with a plan. When I say this, it is because I believe he is not the "boss" here. He is a puppet. For whom, I cannot say. Sylar? The government? Who knows.
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