What did poker slugs wanted from Hiro and Ando when they cornered them in the parking lot? Find out how they cheated? If that then why invite them to another game instead of just beating it out of them?

Also, why do Hiro and Ando still have their money? I would presume poker guys would rob them before throwing them out in the desert.

Also, what was the purpose of that last game in the basement? Was it to cheat out the guy with the gun? There was some tension between the cowboy hat guy and the gun guy. Ando mentioned that they "still owe them money".

Why was Ando surprised when he got his cards?

There are a lot of unanswered questions in that scene...

1. It seemed to me they wanted their money back, or something. (Or, y'know, kill Ando and Hiro. Doing it in what looks like an abandoned warehouse would be better than in a parking lot.)

2. I think Ando mentioned something about not using their own money, so I think they were trying to win back the money they took from the thugs by playing against the other guy.

3. See #2.

4. Because it was a GREAT hand.

ando was surprised that hiro gave him that good a hand because ando told him spefically not to do that. if i remember correctly he gave him an all black suit straight. that was a great hand.

I thought he told Hiro to give the other guy a good-but-not-great hand, but I could be wrong.

I think they just wanted to find out how they did it. If I had cards and then magically I didn't and someone else had them, i'd be confused. They probably wanted to find otu how it worked and then they would have tried to do it too.

Ohh & Ando's hand was really good. That's why he was shocked.

Let me see, I think I can answer some of this for you (and please, anyone else here feel free to correct me if I missed something).

The guys in the parking lot know they were cheated, they don't so much care how, they just want their money back (and maybe a weeee bit extra - for interest). They were brought to that second game to pay off the debt they've been told they owe by cheating another guy.

I really doubt it was their own money they were playing with in that game. The guy who forced them into it probably staked them.

The game was, as stated above, to cheat the armed man out of a ton of money. The tension came from the fact that the armed guy started to catch on that he was being played, and he knew that Ando was brought into the game by the guy in the hat. Therefore, he suspects - correctly - that they were conspiring to take his money.

Ando saying that they still owed him money was probably in reference to a set minimum ammount they were supposed to win in the game that they probably hadn't hit yet.

Ando was probably shocked to see such a great hand after he told Hiro to give him a good hand, but not too good. If a guy suspects you're cheating it isn't going to make him feel any better about things if you draw a straight flush on the very next hand.

I think that should clear some things up for you.

I agree. The gun guy was being played and hat guy wanted some quick funds and got killed instead...bummer.

So, has anyone checked to see if the gun the guy at the poker game had was the same gun from the rest of the series? =)

J

Correct.


As for the gun, they are different. This man had a revolver.


As for Hiro's new button, lol. That i beleive WILL play a role in an upcomeing episode. Peter may see it, and have a total, WTF?!

I'm shure its been said before but how stupid was hiro to switch the cards in that guys hand

Well, maybe Hiro gave them good cards, but he sure gave Ando one hell of a hand.

no it wasn't the gun at the card table was a revolver, it looked like a .38, a common MOB hit gun.

The other gun was an automatic, meaning it had to be loaded with a "clip" or magazine.

I'm surprised nobody has asked the really important question about the poker game...

Why was it draw poker? Nobody plays 5-card draw anymore!

Actually, it would seem that he doesn't exactly need that much "recharge" time, if he was using his powers constantly during the poker game.

What I found to be the most interesting part of the Poker game was that Hiro couldn't stop time once the attack happened. I thought that was odd at first.
Then we found out that Jessica/ikkiN was the one doing the killing. So it makes me wonder if Hiro has issues stopping time that cooresponds with other powers being used by other "Heros".

Hiro was trying, but Ando was stopping him, or preventing him from concentrating hard enough to do it. Remember that it seems to take him time to get his power to work. He didn't get enough time to do so.

You also have to take into consideration that he had just used his powers to stop time and possibly did not have enough "recharge" time before attempting again.

Interesting thought. Could it have been that Hiro lost his train of thought to stop time. He reacted to the body getting flung into the restroom door, infront of him.
I guess seeing is believing. I wanta see it again on someone else.

Hey future Hiro didn't freeze Peter. I wonder if he did that out of will or if he just couldn't freeze him.
My new name for Jessica/Ikin./ BNN<bad news niki>

i disagree. i don't think its that he couldn't stop it {although that may be possible, we still have to see} but rather that he was scared out of his mind and just froze. although i wonder if they'll actually allow him to go back and do a redo with the whole thing and prevent them from being killed, as his friend suggested.

Hardly. What's the point? To save couple of bad guys and risk another rift?

I think Ando was using a great psychological trick. Telling Hiro that you can go back to fix it when you have mastered your powers had the effect of immediatly calming him down. That is the important thing in most real life cases. Hiro will probably learn later that his power is limited (see "rifts").

I sometimes use this method with my wife. She may get really upset about something that is not going to matter in the long run (like I never get any new clothes. I have nothing to wear." etc). I can sometimes appease her by telling her that she can have the thing later (sometimes after a specific event, i.e. Friday's paycheck, Christmas, etc.)

The farther away the time is the more likely it is that she will forget (or understand why we can't afford the thing) before the new deadline rolls around.

I believe the poker hand was 6,7,8,9,10 of spades..

A flush straight...which would only be beat by a royal flush

The bigger WHY that I want answered is why did ikin/jessica/whateveryouwanttocallher kill everyone at the game? DL does establish that the guys had a connection to Linderman, but it seems odd that she would rip these guys apart right before DL takes Niki to see them.

Did cowboy guy maybe help to launder the money and she had to kill him so he wouldn't tell DL about it? Did she just want to steal the money from the game? Any other theories?

I have a feeling that Hiro was unable to stop time and save the poker players. Must have something to do with Jessica being there. We need more info though.

When Future Hiro stopped time on the subway was Peter not affected because he is able to absorb Hiro's power? Or can Hiro choose to keep someone else out of the stop time. If so, this is the only case we have seen so far where he has done so.

Obviously Ando shaking him out of concentration caused him to not be able. As for going back in time right now he obviously doesn't have enough control to reverse time and save them all.

It would be technically impossible for him to travel back and save them.

Yeah, he was going to go there to help get the girl who stole the 2,000,000 identified.

Then he would get revenge.

And it was Jessica.

So she killed witnesses ("the witnesses were kinda sloppy")

why seems like he could to me it might not be the best idea but he could whats stoping him a potential rift from being around his past self maybe thats all i can figure

Because on traveling back intime to alter the past, he'd be altering the very reason why he'd go back in time in the first place.

i agree... it's the same when he got punched.

as for the hand, ando wanted hiro to give the guy a good hand that he would bet high on, therefore winning more money

Actually, I think if the writers choose to send Hiro back to the poker game to change the outcome, it will setup a butterfly effect that will be significant. This may actually be why he chooses not to go back as he puts the pieces together later. Let me explain. Nikki kills those guys to prevent her husband from finding out about her, but he does anyway the next morning with the money briefcase in her hand, they fight, unknown outcome, but she's either ****** off and hunting him for all she's worth, or dead.

If she's dead, then I think the writers will take Hiro back and fix the poker game, which will put them in direct contact with Jessica, but which will also change her entire plans. Either her husband goes and talks to them the next morning and he finds out a less 'confrontative' way, or the Nikkis change their plans the next morning, either don't get the money immeidately, or try to tell him in a different way that prevents the big fight.

If she's ****** and on his tail, then going back and preventing it could still significantly change the whole last half of 1.06.



Well, that's hard to say. Right now the only suggested rule if it even is one is that the Hiro's shouldn't meet. He was in the bathroom the whole time and never even when back into the room. It would be challenging but possible to change the fight so the bathroom Hiro/Ando still think there's a big fight, but the back in time Hiro removes the poker ppl from the room entirely and saves them.


Spoiler Comment
This pretty much sets up that he's going to do some type of action, although it may not be regarding this one, but they've definitely pointed towards it.

why would hiro care about niki or the poker players... he cannot save everyone on the planet.

I think that scene and conversation with Ando just sets up the thought in Hiro's mind that he can go back into the past and try and change things. Not necessarily this one, but anything else. (Hence, FutureHiro going back to the past to talk to Peter.)

But he wants to.. He did care about those poker players dying.. Thugs they may have been but he didn't want them dead.

Super Heroes don't kill.

He's still learning about his power. Still has the mentality of a teenager. he's got growing up to do and he has to refine is power..

Hiro did seem scared an his friend was distracting him maybe Nik has an accomplice that can also manipulate time and space

it was obvious a person/s with special power slaughtered those poker players that was overkill

uh, no accomplice dude..

Dude, I do the same thing!