CraigB
Nov 1 2006, 04:13 PM
Talk about Little Miss Miracle Grow here!
chevyjock
Nov 1 2006, 05:02 PM
now, zach said that as a secret...
Agent42
Nov 1 2006, 11:56 PM
I enjoy that she "just wants to be a normal." She's adopted, she's probably a little sensitive about that, and has worked hard to overcome any stigmas attached to it (I don't know, that's just the stereotype I get from pop culture so no offense to any adopted kids out there) -- she's popular, a cheerleader, overachiever type. So having a special ability would stress that she's "different from other kids" even more -- thus her intense desire to keep it a secret. She just wants to be accepted.
I like this bit of insecurity, it's a good character flaw for her. Also her (relative) immaturity and temper are cool flaws, too.
She's obviously not going to give up on her quest to find her natural parents, so this might be an interesting journey.
StillLearning
Nov 2 2006, 10:36 AM
QUOTE (Agent42 @ Nov 1 2006, 11:56 PM)

I enjoy that she "just wants to be a normal." She's adopted, she's probably a little sensitive about that, and has worked hard to overcome any stigmas attached to it (I don't know, that's just the stereotype I get from pop culture so no offense to any adopted kids out there) -- she's popular, a cheerleader, overachiever type. So having a special ability would stress that she's "different from other kids" even more -- thus her intense desire to keep it a secret. She just wants to be accepted.
I like this bit of insecurity, it's a good character flaw for her. Also her (relative) immaturity and temper are cool flaws, too.
She's obviously not going to give up on her quest to find her natural parents, so this might be an interesting journey.
The one thing that's starting to bother me a little about Claire is the constant accidents she's having that are showing off her healing ability.
Some kinda make sense even if they are exaggerated like being tackled on the football field so hard that your head spins *entirely* around.
Others are questionable like smashing a car into a brick wall and coming through without a scratch while your passenger is really messed up.
And some are really showing a lack of common sense. Like reaching into an oven w/o mitts and burning your hands while your mother is in the same room or reaching down a running garbage disposal when you could just as easily turn it off.
I'm starting to wonder if subconsciously she wants to be caught or if there's more going on in Claire's mind then we've seen.
Tomcat
Nov 2 2006, 11:02 AM
I don't think she wants to be caught. Instead, I think she keeps hoping to hurt herself in a way that doesn't heal, letting her feel more "normal".
Tom
Tomcat
Nov 2 2006, 11:36 AM
QUOTE (StillLearning @ Nov 2 2006, 02:06 PM)

Only problem I have with this theory is she is doing things that if didn't heal from them, she'd be maimed for life (ie the garbage disposal incident) or dead (jumping from the bridge 6 times)
I don't know about you, but I didn't think to clearly when I was 17

Tom
StillLearning
Nov 2 2006, 11:06 AM
QUOTE (Tomcat @ Nov 2 2006, 11:02 AM)

I don't think she wants to be caught. Instead, I think she keeps hoping to hurt herself in a way that doesn't heal, letting her feel more "normal".
Tom
Only problem I have with this theory is she is doing things that if didn't heal from them, she'd be maimed for life (ie the garbage disposal incident) or dead (jumping from the bridge 6 times)
Thik
Nov 2 2006, 11:46 AM
The whole problem with her "normal" thing is that NOBODY is normal.. Everyone has a little quirk that makes them different and unique. She needs to get over the whole normal thing.
polyglotton
Nov 2 2006, 12:59 PM
It is hinted in episode number six that Claire has had the ability to regenerate her whole life(by her non-biomother), and it seems likely that H.R.G. was aware of her abilities long before he came to posses the tape. On this point, I suspect that Claire has simply become more careless than the average person on account of the fact that she is less prone to injury. There are real people who cannot feel pain and must learn not to touch stoves, stick their hands into fire, etc. She has just become used to being invincible and doesn't think about stuff like we normal people do.
Foenix
Nov 2 2006, 10:15 PM
Heck, if I knew I had a healing factor, I wouldn't waste time grabbing a mitt to take pans out of the oven either!
=)
J
Ywen
Nov 3 2006, 02:21 AM
the true power of claire !...
Dangard Ace
Nov 3 2006, 10:03 AM
lol! She pwned Malcolm so much it's almost not funny!
QUOTE (Foenix @ Nov 3 2006, 01:15 AM)

Heck, if I knew I had a healing factor, I wouldn't waste time grabbing a mitt to take pans out of the oven either!
=)
J
Got that right. It'd make tending a bonfire so much easier too.
Stufsocker
Nov 3 2006, 12:09 PM
Claire says in the first episode that her jumping off that platform was "attempt #6." When you say somethign like attempt it means to me that she was trying to commit suicide and that it was thwarted b/c she's stuck in her super regenerative body. If she's suicidal then it makes sense to me that she's continue to do these stupid things b/c she just doesn't like her life. It's true she could get caught, but notice she only does this stuff around her mother, not HRG. I think the mom's flaky enough to not notice something like her daughter's fingers getting chopped up in the disposal. I bet there will be a massive freak-out if she finds out her father knows about her power.
SweetLaura
Nov 3 2006, 02:22 PM
Oh I really don't think she's suicidal or has any alterior motives... it's just the kind of thing that if you didn't have to worry about getting hurt, you wouldn't. Plus from a television show position, her power (i think) is one of the most interesting ones to watch. Flying or completely healing yourself.. hmmmmm...
I think that HRG may have adopted her specifically because he knew she might have powers
Nocterayne
Nov 5 2006, 12:18 AM
How many damn cheerleading uniforms does this girl have?
hulkamania85
Nov 5 2006, 01:17 PM
QUOTE (Thik @ Nov 2 2006, 11:46 AM)

The whole problem with her "normal" thing is that NOBODY is normal.. Everyone has a little quirk that makes them different and unique. She needs to get over the whole normal thing.
She's in high school. Kids those age always worry about being "normal", because there is a standard of "normal" around that age.
Battlecat
Nov 5 2006, 03:34 PM
QUOTE (Nocterayne @ Nov 5 2006, 03:18 AM)

How many damn cheerleading uniforms does this girl have?
Amen to that! And it's like the cheerleaders at this school never wear anything else... like at that bonfire postgame party: all the football players are in civvies, what's with the cheerleaders?!
comicfan09
Nov 5 2006, 03:50 PM
Well we all know Claire is crazy!
peabodyseven
Nov 7 2006, 06:13 AM
Obviously, Claire is one of the few heroes who's power developed early on. Apparently something happened to her as a child that her father was witness to, therefore he knew about her regenerating ability. I'm sure he must've tested her in some casual way so as to not draw suspicion to what he was doing. Could be HRG was not yet part of that mysterious organization and after he was recruited, decided not to subject Claire to that "witchhunt"-- which could be another reason she isn't snagged and tagged. However, my biggest gripe is with all the people who are obsessed with the idea that it was CLAIRE as a young girl that Matt found in the cubby in the wall. I implore you, PLEASE, PLEASE, STOP this nonsense at once! There is absolutely NO connection between Claire and the little girl since the slaughter of the girl's parents happened in the same time frame as when Claire is in her teens! Don't you watch the show? Don't you pay attention? Please..stop.
skazaremi
Nov 7 2006, 07:29 AM
They should add adimantium to her skeleton and give her claws, inject her with the super soilder stuff and she'll be like Wolverine. Then all she'd have to do it grow a beard, lol but I doubt she'd be as cute as she is now.
peabodyseven
Nov 7 2006, 08:55 AM
QUOTE (skazaremi @ Nov 7 2006, 10:29 AM)

They should add adimantium to her skeleton and give her claws, inject her with the super soilder stuff and she'll be like Wolverine. Then all she'd have to do it grow a beard, lol but I doubt she'd be as cute as she is now.
She'd probably look like a combination of the bearded lady in the sideshow and a female body builder in a cheerleader's uniform...

..you know that's kinda sexy

.. in some weird, sick, twisted, perverted, demented way..hmmmm

..
elswinger
Nov 7 2006, 04:54 PM
Harry Knowles has the ability to read my mind
here is the proof.
OpDDay2001
Nov 7 2006, 05:56 PM
Maybe this is just me, but does anyone else think that Claire might be a closet Masochist? Granted I know very little about masochism and the people who into it (sorry if I offend anyone with this post), but it seems to me that Claire was either really upset with life (not likely, but we'll see in the episode titled "Six Months Ago", as it is suppose to cover more then just Hiro, but mostly Hiro) or she is a masochist. She has her friend tape her doing all these things to herself that are painful and dangerous for normal people. She does it on purpose, and repeatedly. To the point where she's asked her friend to tape her. She seems embarassed by the tape, but she also feels the need to keep it. Perhaps she's a masochist and likes the pain?
It's a disturbing thought from a mind wrought with hunger, so pay no mind to this post if you don't feel like it.
gchicago9
Nov 7 2006, 06:11 PM
QUOTE (Ywen @ Nov 3 2006, 04:21 AM)

the true power of claire !...

whoa that was her!?! wow i loved that episode of malcom in the middle, and i love her character now...reminds me of my older sister a little
Gutta
Nov 8 2006, 01:42 AM
I have finally concluded my theories about the show and why the theme is "Save the cheerleader, save the world". My post about Uluru and Peter should come before this one...but oh well. Oh yea...
SPOILERS...blah blah blah. Don't read if you don't want to know.
Claire is the final piece in the mad power grab that Uluru/Sylar is going through. If destroyed, Sylar will be indestructible and thus be able to conquer mankind at his will. If she is not killed, then Peter is able to destroy him and the future that Hiro has seen will not exist. In that alternate future, Sylar cannot be killed and so the heroes can only fight him, never stop him.
BTW... is Claire the new Noxema girl or something? My girlfriend said she saw her but I turned to the channel too late.
Dangard Ace
Nov 8 2006, 08:40 AM
QUOTE (Gutta @ Nov 8 2006, 04:42 AM)

I have finally concluded my theories about the show and why the theme is "Save the cheerleader, save the world". My post about Uluru and Peter should come before this one...but oh well. Oh yea...
SPOILERS...blah blah blah. Don't read if you don't want to know.
Claire is the final piece in the mad power grab that Uluru/Sylar is going through. If destroyed, Sylar will be indestructible and thus be able to conquer mankind at his will. If she is not killed, then Peter is able to destroy him and the future that Hiro has seen will not exist. In that alternate future, Sylar cannot be killed and so the heroes can only fight him, never stop him.
BTW... is Claire the new Noxema girl or something? My girlfriend said she saw her but I turned to the channel too late.
Hayden's a Neutrogena girl or was. Apparently she's done two ads for them. I've only seen one. Don't know about Noxema though.
AbyssalDeath
Nov 10 2006, 10:50 AM
Actually no one know how old wolverine is. In one comic someone thought he looked a lot like a fellow soldier in world war 2.
Scram Toots
Nov 10 2006, 10:35 AM
IMPORTANT QUESTION CONCERNING CLAIRE'S POWERS:
I was talking to a friend about this and he raised up a very good point concerning the power of tissue regeneration. If Claire can regenerate all tissue in her body, then technically shouldn't she physically keep the same appearance for the rest of her life, or possibly until the end of time?
If someone here is some type of scientist that would know more about this or know where to get some technical information on this, please tell me.
Also, on a side note, this does create a big problem with Wovlerine, since he has the same powers and he actually has aged physically since his powers were fully realized.
annisa
Nov 10 2006, 12:32 PM
QUOTE (AbyssalDeath @ Nov 10 2006, 01:50 PM)

Actually no one know how old wolverine is. In one comic someone thought he looked a lot like a fellow soldier in world war 2.
I think Wolverines birth dates back to the late 1800's if I am not mistaken.
hulkamania85
Nov 11 2006, 01:27 AM
QUOTE (Scram Toots @ Nov 10 2006, 10:35 AM)

IMPORTANT QUESTION CONCERNING CLAIRE'S POWERS:
I was talking to a friend about this and he raised up a very good point concerning the power of tissue regeneration. If Claire can regenerate all tissue in her body, then technically shouldn't she physically keep the same appearance for the rest of her life, or possibly until the end of time?
If someone here is some type of scientist that would know more about this or know where to get some technical information on this, please tell me.
Also, on a side note, this does create a big problem with Wovlerine, since he has the same powers and he actually has aged physically since his powers were fully realized.
If that were the case if that power manifested in childhood wouldn't she still look like a child? Or maybe her aging just stops at a given time.
We were thinking about this in another thread due to Claire wanting those cupcakes tossed: would it even be possible for her to put on weight, or would her powers prevent excess calories from doing anything to her? The reverse would be that tissue regeneration would prevent you from ever burning off fat, which would really suck and mean being careful about exercise level and what you eat the rest of your life because all excess weight would be unloseable. Seemingly awesome powers when thought out completely might have some really bad side effects.
Gutta
Nov 11 2006, 03:02 AM
QUOTE (hulkamania85 @ Nov 11 2006, 04:27 AM)

If that were the case if that power manifested in childhood wouldn't she still look like a child? Or maybe her aging just stops at a given time.
We were thinking about this in another thread due to Claire wanting those cupcakes tossed: would it even be possible for her to put on weight, or would her powers prevent excess calories from doing anything to her? The reverse would be that tissue regeneration would prevent you from ever burning off fat, which would really suck and mean being careful about exercise level and what you eat the rest of your life because all excess weight would be unloseable. Seemingly awesome powers when thought out completely might have some really bad side effects.
Well, I'm gonna try to tackle this as I type it out. Ok, the way we grow and gain weight, etc is through cell mitosis. If I remeber correctly from 9th grade Bio, that's just cell division. No cells die in this process and hence would not need regeneration, they just split into two equal cells. As far as losing weight, cells don't die in that process either. The only reason we can lose weight is because fat cells are like balloons. You can let the air out of them but the balloon still exists - they just take up less space. The reason why people gain weight back so fast is that those same emptied fat cells get hungry and need energy and since they're already there, your body craves food and resources more to "reinflate" those balloons. Now since neither of these involve dead cells, she should be able to gain and lose weight without a problem. However, she does have some issues. People shed skin all the time (just look at the dust on your floor. Yup, that's your skin, and Paul's, and John's and..). Anyway, Claire would not be able to do this since her dead skin cells would just regenerate while she is continually making new skin cells. I can't even imagine what would happen to her body as a result. As far as aging, I do believe that is a result of your cells sort of losing their potency ala cell phone batteries. You can only charge them so many times before the charge does not hold at all. Presumably these cells die and float around in your body. Claire's would not and therefore I assume she would not age grow old in the traditional sense. When I think about this, I don't think her power is exactly regeneration. I wanna think about it broader like hitting the load button in a video game. Her body can just reset to the preset state. This way she can age and have normal life cycles without all the drama I just mentioned. Can you imagine her periods otherwise? I don't think the writers could tackle that one onscreen.
peabodyseven
Nov 11 2006, 04:45 AM
QUOTE (LurkNoMore @ Nov 11 2006, 07:37 AM)

I have to object to psychosis-free there.
If staying a 17 year old, virgin cheerleader for eternity isn't enough to induce severe psychosis then I don't know what is!

(Not to mention the fact that she's hardly psychosis-free
now!

)
I was mocking the effects of PMS..not total mental disability...

...THAT is a whole 'nother ballgame!
peabodyseven
Nov 11 2006, 04:33 AM
QUOTE (Scram Toots @ Nov 10 2006, 01:35 PM)

I was talking to a friend about this and he raised up a very good point concerning the power of tissue regeneration. If Claire can regenerate all tissue in her body, then technically shouldn't she physically keep the same appearance for the rest of her life, or possibly until the end of time?
If someone here is some type of scientist that would know more about this or know where to get some technical information on this, please tell me.
Well, I'm no scientist, but according to someone's theory that I read on some other website, Claire would never have to worry about aging, bad skin, her cycle, and always remain a virgin (if you smart ones out there catch my drift)

. So technically, yeah she would stay a 17-year-old clear-skinned, psychosis-free, virgin-cheerleader for the rest of her unnatural-eternal life, being that she wouldn't die from natural causes either!...
LurkNoMore
Nov 11 2006, 04:37 AM
QUOTE (peabodyseven @ Nov 11 2006, 12:33 PM)

So technically, yeah she would stay a 17-year-old clear skinned, psychosis-free, virgin cheerleader for the rest of her life... :
I have to object to psychosis-free there.
If staying a 17 year old, virgin cheerleader for eternity isn't enough to induce severe psychosis then I don't know what is!

(Not to mention the fact that she's hardly psychosis-free
now!

)
LurkNoMore
Nov 11 2006, 05:07 AM
Oh yes, PMS/PMT is indeed a whole different matter. Hmm. I wonder... Jessica is the physical embodiment of PMT (like the Hulk is to Gamma Radiation)! (Oops, sorry wrong thread

)
hulkamania85
Nov 11 2006, 12:05 PM
QUOTE (Gutta @ Nov 11 2006, 03:02 AM)

Well, I'm gonna try to tackle this as I type it out. Ok, the way we grow and gain weight, etc is through cell mitosis. If I remeber correctly from 9th grade Bio, that's just cell division. No cells die in this process and hence would not need regeneration, they just split into two equal cells. As far as losing weight, cells don't die in that process either. The only reason we can lose weight is because fat cells are like balloons. You can let the air out of them but the balloon still exists - they just take up less space. The reason why people gain weight back so fast is that those same emptied fat cells get hungry and need energy and since they're already there, your body craves food and resources more to "reinflate" those balloons. Now since neither of these involve dead cells, she should be able to gain and lose weight without a problem.
Thanks for the explanation, forgot about some of the details regarding fat cells. I was thinking for a sec that tissue regeneration would cause her to never be able to "deflate" those balloons, causing her to eventually balloon up unless she watched what she ate the rest of her life (oh the freshman 15?, too bad so sad it's never coming off Miss Tissue Regeneration), which would make you not want to have regeneration powers.
It's kind of interesting to think about the possible negative consequences of having super powers, like that comic I've heard of where the dude with invulnerability is unable to feel anything.
Claire
Nov 11 2006, 03:23 PM
QUOTE (Stufsocker @ Nov 3 2006, 04:09 PM)

Claire says in the first episode that her jumping off that platform was "attempt #6." When you say somethign like attempt it means to me that she was trying to commit suicide and that it was thwarted b/c she's stuck in her super regenerative body. If she's suicidal then it makes sense to me that she's continue to do these stupid things b/c she just doesn't like her life. It's true she could get caught, but notice she only does this stuff around her mother, not HRG. I think the mom's flaky enough to not notice something like her daughter's fingers getting chopped up in the disposal. I bet there will be a massive freak-out if she finds out her father knows about her power.
Yep. She was trying to kill herself. In the episiode that was on on Monday (11/06) her friend said something about the tape showing how she was trying to kill herself.
I can't figure out WHY she wants to kill herself, though. It's kinda weird..
peabodyseven
Nov 12 2006, 09:27 AM
Thought: IF Claire's blood was transfered to someone else, would that person absorb some of her abilities? Perhaps the gene that causes Claire to do what she does will affect the genes in another body-- in a sense "healing" them, being that Claire's genes "see" the genes of a normal person as "broken" and must fix them so as to be the same-- hence imbuing them with regenerative powers. Claire's blood can be used to cure every disease from a common cold, to alzheimers, to the worst cancer on Earth and aids and even old age. Would it be possible for her blood to return the dead to life? Does this make sense?....I really shouldn't go off my meds like this too often..
monksDoItEvenHarder
Nov 12 2006, 10:43 AM
claire not only seems to be able to regenerate herself really quick, i think she also got immunity towards all kinds of pain because she gets hurt all the time but she don't really seem to care.
Ronald
Nov 12 2006, 03:04 PM
QUOTE (monksDoItEvenHarder @ Nov 12 2006, 01:43 PM)

claire not only seems to be able to regenerate herself really quick, i think she also got immunity towards all kinds of pain because she gets hurt all the time but she don't really seem to care.
Claire seems to not notice but in truth she just getting use to it. The reason fighter always need to be punching the bag is to get betting and to get use to hitting or being hit. So the more she gets hurt the more she will get use to it until she will just not notice it. Her mom said that she had a strange cauph when she was a kid which might mean she was developing the ability and it didnt set in until she was older in which case all her cells will be reginerated causing her to never age. Getting fat will not be an effect because that is just the cells filling up and deflating so it has nothing to do with regenerating the cells but filling them up. With that logic she would never have to eat either
monksDoItEvenHarder
Nov 13 2006, 03:40 AM
QUOTE (Ronald @ Nov 13 2006, 12:04 AM)

Claire seems to not notice but in truth she just getting use to it. The reason fighter always need to be punching the bag is to get betting and to get use to hitting or being hit. So the more she gets hurt the more she will get use to it until she will just not notice it. Her mom said that she had a strange cauph when she was a kid which might mean she was developing the ability and it didnt set in until she was older in which case all her cells will be reginerated causing her to never age. Getting fat will not be an effect because that is just the cells filling up and deflating so it has nothing to do with regenerating the cells but filling them up. With that logic she would never have to eat either
think it's part of her "power" to be resistant towards pain of physical kind. although if she would be getting used to being hurt (physically) she would at least scream when her fingers are getting shreddered. probably she would even scream if she
was resistant to such sort of pain.
luckily television don't need to be all logical
djrackley
Nov 13 2006, 06:01 AM
Logic = overrated.
peabodyseven
Nov 13 2006, 07:32 AM
QUOTE (peabodyseven @ Nov 12 2006, 12:27 PM)

Claire's blood can be used to cure every disease from a common cold, to alzheimers, to the worst cancer on Earth and aids and even old age.
Okay, it may be a bit of narissicism to quote myself, but another thought along the same lines occured to me. Suppose in Future Hiro's world, Claire somehow does NOT survive and there is an all-out world-wide epidemic that only her blood can be used as a base for a cure because of its regenerative powers...Therefore, "Save the cheerleader. Save the world." becomes relevant, and Future Hiro's visit to Peter is one of desperate measure.
Dangard Ace
Nov 13 2006, 08:13 AM
QUOTE (peabodyseven @ Nov 13 2006, 10:32 AM)

Okay, it may be a bit of narissicism to quote myself, but another thought along the same lines occured to me. Suppose in Future Hiro's world, Claire somehow does NOT survive and there is an all-out world-wide epidemic that only her blood can be used as a base for a cure because of its regenerative powers...Therefore, "Save the cheerleader. Save the world." becomes relevant, and Future Hiro's visit to Peter is one of desperate measure.
Of course this theory is all dependant on the assumption that Claire's blood is transferable. What if host body starts treating Claire's blood as an intruder and attacks? Her blood wouldn't lose since it regenerates.
Ronald
Nov 14 2006, 05:15 AM
QUOTE (Dangard Ace @ Nov 13 2006, 11:13 AM)

Of course this theory is all dependant on the assumption that Claire's blood is transferable. What if host body starts treating Claire's blood as an intruder and attacks? Her blood wouldn't lose since it regenerates.
The regenerative power might not be from the blood at all but from the stem of her brain. She stopped regenerating because a stick went into her brain not taking the blood out of her. That would indicate that the blood does not have any special properties or else she would have still regenerated for some time after the stick went into her brain and then it would stop.
Gutta
Nov 15 2006, 11:57 AM
Blood transfer does not transfer genes with it. Otherwise people who receive donations would take on the characteristics of the donor. Imagine getting blood and now your eyes start turning blue.
dand
Nov 15 2006, 05:16 PM
QUOTE (Gutta @ Nov 15 2006, 01:57 PM)

Blood transfer does not transfer genes with it. Otherwise people who receive donations would take on the characteristics of the donor. Imagine getting blood and now your eyes start turning blue.
that would be cool.
but really i dont think her power can be transfered
Dangard Ace
Nov 15 2006, 05:28 PM
Yeah. I don't think Claire's blood would be considered blood type A, B, or O or any of the variations we would consider normal.
Gemini6Ice
Nov 15 2006, 11:04 PM
QUOTE (dand @ Nov 15 2006, 08:16 PM)

that would be cool.
but really i dont think her power can be transfered
BUT it would be really neat to have a hero whose power is to temporarily bestow powers upon others!
hempingway
Nov 15 2006, 11:30 PM
It doesn't necessarily have to be infusions of HER blood. They can just study it and isolate the regenerative properties to produce some kind of super-vaccine...
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