What's this guy's deal? Talk about Mr. Linderman here.

he and hrg are linked somehow...

no he is HRG

He's obviously linked to DL and Nikki, as it was his henchman that DL was with who were transporting the $2-mil in bribe money for the flying Congressman. Ikkin offed the henchman, buried them in the desert and hid the money.

I think Linderman framed DL for the murders to get rid of him and then used his wife (Nikki) as a prostitute to add insult to injury. He seems to know a lot of things about a lot of people, but is only interested in advancing his agenda in DC (having a Congressman in his pocket). I'm thinking given his dealings and interests he's probably mafia.

I would say they should cast



Ol'Dirty ****** as Linderman. Too bad he's dead. RIP

Umm wrong.. completely. First they stole the 2 million, they were not transporting it for Linderman. It was not the bribe money for Nathan.

Second.. Linderman did not frame DL. As was pretty much slammed into our faces during the last episode, Jessica, Niki's other half did it.

Did you even watch the last episode and read the web comic?

Huh? Like Thik said, did you read the comic? If not, I suggest you do so, it's pretty clear. Also, Nathan never says anything about how the money was supposed to come to him. He goes to Vegas to get the money.

Seriously man, you might want to check out the comic if you haven't already. If you have, you might want to check it again

Tom

I watched the first episode again. It is pretty funny when Peter comes in to tell Nathan he can fly. Nathan is on the phone. To Mr Linderman. Pretty funny they would introduce him in such a small way.

Yeah, But I can't wait to finally SEE what this guy looks like. They sure have talked about him enough.

I'd like to know what he looks like too. We might not have to wait long though! Kinda feels like Peter might feel like taking a trip down to Vegas. And of course.. Mr Linderman has to have the crucial painting.

I think you and chevyjock are on the right track. It would be an easy way for Mr. "HRG" Bennett to keep a close watch on the heroes and monitor their development. I agree that he and Lender-man are the same person or are in league somehow.

Linderman is NOT HRG. If he was, Nathan would have recognized him when he was kidnaped by him, and he clearly didn't.

Hmmm... I'm not that sure... it's hard to believe that HRG (living in Odessa, TX) and Mr Lindermann (living in Las Vegas, CA) are the same guy.

Perhaps he have a superpower too, and can be in both places... superspeed maybe. But this is not what I believe.

I talked about it with some other people, and I do agree that they can't be the same person. Has Petrelli seen Linderman or it it simply a phone acquaintance, a shadow figure?
Linderman would be useful to HRG, though. At this point enough of the "Heroes" are tied to him somehow.
Side thought: I wonder if Yamagato Software will somehow be tied into the corruption plot? It'd be interesting to see who Professor Suresh developed his software with... unlikely he did it all himself!

I watched again the 7 eps... Must confess that my theory is weak... BUT I still belive HRG and Lindermann are not the same guy... Whether they work together or not is another question.

In the first episode, HRG receives a call while visiting Chandra's appartment. That was Lindermann?

I think Linderman must be financing whatever HRG is trying to do, but I don't think they could be the same person. Linderman seems to be well known (the journalist seemed to be aware of him), which would make it difficult for HRG to be Linderman.

I agree that they are not the same person but I disagree with Las Vegas' state location. Las Vegas is in Nevada.

Linderman is not HRG. HRG had Isaac and the paintings in an attempt to find out what the last painting showed so he could save Claire - perhaps he got Linderman to help him get the paintings through funding. However Simone managed to get back the painting in question from Linderman so HRG wouldn't have given it up... unless he was hoping Sylar would kill Claire but let's not get into that quite yet.

I agree that HRG & Linderman can not be the same man, as they seem to have completely different interests. It is also possible that Linderman may not know about any of these abilities; he may just be a very well-connected mob boss. His connection to the Petrellis is obvious now, as is his connection to Nikki & DL, but I've yet to see if he's connected with any of the other heroes... unless I've forgotten a link somewhere (quite possible ) I can't wait to see him revealed!

Why does he go from trying to off Nathan to wanting him to win the congressional election?

I suspect, if he IS financing HRG's operation, that the driver of the SUV reporting back what happened. This would explain also how HRG and the Haitian knew what hotel room he was in and how they got through hotel security to kidnap him.

I'm pretty sure about Linderman will be played by Christopher Ecclestone. Because, he's already signed and we are pretty sure(!) he's not going to be Sylar Zachary is great for Sylar.

Um . . . not to be a jerk, but Las Vegas is in Nevada, not California.

I think Linderman is just a mafia don, with lots of political and financial connections, but nothing to do with HRG or Sylar. He doesn't seem to (knowingly) employ anyone with superpowers.

One supervillain is worth dozens of goons. And wouldn't someone like Eden be more useful as a #2 than Ms. Sakamoto?

By the way, does anyone else think Linderman is an odd name for a mobster? An Irish or Jewish or Polish mobster is always a nice break from the usual Italian stereotype--but Linderman looks like an early-American anglicization of a German name, which may be stretching things too far.

Anyway, since it's been leaked that Linderman is played by a canine actor, we know that he's actually Mr. Muggles. Unless he's that as-yet-unseen dog that almost bit off Claire's hand at the park. Or perhaps he's Chevy Chase, reincarnated as a dog to solve his last mystery, as so many dogs are.


But in GTA:SA, it's just east of SF; you can see it from the top of the Big Pointy Building!

How bout Linderman as Claire's true father? Would be quite a twist, but he payed alot of money for the painting Nathan destroyed, that Peter needed to see. Then again, Linderman was a client of Peter and Nathan's father. So it could just be that for some reason, Linderman wants Sylar to kill heroes..very interesting..


Where was that leaked? Kinda funny though, in a Men In Black kinda way..

The canine actor story was leaked from my own brain; I was just joking about the successive stories leaked over the past few months about three different actors for the same part.

It seems pretty likely that Christopher Eccleston is going to be Linderman. But, if he gets hit by a bus, I think the backup plan is still to use Chevy Chase's voice in Benji's body.

but anyway, what if that invisble guy (i dont remember the actors name but i think its that Christopher Eccleston...) turns out to be linderman, then we would know why we havent seen him yet

I think Lindermann and ulruu are the same person

linderman is a mobster, not a rock monster

Rock mobster! Down, down, down... </B-52s>

So tell me what you think about this. Mr. Linderman is the secret ultimate bad guy. HRG is unknowingly part of his plan. He also may hope to use Nathan and his connections in the future. Hear me out:

(1.) He is obviously connected to people.
---(a.) He bribed/blackmailed Nathan.
---(b.) He was interested in Issac's painting.
---(c.) He is linked to Niki and D.L. in L.A.
(2.) This would explain HRG's neutral morality. We don't quite know if he is the good guy or the bad guy. Perhaps because he doesn't know yet.
(3.) If HRG is his guy, it would explain why the mysterious person he was on the phone with did not want Sylar to be killed.
(4.) Nathan was the only one allowed to escape. As far as we know, nobody else has been able to use their powers around HRG and the Haitian. This would be related to his future plans for Nathan. It would also explain why he is so willing to pay Nathan $4 Million dollars and why Nathan wins by a landslide.
(5.) The curious look Nathan appears to give Peter in Peter's empathic dream about being Nuclear.

oh yeah, i totally forgot about HRG on the phone, i guess we dont know who he was talking to

Mr.linderman is definately evil..everyone associated with him is evil. nikki borrowed money but her alter ego jessica is borrowing money from him, nathan seems to be turing evil through working with linderman and simone is definately gonna take a turn for evil she was able to sell one of issacs paintings to mr. liderman. I dont think hrg is linderman but I think he works for him secretly.Linderman is definately controlling all of these heroes some how hes the main source.

I actually don't think Linderman and Bennett are working together. I think Bennett works for some type of super secret government agency. Not sure why his guy the Haitian has the same half helix symbol that Nikki has on her back when Jessica is in control. Also the same symbol that Issac did a bunch of paintings of. AND also the same symbol that we saw scrolling in the matrix-like code in Papa Suresh's computer that Mohinder found.

My guess is that while Linderman is a mafia type of character, Bennett is actually researching the Heroes found on Chandra Suresh's list. I wouldn't be surprised if Chandra actually cooperated with Bennett and his organization after he realized what a threat Sylar posed.

With the connections that he seems to have with more and more people I think it's hard to believe that he's just a Mafia Don. Plus, HRG working for the government would be kind of obvious - hence my feeling that he's not. Although he may think he is, who knows.

You guys think Linderman might be Peter and Nathan's father?

Do we know if Nathan has had direct face to face contact? I know he phoned him but he could have only talked to a rep of Linderman.

Linderman could of been living a double life as a mobster and as the brother's father. Then he faked his death because he knew that his son was going to prosecute him.

maybe linderman was a plot device to hook up niki/dl and niki/nathan...

posibility

My personal theory; Linderman is HRG's boss... Linderman is Danny DeVito

if linderman waas danny devito, i would be very disappointed.

I think that there is only a slim chance that Linderman is HRG's boss.
Even if he was, HRG had to have been in the government before working for Linderman. I get that creepy vibe you get when there is a "law enforcement? officer" behind you from HRG.
I will go with Linderman being aware of the changes either by first hand knowledgd, or personal experience. I wouldn't make him ability challenged just yet. You don't get where he is being just average.

i agree that mr. petrelli faked his death and is still alive (i think he is/may become uluru.) but mr. petrelli and linderman were business partners, not one in the same.

Well, in that case, why would he imply that he frequently made deals with his other self? I mean it was implied that taking down Linderman would hurt their father, but that they were two distinct people, so I think it unlikely. I think Linderman fits in better as a mobster who dealt with the Petrelli's father frequently, and they would know from their childhoods, which would explain how Peter would be able to testify against him, seeing him do stuff when he was a kid...

Unless of course the Petrelli's father's power was making multiples of himself or shapeshifting... Which is entirely possible, I find it doubtful that neither of his children would catch on despite having interactions with Linderman. Plus, in order to prosecute someone, one would think several things are necisary, including a place of residence, and one's credentials as a real person, drivers license number, etc. Both a drivers license/DMV profile thing a district atorney would look at, and a testimony require to see someone's face the majority of the time.

That and if I remember right, the Petrelli's father died of a heart problem, not the easiest death to fake.

new thread at http://www.9thwonders.com/boards/index.php...mp;#entry140051 discussing the linderman as well

All these Linderman conections, good grief! I mean look:

1) The Sanders-Hawkins family
2) The Petrelii's
3) Simone
4) And Now Hiro's Katana!

makes your head spin

Actually, Papa Petrelli killed himself, as revealed by Mama Petrelli to Peter. She said that Papa suffered from a mental illness that consisted of delusions of grandeur.

it definitly seems possible that peter's father is linderman especially since they never showed the petrelli's at a funeral and that their making he petrelli's so important to the story line , another thing i was thinking about is could linderman be H.R.G's boss the one who wants to keep sylar alive?

sry bout the bouble post meant to edit my last one, anyway..


Since they havent shown linderman couldnt H.R.G. be using linderman as an alias and controlling all of this from the comfort of his home? i mean have they really made it a fact that the characters have come face to face with linderman yet? again lol thinking about it why does linderman want to ruin Nathan's rep with the video of him and niki.

I'm not going to say anything is impossible, because it'll come back to bite me in the doughnut, but I will say that I doubt that Linderman is Peter and Nathan's father. I have been wrong in the past, though, and I agree that there is slim evidence to prove your theory wrong.

I do, however, see it as possible that Linderman is HRG's boss. Would make sense.

Yes! I'm dying to find out who he is!

We have not seen the actor that plays Linderman yet.

I'm reading reports that it will be Eric Roberts cast as him.

What is certain is that Linderman is tied directly/indirectly to several of the heroes (Niki, DL, Micah, Nathan, Simone, Isaac, Hiro) and in every instance, he exercises some influence over them (using his power = money or muscle).

It's diabolically interesting that he used Niki to get to Nathan. It's also interesting that HRG was around to collect Nathan after that particular encounter (with Niki and Jessica).

Linderman seems to be everywhere!

An update of my previous theory, that Lindenmann is the "Big Bad" of this season with HRG underneith him:

(1.) He is obviously connected to people.
---(a.) He bribed/blackmailed Nathan.
---(b.) He was interested in Issac's painting.
---(c.) He is linked to Niki and D.L. in L.A.
---(d.) He has Hiro's katana.
(2.) This would explain HRG's "neutral good" morality. He may think he's doing good while being manipulated by Lindenmann.
(3.) I think it is unlikely that HRG actually is Lindenmann for the following reasons:
---(a.) Lindenmann lives in Vegas while HRG lives in Texas.
---(b.) Nathan was going to PROSECUTE Lindenmann. It is most likely that he has an idea what Lindenmann looks like, and Nathan also came in direct contact with HRG.
(3.) If HRG is Lindenmann's man on the inside, it would explain why the mysterious person he was on the phone with did not want Sylar to be killed.
(4.) His plans for Nathan:
---(a.) Nathan was the only one allowed to escape.
---(b.) As far as we know, nobody else has been able to use their powers around HRG and the Haitian.
---(c.) It would also explain why he is so willing to pay Nathan $4 Million dollars and why Nathan wins by a landslide.
(5.) There is no evidence thus far that HRG works for the government. In fact more and more the clues seem to indicate that he doesn't. In the web comics he claims to work for a government agency a couple of times but then he disavowels all knowledge when the new hero gets caught in the most recent comics. Other than wearing a suit and carrying around an air of superiority, HRG is just an average tool.
(6.) I find it highly unlikely that Lindenmann is the Petrelli's father.
---(a.) Nathan was going to prosecute Lindenmann, so I assume he knows what he looks like.
---(b.) There are references to "deals" between the two. Hard to have a deal if the two are the same.
(7.) I do think, however, that the Petrelli's father is a hero that will show up.
---(a.) Killed himself because of "delusions of grandier". (Although he may not actually be dead)
---(b.) Dealings with Lindenmann.
---(c.) The fact that 2 kids have powers.