I was shocked that i seem to be the only one to notice this, I am still working on getting a screen shot to show but if you notice DL's hand grabbing niki by the throught is the same hand that phased into her chest.

so he only choked her but went through her chest to do it

if some one can review this and help me get a screenwhot it would be very helpful

Yes you're right.

http://img213.imageshack.us/my.php?image=phasejm1.png

GREAT catch! I'm usually really good on picking up the small details, but I totally missed that!

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

The question is was his hand solid while his arm was phased...

It was when he grabbed her from the wall. Why wouldn't it by there?

Yeah i knew that he was chocking her with the same hand, but i was really confused on why people thought she was dead. I just figured people thought he choked her to death, I never even thought about the whole grabbing of the heart thing. Plus it would be kinda weird if she died in the 6th episode and never got a chance to fight DL again for her son.

That scene is really difficult to imagine. From the angle his arm enters her chest I don't know how he could grab her throat. His arm (unless he is secretly Plastic Man) would have come out of her chest cause his arm bone is straight.

But the way they filmed and edited it they were able to fake the scene to look the way they wanted it to look.

Yes, it does have more emotional impact seeing his arm going into her chest than it would if he just grabbed her throat directly. But try it yourself and you'll see it isn't possible (yeah, like phasing thru solid material is)

Now if he had been standing BEHIND her he could have put his arm thru her back and then reached up and grabbed her by the throat...but what's the point? Was he trying to kill her? If so, then why bother going for the throat? He could have just grabbed some vital organs and yanked.

Although this raises an interesting question. If part of him is solid and part is phased how does he control the solid part? Like if his arm was ghost-like to reach into her and his hand was solid to grab her..where is the support? Weird

I saw it. They even went up close to her head and showed his hand around her throat.

hmmmm you're not tha only one..cusz i noticed it to but everyone for some reason keeps saying he grabbed her heart..i dont know what started that

well i'm gonna say that he couldnt grab any organs, he would have to rephase in solid matter. that just wouldnt be wise as he would then be fused with it. he couldnt be solid inside a brick wall, so how could he be solid in some one elses body?

Years from now some will argue that this is when the series jumped the shark. DL can't possibly have had his forearm in her chest AND strangle her neck at the same time. It's physically impossible. It was poor, rushed production value. If they're going to do special effects like this, it's going to ruin the believability of the series as a whole. Like a few weeks back when Claire was on the autopsy table. There have been episodes of CSI with more believable dead people.

she probably just like passed out from being freaked by that i dont know

It is very possible because the elbow bends. If he put his arm inside of her all the way to his elbow, then bent it so that his arm went upward, he would still be able to choke her. Try it with an object the length of your arm. Put it to your elbow and bend your arm upwards. See if you can wrap your arms around the top part. I bet you can.

I can't imagine WHY in the world you even brought those words up in a sci-fi TV show forum.

I'm guessing his Phase powers work much like Kitty Pride's a.k.a Shadow Cat from X-men, Yes she easily phase through objects and people but if she stops in the middle of Phasing something then her molecules become fused with whatever it was she was phasing through therefore leaving her stuck in a very VERY bad position. So I don't know how D.L. was squeezing her heart without getting fused to her. But hey I guess that's just T.V. But like ZachsMind just said "Just suspend your belief and enjoy the show I guess.

I have to agree. I wrote in several other places that this just confused me. The whole scene is confusing. DL either hurt Niki/Jessica by phasing into her or by strangling her but like someone else said, unless DL is also "plastic man"he couldn't do both.

The best explanation I can come up with is that DL was hurting and maybe even killing Niki/Jessica when Micah came in. But when Micah came in, he didn't want to kill Niki/Jessica in front of her (even in self-defense) and just thought that choking her would be enough. The problem is that even I admit that the scene doesn't totally back my theory up.

Like I sad to someone else about something else here, just suspend belief and enjoy the show. That's what I do.

(But I agree that if I need to keep suspending belief throughout the show, this may turn out to be a jump the shark moment.)

I know lots of people who watch the show, and I visit lots of boards and stuff, and the immense majority of people who watch it don't even notice this sort of detail.

That it was actually physically impossible for DL's arm to be in that position is the same thing as the "missing day" people have discovered in the chronology when they did that spreadsheet with all the characters' scenes. As long as the show remains cool, this stuff is permited.

Most people simply aren't that detail-oriented. What will make or break the show for most viewers are the major dramatic movements and direction of the plot, the characterization, the strength of the acting, this sort of stuff.

I mean, I'm a geek and obsessive fan just like you guys, and I find this sort of trivia interesting too, but most people watching aren't that analytical. Even among the Internet people, I suppose this sort of deep analysis and attention to detail is a thing of the minority, when you take into account the millions of people who'd never be found in a message board about the show, I sincerely doubt they'll be bothered because there is a missing day on Peter or Niki's schedule when you do the math.

My thought was the he was stopping her heart or doing some other internal change, then went for the throat, but who knows.

I think his phase powers work more like the Vision of the Avengers.
The vision (a robot able to control his density) could partially become solid inside another solid, such as a person.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vision_%28comics%29

i dont think he would intentionally kill her anyway so a grab for the throat from the inside seem logical

I just figured his thinking was "fine, you want to rip my arm off, you are going to have to rip it out of your chest to do it", although, she could have probably just torn it off at the shoulder, but she would still have some explaining to do at the hospital about how an arm was hanging out of her chest. And with the arm safely anchored in her chest, she wasn't in any position to throw him all over the room anymore.

Well, yeah, judging by the scene, he obviously just reached in her and grabbed her throat, enough to make her pass out, not kill her.

i kinda noticed this but i didnt think it had any significance

I didn't really notice Peter's hair habit until you mentioned it and now it may drive me mad.

Forgive if already discussed, but in regard to materializing in a solid object or having a phased body part supporting an unphased one: maybe one with that power can partially de(re)materialize. Also, isn't it true that phasers (not set to kill) can cause things they are touching also to phase?

It's already established that DL can "phase" part of his body, like his arm, and then "unphase" another part, like his hand, while the other part of his body is still "phased". Notice in the scene (in the next episode) where he "phases" his arm through a car window but then, while his arm is still "phased" through the window, unlocks the door with his hand in order to rescue the woman inside.

And it is obvious that he can "phase" things he is touching. How else would he be able to "phase" his clothing?

Yeh noticed that. I imagine his power is very much like shadowcats from the xmen.
I would say she passed out from being choked out. You dont have to stop the air going to someones lungs to do this, just stop the blood to the brain for 4-5 seconds, aka sleeper hold. Perhaps she passed out as a result of 'changing' back into nikki?

THANK YOU!

I have been trying to tell people this for the longest time, and no one believed me!

lol oh well