i dunno, i like the way it is going, i mean we are not even half way through the season

we are at episode 7 and there are 22, thats 15 more! so yea

This has been a good show so far but it keeps slipping every week since it's inception. The good people on this board have given enough twisted plots ans senerios to write a great unfinished fiction work of art, we pray the writers will pick up a story-line or twist or two to enhance this well meaning si-fi to it;s best posible height!

amen!

Has no one her ever heard of freedom of expression?

Let them tell the story how they want to, stories like this come together but you can't rush it.

If you don't like it stop watching.

I've never seen so many people going "I love this show, except everything going on in it".

Good god.

AGREED. obviously with this show there are a lot of connections that need to be established, and if you rush through that, it would just kill the show. Impatient as we all are to see all of this stuff unfold, we need to just let it happen.

Is is THEIR story. Did we conceive it? No. We are welcome to criticize it all we like, but it's the creative effort of those behind it, and I think they've done a swell job so far. I do agree, tonight's episode didn't seem to have the same momentum as the previous episodes, but with the network of plot arcs and storylines expanding on a weekly basis as with any serial like this, we should probably expect it. It's disappointing, but maybe it will be all the more rewarding when we get more answers.

If you like the stories others have come up with, that's what fan fiction's for. It's all there.

Amen! That's what I like so much about this show and keeps me watching week after week; the fact that they are telling the story a little at a time. Sometimes big things happen in an episode covering all the characters, sometimes the episodes are small and delve deeper into just one or 2 characters. You can't rush a work of art. You just have to sit back and let it happen, and chew your fingernails off in the process!

It's true but it feels that the writers are dragging the plot on purpose. I should'nt feel like they are. This could effect ratings. Bad ratings equals no show, and none of us want that to happen. Many of us here are willing to ride through some slow paced plots before we get to the juicy parts, but the mainstream addience may not. The writers have to find the right balance between what we the fans want, and what's good for the story.

I think Heroes has one of the BEST stories on television at this time. It's also the best serialized program I've seen in a long while aswell. This is a story about characters, and it delivers that every week.

This show is a huge hit, but you can't sit every week expecting super-powered people running around ALWAYS doing something. Heroes is deeper than that.

Our ideas would screw up a perfectly good show... We are almost to some big stuff being revealed in the next 2-3 episodes. Please this is more about chars. not plot. Get over it.

Seems what everyone wants. It's a younger generation idea geared towards some of the older generation.

But ya. The connections need to be made.

Well, I for one enjoy the "No fights. no tights" attitude this show is taking. I'm tired of seeing superheroes battling a villain every episode and not have as much substance as this show has. Heroes gives us a lot of thrills, chills and surprises as it moves along. Just when we think we have the series plot pegged...***twist*** they throw us a new surprise and we're off-balance once more. They give us a show we have to THINK about as we watch. AND watch we do, just for those tiny clues that are layed out in front of us...And thanks to VCR's, we can tape and go over these shows and gather them up at our leisure. These writers must have worked out these storylines and subplots and the laying of clues V-E-R-Y carefully so as not to give us too much to soon. This fan base proves that people love the show and that it is a hit. It's fun to 'quibble' theories without making the arguments personal. And we've read names in here that make it seem like 'Cheers' --where everyone knows your name-- and we're all old friends. What TV show has done that lately?

I actually think the show has gotten progressively better with each episode. The writing is getting better. The characterizations from the actors ( with the exception of Ali Larter, who contines to act about as good as a piece of wood ) keeps getting better. The dialogue, especially the stuff with Peter ( who was hilarious ) and his family and the stuff with Claire, her brother and Zach, is starting to sparkle. They're just now starting to hit their stride after the fresh setup and cold introductions of all these characters.

Sure, I'd like to see the inclusion of some of the ideas we discuss here. And I definitely want the show to get bigger in scope. But give it time. The new episodes were filmed when they didn't even know if the show was gonna stay on the air past a few episodes. Now that the show is a hit and they know they have time on their hands they're going to open it up. But they don't have to do it all at once. We've still got a long way to go with this show and I want it to stick around, so it doesn't need to blow it's wad in the first half of the first season.

I think I'm watching this show to see where the writers are going with the story. They had the ideas that began HEROES, and that's what got us this far. I like how their bringing out the story.
Am I alone in thinking that this episode brought out more people with new powers, other than the first 2?
I think the HEROES writers are doing great. Let's let them work.

Yeah I really think people are getting impatient about this show. Every episode cannot be action packed and keeping you on the edge of your seat. If that happened there would be a lot of loose ends and that would just lead you all to complain cause they rushed through things. Be happy with what there is. Keep complaining and the show will get cancled. Do you really think the people who are in charge of things dont pay attention to the fan site that they advertise on their own site? This is an awsome show, sure they cant make every episode a block buster hit.. not only due to my previous argument but also money wise.

Also as a side note.. we all have crazy ideas on what is and should be happening. This is their story and we are just along for the thrill of the ride

Let me remind you all that every person on the show has been claimed to be Sylar. Using that kind of feedback is destructive.

yeah that is good, the forums have said everyone is sylar. what i think they are doing is a good job of always inter weaving the characters in others plots. the two from japan with mika and dl last night was good.

Say huh? Like many of the posters here I take the opposite view ... it's getting better with each episode. If it gets tro the point where you can't watch it, the Gilmore Girls boards are here.

I think some people are looking to hard for answers when the questions that will lead to them have not even been asked yet by the show.

Right now as far as we know, a select few people at the FBI, Matt, Mohinder & Eden have heard the name Sylar.

Matt had a short run in with H.R.G

Issac has painted him

Peter then shed light on how danergous he could be by finishing that painting.

H.R.G is claire's father and we know that Sylar is most likely going to make her his next target.

Linderman bought a painting from simone that most likely gives away claire's location in some way.

Nathan was able to squeeze 4 million out of linderman after being with Niki/Jessica, then getting taken away by H.R.G.

Niki met ando who knows hiro, then later hiro & ando met D.L who used to do jobs for linderman and holds 2 million dollars he got from niki/jessica after he learned what she did. Their son Micah is with D.L and seems to remember ando seeing his mom.

Hiro has also met Nathan and talked to peter.

Both Nathan and peter have met mohinder, peter has also met eden.

As far apart in distance as each hero is from any other, they are also far more connected to each other than most of them know. It may take awhile yet for them all to work together, but as events trigger they will be led to one another in some supprising ways.

I think the first major event of many is not to far off...

i must have missed it but what happend on the high way i heard hiro mentioned he stopped the explosion. makes me wonder did the accident happen and he went back in time to stop people from getting hurt, maybe they will give hiro's point of view.

As my wife says, so much happens and so little happens at the same time.

I enjoy it. I think this was a "calm before the storm" type show. Basically setting up the next few shows which are going to be a bit more fast paced. They can't all be action thrillers.

Of course the accident happened.

D.L. got the woman out of the car, but they were standing right next to it when the car exploded. This is where Hiro freezes time and moves them out of harms way. Then he restarts time.

Later when Hiro is showing Micah the 9th Wonders comic:

Hiro: I freeze time too! Stopped the explosion. Saved your dad!

Let the writers follow their own path. They're doing damn fine and like I said in other threads, "For the ADD crowd think on this:

Homecoming. Sweeps week." It's on.

You know... I am on the fence about this one.

I have been thinking for a couple weeks now, why do we give this show the credit we do. I mean, I think all of us would agree that it seems like this should be the kind of show that has twists, turns, surprises, etc. And yet, when things happen, they don't seem to be the big twisty turny surprises we seem to expect. So, for some of us, that can be a tad disappointing. I mean, I have not been very surprised at all with the show.

That being said, I also attribute part of that lack of surprise to the time spent on this board. I read the threads. Spoilers abound. It's really very hard to miss them. Lately, I have tried. Theories abound, that are then supported by spoilers, etc. So, when watching and realizing it was Jessica who pulled off the heist, of course I'm not going to feel so surprised - I read it here first. If I read the boards, and happen to be exposed to every idea under the sun, then when one actually happens, we feel cheated. Yup, saw that one coming, etc.

So, if you want to feel that the show has new ideas and plot twists, don't read the boards here! If you like having a place to speculate about those twists, and then being able to say, "Ha, I knew it" continue on.

I think you will find, regardless, the show is pretty darn good.

I'm quite happy with the direction of the show. I think the writers should just keep doing what they're doing. I've been enjoying every episode and I've been thoroughly impressed with the quality of the shows.

The show could use less of the whiny women moments though. I don't care who it is, when a woman whines or blubbers on a show such as Heroes I just roll my eyes. Sure, emotions need to be displayed by the female characters but geez, not that much emotion. The blubbering and whining does get annoying after awhile.

I'm perfectly happy with the storytelling speed of the episodes. I really like that they are fleshing out the characters rather than just knowing the character's name and power, and watching them do their stuff.

My wife and I always comment to each other how it seems like nothing much goes on in the last few episodes, but still we are glued to the screen because there actually is a lot going on.

personally i love the way the show is going. as well as direction. i could see if nbc had cancelled it and they needed to hurry up the plot line, but i think this show will be on for a few years and oh the sweet anticipation of the drama between the characters. comic book style, baby!

Oooh. Ooohhh! It Micha, right? Micha is Sylar!

lol.

Sam

what is wrong with you people? 3rd highest ratings not enough? you all think you can do better? then why aren't you the ones writing it? it's a lot easier to criticize than to create. oh my god, they're not giving all the information, and making people tune in every week to find out a little more of the mystery, what are those writers thinking? Job security, that's what. and some putz said, that might affect ratings, yeah, genius, they go up every week. heads up: less comic books, more social intereaction

With all due respect, I've heard some of the most ridiculous plot ideas and storylines in here.. The LAST thing I would want is for professional writers to start taking queues from armchair screenwriters and totally kill the show.

Did anybody ever pull Billy Shakespere aside and tell him that maybe he should write gay people or aliens into his stories?

Just thank yourselves that you got day jobs.

It sounds more like what you're looking for from the writers is an imbalance between what's good for the story and what the MTV generation wants from a TV show. TV follows cyclical trends just like movies do. You get throwaway Tv because cerebral TV becomes too repetitive and writers strive too hard to be too clever for their audience and lose them. Fortunately for us, we're somewhere around the middle of a cerebral TV cycle and new shows, including Heroes, are being developed that challenge the viewer to not only enjoy what is unfolding before them but also to think about every aspect of what they are seeing... or think they are seeing.

Thanks for stating in such a nice way what I so wanted to bash. There is too much instant gratification and self-aggrandizing concerning TV these days, especially in the boards. If it were easy... everyone would be doing it.

That's harsh man, just harsh. LOL

I think the stories are fine. I think the problem is that they have too many characters.

Because they have so many characters scattered around they have to cut up segments and jump around very fast to make sure that nothing become too slow or too boring. The editing is sp abrupted it really becomes intrusive to the show.

I'm not saying that they should get rid of any characters but when they introduce new ones, it makes for a more complicated story and it means that another character will suffer for it.

For example: Simone's father just died. It really wasn't given the severity that it deserves. After Peter learns that a "father-like" figure and the father of the woman he loves has died, it would make sense that he's be with her instead of playing his older brother. But that was something that had to be done to move the story along.

But all of the charcaters are going to meet up at the finale, the pacing of the story will pick up then. Maybe then they can focus on one or two Heroes at a time, instead of bouncing around all over the place.

I say let the story be told, they have to get everything out (back story and such) before the real action can start. Which is what I think everyone is waiting for.

There's a reason they get paid to write a script and the rest of us contribute to a discussion board.

Write a pilot and submit it. I'm sure the contributors to this board have some great plot ideas.

Until then, let's allow the creators and scriptwriters show us what they've got. As of now, the show has done an excellent job of filling in a puzzle that builds suspense without frustrating the viewer (the patient viewer, at least).

I think the writers should listen to us AS LITTLE AS POSSIBLE.

I mean it.

The fact is, the people who hang out on this board represent the top .000005% of people who are most interested in "Heroes." We are a very small sliver of the viewing public. One of the reasons the show is so popular is that it is NOT entirely a cult-focused, comics-centered show, but also has storylines and characters that regular TV viewers (the people who make and break every show's popularity in the end) relate to. I will trust the writers' judgment on how best to relate to them, but I know that every single time showrunners start taking their cues from the internet, the result is DISASTER. The shows become in-jokey, self-referential and pretentious instead of having their original energy.

Should the know who the most popular characters are? Definitely. Should they see some of our questions? Sure. But they should never, ever take their cues totally from us. We are fans, and our loves and hates are not like those of mere mortals.

Finally, I love the way the show is progressing so far, and I think it's grown exponentially in quality since the pilot.

They didn't have to, he was already writing gay people, cross dressing, bi-sexuality, political commentary, religious criticism, racial issues and mythical creatures like faeries, ghosts and ****** into his stories.

point taken..

But I was still trying to make a point myself. It's their story.. Let them tell it how they want.

They really ought to read at least some of it. I'm sure that, even if they never do, it will seem like it because of the fact that someone has to be right occasionally.

Oh, by the way, on the new character thing...

I honestly believe that these are the main characters of the show:

Isaac
Peter
Nathan
Micah
Niki/Jessica
DL
Hiro
Matt
Claire
HRG
Somewhat Sylar

Then there are the supporting characters (usually non-Hero) like Simone, Ando, etc. Finally, there are characters like Ted, the radiation guy who looks like the Geico caveman. I do not think he will be around next season, at least not as a major character. I think he's part of this seasons plot arc, and then his job is done, or he'll be dealt with somehow--maybe the gvt. will start kidnapping heroes?

I'm inclined to agree on the "it's their story" thing. Just let them tell it, don't complain. This is not milking a storyline yet at all. To say that, seven episodes into a show, it's going too slow is slightly ridiculous. Lost is milking the storyline. Heroes is not. At least not yet.

i understand wat u mean, but i believe that the person to whom your replyin to means that the story and idea is too well to damage it.

And that happens to be a point I agree with.

That doesn't mean they're above criticizm either.

But I think the show is far too new for people to making threads like this criticizing the direction of the writing.

The show's just getting started.

Sorry to be rude, but I'm not reading through the entire thread to post a reply to the op.

All I have to say is that I truly hope the writers never pay any attention to these boards beyond maybe acknowledging the fans once and awhile. Let writers write, and let the creators stick to their vision of the show. Too many TV series have ended up jumping the shark trying to please vocal fans imo.

HAHA I am glad its not just me then! Thats to funny.

As to there being to many characters... come on this is a big story! There needs to be this many characters to cover all the different facets. Thats like saying X-Men has to many characters.. good god they had to have at least two teams to fit them all in there!

As to the comment on us saying all the characters are Sylar... some of that was just a joke I am sure.. like say the Cupcake post in Episode 1.6 thread. Thats all a joke.

Uh, forget it. You made your points (at least about the latest episode) in the other thread I had not seen before I wrote the reply in here.

If you want to know what happens when fans interfere with a show they watch, use Mythbusters.

The fans are all armchair scientists and they run Adam and Jamie into the ground questioning every little thing they do. And every now and then they have to tape a whole new episode just to shut the fans up...

I love the show!

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE! We need fewer commercials! Or at least shorter ones!

Also, the writers can't use our nifty ideas, lest someone sue them for plagarism.

Like yahtzee said, we're the very tiny minority that overthinks, obesesses over, and spends waaay too much time discussing and dissecting a tv show. We're inveterate nit-pickers, plot-hole finders and what-if-ers.

You know -- not normal viewers.

It's a matter of trust. Do you think the writers and producers are trying to make the best, most entertaining show they can? If so, relax and go along with the ride. Speculate all you want, but ease up on the second-guessing.

If you don't like where the show's going, or if you have an alternate idea for the plot -- try writing fan fiction.


And throwing in low comedy, slapstick and fart jokes for the groundlings.

At least Tim Kring doesn't have to worry about getting his tuchis tossed into the Tower of London if the network doesn't like his material.

One of the things that made me a loyal X-Files fan was that they did seem to incorporate ideas from the fansites and from the discussion boards, etc. Several of their character's nicknames were culled from monikers doled out by fans (I think "rat-faced boy" and "cigarette smoking man" were two).

I understand the creative process, and believe me, writing for a TV serial is not easy...but if they might mention a few things fans have come up with, you can bet the popularity would SOAR!

Also from what I understand, they often roam these boards just to see what's up. Though no major plotlines will prolly be borrowed, they can insert some small things as a nod to us loyal fans!

*dies*

And I think Ted might actually BE the Geico caveman.