no hes a good guy

clairs parents died not at his hand but because of something that went wrong and after they died he adopts their child raises her and loves her like she was his own

that doesn't sound evil to me

i thought when HRG was talking to Isaac about kidnapping people to research that claires parents "accidently died"

so i'm gonna have to go with he's a bad guy

and unrelated to that how does working for a paper company cover flying all over the country as much as he does?

Well HRG does say Claire's mother died.. so that says to me the Bio parent meeting was a set up for Claire. I am still out on the verdict of wether HRG is good or bad. as for Sylar I don't think Sylar is the Haitian dude otherwise why didn't they kill Matt and Ted? we never saw the face of the killer at any point.

No doesn't sound evil to me either, the only question I have is why he was after Nathan.

The same reason he was after all of the others?

But Mr. Bennet did not kill Claire's parents...he said it was an accident if I remember correctly. Perhaps they faught back, a little too hard.

... I should slap you...

Perhaps Sylar is Claire's biological dad. He's a superhero gone crazy that HRG couldn't "help."

Which could give creedence to the possibility that Claire is actually the little girl that Matt saves from the closet. That he's really in a plot subline about 8 years in the past, where Ted is a diversion to what really causes the Nuke. (Or his power was absorbed by Sylar, if Sylar indeed absorbs the powers of other Heroes.)

There is a chance that Micah actually becomes Sylar, has invented some kind of machine transfer system in the future, which can take powers from he brains of 'Hero genes', and transplant them to himself. Perhaps Claire really has to survive, because she somehow saves Micah so he doesn't ultimately become Sylar in the future..?

My only hope is that whatever ends up happening, they don't concentrate on some plotline of ancient "Nephilim" having planted the hero gene into the DNA code a million years ago or something. Or Mohinder discovering the "alien" heritage of India, and the return of the 'Giants' in some kind of Biblical/Religious fulfillment of prophecy where the 'Gods' return and we're all the cross-breed of a superior 'Alien' race...

Other than that, this is a really great show. Well acted, well scripted, well formulated, and overall superb quality. Especially if you're a fan of comic book and graphic novel literature, as well as movies based on these properties. Horror and Sci-Fi even fits into the equation, drama, suspense, and PLOT TWISTS galore..

But that would become too convoluted. Blech. No thanks.

If Mr. Bennet knows that his daughter will be hurt at 8:00 PM the next day at the homecoming, why wouldn't he just take the family and leave town before the homecoming. That would effectively break the sequence of events and he would have STC, STW. During the conversation with Isaac, it was mentioned that HRG knows who Sylar is but doesn't know where he is. I think HRG released the power within Sylar and is now trying to contain the problem. HRG setting a trap for Sylar and using Claire as bait. HRG doesn't know that Hiro and Peter are both on the way to try to save the cheerleader and will ruin the trap. Suspect Claire lives, Sylar escapes.

Well not necessarily abducting ppl and doing research on them and releasing them to the "wild" no matter how u slice it is still evil...

He loves Clair because he's pretty guilty...

And the idea of Sylar being Clair's dad is not a bad one

Ooh! That makes sense! And HRG said there was "a death," not "deaths."

HRG was called "The Face of Evil" in the prologue to episode 1.8. I think that tells us right there he's good. :B I'm serious.

While he does "evil" things, I think he is genuinely a good guy. He wants to help Isaac, but is too obsessed with wanted to save his daughter. Which, by the way, someone pointed out that there is no name to who the cheerleader is... so Claire Bear might not be the target, at least not initially.

I do not think he purposely killed Claire's mother, as he's got too much of an attachment to Claire. Then again, PsychoKillers don't need reasons for much of anything. Hah!

I've been going along with "evil" and "good" as personal intent. Hiro felt bad about cheating and if Nathan wasn't so paranoid he could have called Peter's 'bluff'.

You're right, though. We cannot label anyone, but you have to admit that there are certain levels of intent that cross good and evil.

Actually, that destroys the idea that Matt's timeline is 8 years in the past. Why? Because HRG said it was 14 years ago

Tom

I don't think you can classify someone like HRG as "good" or "evil". This show is about the idea of real people getting powers, and the real people around them. Real people are hardly purely "good" or purely "evil". They're usually in the grey somewhere in between. HRG said that Claire's parents were killed because something "went badly". To me, that indicates an accident. In other words, they were killed without evil intent to kill.

Yes, HRG kidnaps heroes and does something to them. However, motive is important here. Why does he do it? Is it power? Is it concern for normal folks? Why is an extremely important question. While it doesn't release him from what and why he does this stuff, it does explain how a man who is "good" does "evil" things.

After all, it's not like any of the other characters did things that could be considered evil. Hiro didn't help Ando cheat in Vegas. Peter didn't blackmail his own brother into helping him. Nope...none of that has happened

Tom

I caught that too. HRG specifically said one "death" so one of Claire's bilogical parents could still be alive. Which, unfortunately, I'm sure many here will jump on and assume that Sylar is her father. Sigh.

I wouldn't be surprised if Sylar is Claire's real dad, but honestly, I doubt it. From the looks of it, he just seems to be out there to finish off people who have special abilities... And I definitely don't think HRG is a bad guy...

I don't think there was enough info given to say HRG killed Clair's real parents, but I think there was enough implication there to say he is "responsible" for their death.

He said his organization goes around helping people with their power undetected and most of times it goes smoothly, but sometimes it goes badly.

It seems to me that Clair's parents would have gone on with their lives if HRG didn't enter it. Perhaps with complication, but still their own lives. HRG came for them, to "help" them, but irregardless of his/his organization's intention, the end result was that at least one of Clair's parents died and Clair was left without anyone else to raise her.

I don't know if we can blame HRG for Clair's parent's death, but I think we can hold him responsible.

i think what he is doing to them from my understanding of what he was planning to do with isaac was help all of the heroes understand how to use their powers better and be able control and use them better. He was trying to help isaac be able to paint without the drugs. This doesn't idea doesn't fit in well with matt or ted though because they weren't helped i don't think

matt's power seemed stronger after the encounter.

HRG was saying that he is just trying to help the special people but some of them don't understand that. It is a good chance that he and the Haitian kidnapped Claire's mom and/or dad like they did Matt and tried to do to Nathan but Claire's parents probably got scared and fought back and ended up getting killed. It does make HRG responsible.

Agreed, and so did Teds. The downside is they don't seem to be able to control it, but control is learned. As for how precisely he's helping, I couldn't tell you, but Matt seems stronger now than before.

Tom

So, scientists who free dolphins from fishing nets, tag them and then release them are evil? That's some ****** logic there.

Howver, I'll agree that he's definitely grey on the good/bad thing. I think it's similar to Alias/La Femme Nikita: he works/runs an organization that has to dbe aggressive for the greater good of humanity. It's not like the Heroes would say, "OK, let me go with you to run tests on my abilities."

HRG seems to play 'catch and release' with most of his subjects. But with Eden and now Issac he 'brings them in', trains them and... what? Turns them into agents? So it would seem from his interactions with Eden.

My question is what Powers if any does Eden have?

IIRC Clair's mom said there had been a search for her real parents around the time she was adopted. Now we find that at least one of the parents wound up dead. Presumably the parent was already dead when the search was made? There's a story there.

Many have speculated..PoP = Power of Persuasion

I agree with this. I don't think HRG is "evil" as much as he is an 'end justifies the means' guy. He's willing to force, (read, have Eden "persuade") Isaac to go back on drugs to save Claire. I think he considers these people with powers as experiments or assets as opposed to human beings.

All for a Noble Cause of course.

This is probably the most plausible Sylar accusation I've seen yet.

ok did only some of you actually watch last night?

sylar isn't clair's father.. the dream kid is sylar.

Whoa! That's reading way too much into this! I agree with Lady Heather: too convoluted. Let's not make the show any more complicated than it already is.

I'm guessing that YOU watched last night, but that doesn't make you right. (it doesn't make you wrong, it's only probably wrong)

Matt is in the current timeline. Look at the cars, clothes, hair styles of every scene he is in. The girl's name was mentioned, and it wasn't Claire. Also, Matt met HRG, and HRG was the same as he currently is.

Nikki/DL/Micah are in the current timeline as well, by virtue of DL and Micah's paths crossing with Hiro & Ando and Nikki's path crossing with Nathan.



Did YOU watch? The kid was named Sanjog Iyer who seems to have the power to show people the past.

Sylar's name is Paul Sylar, and he obviously isn't Indian.

Please, oh great master of all things Heroes, please enlighten us with the evidence of this grand conclusion.

And yes, I watched last night. I've seene every episode multiples of times, like a lot of folks here.

Tom

Heh... It cracks me up. Here, TPTB has a great episode that really seems to clear quite a few things up, yet everyone still assumes they are lying to us... hee hee..

The kid is indeed Sajog Iyer. I do not know why the heck everyone wants to say it is "the good side of Sylar" which I highly do not believe. I think he's just a new hero we are meeting.

As for HRG... I have always liked him and like him much more now. He's turning into such a great, complex character. In real life, motives are rarely pure and simple. I like that they aren't going to "Superman" cliche always good or always evil route withe many of the characters, HRG included.

Now, one problem. HRG does say that one of his "catch and releases" resulted in a death. I need to rewatch, or maybe one of you know. Did he clearly say 1 death or deaths plural. If it was indeed only 1, that would not create an orphan situation. Unless he illegally stole that child (which would indeed be possible then) then where was the other parent?

I know many will say Sylar is that other parent. It could be remotely possible, and that the anger of losing wife and child caused him to go crazy, etc... but I'm not sure I buy that. Why would he kill Heroes then? It seems to me he'd kill HRG types. It also seems if that led him to kill, then he would also be trying to find his daughter, and therefore, Claire really wouldn't be a target?

So, I don't think Sylar is Claire's bio dad.

1) To the dolphins being taken and tagged might be going against their will which is evel even if its for good intentions and
2) I would say that if they pertrayed themselves as doctors that some of the heroes would take the test but others would say no way.

The only thing that we do actually know for sure about HRG... I mean 100%... is that he LIES. I don't know WHICH of his stories are lies, but at least SOME of them MUST be lies... in fact, they could ALL be lies.

(example: which is the truth: 1- HRG found Claire's bio parents to come visit; 2 - they (she) died during an 'unfortunate' encounter w/ HRG's group; 3 - Claire was adopted through normal channels and HRG had tried to find her parents when she was a sick baby - Obviously not all of those things could be true, so there must be a lie - or many lies - in there)


I will be cautious to believe anything he says to anyone, about anything..

I'm not saying he's bad, but I'm still not going to believe that he's good by assuming that these recent sob stories are the truth... he just can't be trusted.. yet.

I agree we cant trust what he says to always be the truth but if we take his words and consider the context we can speculate on whats going on.

When he was talking to isaac he was more than likely sugar coating the truth in order to get him to help. Isaac wasn't taken against his will Eden convinced him to come with her by telling him that she could help him use his powers when hes clean. He was set up with a nice room not a creepy hospital bed like mat. They wanted him to cooperate so that he could use his powers to give them info on the situation at hand. So when Mr. bennet said that he wants to help people deal with there powers he may mean that he wants to help them so he can use them as agents like eden. If they dont cooperate the orginizations secrecy must be maintaned and the potential leek must be plugged. Nower days it seems they have a nice Haitian mind wiper to fix that problem. but before him what did they do? did they kill clairs parent/s to keep their secret or were the deaths truely accidental? what we know is hes part of a large orginization that is directly involed in the activity of supers and have been for at least a couple of decades. we dont know all their motives yet we know they study and employ supers but to what end is still a mystery

If you think Sylar is targeting your daughter wouldn't you rather be in the know about when/where? Taking your daughter to the Hampton's would only be temporary. Sylar does not know that they know and so this makes intervention at this point Claire's best chance for survival. Mr. Bennet has the insight into Sylar to make such a decision. I would not call this using Claire as bait.

If he was really a bad guy, he would kill everyone he kidnaps. He never does though.

HRG made an easy decision and made it right. Is it right to sacrifice a young girl's life so an only-just-ex-junky didn't have to take one last hit? No. The ex-junky can take one last hit to save the girl. You could have medical teams on stand-by in case some kind of O.D. happens. (I'm certain they'll have something like that). Then Eden can "persuade" Isaac he doesn't really want the drugs. That way you have two lives saved, and not just one.

He's also never focused on painting something specific either, so he'll either nail it, or paint the winner of the Superbowl.

Who knows.

Tom

True. But responsibility does not mean HRG's evil. Mistakes happen and techniques to help would be modified based on past experience. Just wanted to point that out in case some assumed that HRG being responsible in some way for a death makes him evil.

I feel sorry for MBG. Nobody ever remembers what he looks like.

why does HRG think that isaac can paint tomorow's future. so far he has only painted weeks into the future.

I agree that this insight gives HRG a place and maybe a time to try and get Sylar but if he really cared about Claire he would not let her be there when it happens. Since he is not removing her from danger, he must be using her as bait.