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Khrom
Remember all the voiceovers about survival?

Sylar, who is a confirmed reader and fan of pappa Suresh's book, might see his eliminating others with powers as survival of the fittest in a macabre way.

The cheerleader can only be killed by direct invasive brain trama, so maybe the brain thing is just his way of making darn sure they cannot survive. Also he may want to study their brains.

I don't believe he eats them or absorbs powers.

I think he is a messed up conflicted man whose desire to 'win' the evolutionary battle wracks him with guilt (the 'forgive me room in his apartment).
zaitsev
Thats a good point. We really still havn't seen Sylar use any other powers Except Freezing, Telekenisis and Removing the brain, other then those he uses his hands and shear strength. Maybe he is just trying to stop people from getting in his way. or maybe he does take there powers. who knows/
xkevanx
@Why did sylar not take out Hiro at the dinner? I dont understand, he could of had the chance
Gut from Below the Belt
This episode shows (presumably) Sylar killing Mohinder's dad. Why did he do that? Did he take his brain too? And why did he use his hands? The FBI agent says that he never leaves prints. Why not use the telekenesis like with the others?
The little girl must still be in danger her parents were "special" because these powers are definitely passed down to the children.
Gut from Below the Belt
Maybe Sylar can't tell who has special powers. It was a good thing that Hiro said his "special ability" was teaching Japanese instead of bending time and space. Sylar may have overheard and found out.
elketerbentzadik
QUOTE (xkevanx @ Nov 14 2006, 08:00 PM) *
@Why did sylar not take out Hiro at the dinner? I dont understand, he could of had the chance


HE WASN'T THERE FOR HIRO!

He was tracking Charlie. She was the one he was there for.

He had no reason to concern himself with Hiro or to even know who he is.

If Hiro is on his list of people to kill he hasn't gotten that far yet, and he certainly wouldn't have any reason to believe that some random Japaese guy who just happened to be at a diner in Texas might be a Japanese guy he might want to kill someday.
Monster Man
In the second episode there is a phone message from Sylar on Chandra Suresh's answering machine. I can't remember it 100%, but I think he said something about a hunger, Got it, it was somthing like "the hunger... I can't control it", but I don't think to eat brains.

Also, Chandra Suresh knew who Sylar was best, helping him uncover his powers & such, killing him was only logical.

Also #2 Sylar may have been there by chance, or his map may have led him there. Over hearing her only confirmed it. And he has no idea where the person from Japan is other then Japan.
Dunc
QUOTE (zaitsev @ Nov 15 2006, 12:30 AM) *
Thats a good point. We really still havn't seen Sylar use any other powers Except Freezing, Telekenisis and Removing the brain, other then those he uses his hands and shear strength. Maybe he is just trying to stop people from getting in his way. or maybe he does take there powers. who knows/

Don't forget flight. Or however he escaped when Matt was shooting at him. Oh and there's being bullet proof since Matt shot him. If he didn't miss.
rubio64
what if sylar was suresh's assistance and knows some of the people on the "list"?

just a thought, since we have no idea who sylar is or where he came from.

also, do you think sylar will be dead by the end of the season and next year they will have a new viilain?
Agent42
Sylar is tracking and killing Heroes. Sylar killed Papa Suresh, was aware of his research, and probably got all of his Hero leads from the map on Papa's wall.

He was obviously at the diner for Charlie and was unaware of Hiro's abilities.

He has displayed:

- telekinesis
- pyrotechnesis (or radioactivity)
- mind control (or overt persuasion)
- freezing
- invisibility or teleportation
- tissue regeneration
- and can somehow slice clean through bone

I agree with other posters, I believe Sylar was driven mad by his powers, hates the monster he's become and learned that pieces of his DNA were injected into various persons as experiment.

He is now on a personal crusade to rid the world of others that might have the potential to be like him -- a monster. I suppose he thinks he's doing the world 'a favor' -- but of course, all we see 'serial killer.'

If Sylar does indeed possess all (or most) of the Heroes powers, he may have Issac's precognition -- and has seen someone with radioactive ability blowing up the entire city, too.

Perhaps in the future he's seen even worse: the atomic end of civilization; a rise of a master-race of mutant monsters; more cruel experimentation on unwitting humans who are treated like nothing more than cattle or guinea pigs...just as a world of Heroes might be bright, it also has the potential to be pretty grim with persons with the wrong intentions.

The removal of brains is to prevent tissue regeneration, or ensure permanent death. He doesn't eat them.
Monster Man
QUOTE (Dunc @ Nov 14 2006, 07:34 PM) *
Don't forget flight. Or however he escaped when Matt was shooting at him. Oh and there's being bullet proof since Matt shot him. If he didn't miss.

Flight in a sense, but not like Nathan Petrelli, probably an extension of his telekinesis, if he can pull & manipulate objects, (pinning people up on walls with chairs & silverware), it's likely that he could reach out to a solid object & pull himself up.

He didn't miss, you can hear the slugs dropping to the floor when he gets up. His telekinesis makes him bullet proof.

Heh, how about the power to cast a shadow over his face where ever he goes?!
philhos
QUOTE (Agent42 @ Nov 14 2006, 08:43 PM) *
He has displayed:

- telekinesis
- pyrotechnesis (or radioactivity)
- mind control (or overt persuasion)
- freezing
- invisibility or teleportation
- tissue regeneration
- and can somehow slice clean through bone


The only power Sylar has displayed is telekinesis - and that was with the cup thing from last night and his almost killing the FBI chick.

We don't know for a fact that it was Sylar that did the freezing or anything else. Heck, we don't even know for sure that Sylar is the one killing people. We all assume it because of the FBI chick - and even that's suspect because it was apparently someone's last words.

But, getting back to my point of Sylar's ability. Everything that we've seen of Sylar do, so far, can be linked to telekinesis and ONLY telekinesis. Moving the cup, "pushing" the FBI chick up against the wall, 'causing her gun to be placed next to her head, stopping the bullets, and according to Matt who looked up, we assume that Sylar can fly (also possible through telekinesis.

So, until the series shows us otherwise, I think we should just assume that Sylar only has telekinesis.
3littlebirds
Just a thought about Sylar's power/s What if he can "feel" who has special powers while they are being used. The maps can lead him to the general area where the heroes are, and if an ability is used, he knows who is using it.

It would make sense as to why he might have only gone after Chalie, and left Hiro alone
moullas
QUOTE (3littlebirds @ Nov 15 2006, 07:36 AM) *
Just a thought about Sylar's power/s What if he can "feel" who has special powers while they are being used. The maps can lead him to the general area where the heroes are, and if an ability is used, he knows who is using it.



i agree with the map theory, and to expand it think sylar is on the trail of papa's suresh map.

from what we have seen in sylar's appartment and in papas suresh appartment back in india, both maps contained locations and pictures of heroes and also we can see that they knew each other.
so i dont think thats a coincidence, i mean the way he tracks down the people with abilities seem very easy as if he has a "map".
ducati748
I completely agree. He is one curious man.
Khrom
QUOTE (Dunc @ Nov 14 2006, 07:34 PM) *
Don't forget flight. Or however he escaped when Matt was shooting at him. Oh and there's being bullet proof since Matt shot him. If he didn't miss.


Bullet-proof (which we didn't SEE really, we were not shown imacts or evidence of actual impacts, just Sylar flinching and falling back. We were not shown blood or bullet holes in Sylar's clothing.) He could have deflected them or stopped them with telekinesis. Or Matt could have simply missed (which seems unlikely, but IS possible). On the other hand maybe Sylar wore a bullet-proof vest. Simple answer there.

Flight (which we did not SEE, it was just implied) could be telekinesis.

Flash-Freezing (the results of which is shown, but not him DOING the freezing, an important point...) could conceivably be telekinesis (slowing the molecules), but could be an accomplice or even him preparing a container of liquid nitrogen and wafting a blob/sphere of it around via telekinesis as a first strike weapon when he has to face several opponents.

Why freeze? Deadly first strike, prevents instant regeneration, and preserves the brain for study later.

(Edit: Much of this was noted by Philhos above. -K)
Porter
and lets not forget to add "bending light" to his ability list since he was in a well lit dinner and you still only saw his hands haha
elswinger
I am curious as to why Sylar has only frozen the one guy (eating breakfast) but did not freeze Charlie.
Khrom
QUOTE (Monster Man @ Nov 14 2006, 07:50 PM) *
He didn't miss, you can hear the slugs dropping to the floor when he gets up. His telekinesis makes him bullet proof.


I don't think the sound is bullets falling, as they are high pitched (higher than the spent cartidges hitting the concrete when Matt was shooting) and there are too many of them.

Bullets are lead, sometimes copper jacketed, but the lead makes for a much lower sound. Spent cartriges 'tink' on concrete because they are thin brass shells.

I'm certain that the sounds you refer to are misleading (intentionally?) but just part of the orchestration of the music.
JunaD
I believe Sylar is some kind of religious fanatic that thinks people like him are evil and must be destroyed. He has made it his crusade to get rid of all of them.
Monster Man
QUOTE (Khrom @ Nov 15 2006, 10:56 AM) *
I don't think the sound is bullets falling, as they are high pitched (higher than the spent cartidges hitting the concrete when Matt was shooting) and there are too many of them.

Bullets are lead, sometimes copper jacketed, but the lead makes for a much lower sound. Spent cartriges 'tink' on concrete because they are thin brass shells.

I'm certain that the sounds you refer to are misleading (intentionally?) but just part of the orchestration of the music.

I don't want to be argumentative, but I have the episode downloaded from iTunes & I've gone over this several times, even playing it at 1/2 speed with sound.

At exactly 00:24:50 Matt enters & shoots Sylar 7 times, you hear the shells dropping to the floor as he fires. Sylar is knocked back to the ground from the shots. As Matt turns to check on Audrey at 00:25:00 we see Sylar rise up off the floor stiff as a board with only a bit twisting of his upper body. When he's nearly at full stand you can hear 4-5 slugs hitting the floor & rolling around. The sound was not connected to the music.

I'm not the only one, other synopsis of the episode point this out:
QUOTE (From Wikipedia)
Matt turns to check on Audrey, but behind him, the man rises from the ground abnormally, allowing the bullets to simply fall out of him...

If you argue the point of it didn't sound right, well that's Hollywood for you. Go to the IMDb for just about any movie & check out the goofs. A bike that has a four-stroke engine, but sounds like a two-stroke. Guns shooting more bullets then they can hold, etcetera. More likely then not it was done in post production & they may not have even used real slugs for the sound, something totally unrelated to get a more noticeable sound.

Anyway, believe what you will, but I can say with confidence that is the idea they were trying to convey. He was shot, but he simply got back up. For it to be misleading wouldn't make any sense & would make it more complicated then it would need to be.
QUOTE (elswinger @ Nov 15 2006, 11:17 AM) *
I am curious as to why Sylar has only frozen the one guy (eating breakfast) but did not freeze Charlie.

He froze Isaac Mendez in the future Hiro saw & in a deleted scene in "One Giant Leap" he froze a cop. You can see that image on the NBC Heroes gallery.

Some say he just likes varity in the way he kills. Audrey says he has no M.O.
fuka
All of the abilities he's displayed are explainable as psychokinesis.

Freezing/Heating - changes in molecular/atomic motion
Flying - motion
Gun to head - motion
Impaling/chopping people up - motion (he's manipulating an object to do the cutting, he can apply much greater and more accurate force obviously - or he is just separating the bone apart)
Bullets in the FBI HVAC room - he either stopped them with psychokinesis or removed them (less likely) with it.
Moving the coffee cup - (this is a huge one) - that's just PK/TK

Therefore by applying parsimony his ability must be solely psychokinesis.

(side note to nitpickers Psychokinesis and Telekinesis are synonyms)

His motive imo (again using parsimony) - is that he's insane. He is a serial killer, driven nuts by discovering his abilities. Most people who are a little twitchy to start with would wind up completely over the edge if they found out they had a godlike ability like PK. I mean seriously - he's removing the brains because he probably thinks its somehow important in his crazy head.
itsinthegenes
QUOTE (philhos @ Nov 14 2006, 09:11 PM) *
The only power Sylar has displayed is telekinesis - and that was with the cup thing from last night and his almost killing the FBI chick.

We don't know for a fact that it was Sylar that did the freezing or anything else. Heck, we don't even know for sure that Sylar is the one killing people. We all assume it because of the FBI chick - and even that's suspect because it was apparently someone's last words.

But, getting back to my point of Sylar's ability. Everything that we've seen of Sylar do, so far, can be linked to telekinesis and ONLY telekinesis. Moving the cup, "pushing" the FBI chick up against the wall, 'causing her gun to be placed next to her head, stopping the bullets, and according to Matt who looked up, we assume that Sylar can fly (also possible through telekinesis.

So, until the series shows us otherwise, I think we should just assume that Sylar only has telekinesis.




Seriously - why does everyone assume Sylar/Sylar/S.Iler is working alone?
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