LOL. You have God's answer book do you?

What on Earth are you trying to prove this time?

no. but for a start, a second is not a measure of time... it's a measure of motion.

dunc i will be happy to discuss the answers here, but i cannot just give them out.

A million pounds. Ouch! That would hurt!

answers:

1: time is the rate of change
2: it doesnt travel, it its a constant of "rate" or "motion" it has no properties as it is what properties are based in
3: time is measured in years, months, weeks, days, hours, minutes, seconds... etc

btw... i'd would like my million pounds converted to US dollars and mailed via money order

i would give anyone a million pounds who could answer me three simple questions:

1). what is time?
2). how fast does time travel?
3). what is time measured in?

no stupid answers, none that contradict and none that are wrong.

Aww, I thought you had the answers. If I thought you were just gonna reiterate the three questions I wouldn't have bothered.

just curious.

do you know something your not telling us...
Like you can bend space time?!

You asked "what is time measured in?"

I measure time in seconds. Most people measure time in seconds. Therefore, time is measured in seconds. It's also measured in years. There are many other units used to measure time.

That's not wrong, you're just being pedantic and trying to be clever. Not that I expected anything different.

How do they possibly contradict?

And besides, just telling people they are wrong and not expanding on it is not discussing. It's just commenting. So far you've contributed nothing except criticism. I'm beginning to doubt you're knowledge on the matter!

Personally I thought your answers were the best so far. I put the blame on the questions. The questions are too open-ended to be answered specifically. There are many answers to each, as you proved when you talk about minutes and hours.

I, however, did expect something different. I expected answers. I don't for a second believe anyone would give someone a million if they were correct, even if they had a million to give. I just wanted some sort of answer to the questions put forth by the person asking.

I think the real question here is, if you could go back in time and undo those three questions, would the last few minutes of your life be wiped from existence, would you continue with that memory, or would the timeline itself stop you from changing it?

That's precisely the point Dunc. It is easy to debunk them so no-one "wins".

What's the captial of France.

Paris.

No it isn't.

Doesn't work, we can check...

How about this. "Guess what number I'm thinking of and I'll give you a million pounds."
3. no. 45. no. etc.

you just proved me right

time is the value given to the CHANGE that the universe incurs in the "measured" amount (years or minutes ect)

1 and 2 contradict and again 3 is a measure of motion.

my answers dont contradict actually they reinforce each other, time is only the rate of change in objects

and motion is measured in distance per time (ie miles per hour)

I would remember it, you wouldn't.

Well, with all that cleared up, fancy giving us your version of events, amolion, before some mod quite within his rights closes this thread for not being related to the episode enough.

no it's not. and i'm not.

a year for example,using the gregorian calender, is the value based on the alotted amount of time it takes the the earth to revolve around the sun.

but what about anomalistic years, eclipse years, sidereal years and tropical years?

months, weeks, days are derivatives of these and hours, minutes, seconds, etc are based on lunar rotations. they do not measre time, they are measures of the time it takes for these events to occur.

1)

Time

1. the system of those sequential relations that any event has to any other, as past, present, or future; indefinite and continuous duration regarded as that in which events succeed one another.
2. duration regarded as belonging to the present life as distinct from the life to come or from eternity; finite duration.

2) Time is a concept, therefore cannot travel.
3) You can only measure relative time.


Good question. Lots of hypothetical stuff going on with the concept and idea of time.

So is time linear?




I know I'd undo reading and posting here.

oh i forgot, time travel backwards is impossible and instant time travel is impossible. You would be able to see backwards in time by going faster than the speed of light and moving forward of light then looking at the image you saw (much like supernovas are seen here on earth thousands of years after they occur BUT you would not be there physically and you would not be able to change anything be cause the actual matter does not exist on the light it is being reflected on. To move forward in time would mean to travel at or faster than light and then slow back down to below light speed at the same place physically (so the matter exists) this would in theory make time pass faster for the individual or object however it would not be instantanious causing time to be relative only when the measurement of time occurs at faster than light speed. The perception of time may be relative However we all travel at the same constant when we are under the speed of light.

all of this is a very very very breif summary and leaves out MANY important details and factors. it is in no way complete but meant to not be an entire book.

porter i like your answer also, you've covered many bases and are probably aware that there is no specific answer to the three questions, just answers that are not correct or that can be deemed incorrect based on hypothesis.

dunc, this has nothing to do with intelligence i was merely curious as to peoples views on the subject. there are many definitions of time and i just wanted to know what people made of it. you gave examples of relative time. therefore if hiro goes back in time six months, will he be six months younger, as everybody else is? if he then stays where he is for six months will he be the same age or will he infact be six months older when he reaches the point he left?

edit: ok, not the einstein stuff (but that's an entirely different kettle of fish).

Well first of all the universal speed limit must be light because to travel the speed of light you need to be pure energy(light) and light can only tavel to the speed of light therefor making it the speed limit. To tag onto that light can be slowed down (by using light, just trust me and dont think about it too hard) but it remains the energy that light is and does not form into anything suggesting that to travel at the speed of light you must become light.

a moment was my clever way of saying that the perception of time is relative but time is a mathematical formula (that is one i dont know, sadly) to be frank everything breaks down into a mathematical formula (in saying this you could see why the matrix was such and intriguing idea to me haha) anyways thought, biology, motion everything break down in its simplest form to math. So time travels at a constant that it defined in words by seconds and hours. These are a motion to a clock hand but looking at the formula d= rt or t= d/r you see that the motion the action taking place over a distance at a certain rate. Meaning that you must be able to define this d/r so you get a number and the words we use for that number is some fraction of a second or any other word that is used to define a set period of time such as a minute hour week or anything else because all of these words describe a motion (such as the earth spinning or traveling around the sun) but also take into acount the distance traveled and the rate traveled.

take a word problem using t= d/r

a train travels one mile at 20 miles per hour. How long was the trains journey?

simple question 1 hour, r is it 60 minutes, or is it any other fraction of any other term used to define time.

the motion was the train traveling ( the verb) the rate was 20 mph and the distance was 1 mile.

so time is measured in seconds, hours, ect (linguistically)

Ha, possibly not. I'm going to test out this theory. I'm going to make a flux capacitor using a freeze frame of Back To The Future when the doc holds up his blue prints. It's going to be great. If I don't come back online, I've wiped myself from existence. Or have I?

this conversation is what causes the nuke in Isaaks painting lol

Yeah lol. Radiation dude is reading the forum right now and getting completely stressed.

Yes that's right. HEROES IS ALL REAL!

lol.. i think its time this thread go

1. mathematically d/r= t (distance divided by rate equals time in otherwords) so this is saying that the amout of it takes a certain amount of time to get from one point to another at a constant or average rate of speed. but time does not exist as a 3rd dimension quality much like length and width can exist on a 2d model but depth cannot. So this makes time a 4th dimension. It can be equated to a flip book of 3d pages. So time is literally the distance from one point to another in the 4th dimension. Some propose that to travel at the speed of light move you slower or fast than the normal constant. This is loosly based off the fact that lightis the only thing that does not have any measurable mass and exhibits properties of a wave AND a particle at the same time. The speed of light is also the universal speed limit, to put it mildy, meaning it can not be exceeded. This is proven by one simple fact. If you take sound (a wave) and project it forward from a moving obect the sound will travel slighly faster as it leaves the object and slow down in as it moves away (causing a sonic build up and eventual boom when you approach and reach the speed of sound respectivly) see the doppler effect for a full explanation. A particle travelling at a set speed will move faster than that set speed if it leaving in the same direction as the object it is leaving. Light does not do this it will remain the same speed traveling from an object in any direction from that object, making it a universal speed limit.

2.the speed of light literally

3. time is measured in moments

Lazarus Man, i like your answers. ok not the standard time definitions, but ok.

but if time is merely a concept and does not travel, can it be measured?

if only relative time can be measured, as many people have stated, but not actually known what they have said, would the time be relative to a traveller, or to his environment, or somehow both?

Does it help you feel more important to constantly remind yourself you're more intelligent than others?

Yeah ok, Admittedly, I'm no scientist or mathematician, so I don't fully understand your answer to question 1, but just because we don't know/can't think of anything doesn't necceasrily mean that the speed of light is a universal speed limit. I don't think so anyway. It is shear speculation though. As it al lis until it's proven.

Time is measured in moments? I didn't think a moment was a specific amount of time. Can you expand on this so I can say "just a moment" and fully understand what I'm saying.

So why mention that people are saying things without understanding them? And to whom do you refer?

I'm gonna go to bed in a minute, it's getting late. Before I do, what are you talking about 6 months? You're not the first person to mention 6 months. Has somebody worked out how far he's travelled back? Did we find out when Charlie's birthday was?

1) time is a measurement
2) it travels as fast or slow as we want it, as is seconds and minutes
3) it is measured in space and velocity

i dunno

haha thats what i was getting at. the answeres to these questions are vague at best and some undefinable by words because of limitation of the underanding (in full) that a person living in a 3d world can have of a 4th dimension.

hahahaha rubio very clever, and insightful.

oh id like to add based on the fact that time would bend if you went into the future and you cannot go into the past, you could say that traveling into the future would cause you to be:

your age (a) plus the the amount of time spent traveling forward in time relative to the graph of time in faster than lightspeed. you would have travelled a set amount of time in the future but lived much less time because of the graph of time in faster than lightspeed.

to simply explain travel backwards is impossible and travelling forwards instantaniously is impossible because matter is still a factor and if you are talking about traveling in ahead of a certain poin in light then you will not have the matter and you will not have the reflections of something that has not happened yet. so you must wait for it, causing the added time during time travel.

simply, light is time

Time is a construct which cannot be defined because we have no proof of it existing at all. Just like our thoughts. But anyways...

Def:

Time is a repetitive loop, that changes with each movement. Like a frame cell for a cartoon. If you duplicate a frame, it will be the exact same thing, but changing one line or dot, will make it a totally different frame all together. So each move we make changes the same base cell of time.

Time travels at a rate of motion. So for every move we make, 1 interval of time is placed down. The real question is, how do we measure movement? By seconds and hours etc.

Time is measured IN motion. So therefore, for every movement, 1 frame of time is placed down. Which is than measured in seconds, and other intervals.

That's my theory any ways

"They do not measure time, they are measures of the time"

Yep, you're being pedantic.

If they are measures of time, they are what time is measured in. Thus your third question is totally and completely answered.

Actually, he is correct. They do not actually measure time, because we cannot tell how time is measured, due to the amount of different ways people have used to analyze it.

They are simply instruments of time. If you ask what do you measure height in, people will usually say inches or feet, not Rulers or measuring tape.

Just like how humans run on a 25 hour cycle, while the sun is a 24 hour cycle. Should that mean that one of us is off balance? Or is it that we are using hours as an instrument to help measure time. We still haven't figured out how to measure it yet though.

This kinda seems like the most rediculous topic ever... Good times people! haha.

Very intriguing topic...

this is a silly theory i just thought up
[plz excuse any obviously stupid mistakes i make... it's almost 1AM & i've spent the last 10 or 11 hours studying for an exam]

1)time is space
with out space or matter time cannot exist
for example if you crumple a piece of paper and then lay it on a table the paper slowly expands as time goes on so w.out time the paper could not expand & vise versa
[perhaps this is why its it's called the SPACE time continuim]

2)Time doesn't travel it merely continues on with no end

3)Time is measured relative to space [or matter]
for example it is often measure relative to the earth
as it take one year for the Earth to rotate around the sun it is accepted as a unit of 'time' although technically it isn't

time is also measured as distance for example when measured relative to light [as in a "Light Year"] which is how far light will travel in one year... which is i believe [if i remember High School Physics correctly] the speed of light in a vacuum is 3x10^8 meters-per-second times however many seconds are in a year... to lazy to check if that # is in fact correct & too tired to work it out right now... buh thats just 4 anyone who is interested... if anyone is interested*

& just so that you don't say there's contradiction [between 1 & 2] as far as human knowledge is concerned space [or matter] is infinite (there is nowhere where space stops or begins) therefore time is infinite.


i donno if this made as much sense as it did in my head... (even there i donno how much sense it made) buh it is what it is mayb tomorrow when i'm a lil more coherent & my brain isn't about to explode i'll come back and revise anything that doesn't make sense.

plz leave me some stuff telling me what you think about it

The alotted amount of what again?

But whatever. Seconds, and years are used to measure time. That's what we use to measure time. To deny it is plainly just ridiculous.

The question was "what is time measure in", not "what is the correct unit of measurement of time", or "what is a year" or "what measures time" or whatever. Think about it. Your scientific and mathematical knowledge is fine. Your English has failed you.

Time is measured in seconds, years, months, even if it is wrong to do so.

... I know the answers, but I wanna see my hundred pounds first. lol, I'm just kidding.

But really, this thread is making my head hurt, it's gonna get all philosophical and logical and ****** like that... I think I'm gonna go somewhere else before I get caught in the middle of it lol

To bring it back to the context of the TV show Heroes... (remember that?)... time travel backward, in this show, is possible. Hiro has done it twice. (Once to warn Peter, once to try and save Charlie. You might want to add a third time - when he returned to Tokyo after seeing the bomb, but we don't need to as that is slightly different (because of the returning element).)

so lurk... you're essentially saying that time is measured by... time.

those are actually really good answers, especially the second one.

No, I'm saying time is measured in seconds, what are you talking about? (Years, minutes, days or months are also used to measure time.)

No, no magazine. Just common sense. Who have I been agreeing with for most of this conversation? Not you. Yet suddenly here I am agreeing with you. In one post.

Does this really need to be discussed on the 1.8 forum? Since time travel and time in general are topics that will be dealt with throughout the show, shouldn't this be in either the general topics or even off-topics?

What is time? It's the crap that takes to long between new episodes of Heroes.

How does time travel? Slowly between episodes, and to damn fast during them!

How is time measured? In the torment I experience waiting for a new episode.

Those are my answers

Tom

Cool. Do you want to wire me the money? Or mail me a check?

Tom

i said really good, indicating that i liked your take on time... not that they were correct.

your second answer indicated that you experienced time at different speeds ie an hour before or after the show seems to go slower than the hour that you watch it.

although joking, and using the show as the main factor for comparison, the question then becomes what have you experienced? despite the amounts of time being the same one seems faster than the other... does that then mean that awareness is a measure of time?

if you are locked in a dark room with no way of seeing what time it is, would you know how long you'd been in there?

if you say "yes" i could count, then what happens when you fall asleep?

And that your grasp of English isn't fully developed (not that mine is).