maybe hiro knew that he, hiro, couldnt save the cheerleader because he had to save charlie, thus having futuristic hiro call upon peter to save the cheerleader, whether its claire or someone else, that night in the subway.

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just had a thought, man this show sure makes you think.

I'll do you one better:

Hiro saves Charlie, but comes back too late to save Claire, unbeknownst to him. When he finally gets to Claire's town, he realizes that he didn't save her. Mr. Bennet and Hiro somehow meet - probably because of a combination of Hiro's earnestness and Bennet's excellent hero-finding skills.

Long story short, Hiro joins Mr. Bennet's team with the Haitian guy and Eden (and Isaac?), and develops his powers to their fullest. Mr. Bennet wants him to simply go back in time and save Claire, but they realize that limitations of time travel make that impossible. Instead, they decide that Hiro will go back and tell Peter Petrelli to save Claire, realizing that Peter can at the very least match Sylar head-rip for head-rip.

like that one too

Explosivo, Sick theory!

WOW! That's definably the most interesting theory i've heard yet about this show! Serious props for that one man.

Man, what a Mindf***!
i love this show... it realli make you think
keep it up

I'm wondering if Peter is the cheerleader. He's the one all go "powers" go!...and has the you can do it! attitude!


..and that's all I'm willing to speculate for now in a non-spoiler forum.

Is it safe to say, that Hiro, the one that teleported to 6 months ago, is also the same Hiro (no time travelling afterwards) is the same Hiro that met Petrelli on the subway?

Actually, now that I think about it, no. Supposedly, Peter has a scar. Hmm.

Because we never see the crime scene either when the waitress dies, we don't know if she's the one that died or not. However, there was a murder committed.

That has to be one of the best speculation I have hear about this show! Awesome!

nice theory. i like it. but that means in order to save the cheerleader he'll have to let charlie die. how sad. Save charlie OR the world

I love it...but what would lead MRG & Hiro to connect saving Claire to saving the world?

Wait...what if they realize that she's the only one who can survive Ted's radiation, thus the only one who can get close enough to stop him? That's assuming Ted is the bomb (which I think he is...).

so are you saying that heroes is actually set in future hiro's time and all we have seen is a flashback?

also, can someone explain how ted is the bomb?

I think the theory implies that this is what happened for Future-Hiro, so he went back in time to Peter in the subway and told him to save Claire because he knew he was 6 months in the past saving Charlie. So if his plan works, Charlie and the world can be saved.



We obviously don't know this for sure, but I don't think it's a stretch since he's radioactive and he has the ability to generate intense heat to the point of setting things (and people) on fire. It's plausible that if he were to lose complete control of his powers, the result might be a nuclear bomb-like explosion.

I don't believe it is the same Hiro from the subway for one distinct reason. When future Hiro met Petrelli on the subway he had very long hair. It would have taken years to grow his hair that long and speak fluent english. His english is spoken to well and his hair touches the middle of his back.

This is what I think happens in future Hiro's time. The "good heroes" lose the fight against the "evil heroes" that results in a horrific future. (Also note that is this future Hiro and Peter meet and fight along one another, and sometime in a future event Peter gets scarred.) In that future Claire dies which starts a chain reaction that causes the "good heroes" to lose. Future Hiro, with the incredible time travelling power, tries to recreate the future but continually fails and the only way to ultimately win an important battle against the "evil heroes" (not necessarily the war) is to save Claire. Its kind of like the Terminator movies. The humans keep trying to change the past so the "machines" wouldn't take over the Earth, but everyone knows that in the Terminator story the humans were destined to lose to the machines. Thankfully in our case, future Hiro knows how to prevent the ultimate chain reaction that will cause the "good heroes" to lose that will prevent his future from happening which is to "Save the Cheerleader, Save the World!"

Feel free to comment please.

My biggest problem with the "He had to get Peter because he couldn't get there" is simply pointing out the Issac painting with Hiro and Ando underneth the bloodied Welcome banner that Claire is creating at the end of 1.08, heck they even cut from that painting to Claire making it. Now there is the possibility that Hiro has changed that future by going into the past. But then that wuold in all likelyhood be revealed in Issac's newest painitngs

I think that's the coolest theory I've heard so far. Sounds great!

Except that Hiro still has his cellphone, and sometime soon Peter is going to call it again and say 'hey dude, get to Odessa!', otherwise Hiro & Ando wouldn't be in that painting with the homecoming banner. The only way he knows to go to Odessa regardless of anything else happening is Peter seeing the last painting and telling Hiro where to go.

Since Peter hasn't called yet, it will be sometime in the next episode, which is after Charlie dies, so Hiro will still get the phone call unless Sylar wacks him on the head or completely incapacitates him or something. And it is Hiro's cellphone, not Ando's, so it should be in his possession regardless of if he is in the diner or at Charlie's house, or if Charlie is alive, or dead. Homecoming is the next night so that gives him a good 20 hours or so after Charlie's death to do something.

Whether Hiro is late or not, he still needed to visit Peter on the train so Peter could put the paintings together to tell Hiro where the cheerleader was. If Peter is not convinced to go back to Isaacs again then nobody ever finds out where the cheerleader is.

If the painting panels are in proper order, then Hiro & Ando get to the homecoming before Peter does.

Just my 2 cents, it's cool to think about what may be about to happen given all the clues.

Just a quick question, has anyone thought about why Hiro chose Peter to be the one to tell about saving Claire? I think its because at the moment Peter's ability is the only thing that can compare to Sylar's. You know since Peter can "copy" others phenomenons .I just thought of this because some say Sylar can teleport/ bend time, therefore he would be capable of many other things.
And I read someone's theory that Sylar needs to kills Clair to observe her invincible ability. By then he would be impossible to stopped. However if we recall, Sylar was shot by Matt before. So I'm afraid he's already somewhat invincible, dont ya?

Why Peter? Not exactly sure. We know that Hiro has visited Isaac and calls him, but he won't pick up the phone. At some point in Future Hiro's timeline, he must meet Peter and Peter tells him about Isaac. So Future Hiro goes back in time and gets Peter to go answer the phone and relay the information. We also know that Future Hiro's goal is for Peter to tell Hiro the save the cheerleader message too, so the message isn't just for Peter.

I guess future Hiro forgot his own cellphone number and needed someone to pick up the phone, instead of appearing to anyone and saying 'call this number and tell Hiro this ...'

Sylar was shot but I think only in the chest, so he could have a vest on. He did seem to stand up using some form of levitation or something, unless he was just using telekinesis to pick himself up somehow. It appears to me that he can teleport and/or go invisible, but it's just a guess.

Unless we find out that Hiro can selectively stop time for others Peter is the only one that he could possibly have come back to meet. He stopped time so that he would have Peter "alone," limiting the risk of a "rift." Peter's powers allow him to share Hiro's Time/Space ability, so he's free to move around and talk with Hiro.

As far as Sylar getting shot, if you listen to that scene again you'll hear all of the bullets hitting the ground as he "stands" (like when Neo stops the bullets at the end of The Matrix). Either the bullets did actually hit and penetrate, and his body expelled them, or he used his power to stop them short of striking him, but was knocked over by the force. I expect it was the latter.

I agree probably chose Peter because Peter can copy Sylar's ability. However Sylar has superb telekenetic powers (able to move objects with his mind). So he stopped the bullets by pushing them back, and when he flew out of the FBI basement he actually projected himself up. I read that in another thread somewhere.

I see your point, but I think he could have also come back without stopping time and talk to someone too though, like give a message to Ando (but not himself), since Ando knows his power he wouldn't freak out and would pass the message on to the other Hiro. Whether he freezes time or not, the future is going to be drastically effected because now Peter is going to do something he wasn't. My point is that he doesn't have to stop time to deliver a message, and stopping time doesn't change the fact that the future is going to change because of his visit.

I think the real reason for the rift comment is because at the same time Future Hiro was on the train, present Hiro was passed out after being wacked by the poker henchmen, so there was little risk at the time of the other Hiro doing something to the space/time continuum and causing a rift. Also, he is in a hurry, only because he doesn't know when the other Hiro is going to wake up and see that time has stopped. I don't see another reason why he would be in a hurry.


Good catch, I will have to watch that scene again.

when future hiro came back, other hiro would have been frozen as was everybody in the world and completely unaware of the fact.

he goes to peter because peter can use hiros power. the time is frozen so that he does not affect the timeline and he is only there for a short while as it is far in the past and does not want to give peter any info that will alter time.

It's not much of an arguement, but I think future Hiro has developed his power so much that he can unfreeze people when he freezes time, and it's not Peter absorbing Hiro power. Just think about it, wouldn't the present Hiro be aware that future Hiro is freezing time because future Hiro wouldn't be able to freeze present Hiro.

Hiro has several powers (or more correctly several applications of his power). He can teleport, freeze time and move through time.

How would Peter know which one to use the instant that Hiro froze time when he had never even met Hiro or knew what he could do?

This is one of the many things that has been bothering me about Future Hiro's visit. I wonder if Hiro is not so much trying to change the future but trying to repair damage already caused either by himself, Peter, or another hero with space/time bending abilities--thus he is not trying to alter the future but rather trying to preserve a future he knows.

It is also possible (but unlikely) that Future Hiro is merely using the "Save the Cheerleader" as a cover to get the heros together and doesn't actually give a flip if Peter succeeds or not (in which case Peter's success or failure is irrelevant to future Hiro's plan).

In all, I think this whole Future Hiro business is a plot seed for another season.

That's actually a very plausible theory. I don't think it's going that way though but good thinking.

Not technically correct. Hiro has the ability to remove himself from the space/time continuum and then reinsert himself in another location in the space/time continuum. Through this power he can produce a variety of effects as demonstrated:

1. The ability to move forward in time. However, the use of this application of his ability allows him to experience a future devoid of him from the moment he left the "past". [Demonstrated in ep. 2 when Ando reveals that he has been missing for weeks. This can no longer occur, as Ando is now in the US and further is aware of Hiro's ability.] This makes moving through the future problematic, because anything Hiro experiences in the future will most likely be voided should he return.

2. The ability to halt time completely. In this application, Hiro merely moves around space and can still interact with spacial objects. [Hiro seems to be able to use this ability most often and consistenly.]

3. The ability to move back in time. Once to return to his "present", and the other to return to a "past".

It remains to be seen if Hiro can Teleport through space without also having to move through time as well. [He can just walk around while time is frozen, but there appears to be a limit to how long he can keep time frozen.] It also remains to be seen what limits there are to his moving through space/time are. Could he make it all the way back to get personal and up close with dinosaurs?

It also remains to be seen if Hiro can actually remove other people from space/time as well. Future Hiro may have done this with Peter, but because of Peter's ability that may not have been what happened.



So far, Peter has used others powers without a lot of conscious thought. [In fact, so far we've only seen Peter consciously use Isaak's power--all other uses of someone else's powers have thus far been accidental.] It is entirely possible that Future Hiro being the only hero close to Peter at the time allowed Peter to duplicate his ability automatically, and the time freeze effect automatically removed Peter from space/time as well--specifically, the removal from space/time is a reflex action similar to Claire's ability to heal which does not require any specific conscious trigger like DL's ability does.

No, but close enough to avoid a page long description.

I have been thinking about how Hiro would know that saving one person could make things better. If that person is dead in the future, how would you trace things back to the death of that one person.

I think that saving the cheerleader may have more to do with HRG than with Clair. If the cheerleader dies, it could send HRG over the edge and put him on a rampage to kill all those with special powers. But if she lives, and is saved by someone who is special, he may be more inclined to be on their side. So while Clair may not be key to stoping the explosion in NY, keeping her alive may win them an ally.

DDR

"repairing damage already caused" makes sense, but remember his goal of meeting Peter is to keep "everything" from happening. He has a goal and it isn't just to chill out, it is to change things for the better. Why they are horrible, who knows, but to say he is not trying to change things to me is wrong. He is definitely not trying to preserve a future where everything gets blown to smithereens.

***Regarding Sylar getting shot by Matt***

We had a shot of Sylar at the diner getting what looked like a metal coffee mug in his hand without touching...like Magneto in the xmen series. So if he can control metal, it would explain him not getting shot right?

good point

think about what would happen if someone used a metal coffee cup, it would get hot. I think the point of the showing the coffee mug move was to show he could control cermaic/plastic/anything else through telekinesis. i've posted this before and here's my theory on his getting shot:

he had a bullet proof vest on, i mean i would if i went an FBI building too... and when the bullets went into it, he fell down, like most people do. he then pulled them out with his telekinesis to appear fierce.

Well the painting with Hiro and Ando shows the banner is bloody, so they might show up too late to save SOME people.

Peter may be incorrect about the correct order of the paintings. It could go Claire running up the steps, Claire going "Nooo..." Hiro and Ando beneath the bloody banner, and Sylar standing over the dead body of Claire (insert the Peter dodging lockers anywhere in there).

What if the cheerleader to save was actually jackie...it could stop a chain of events from happening...(just a random thought).