thanks for posting those. i'm pretty sure it's 7 minutes to midnight though. also the name of the episode.

what's the deal with this dude's watch? it's going to be important, i think.

Sylar Killing Chandra is Mohinder's Dream

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Sylar in cafe before killing Charlie

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If you check closely the watch is damaged and it is stuck at the time of 7 minutes to 12 in both instances.

But in Mohinder's dream the dream is happening at night so it could be 7 to midnight then. The watch looks broken in the cafe. hmmm

I believe he also has the ability of time travel

Honestly, I don't think that Sylar's watch is meant to be any sort of indicator of the actual timing of events. It's broken-looking in the cafe, but I don't think that the time shown on it is significant.

For any of you familiar with Watchmen, or possibly worldwide nuclear war, "X minutes to midnight" is a term that indicates how close things are to complete disaster.

Sorry if I'm pointing out the obvious to any of you, but I've read many comments on people talking about the time on his watch as an important point in time. I really believe that the way it has been used, it's meant to be more of a symbol than a clue.

Just my two cents.

Sylar attacked chandra and broke his neck at 7 minutes to midnight, whilst doing so his breaks his watch on the car window and the time shown is fixed.

the man in the diner, who also had telekinetic powers, had a watch on that was stopped at 7 minutes to 12.

therefore it can be presumed that syalr killed chandra.

Sylar broke his watch when he was killing Chandra - he hit it against the glass...
This breaks the watch, leaving it set 7 mintues to midnight indefinitely...
this IS important... and it is related to the Doomsday Clock, which has been set at 7 minutes to midnight since early 2002... 7 minutes from nuclear war/ the end of the world.. doomsday.

Interesting possibility - could it be that when Sylar killed Chandra, THAT was the "event" that set things in motion for the heroes? Was it THAT event that started the countdown to doomsday?

I agree. I thought the watch was just showing us it was the same person. I knew there had been some speculation that HRG killed Chandra in the past so this definitely squashed that.

But could there be something more to the broken glass? Could coming in contact with Sylar somehow cause glass to break? (I am referring to HRG's glasses but i thought there was another instance of broken glass a couple of weeks ago but my memory fails me at that.)

um.. there was a broken window pane in Isaac's studio when Hiro is looking through it and sees the explosion (obviously, I mean it was broken before the explosion)
I can't think of any other broken glass... but the broken watch face and glasses would indicate that it might be important...
WAIT! I remeber Nathan's wife telling him "i'm not made of glass"

Anyway, I'm still sticking to the doomsday countdown theory, especially since 7 mintues to midnight is the name of the episode

so are you saying that because his watch is stuck on 7 minutes to midnight the world is in a state of normalcy?

That makes sense, but I guess Sylar only cuts the brains out of people who have powers, and kills normal people in some other way... I guess to avoid connection with the other murders he's committed...

That would be kind of neat. Especially if after homecoming the obviously broken watch is all of the sudden at 3 minutes to midnight or something.

that's not what i meant... lets see if i can verbalize what i'm thinking... ok, so with a working watch, as time passes, obviously the watch will be at 11:53(pm) once a day, like normal - no different than any other time, but when the watch breaks at that time, setting it at 11:53 - it suddenly is "set" or "synced" with the doomsday clock... starting the countdown -

(a bit more.. maybe stretching a lot... considering the doomsday clock doesn't actually use TIME to count down (but instead is just a representative of the current state of the world) a doomsday watch wouldn't have to tell time)

Anyway, basically I'm just saying that it seems like the doomsday "watch" was "set" when Chandra died... perhaps indicating that his death started the "countdown".



(can you tell that I use "air quotes" a lot when I'm talking... it is annoying even to me! sorry!)

what countdown?

the clockhand is moved by hand. 7 minutes to midnight was the time set in 1947(?) to indicate normalcy.

She (he?) didn't say it wasn't set by hand but the doomsday clock does represent a countdown. Its a representation of a countdown to... doomsday!

Doomsday is midnight. With the current state of the world it is set to 7 minutes to doomsday.

This is exactly what MandaBrook posted.



And it was very well thought out I thought. Very interesting analogy.

Does anybody else notice Sylar's hands seem strangely bigger in the scene where he is murdering Chandra compared with them normally?

Wouldn't it be funny if we see Peter's mother giving him that watch as a graduation present in the episode where they go back six months and show how the characters got started and he is seen graduating from nursing school?

Thanks Lurk! - I think you clarified it perfectly... I bet I'll just confuse everyone again... oh well, here goes!

Amolion seems to be confused... apparently, (s)he spent more time in math/physics classes than in Literature classes.. Amolion thrives when discussing time in terms of theoretical astro/quantum physics (per the "win a million" thread) yet struggles with discussing time (or at least a clock) in terms of a simple metaphor...

The hand of the clock is "moved" (yes, by people) closer or further from midnight (in case this escaped you... the metaphorical midnight is doomsday - nuclear war, the end of the world, yada yada). It is moved based on the events in the world - some things that may move it closer to midnight: a war, nuclear arms race, terrorist attacks, volatile relationships between nations/diplomats, possibly even economic and natural disasters, etc. Some things that may move it away from midnight: peace treaties, disarmament, positive relationships between nations/diplomats, etc.

When the clock was set at 17 min ?til... the world was rather stable, when it was set at 2 min ?til... it was rather volatile.

Anyway, RIGHT NOW - it is set at 7 minutes ?til - this is simply a theoretical gauge of an impending doomsday based (subjectively) on events and circumstances in the world ...


Anyway, since "events" and other world situations are the basis for the "time" on the clock - it would seem that an "event" (i.e. - possibly the murder of Chandra) broke and therefore "set" the watch to indicate a doomsday countdown - as a metaphor - a literary device - I?m not saying that I think the watch hand is going to start moving towards midnight - I'm just saying that the countdown was initiated

Did anyone else think it strange that he was still wearing the broken watch? That, to me, is the most significant thing.

I find it extremely unlikely that he can time travel. Why would you believe that? Because he wears a broken watch?

You can find out the whole history (and its current setting) here: Doomsday Clock

I think you are wrong. The watch seems to be broken from the murder of Papa Suresh and I think it is just showing that Sylar was the one who was responsible. The title of the episode seems to show that Papa Suresh is murdered at 7 minutes till midnight. That is just my two cents. Enjoy it

I agree with you. I think it was interesting that he was wearing that broken watch...

Neither of you are wrong and you're both right. The watch was broken from the murder of Papa Suresh and shows Sylar was responsible and the time at which it was broken is significant metaphorically, re: doomsday/nuclear apocalypse, etc.

"seven minutes to midnight" is such a specific time I cannot for a second believe that it's just a coincidence that the writers happened to randomly choose for Sylar's watch to break at exactly the same time as the Doomsday Clock is set. Especially when we know that it's a doomsday scenario our heroes are trying to prevent.

Yeah I noticed that too. I'm guessing since he's a maniac that he keeps the watch on to remind him of when he killed Suresh. Other than that I guess it's just a method for the writers to help us identify the guy without having to show his face.

Mohinder looked at the watch with interest too, so with this knowledge he may one day get Hiro to go back and save him, or just flat out identify Sylar.

Here is my Theory about Sylar's watch.

7 second to Midnight means that time is 7 minute to nuclear war. And the watch broke up 7 minute in the car while Sylar is strangling Suresh.
So I think that Suresh's death is not happened yet, may Sylar have curve time to get back after he failed to stop the Bomb(Ted).

When I saw the watch, my first thought was from the X-Men animated series. In one episode Xaiver is able to tell that Magneto had just left the area from his watch having stopped because it had been magnitized.

Though I hope Sylar's powers aren't electro-magnetic (because it's too X-men-ish), I do see a lot of clues to this: his ability to stop bullets, pinning people to the wall with metal chairs, sending locker's flying at Peter (in the painting), and crushing Chandra Suresh's taxi (in "Monsters" graphic novel).

i agree i think this is jus to show when papa suresh had been murdered

He is Telekinetic. Nothing more. Unless, of course, you count deranged and psychopathic. It was just a metaphore for doomsday and a cute device to tie him to Chandra's murder.

Mohinder will probable see the broken watch when they meet and go "OMG You killed my Father." Then Sylar gets to say: "No. I AM your father!"

Then Mohinder cries like a girlie and falls to his appearent death in Cloud cit.. oh wait im thinking of something else.

MutantFeak is perfectly right. It is entriely feasible, and highly likely, that both meanings are correct. Every episode title has had two meanings so far. A metaphorical meaning relating to the meta-plot, and a literal meaning relating to the episode itself (or sub-plot).

And incidentally, in this image, Sylar's reading a paper with "Odessa" written on it.

The odd thing is in the comic it shows Chandras car being ripped apart but if all Sylar did was break his neck then why would this have occured?

I could be wrong but wasn't there a painting with a clock showing 7 minutes to 12 the night claire is supposedly attacked?

i concur.

no doubt we will see sylar again and will have to check the watch then.

I may be wrong, but that comic picture makes it look like someone ripped their way out of the back passenger seat of the cab. There are a lot of reasons why Sylar would have done this, including (but not limited to) being a little to in the moment to have the brains to simply use the door handle to leave.



No. I seem to recall (but I don't remember where/when I saw it) a picture with a clock at 1 or 2 minutes past 8 connected with homecoming. The upcoming missing painting (seen in previews) also has a clock in it, which is also not set to 7 to midnight. That time seems to only appear on Sylar's watch so far.

Could be but there is also blood in the back seat on the floor. Most likely im looking to much into it but Sylar dosent seem the type to overuse his powers for no reason.

He could have killed Mat but didnt at the FBI building. He seems to be a controlled killer. Why else would he get in a cab and be driven in a dark ally just to over react afterwards?

Why is it everyone thinks that Sylars watch is BROKEN?

As far as I can tell we only saw the watch for split second(s) at a time. And what we saw was a broken watch? No the GLASS face of the watch was broken but is the watch still working?

It was 11.53 when he killed Chandra in the cab. It was also 11.53 when he was in the cafe.

11.53PM he kills Chandra. 11.53AM When he's in the cafe and kills Charlie.

FACE BROKEN - WATCH WORKING?

TC

Why has noone mentioned the fact that when Hiro looked at his watch in episode 2 it said 11:52 then, about a minute later, the bomb went off, i know everyone probably knows this but its so significant how is it we can have two pages of people repeating that the watch was broken in the cab and at the dinner and still have none mention Hiro's watch?

P.S. Yes i realise that Hiro's watch was set to Tokyo time and im not sure what the time diff is between New York and Tokyo, im also way to lazy to look it up. Still, if nothing else it is just a reccuring theme, it is still significant.

LOL, yeah it's not like he'd use them in public to move a coffee cup across a table because he's too lazy to reach the 1 foot to grab it by hand. It probably is blood in the back seat. My actual guess for the damage is that Sylar wanted to make the killing look like a traffic accident, or otherwise cover up/complicate his murder. The man is not stupid.

He is not a controlled killer. He is a focused one. Given the extent of his abilities, he could have simply rendered the FBI agents unconscious rather than doing them in. He also shows a propensity for sneak attacking, trying to get the drop on someone. He might even fear direct confrontation for some reason (and justifiably so, given how he fared against Matt and Audrey, which didn't go so well as the other times we've seen when he has been able to sneak up on his prey).

And he might have been able to kill Matt, but it looked like he had some issues kiling Audrey which allowed Matt to get the drop on him. He was probably in a situation where attempting to do Matt in could have allowed Audrey (now free from his TK abilities) to start shooting at him. 'Twas a wise decision on his part, methinks, to take the better part of valor. Remember, as powerful as he may be, he still has limits and vulnerabilities.



Didn't mention it because I don't have episodes recorded for continuous viewing (and a good thing too, or I'd never get anything else done in my life).

And Hiro's watch is set (assuming he didn't reset it upon arrival in NY) to Tokyo time, or two weeks and we don't know how many hours ago, so looking up the difference in time between the two zones won't really get you anywhere. Given his time shift, his watch may have been correct on NY time.

If you look at the cab its ripped up from the inside out from the back out the roof and also out of the side of the cab. Hard for it to look like an accident since the inpact should go inwards.

In any case as for the watch most likely we will see an event that will cause it to stop and also which will be vital in the creation of Sylar as we sort of know him

Along with the Doomsday Clock theory, it could also be that there are 7 powers/brains left that he needs to gather, and once he has those he'll be able to execute his plan.

In episode 9 we hear the ticking of a clock again as Sylar kills the cheerleader.

Im curious as to what it points to in the end. Seems Sylar may not be the one to cause the New York blast since Eden stopped him

BIG SPOILER BELOW, DONT READ IF U DONT WANT THE INFO


To make it short and straight to the point. Sylar's watch is broken and he needs it to MOVE. this is how he gets the telekinetic power. He needed the power so then he evolves to gain this power. As to why he needs the brains i dont kno yet. have fun and if u need any more info jus message me cause i believe i kno how more on this. thanks for ya time and have fun

His watch was not moving and was broken in the diner yet he used his power to get his coffee so it dosent seem to be the case.

Also if his watch is the source of his power that its pretty lame in my view

My simple Theory on Sylar's watch

Did eveyone forget the fact that the brand of the watch is "Sylar" ? Thus he wears it as a symbol that identifies him as Sylar also been broken and all these theories about it relating to some doomsday could infact just be clues that Mohinder Suresh could find out he was Sylar or simply indicate his evil nature. i always thought that his ability was to understand how things work [Tick] after examinating it ... which probabily explains the head slicing .. just a thought .. im sure eating brains out would be deemed abit overboard..