MADCAT
Nov 16 2006, 06:53 AM
True, but think of this:
Hiro's on his way to NY to meet Peter. what if they meet, find that they have to be in Texas and hiro teleports them to Texas, therefore being able to use Hiro'sd powers?
Maybe?!
MADCAT
Nov 16 2006, 05:38 AM
It seems obvious that Hiro and Ando show up at the school, as shown by the bloody homecoming banner they are standing in front of in Isaac's painting.
I also think that Peter shows up at the school and ends up using Hiro's powers. I believe that one of Isaac's paintings shows Peter walking down a hallway with frozen school locker doors hanging in mid-air and Peter walks around them, trying to avoid them.
Maybe Peter shows up, Sylar attacks him by throwing the locker doors at him and somehow Peter uses Hiro's powers to stop time and not only save himself but maybe the cheerleader?
I could be wrong but what do you think?
Amayirot akago
Nov 16 2006, 05:43 AM
QUOTE (MADCAT @ Nov 16 2006, 02:38 PM)

It seems obvious that Hiro and Ando show up at the school, as shown by the bloody homecoming banner they are standing in front of in Isaac's painting.
I also think that Peter shows up at the school and ends up using Hiro's powers. I believe that one of Isaac's paintings shows Peter walking down a hallway with frozen school locker doors hanging in mid-air and Peter walks around them, trying to avoid them.
Maybe Peter shows up, Sylar attacks him by throwing the locker doors at him and somehow Peter uses Hiro's powers to stop time and not only save himself but maybe the cheerleader?
I could be wrong but what do you think?
I'm actually thinking the picture with the locker doors indicates Sylar will attack Peter by tossing the doors at him through telekinesis, and Peter will respond in kind by mimicing Sylar's TK and fight back that way.
But the Hiro angle seems interesting as well..
amolion
Nov 16 2006, 06:07 AM
but peter doesn't know what hiro's power is.
MADCAT
Nov 16 2006, 06:25 AM
QUOTE (amolion @ Nov 16 2006, 09:07 AM)

but peter doesn't know what hiro's power is.
What do you mean? Hiro stopped time in the subway didn't he? Petere was there to see that.
Also so, why does Peter have to know what power someone has to then be able to use it? Maybe Peter saw the locker doors fling towards him, he closes his eyes and hopes they don't hit him, and when he opens his eyes after not being hit he sees everything frozen?
Is there not an idea out there that Peter uses Sylar's powers aganst him to save the cheerleader? How could he do this without knowing what Sylar's powers are, hummmm?
amolion
Nov 16 2006, 06:46 AM
hiro bends space/time. all peter knows is that hiro visited him from the future. peter has to at leas be aware of someone's power in order to use it.
if sylar tk's the doors at peter, who has already absorbed his power, he will be able to do the same.
steve2112
Nov 16 2006, 06:52 AM
I don't think Peter will use Hiro's powers but I do think he'll use Sylar's powers against him. That compounded with Claire's healing ability should put him on top.
steve2112
Nov 16 2006, 07:01 AM
QUOTE (MADCAT @ Nov 16 2006, 09:53 AM)

True, but think of this:
Hiro's on his way to NY to meet Peter. what if they meet, find that they have to be in Texas and hiro teleports them to Texas, therefore being able to use Hiro'sd powers?
Maybe?!
We don't know how Peter gets to texas.. I think Peter will see that missing painting and put it together, OR Issac will tell HRG that he needs Peter to stop Sylar and HRG will fly him in.
If Hiro wanted, he could have just told Peter in the subway. "Cheerleader's name is Claire Bennet, she goes to so and so highschool. She will die approx whatever time from a psycho telekenetic named Sylar"..
BUT this will be more interesting because Peter knows about HRG from Nathan. When Peter meets him that'll be interesting.. HRG has to know Peter is Nathans brother..
I think we'll learn a lot more about HRG's orginization when this is all done.
MADCAT
Nov 16 2006, 07:04 AM
But Hiro was in hurry at that time and may not have time to say all of that. time rifts and all..
steve2112
Nov 16 2006, 07:14 AM
QUOTE (MADCAT @ Nov 16 2006, 10:04 AM)

But Hiro was in hurry at that time and may not have time to say all of that. time rifts and all..
Maybe but I kind of believe he had to be cryptic because messing with the past is dangerous. I think that's what he's going to learn going back to save charlie...
When Hiro goes back he really shouldn't contact her at all. Just watch over her. That day at the diner he could slash her tires or something to keep her from getting to work.
I think when you mess with the past you got to be subtle.. But hey what do I know..
amolion
Nov 16 2006, 07:43 AM
QUOTE (Lurk)
He was worried about people complaining about filler
LOL.
amolion
Nov 16 2006, 07:37 AM
QUOTE (MADCAT @ Nov 16 2006, 03:04 PM)

But Hiro was in hurry at that time and may not have time to say all of that. time rifts and all..
why was hiro in a hurry? he can control time. if he can go back in time to save charlie, he could have spent a bit more time chatting to peter.
LurkNoMore
Nov 16 2006, 07:38 AM
QUOTE (amolion @ Nov 16 2006, 03:37 PM)

why was hiro in a hurry? he can control time. if he can go back in time to save charlie, he could have spent a bit more time chatting to peter.
He was worried about people complaining about filler.
MADCAT
Nov 16 2006, 07:42 AM
QUOTE (amolion @ Nov 16 2006, 10:37 AM)

why was hiro in a hurry? he can control time. if he can go back in time to save charlie, he could have spent a bit more time chatting to peter.
some other post said he might be worried about a rift in time. the current time Hiro was in Vagas being beaten up and unable to use his powers at that time. this gave the other Hiro time to use his power, jump back in time, talk to Peter, before the Hiro from that time woke up and had the chance to use his powers again.
I think that a rift may occur if two hiro's are in the same time and space and they both try to use thire powers at the same time. that sounds good doesn't it?!?
amolion
Nov 16 2006, 07:50 AM
QUOTE (MADCAT @ Nov 16 2006, 03:42 PM)

some other post said he might be worried about a rift in time. the current time Hiro was in Vagas being beaten up and unable to use his powers at that time. this gave the other Hiro time to use his power, jump back in time, talk to Peter, before the Hiro from that time woke up and had the chance to use his powers again.
I think that a rift may occur if two hiro's are in the same time and space and they both try to use thire powers at the same time. that sounds good doesn't it?!?
if future hiro goes back in time and all time freezes, present hiro will freeze too. if he goes back when hiro is unconscious how will hiro wake up if time is frozen?
LurkNoMore
Nov 16 2006, 08:04 AM
He doesn't know MADCAT. Get used to it, it's amolion's way to state his opinion as fact.
MADCAT
Nov 16 2006, 07:54 AM
but how do you know present hiro frezzes? maybe he's not affected by his own powers, no matter what time period Hiro is present at the time?
amolion
Nov 16 2006, 07:57 AM
because future hiro froze ALL time, time which present Hiro is part off.
amolion
Nov 16 2006, 08:17 AM
i just follow the most logical route.
MADCAT
Nov 16 2006, 08:12 AM
QUOTE (LurkNoMore @ Nov 16 2006, 11:04 AM)

He doesn't know MADCAT. Get used to it, it's amolion's way to state his opinion as fact.
I'll accept that, fine. BUT is there not room enough to try and imagen (sp?) that Hiro's powers when used don't affect any other versions of Hiro that may be in that same time period?
I mean everything we talk about here isn't fact until the next show, or the next one, or the next one or the .. well you get my drift don't you?
Jag
Nov 16 2006, 08:41 AM
I think when Hiro halts time, it stops all time. Everything and everybody freezes. To me a localized "freezing" wouldn't make sense, because eventually someone else will notice. Say someone on a phone call to the "frozen" area at the time.
So far I think Hiro is still learning about his powers. He is just like us right now guessing at what the implications of altering the past/future/present will do. It all depends on what the writers need to tell a good story (I hope).
I really wonder if the writers knew how popular this series was going to be and how they were going to play with minds of the fans... (it's a fun ride, no?)
MADCAT
Nov 16 2006, 08:27 AM
QUOTE (amolion @ Nov 16 2006, 11:17 AM)

i just follow the most logical route.
LOL logical. are we not talking about super hero powers? I think we can throw logic out the window on this forum. anything can happen can it not? it's TV after all!
amolion
Nov 16 2006, 08:29 AM
if anything can happen, then heroes will just turn into a big pile of toss... and i'd have expected more from this show.
ingenuus
Nov 16 2006, 09:11 AM
QUOTE (amolion @ Nov 16 2006, 09:57 AM)

because future hiro froze ALL time, time which present Hiro is part off.
if this is true, then how was peter unfrozen when future hiro came back on the train? it is conceivable i think that once present hiro learns more about his powers that he can stay unfrozen if something like that were to happen again (ie if peter accidently froze time around hiro, maybe hiro could stay unfrozen or something).
does that make sense?
amolion
Nov 16 2006, 09:13 AM
he was using peter's mimic ability to take him out of time.
ingenuus
Nov 16 2006, 09:35 AM
QUOTE (amolion @ Nov 16 2006, 11:13 AM)

he was using peter's mimic ability to take him out of time.
exactly...the same ability that hiro has that prevents him from freezing. that is pretty much my entire point in saying that it is conceivable that since peter can borrow future hiros power thus rendering him unfrozen, hiro may get to the point where he learns to do that himself. that would explain future hiros hesitation in staying too long since he may not know exactly at which point he was able to do that so he did not want to create a rift.
empyre
Nov 16 2006, 09:20 AM
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QUOTE (steve2112 @ Nov 16 2006, 07:01 AM)

We don't know how Peter gets to texas.. I think Peter will see that missing painting and put it together, OR Issac will tell HRG that he needs Peter to stop Sylar and HRG will fly him in.
If Hiro wanted, he could have just told Peter in the subway. "Cheerleader's name is Claire Bennet, she goes to so and so highschool. She will die approx whatever time from a psycho telekenetic named Sylar"..
BUT this will be more interesting because Peter knows about HRG from Nathan. When Peter meets him that'll be interesting.. HRG has to know Peter is Nathans brother..
I think we'll learn a lot more about HRG's orginization when this is all done.
I don't know how Peter finds out he needs to go to Texas. But, when he finds out he probably won't have much time to get there. So, he must convence Nathan that they need to fly to Texas. This maybe when Nathan says,"How fast do you think "WE" fly".
As far as saving the Cheerleader. Hiro didn't give Peter Clair's name because Sylar isn't after Clair. Remember that other Cheerleader that told evryone that she saved the man from the burning trian wreck. That is who Sylar is after.
amolion
Nov 16 2006, 09:24 AM
from what we've seen, sylar is after claire, but because isaac's picture paint the true future, he will actually kill jackie as a cheerleader has to die. upon realising his mistake he will go after claire, who will then need saving. no-one cares about jackie, so why would they need to save her.
MADCAT
Nov 16 2006, 10:10 AM
QUOTE (ingenuus @ Nov 16 2006, 12:35 PM)

exactly...the same ability that hiro has that prevents him from freezing. that is pretty much my entire point in saying that it is conceivable that since peter can borrow future hiros power thus rendering him unfrozen, hiro may get to the point where he learns to do that himself. that would explain future hiros hesitation in staying too long since he may not know exactly at which point he was able to do that so he did not want to create a rift.
This is the point I was trying to make. Hiro has the ablity to stay unfrozen or maybe unfrezze himself and thereby use his power at the same time as another Hiro and cause a time rift.
now does that mean if Peter is close to Hiro and time frezzes can Peter then unfrezze himself or would he still need Hiro to help him out?
LurkNoMore
Nov 16 2006, 10:18 AM
Hiro has several powers (or more correctly several applications of his power). He can teleport, freeze time and move through time.
How would Peter know which one to use (even assuming he can sense powers that will be available to him in the future) the instant that Hiro froze time when he had never even met Hiro or knew what he could do?
ingenuus
Nov 16 2006, 10:23 AM
QUOTE (LurkNoMore @ Nov 16 2006, 12:18 PM)

How would Peter know which one to use (even assuming he can sense powers that will be available to him in the future) the instant that Hiro froze time when he had never even met Hiro or knew what he could do?
im guessing the same way he knew which one to use on the train
MADCAT
Nov 16 2006, 10:24 AM
QUOTE (LurkNoMore @ Nov 16 2006, 01:18 PM)

Hiro has several powers (or more correctly several applications of his power). He can teleport, freeze time and move through time.
How would Peter know which one to use (even assuming he can sense powers that will be available to him in the future) the instant that Hiro froze time when he had never even met Hiro or knew what he could do?
how did peter use his brothers power in the first show? he didn't know his brother could fly but he was still able to when his brother dropped him. And when they were talking on the roof and he walked off the lip of the roof and "flew" a few a feet without thinking about it.
just throwing stuff out there
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