She holds a lot of knowledge... what will happen with her? Talk about Charlie here!

I dont see why her power is all that useful to Sylar.

its cool, yea, but how is this going to help him?

She's cute and likes Hiro. Thumbs up!

Of the little we saw of her... I really liked her. I hope she comes back.

Woo-hoo! Charlie has her own thread!* Once, in "Seven Minutes to Midnight", the sheriff or cop sounded like he called her "Harley"... Did anyone else notice that? Maybe I was just hearing things.

Seems like the ones who are in charge of casting love hiring actresses with big, round eyes, like Nora and Jayma (where you can almost see the white all the way around their irises). Is that a casting decision which would appeal to the most viewers? Or, in an alternate 'verse, would the characters, such as Eden or Charlie, be less appealing/watchable if the actresses who played those characters had more almond-shaped or narrower eyes?

Just wondering what ya thought... Hopefully Hiro finds out that he can change the future for the purty walking fountain o' facts! B)



*From the character request thread!-

I love her power, although I agree it may be of little use to sylar. And although I would love for her to return, I don't think her story can really get too deep. Adding a permanent love interest to Hiro just gives him someone to worry about; or adds a side-hero for...well...perhaps a future purpose.

Or maybe, due to her incredible memory, she is a good tool to use against the haitian. Just a thought

I do not know what will happen to Charlie, but she is cute as a button and i love her

Here are the pictures of her birthday party.

http://picasaweb.google.com/scott.t.fox/HeroesImages

This comment about the whites in the eyes made me laugh.

When I was in art school and we were studying facial gestures, the whites competely around the irises typically made someone look psychotic.

Facial expression is more important than someone walking around all the time with large eyes. I don't find the actress who plays Eden appealing, but I find the one who plays Charlie likable. I don't think it has much to do with the large eyes at all. I think it has more to do with the acting and the character development. Eden is becoming more likable as she shows compassion. The shape of the eyes doesn't make much of a difference to me. I think these are just good actresses.

The large eyes reminded me more of an alien on Eden and more of a manga character on Charlie.

By the way, the Charlie character is great. Excellent casting there. I hope she becomes a regular.

She's pretty cute!

I don't think her powers are useless at all. Imagine you're a dude named Sylar who has a billion books in his crib. Now when I read about astrophysics or time travel or the human genome project, I can remember some junk.

He could use this power to completely remember where all the other heroes are, instead of relying on looking back at his map, etc.

The appearence of all these big eyes reminds me of the Anime tradition of making the good guys, and especially the chicks, very cute. moe. It's that whole "the eyes are the windows to the soul" bit and is meant to convey that they're honest and whatnot. I really hope we see more of her b/c Jayma Mays just made her so cute and engaging. it would be a shame to waste her.

I think Charlie is completely adoreable. I'm glad Hiro gets a love interest and doubly glad it's a redhead b/c us redheaded girls just don't get much screen time. Feh.
But anyway, Charlie has a recent gift for remembering everything she reads. I'm not exactly sure what good this does Sylar unless he's just killing people for the heck of it. I mean, he could just be a homocidal maniac who prefers special victims rather than being on a specific mission to gain their powers or steal their brains or... whatever. But I want Hiro to succeed and to see Charlie again. All that cute energy does the show well, I think.

I can see why Slyar would want Charlie's power. Think about it. One glance at a picture or dossier on super powered people and he'll never forget it. He takes a moment to look at Chandra's map of the world and he'll never have to check it again.

"Knowledge is power" is a cliche for a reason. Charlie doesn't just have a photographic memory, it's practical too. She was able to figure out phrases that weren't in the phrase book and ajusted for the grammar too. Imagine if Sylar was able to take a look at some books on code breaking and then broke into Horn Rim's facility. A few minutes with the computer systems and not only would he know of ever powered individual that Horn Rim Guy is watching, but their powers, location, family, habbits, contacts and he wouldn't have to write any of it down and he would never ever forget.

Perfect and practical memory can be dangerous in the right situation. We can only hope that Hiro can do something to save her.

Be careful what you wish for...Hiro saving her could mean disaster for DL. Remember, there will be no time stopping and tire fingering if he's somewhere else. Poor fatherless Micah.

Maybe. But we know that Hiro can exist with himself in the past, and his appearance in the photo while Ando still being at the diner (and remembering what Hiro had said and done) suggests that he would still be there to help DL even as he goes back to help Charlie.

Sorry Mr. Shadowcat DL, I'd choose the cute waitress. Nothing personal, but darn...she's cute.

She's awesome. Her power is crucial as was already mentioned.

but as I said in another topic. I agreed with someone else who said that she probably can't be saved.

or at least if she can be saved; she isn't. Because Hiro went back, and she was still dead even though we know that Hiro made contact with her.

i think she was just there to get hiro to drop his little-kid ish attitude towards this whole heroes journey. remember when he met up with peter on the train and he was very serious and to the point, really knew what he was talking about. I think he was all too excited to go and "save the world" without realising that it wouldnt be as easy as going to america,cutting a few cords in a bomb mission impossible style and skipping back home to japan. this is how i see that it will happen

Hiro goes back in time and tries many times to save her but always fails. this makes him want to train and take what he's doing more seriously. it helps him to realise that he cant always have a "do over" whenever he does something wrong

also, maybe he takes the japanese-english dictionary that charlie got for her birthday and thats how he learns english? i dunno

to clarify, i think she was just there to get Hiro to realise how serious what he's trying to do is and as a way for him to learn english

It would truly be a shame to flesh out so effectively such a cute, sweet, and happy character, just to have her snatched away from us so soon. I hope she manages to somehow survive thanks to Hiro.

Show needs more redheads, and since I've often been referred to as the Human Google, I really like her. =)

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I think he just happened to be getting something to eat at the Burnt Toast Diner on his way to Odessa. He overheard her talking and figured it out.

Uh, no. I am sure he has his targets in sight long before he goes after them.

But he was gawking at Hiro at one point. I think he was aware of him too.

I doubt Sylar can sense Heroes. If so, he prolly woulda killed Matt Parkman by now...

Yeah, im pretty sure thats the whole point of the map, he knows where they are popping up because of that algorithm thing, so he has planned a route accross the country or whatever to get the heros, and while im fairly certain his short term goal is to reach Claire, i think she is just the final stop of that leg of the trip. So thats why he stopped off at the dinner where she worked.
Its also possible, in responce to some peoples question about the usefullness of this perfect recall power, that he doesnt know all of the powers of the people that he is targetting, he only knows they have a power. I mean when you are stealing powers from highly evolved beings you cant really be all that picky, they are all going to be useful to some degree or other, with the possible exception of powers like Teds where they would actually be a bit of a hindrance if you werent sure you could control them 100%. Not that he would care i think if he went around giving everyone radiation poisoning.

I just thought of something, what if Hiro told Charlie how she died and how he came back in time to fix it(after dating for a while), she believes him but chooses death to prevent a disruption of the continum.

Imagine, that would mean the Japanese she learned she learned from Hiro and that she said he was sweet and all 'cuz she had fallen in love with him 6 months ago, and that she knew full well she was dying that day...

Would explain why Hiro left her a few weeks prior to her death, he couldn't stay around knowing what was comming and not doing anything, not because he couldn't but because he shouldn't.

I Thought about that too. I was thinking that after Mohinder went into Paul E. Sylar's pad that he seemed to read alot...remember all those books?

I think Charlie still dies, because otherwise, Ando would not be in the diner and there will be a change in the space/time continuum.

Charlie is dead for the most obvious of reasons...she is not a regular cast member, she is a guest star. I don't think the writers wanted to incorporate her powers longterm so they just stuck her in for 2 episodes. There'll probably be other short term heroes also during the season. I mean really, she isn't that special.

Alright, I was looking through the actress' (Jayma Mays) IMDB Profile to see if she had any projects coming up (and thus, would not be able to play Charlie in a long-term role). I didn't find anything, but my, she has been busy lately...

Next week on 'The Adventures of Googlewoman'...

Googlewoman dies by the hands of a mysterious figure who cuts her head open and eats her brains! Will anyone stop him, and how? And will her internet connection be disconnected forever? Find out next week!

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Seriously though, I don't think she'll become a major part of the show, she's just a guest star and they want to have a sub-plot for Hiro. Like someone else said, this sub-plot will probably lead to Hiro realizing that saving the world means people will actually die, whether he likes it or not.

Yep, it looks like her schedule is wide open to keep doing the Charlie character.

Here's a trailer for Epic Movie (coming out in 2007) with Jayma Mays:

http://www.filmwad.com/epic-movie-trailer--1479-p.html

She seems to be playing a hero in this too.

Poor poor Charlie, you never got to kiss me, sigh. Big round Eyes, I will surely miss you.


Hahahahaha, I'm SO going to see that!

So what are people thinking in terms of Charlie "forgetting" or "not recognising" Hiro?

Is it that she sees Hiro numerous times, just that each time she humours him? Or is it that she actually fogot about Hiro when he arrived at the diner? Does her not remembering have something to do with her ability taking over her brain, like in Butterfly Effect? Or does she have her mind wiped by HRG and the Haitian?

Read my post on HIRO IS WRONG...

Hiro keeps going back to save her and can;t.

Ultimately, he goes all the way back, and, like he did with Peter, tells her that shes going to die either way... if she pretends not to know Hiro each time they meet and gives her life up, she will save the world.

In doing so, Sylar kills Charlie, who is on the list by mistake (like Chandra said, some people will just have tumors that cause this stuff to happen... not magical powers otherwise), which means that Hiro disappears in time to save her and Sylar now can't get to Hiro.

Her dying means Hiro is in the past and Sylar can't touch him.

Hiro instructing her to do this from the very start helps Hiro live to eventually save the world.

I posted this in another thread but...

Look they screwed it up. I'll give a complete rundown of the situation. When we first meet Charlie, she is naturally sweet to everybody so that explains her communication with Hiro. Odd thing is that she had the book that Hiro gave her meaning that when we see that scene, this is a repercussion of Hiro already having gone back in time. But remember that Charlies B-day picture was still the original pic. THAT HAD NOT CHANGED YET! This means that Hiro could not have already gone back in time. So let's then assume that what we see is the future had Hiro NOT gone back in time. Well then she should not have the book at all. But forget that for a moment. Let's just say the book was a goof and Charlie and Hiro had some sort of agreement that she would play "dumb". Ok, if this is the case, then Hiro would not need to go back in time to fix the problem that he knew he couldn't fix weeks ago because by the time he meets Ando, which is one day from the day he goes back in time, he had already experienced his failure. Needless to say, there was no playing dumb. When Hiro got out the bathroom, he woulda said, damn, I knew this would happen but there is nothing I can do. I already went back in time to try to stop it.

Can anybody see that this makes no sense? I was telling somebody last week that the book REALLY screws the whole timeline thing up. If Hiro from the past gave her that book, the picture they had on the wall would have ALWAYS been the same because the book and the pic are in the same timeline. It might have worked if someone else gave her the book and it was just an icebreaker between the two of them. Please, somebody prove me wrong. There is no way. It is either a paradox where the events that occur should never occur, or the writers goofed and forgot what elements they presented us in previous episodes. Time travel ALWAYS gets screwed up!

P.S. Interestingly enough I'm watching a cartoon where people go back in time. They're giving instructions for future selves to do things they know will happen because they already went back and did it. So weird it hurts.

Damn Gargoyles...

i was right, she was just put there for hiro's character developement...i felt soooo bad for him though that he didnt get to kiss her, and when he tried to go back he couldn't.

So like, here's my thinking. Hiro transported back to japan, a little while ago. Ando has been waiting around at the diner fFor some indeterminate time, when Hiro walks in. The lady at the diner says "Hiro popped out of [charlie's] life weeks ago." That should have been plenty of time to fFind a phone and call Charlie and tell her what happened. But we don't know exactly when he actualy popped into japan. a week ago? a couple days ago? Time enough to make his way all the way back to texas.

Time enough to call charlie -- but she would have run off, disappeared, something.

So here's my theory. Charlie and Hiro go to kiss. Hiro goes poof. Charlie is left standing there with tickets. Then charlie thinks "omg!" then makes up her rassodocks to hop on a plane and swoop off to japan.

That would mean she wasn't in midland texas when sylar came fFor her. Ando wouldn't necessarily know -- he knows charlie is gone and there's some pictures and stuff of her .. but that just means she left. There aren't any absolute signs charlie is absolutely dead in the current timeline.

In fFact there's more evidence of her not being dead, such as the diner hasn't been turned into a crime scene, Matt and Audrey haven't shown up to investigate .. the diner seems to be running like noone at all just died.

Maybe I'm placing empty hope on this, but i really really *like* charlie. she's cute, and smart, and fFunny ... and she and hiro make the **cutest** couple! And I don't like to see Hiro so sad, poor guy.

The GOOD GUYS are supposed to win, darnnit!

I was thinking that Sylar didn't off her, that the brain aneurysm she had did, doing all those other things may have done something to trigger it.

But then again we don't know how the writters are going to deal with time paradoxes. Perhaps she died via brain pop but the present already happened so it didn't need to get rewritten.. Meh who knows

All I know is none of the pictures have been averted, cheerleader is still dead, Peter was all bloodied up and dead, nuclear bomb probably will go off.

Charlie is my favorite character, or close to it. I just naturally responded well to her. It is looking final for her, after #10. Too bad. My biggest problem with Charlie's death is this .. she is the only "normal" adult female with powers on the show.

Niki is an alcoholic who was abused and who has some kind of split personality or something. She is involved with an ex-con. She strips on the internet, and makes deals with Mob bosses. She is a total freak. Dont get me wrong, I like her, but she is a mess.

Eden is apparently almost as bad. She is from a neglectful and/or abusive background, she has authority problems, a huge criminal record, she looks to be a substance abuser also, and she used her power to abuse others (from all indications and implications). She isnt half the hard case Niki is, apparently, but she is messed up.

Claire really fits more of the "teen" niche for me. She is absolutely and totally normal (all things considered!) but she doesnt count to me because she isnt an adult yet. She is in a different role.

There arent any other female characters with powers.

So, along comes Charlie. She is pretty, nice, friendly, a bit rustic but she has aspirations. She is a normal, stable, person. She also has powers. She was the ONLY one. Then they go and kill her.

Now we are back to some kids, some messed up chicks, and a bunch of dudes. *shrug* They really need to flesh out their "normal people" roster. The males have a better blend of mostly normal characters. Issac is a druggie, DL is an ex-con but is clearly pretty stable as a person. The other male characters all have personal things going on in their lives but all fall in the category of normal. Sylar is just a terrible plot contrivance (but I like the actor's job, just hate the premise).

So, bottom line is, among the adult females with powers, we no longer have any straight shooters. Its all damaged goods.

As an aside, in reference to any time travel paradoxes, I made a post on time travel in sci fi that I will link:

http://www.9thwonders.com/boards/index.php?showtopic=39902

Lewis

There is an absolute sign in the diner that she's dead. There's a whole little memorial there set up for her. Flowers and a bunch of other stuff by the picture wall.

For Hiro that has already happen, he just had to be careful not to cross over his own past self. That is why he hung up the phone when he heard himself on the other side.


The thing we don't know is if Sylar did kill her or the anurism. She admitted to Hiro that she was dying. Even though he thought he failed, he successed in maying Charlie's last days ones filled with love and happiness. I think that was truly what both of them needed even though he did get the bad end of the stick when he popped to Japan right as they were going to kiss.

Anyone see the John Travolta movie Phenomenon? He learned Portuguese in 20 minutes and it was all due to a brain tumor (which ended up being fatal).

Maybe Charlie didn't have any "powers" at all in the Heroes sense. It could have been a "Phenomenon" type of thing and her running into Hiro was just a coincidence.

Hmm... that's a possibility. But then why would there be a painting of her? She had to be of some importance for Isaac to see her in one of his visions, right?

I also want to know; did Sylar actually kill her or was he planing to and the clot did the work?

this is by far the most morbid thing i have ever thought of related to this show, but is it possible that future hiro put her out of her misery, knowing that if she was spared,

1. Hiro wouldnt get those few months with her when he went back
2. She would die a horrible slow agonizing death

people often point out the metal sound heard when she died, versus what we saw happen to jackie, jusgt throwing the idea back out there even though it involves really thinking outside the "hiro is so cute and cuddly" box.

By the way, papa suresh's kid had a fatal mutation and he considered her a super, so yes, charley is a super

why would hiro kill her if he did then the brain would be sliced too did anyone consider the metal sound was the can opener she was using? i didnt think so and of corse shes a hero...she had the compasity of learning almost anything

Maybe he wants it so he can remember the people he want to kill. Or maybe he think that the next step is someone with all powers. All the pieces fitting together, so she is just one of the pieces. Together with all pieces it will work right. Like a clock.

So sad that Charlie dies. Regardless. We need to change this thread's subtitle to "The Dead Google - Rest In Peace"

She was not on for long, but Charlie will be missed! :'(

Sylars interested her because:

a) she can expand his power she is "broken" ... and he can fix her by killing her and c) since she remembers everything, Sylar can use that ability to remember the names/addresses of other mutants when he travels from one location to another.

Charlie's power is not merely super memory, its super intelligence. She didn't just remember Japanese phrases, she had become conversant in Japanese in a few days. She must have a staggering IQ. Super intelligence is something that any aspiring super villain could make good use of.