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peabodyseven
So Eden is grabbing Sylar as her Juggernaut with the help of the Haitian...it appears that HRG will have his hands full as will our Heroes. Apparently her power isn't just whispering in someone's ear. This ought to prove interesting in future conflicts...we're going to need a Hero power to go up against her..maybe Peter?...again?
SgtPepper
QUOTE (peabodyseven @ Nov 20 2006, 10:49 PM) *
So Eden is grabbing Sylar as her Juggernaut with the help of the Haitian...it appears that HRG will have his hands full as will our Heroes. Apparently her power isn't just whispering in someone's ear. This ought to prove interesting in future conflicts...we're going to need a Hero power to go up against her..maybe Peter?...again?


It was established weeks ago that she has the power of suggestion and works for HRG. It makes perfect sense that she and the Haitian would be there to intercept Sylar... especially since HRG *sent them* to get him.
peabodyseven
QUOTE (SgtPepper @ Nov 20 2006, 10:55 PM) *
It was established weeks ago that she has the power of suggestion and works for HRG. It makes perfect sense that she and the Haitian would be there to intercept Sylar... especially since HRG *sent them* to get him.
Her power was usually in the form of a whisper in the ear..never a command from a distance. And after the "falling out" she had with HRG about Isaac's treatment, I think she has plans of her own and won't turn over Sylar to HRG like she was supposed to. She had a sort of "take charge" attitude rather than an "I'm just following orders" when she and the Haitian took Sylar down.
jaysncards
QUOTE (peabodyseven @ Nov 20 2006, 10:15 PM) *
Her power was usually in the form of a whisper in the ear..never a command from a distance. And after the "falling out" she had with HRG about Isaac's treatment, I think she has plans of her own and won't turn over Sylar to HRG like she was supposed to. She had a sort of "take charge" attitude rather than an "I'm just following orders" when she and the Haitian took Sylar down.

That is a very real possibility based on the scene. She was very bad ******
FRicanKrazy
I think this is funny.

Notice the Haitian stayed away until she was done saying, you should sleep? The Haitian would have passed out too lol
pethcir
Nothing a pair of ear muffs can't fix. =]
commongiga
QUOTE (pethcir @ Nov 20 2006, 11:43 PM) *
Nothing a pair of ear muffs can't fix. =]


That just made me think of the scene in Old School with Vince Vaughn and the little kid.

"You just say ear muffs and you can say whatever you want in front of the kid."
peabodyseven
QUOTE (pethcir @ Nov 20 2006, 11:43 PM) *
Nothing a pair of ear muffs can't fix. =]
Do you think if she signs, the hearing impaired will fall under her power? laugh.gif Maybe her power is a mental ability as well. She just speaks it because she likes the sound of her own voice..Don't MOST women? laugh.gif tongue.gif
hulkamania85
I almost thought she was double crossing too for a minute there. Another question that needs answering, but I think she was just following orders.
kr8tivlogic
QUOTE (hulkamania85 @ Nov 20 2006, 10:11 PM) *
I almost thought she was double crossing too for a minute there. Another question that needs answering, but I think she was just following orders.


This is the most interesting part. Eden says, "sleep you are going to need your rest." I definitely think she has her own plans. Think about it, if Eden can make suggestions, why not use Slyer to gain as many powers as possible, then she can control Sylar for all her needs. Well.. maybe not all J/k.

I'm also interesting in seeing how Sanjog effects the rest of the plot.
Agent42
Hers will be a juggling act if ever in mixed company. She might control Sylar and command him to kill her attacker, but the attacker will be left open to shoot her. Only takes one bullet. If she turns her suggestion to the attacker Sylar will most assuredly neutralize her. So her suggestion is limited unless it is, as suggested, able to affect anyone who hears her. Perhaps this is why she didn't command out loud for Isaac to shoot up -- HRG might have been within earshot and shot up, himself.

Her's is a potent power, but again, she's mortal. A bullet to the head and it's back off to the North Pole with her fellow pixies.
elketerbentzadik
QUOTE (peabodyseven @ Nov 20 2006, 10:49 PM) *
So Eden is grabbing Sylar as her Juggernaut with the help of the Haitian...it appears that HRG will have his hands full as will our Heroes. Apparently her power isn't just whispering in someone's ear. This ought to prove interesting in future conflicts...we're going to need a Hero power to go up against her..maybe Peter?...again?


You did see the scene in the show where HRG told Eden to be there and to neutralize Sylar, didn't you?

I got the impression her and The Haitian were there following their orders, not there of their own accord starting their own little "Brotherhood of Evil Heroes."
Dareangel
Does anyone else think that she used her power on HRG when he told her to have Isaac shoot up again. He changed his mind awefully fast...
MADCAT
QUOTE (Dareangel @ Nov 21 2006, 08:35 AM) *
Does anyone else think that she used her power on HRG when he told her to have Isaac shoot up again. He changed his mind awefully fast...



I think that HRG has some way of blocking Eden?s powers (maybe even the Haitian as well). It wouldn?t be smart on his part to have someone working for him that could turn around and tell HIM what to do.

HRG: "Eden go clean the bathrooms!"
Eden: "No, YOU go clean the bathrooms"
HRG: "Okay"
SUFI
I believe Eden never used her powers against HRG because he has been a mentor or even like a father figure to her. She has(or had) respect for him and chose not to use her power on him.

I also believe she was sent by HRG to intercept Sylar but now has her own agenda. Maybe she will start to feel that she has to protect all SG's... Kind of like Magneto.


Since Kring said Sylar will be the main villain of the season, it leaves me to believe he will have some colleges of destruction. Mainly Eden and the Haitian.
narcissus
QUOTE (FRicanKrazy @ Nov 20 2006, 11:39 PM) *
I think this is funny.

Notice the Haitian stayed away until she was done saying, you should sleep? The Haitian would have passed out too lol


She is ineffective on the Haitian (he's a jammer)
Rising Stars
QUOTE (SUFI @ Nov 21 2006, 09:28 AM) *
I believe Eden never used her powers against HRG because he has been a mentor or even like a father figure to her. She has(or had) respect for him and chose not to use her power on him.

I also believe she was sent by HRG to intercept Sylar but now has her own agenda. Maybe she will start to feel that she has to protect all SG's... Kind of like Magneto.
Since Kring said Sylar will be the main villain of the season, it leaves me to believe he will have some colleges of destruction. Mainly Eden and the Haitian.


I just looked on the Heroes website, and there's a graphic novel about Eden. Let's just say it helps explains some of her motivations and why she's working with HRG possibly.
SUFI
QUOTE (Rising Stars @ Nov 21 2006, 03:38 PM) *
I just looked on the Heroes website, and there's a graphic novel about Eden. Let's just say it helps explains some of her motivations and why she's working with HRG possibly.



Yeah, I read that too. I am guessing HRG "took her in" and helped her develop her power. From the novel it seemed that EVERY time she spoke she would command but maybe HRG was able to teach her who, how and when to command instead of always commanding when speaking.
Snakeman
I just thought it was WAY too easy for Eden and Haitian man to subdue Sylar. If it was that easy to take him down why did it take so long for them to do it? Was it because they couldn't find him? How did they know he was going to walk down that path by the trees?
katlas77
QUOTE (SgtPepper @ Nov 20 2006, 10:55 PM) *
It was established weeks ago that she has the power of suggestion and works for HRG. It makes perfect sense that she and the Haitian would be there to intercept Sylar... especially since HRG *sent them* to get him.


But HOW did they know he would come up that way? I know..it was in the script..!

And at least the Haitian acknowledged her with a head nod! He isn't an automon!
Spaz
I think she was thinking of turning on HRG until he showed her the pics of the dead ppl. I also think that they were watching the school from up on that hill and that may have been the best escape route for anyone wanting to get away from the school...
shaka37
QUOTE (Snakeman @ Nov 21 2006, 12:39 PM) *
I just thought it was WAY too easy for Eden and Haitian man to subdue Sylar. If it was that easy to take him down why did it take so long for them to do it? Was it because they couldn't find him? How did they know he was going to walk down that path by the trees?



I totally agree. He was talked down gently like an angry bear at the circus. This is THE villain we're talking about -- presumably, anyway -- and he's killed with a violence and abandon that we haven't seen in anyone else except Jessica. This guy is supposed to be unstoppable and he was stopped by Eden with a few safe words. Totally unrealistic.
Kaioshin
Speaking of the Haitian, where does that dude come out from? He always just randomly appears, it's cool, but freaky at the same time tongue.gif
Zaknrfama
My guess is that Eden and The Haitian are turning on HRG and making Sylar into their slave/weapon. That would be hardcore. If they're not turning on HRG, well, they're staying with him and turning Sylar into his slave/weapon, unless Sylar escapes somehow.

I think it's pretty obvious by now that Eden has the power to implant suggestions in people's minds, though maybe that's just me.

And yeah, I think The Haitian does all that appearing stuff because he's just cool like that.
Sasuke
Well, Eden was instructed to take Sylar out by MB and he said she would have "help", which was obviously the Haitian. I don't see any betrayal here, as they did as he told her to do, by neutralizing him and now he'll likely be brought to the compound to be interrogated.
The Hand of Thanos
QUOTE (Snakeman @ Nov 21 2006, 12:39 PM) *
I just thought it was WAY too easy for Eden and Haitian man to subdue Sylar. If it was that easy to take him down why did it take so long for them to do it? Was it because they couldn't find him? How did they know he was going to walk down that path by the trees?


You are correct. Mr. Bennet told Isaac that he needed to find out where Sylar is. To me, it looks like they have a hard time tracking him and now that they've got him just after a decent fall... it should obviously be easy for them to apprehend him.

I would watch out though when he regains his strength. But I do think with Eden and Haitian together, they may be a force to be reckoned with. On a side note... I was really diggin Eden in her little pleather outfit lol I'm actually hoping they go villain on everyone.
doogerma
QUOTE (Snakeman @ Nov 21 2006, 12:39 PM) *
I just thought it was WAY too easy for Eden and Haitian man to subdue Sylar. If it was that easy to take him down why did it take so long for them to do it? Was it because they couldn't find him? How did they know he was going to walk down that path by the trees?



Sylar's elusive almost to anyone. Could be one of his powers. Also, the Haitian maybe monitoring him the whole time and figured out where he's headed and where they could apprehend him.
Also, to point out that Sylar's limping as he walked thru the woods.
He doesnt have the healing powers and can be mortally wounded.
That's a good reason Eden and the Haitian were able to capture him.
Novak Fan
QUOTE (shaka37 @ Nov 21 2006, 03:01 PM) *
I totally agree. He was talked down gently like an angry bear at the circus. This is THE villain we're talking about -- presumably, anyway -- and he's killed with a violence and abandon that we haven't seen in anyone else except Jessica. This guy is supposed to be unstoppable and he was stopped by Eden with a few safe words. Totally unrealistic.



I don't think that was unrealistic. Eden was intelligent enough to go after Sylar when he was weak , because she know how dangerous Sylar can be. Eden have one of the most powerful powers there, she proves it the moment she could control the "almighty" Sylar with just her voice. And we just suppose that Sylar is THE villiain. We still don't know if there is one more powerful than he is. Or if he is the only one.
shaka37
QUOTE (Novak Fan @ Nov 21 2006, 02:38 PM) *
I don't think that was unrealistic. Eden was intelligent enough to go after Sylar when he was weak , because she know how dangerous Sylar can be. Eden have one of the most powerful powers there, she proves it the moment she could control the "almighty" Sylar with just her voice. And we just suppose that Sylar is THE villiain. We still don't know if there is one more powerful than he is. Or if he is the only one.


You're right. We don't know if there's someone more powerful. But ... how'd she know he'd be weakened right then at that moment? She was waiting for him -- unless his weakness is predictability. Was it foreseen in a painting? Maybe I'm unaware of a painting that showed him weakened ...
philhos
QUOTE (shaka37 @ Nov 21 2006, 05:42 PM) *
You're right. We don't know if there's someone more powerful. But ... how'd she know he'd be weakened right then at that moment? She was waiting for him -- unless his weakness is predictability. Was it foreseen in a painting? Maybe I'm unaware of a painting that showed him weakened ...


Well, they knew Sylar would be at the high school because of Isaac's paintings. All they had to do was stake out the school. As soon as they saw him, they just kept tabs on him and intercepted him at the right moment.

It's not that hard to do. Police and the FBI do it all the time. And they don't have super powers.
LovelyHue
I'm not seeing where people thought she would betray HG. Yeah, they had an argument, but you could definitely see her coming around to his point of view when he showed her the photographs. Also, in that scene she did EXACTLY WHAT HE TOLD HER TO.

Unless following orders is a sign of betrayal now.
Novak Fan
yeah ^^^ I don't see her betraying Bennet neither. She can easily say him no, I don't want to do it. And we all know he would agree tongue.gif Maybe...maybe in the future, but right now yeah, she did exactly what HRG told her to do
decodv
QUOTE (Snakeman @ Nov 21 2006, 08:39 PM) *
I just thought it was WAY too easy for Eden and Haitian man to subdue Sylar. If it was that easy to take him down why did it take so long for them to do it? Was it because they couldn't find him?

Mr. Bennet said exactly that to Issac.

Issac: "If you know who he is, why not just go get him?"
Mr. B: "Because we can't find him. He's very difficult to track."

What I'd like to know is who HRG is. It seems that when used in this thread you're referring to Mr. Bennet. But if so, why use HRG?
Novak Fan
QUOTE
What I'd like to know is who HRG is. It seems that when used in this thread you're referring to Mr. Bennet. But if so, why use HRG?


it's refers something about his glasses. Someone told me what that means but I can't remember. But yeah, HRG is MR Bennet
Vogon Poet
HRG stands for horn-rimmed glasses, which are what Mr. Bennett wears. HRG is easier to type and is the name the writers were referring to him as in the script, and during promotion he was known as Horn-Rimmed Glasses because he was mysterious and they didn't want to spoil the big surprise of him being Claire's father.
shaka37
QUOTE (philhos @ Nov 21 2006, 02:43 PM) *
Well, they knew Sylar would be at the high school because of Isaac's paintings. All they had to do was stake out the school. As soon as they saw him, they just kept tabs on him and intercepted him at the right moment.

It's not that hard to do. Police and the FBI do it all the time. And they don't have super powers.


This is true. Still, someone knows something. The speed with which he killed Charlie could have been detrimental to Eden and the Haitian even if Sylar was weakened from the fall. They unless they were following him, he could have taken off in any number of random and different directions. This felt slightly orchestrated to me.

The thing for me in the buildup of this story is that Sylar has been portrayed as vicious in the extreme and almost unstoppable. There was no real fight (and I know this discussion is probably better served on another thread, so I'll get back to my point, which is ...)

Eden and the Haitian knew something. They knew where to be, how to do it. They had plan.
dand
edens power is the controling voice.

shes similair to the starfox the marvel superheroe turned villian. without the flight and all taht but controling emotions and and the will of others is eden to the T

heres his page

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starfox
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