Hyro
Nov 21 2006, 08:35 AM
I enjoyed this episode as much as any other, but I felt ripped off by all the misleading hype. I was expecting to see the explanation of how saving the cheerleader would save the world, but it turns out I was just getting jerked around by the network hype machine. If they keep lying in the promos about what the upcoming episodes are about, I'm going to stop watching the show just on principle.
Hordak Alpha
Nov 21 2006, 08:39 AM
Saving the cheerleader was only the first part of the Heroes destiny. Saving the world is the second unfulfilled part.
I'm guessing Claire had to be saved because the whole saving the world thing is going to require each and every member of the team to pull it off.
The lack of superpowered fighting did disappoint me but at least we got a little telekinetic battle action even if it was a very piddly amount. I think the Heroes writers are afraid to give us decent superpower fight scenes for unknown reasons. The character plot development is great and all but the show needs some actual conflict scenes that don't take a minute and a half to resolve. Even if the fight scene could have been an actual full five minutes I would have been happy.
prophet
Nov 21 2006, 08:41 AM
i was just disappointed that we didnt get a big TK fight between Peter and Sylar. I mean obviously, Peter figured out what Sylar could do since he had locker doors flying at him, so he knew he was in the presence of another person with powers. He could have at least tried to throw them back before running off.
though I heard someone say that as they hit Peter they bounced off backwards as if Peter was kinda involuntarily TK blocking them from absorbing Sylar's power from a distance. oh well, at least this episode didnt feel like it lasted only a few minutes like the epi from two weeks ago.
ottomatic
Nov 21 2006, 09:11 AM
QUOTE (Hyro @ Nov 21 2006, 08:35 AM)

...I was expecting to see the explanation of how saving the cheerleader would save the world...
You must be watching a different show than the rest of us. This is a serialized drama. If they answered everything in one episode this would be CSI: <fill in the blank>.
This entire show is about saving the world dude, hang tight and enjoy the ride. Shows like this don't come around very often.
Atlas
Nov 21 2006, 09:08 AM
QUOTE (prophet @ Nov 21 2006, 08:41 AM)

i was just disappointed that we didnt get a big TK fight between Peter and Sylar. I mean obviously, Peter figured out what Sylar could do since he had locker doors flying at him, so he knew he was in the presence of another person with powers. He could have at least tried to throw them back before running off.
though I heard someone say that as they hit Peter they bounced off backwards as if Peter was kinda involuntarily TK blocking them from absorbing Sylar's power from a distance. oh well, at least this episode didnt feel like it lasted only a few minutes like the epi from two weeks ago.
Peter is just begining to understand his own power. Look how much trouble the other heros are having learning to use one power. Peter has to be able to learn how to use many different powers. That being said, I am not suprised that Peter did not open a TK can of woop-a** on Sylar. But he was able to use TK to pull Sylar over the edge and drop down onto the pavement.
mandy1
Nov 21 2006, 09:13 AM
QUOTE (ottomatic @ Nov 21 2006, 12:11 PM)

You must be watching a different show than the rest of us. This is a serialized drama. If they answered everything in one episode this would be CSI: <fill in the blank>.
This entire show is about saving the world dude, hang tight and enjoy the ride. Shows like this don't come around very often.
Here's my theory on the tagline "save the cheerleader, save the world"
How has Sylar been killing these other heroes?
What caused Claire to die, even for a moment?
If you really think about it, the answer is in those questions
Sylar must need Claire's ability to regenerate. Since he only has a list of names and doesn't know everyones ability he must kill them all the same way to avoid them from regenerating.
ottomatic
Nov 21 2006, 10:16 AM
QUOTE (mandy1 @ Nov 21 2006, 09:13 AM)

Here's my theory on the tagline "save the cheerleader, save the world"
How has Sylar been killing these other heroes?
What caused Claire to die, even for a moment?
If you really think about it, the answer is in those questions
Sylar must need Claire's ability to regenerate. Since he only has a list of names and doesn't know everyones ability he must kill them all the same way to avoid them from regenerating.
WRONG... Sylar is a telekinetic, end of story.
MADCAT
Nov 21 2006, 10:09 AM
Why would everyone think there would be a huge superheroes battle in only the 9th show? Most of the heroes don?t know how to control their powers fully yet. This really got the store line moving now and the shows really going to start to take off now, which is really something concidering how awesome the show is already!
fEEdback
Nov 21 2006, 11:31 AM
QUOTE (Lego_master @ Nov 21 2006, 04:42 PM)

I suggest you just quit now.. you obviously listen to the network hype too much and will constantly be disappointed

I totally agree. Have patience my green grasshopper. If not, there's always a lot of other channels out there.
mandy1
Nov 21 2006, 01:34 PM
QUOTE (ottomatic @ Nov 21 2006, 01:16 PM)

WRONG... Sylar is a telekinetic, end of story.
How does that have anything to do with the "save the cheerleader" tagline? What does it matter if he's telekinetic...OH & BTW Congratulations you're an observant individual but not a thinker!
Robbierob
Nov 21 2006, 01:57 PM
I think some questions were answered but they cant answer them all...we gotta have suspense during the december till january hiatus of the show...but stop watching if you're that upset...I will continue to see it through
KungFuOpera
Nov 21 2006, 01:53 PM
I'm still debating whether or not they did save the cheerleader. Incredibly unlikely, but what if Jackie was the one they were supposed to save? I only say that because every single thing in Issac's paintings have still come true, no matter what Peter & Hiro have tried to do. Sylar still stood over the body of a dead cheerleader, Peter still lay shattered underneath the welcome banner, etc. The tricks are in the details -- the cheerleader wasn't Claire, and Peter healed afterwards.
In fact the only painting we haven't seen come true is Hiro & Ando both at the high school, too. But perhaps that's to come. Crazy things can happen with a time traveller.
Hyro
Nov 21 2006, 02:46 PM
There was just way to much hype for this episode for no reason. Enough with the cheerleader already, how about explaining who the Haitian dude is who supposedly gave them all their powers in the first place. The girl who can make people do whatever she tells them is way more interesting as a character anyway, I mean, you really want to know what she is all about, considering what she can do. Also, the woman with the split personality, in my opinion, is boring beyond belief. Mind control, flying, stopping time, those are super powers. Going postal because of your reflection doesn't quite do it for me. Yawn.
chervil
Nov 21 2006, 04:22 PM
I too was frustrated over the fact that I apparently did not "learn the meaning behind these words 'STC, STW'".
But the more I thought about it, the more I realized that we just may have!
Think about it. While Sylar was killing Jackie, he noticed Claire start to regenerate and realized he was killing the wrong cheerleader. If Peter had not shown up to save her (the cheerleader), then Sylar would definitely have caught Claire and killed her as well. With Claire dead, he would have disappeared and moved on to the next set of victims.
However, since Peter intervened, and they fought and fell off the building, Sylar was delayed and distracted long enough that Eden and the Haitian were able to capture him.
By saving Claire, he indirectly contributed to the capture of Sylar, thus possibly saving the world from whatever Sylar was planning to do when he had Claire's power...
Dunc
Nov 21 2006, 04:34 PM
QUOTE (Atlas @ Nov 21 2006, 05:08 PM)

Peter is just begining to understand his own power. Look how much trouble the other heros are having learning to use one power. Peter has to be able to learn how to use many different powers. That being said, I am not suprised that Peter did not open a TK can of woop-a** on Sylar. But he was able to use TK to pull Sylar over the edge and drop down onto the pavement.
You sure he didn't use hands?
QUOTE (KungFuOpera @ Nov 21 2006, 09:53 PM)

I'm still debating whether or not they did save the cheerleader. Incredibly unlikely, but what if Jackie was the one they were supposed to save? I only say that because every single thing in Issac's paintings have still come true, no matter what Peter & Hiro have tried to do. Sylar still stood over the body of a dead cheerleader, Peter still lay shattered underneath the welcome banner, etc. The tricks are in the details -- the cheerleader wasn't Claire, and Peter healed afterwards.
In fact the only painting we haven't seen come true is Hiro & Ando both at the high school, too. But perhaps that's to come. Crazy things can happen with a time traveller.
Just because there were paintings of a dead cheerleader doesn't mean that was the cheerleader to save, either. The only reason they're all obsessed with saving the cheerleader is because Hiro told them to, not because Isaac painted it so many times. It's Peter's and Isaac's mistake to assume they were painting the cheerleader who needed saving. That's what I reckon anyway. I also reckon they've probably saved the right one1 Jackie can't possibly have a hand in saving the world. Please, no.
QUOTE (Hyro @ Nov 21 2006, 10:46 PM)

... how about explaining who the Haitian dude is who supposedly gave them all their powers in the first place...
You clearly haven't fully understood the show.
Randy G.
Nov 21 2006, 04:36 PM
In the world we live in today, too many people just want instant gratification. If everything was wrapped up in a neat little package, the show would totally suck.
The story has to be stretched out, with unexplained twists & turns. This is what makes it interesting, & keeps most viewers tuning in week after week. Also, it helps to go against the grain of what they're expecting to happen. This ****** everybody off, and gets the discussions going.
I believe that a truly sucessful show, gives the viewers opportunities to flex their minds, and should evoke a whole range of emotions. Heroes definately does just that.
Dr G Thang
Nov 21 2006, 04:38 PM
QUOTE (Hordak Alpha @ Nov 21 2006, 04:39 PM)

Saving the cheerleader was only the first part of the Heroes destiny. Saving the world is the second unfulfilled part.
I'm guessing Claire had to be saved because the whole saving the world thing is going to require each and every member of the team to pull it off.
The lack of superpowered fighting did disappoint me but at least we got a little telekinetic battle action even if it was a very piddly amount. I think the Heroes writers are afraid to give us decent superpower fight scenes for unknown reasons. The character plot development is great and all but the show needs some actual conflict scenes that don't take a minute and a half to resolve. Even if the fight scene could have been an actual full five minutes I would have been happy.
I agree with you totally on the fight scene, love the show and concept, just read from Tim Kring's blog a bit ago that they dont have the big budget to do special effects like a $200 million movie can. It's obvious, but I'd like to see a better showdown between Sylar and Peter than a few locker panels and the 2 falling off a rooftop..what I'd really like is for Peter to be near all the Heroes at once when Sylar attacks. I think for now the show is trying to build up the characters and bring us to the group interactions and uses of their powers for X-Men like quests.
QUOTE (chervil @ Nov 22 2006, 12:22 AM)

I too was frustrated over the fact that I apparently did not "learn the meaning behind these words 'STC, STW'".
But the more I thought about it, the more I realized that we just may have!
Think about it. While Sylar was killing Jackie, he noticed Claire start to regenerate and realized he was killing the wrong cheerleader. If Peter had not shown up to save her (the cheerleader), then Sylar would definitely have caught Claire and killed her as well. With Claire dead, he would have disappeared and moved on to the next set of victims.
However, since Peter intervened, and they fought and fell off the building, Sylar was delayed and distracted long enough that Eden and the Haitian were able to capture him.
By saving Claire, he indirectly contributed to the capture of Sylar, thus possibly saving the world from whatever Sylar was planning to do when he had Claire's power...
I dont think that stopped Sylar at all. In fact, my guess is he is going to escape and somehow find Ted Sprague for that big explosion that goes down. A dude like Sylar's character won't just be put in a prison cell like the villains in Batman movies.
It sounds like the coming episodes may be a letdown in that they are more character development, less action, except for maybe a showdown with Sylar and Hiro. The fact that Hiro didn't return to his friend or to help Peter is the big mystery..
Aragorn2001
Nov 22 2006, 02:34 PM
I believe that by saving Claire, she will save the world in the future. Because only she has the powers to withstand and not get killed by the nuclear bomb.
Twilight Jack
Nov 22 2006, 03:25 PM
As a point of interest, Peter's intervention DID alter the future as predicted in one of Isaac's paintings. The one of the cheerleader cowering on the stairs with Sylar's shadow looming: Peter was not in that picture. Yet in real life, Peter arrived at Claire before Sylar's shadow was even really cast. He helped her to her feet and kept her running, then faced down Sylar.
In the painting, it's just Claire and Sylar's shadow. When it really happened, Peter intervened. Isaac's foreseen futures can be averted.
Toc Rat
Nov 22 2006, 03:29 PM
QUOTE (Hyro @ Nov 21 2006, 08:35 AM)

I enjoyed this episode as much as any other, but I felt ripped off by all the misleading hype. I was expecting to see the explanation of how saving the cheerleader would save the world, but it turns out I was just getting jerked around by the network hype machine. If they keep lying in the promos about what the upcoming episodes are about, I'm going to stop watching the show just on principle.
You know, with the exception of that part about not watching the show, I said much the same thing on another thread. The previews quite clearly said "The meaning of what you have been hearing all season will be revealed, Save the Cheerleader, Save the world" Well I'm still waiting for how saving her also saved the world. It is possible that I missed something in the episode but I doubt that. If anyone does know of something in it that explains how saving her saved the world, please enlighten me.
This is a "lo-fi" version of our main content. To view the full version with more information, formatting and images, please
click here.