This episode was so laughingly bad I actually am going to have to stop watching to preserve my self respect.

Aside from the normal "nothing really much happens" brilliant writing style (at the end of last episode, we find that Hiro has gone back in time 6 months to save Charlie and appears in a birthday photo...at the end of this episode, we see that Hiro has gone back in time 6 months to save Charlie and appear in a birthday photo...fantastic!), this one really takes the cake for bad writing.

The name of the show is HEROES. As in, people who act in an admirable and brave manner to save others.

Look Claire! One of your fellow students is getting her friggin' head cut open.

Response: She ran away.

Look, here comes Peter! He comes face to face with what had heretofore been a faceless enemy, and, since he takes his powers from proximity, could be expected to fight to SAVE THE CHEERLEADER. Then, he got hit by some locker doors.

Response: He bravely ran away.

Gads, what a pathetic lot.

Prediction: show tanks quickly after promising start.

Yeah, it's always bad in stories when the characters act realistic and human.

Agreed, LovelyHue.
This show tanking? puh-lease.

It wasn't that bad.

For some reason, I get the strange feeling that people would've been happier had both Claire and Peter died, and the world ended.

see ya...take care...buh bye now

Well I am not gonna bother trying to convince ya to stick around but in defence of Heroes I have a few words.

Look, the FUTURE Heroes dont really KNOW they ARE heroes yet. They are just getting use to the friggin powers as it is! So are you telling me if you got this new found freaky power, you would suddenly become RAMBO? Doubt it.

My point is, this stays more realistic (in a fantasy way LOL)! These NORMAL people who never had to fight super villians before MIGHT be just a hair FREAKED OUT so far. I am happy the writers dont make the charactors dive right into total and absolute bravery cuz that would have been cheesey.

Ok, Claire THE TEENAGER CHEERLEADER might be able to regenerate but how does she STOP this madman from killing the other cheerleader? COME ON! Regeneration is far from stuper strength! Whats she gonna do with that?

Peter, the Hospise nurse...yah thats real rambo personality. NOT. Might take him time to get it together too ya know.

Sorry for the sarcasm, but give the writers SOME credit here! Would you really feel satified if all these charactors suddenly grew (pardon the lauguage) balls of steel out of nowhere?

Faithful Hero fan,

Teamlena

Peter's objective was to save Claire. So running away is in order. To them the bad guy was Sylar and quite threatening. Claire sees him splatter her rival and then crush her up against a wall.

Both our "heroes" are untrained combatants. Both do not fully understand their powers. Running away makes perfect sense to me. In the real world it takes a lot of training to run toward danger. Granted this is a TV show, but I'm going to cut these guys some slack until they get a good grip on what they can do and what they are up against.

WAY BETTER PUT THEN MINE! THANKS!

Just... Just stop watching this show, original poster. And believe me, the show won't tank. How many people do you think share your holy opinion and wouldn't watch a TV show because its characters weren't heroic enough for you?

Let's see. Claire, tryies to get Jackie to leave the locker room, showing some impressive intuition and then tries to stop Sylar from going after Jackie. She just fails and is knocked into the lockers- where she is pretty seriously injured. She can't stop Sylar because she is bust regenerating. But she had tried. Seems decently heroic.

No onto Peter. Goes to the HS to "Save the cheerleader" DESPITE the fact that the painting showed him that he was going to die. Remember, he didn't know that the cheerleader would be able to lend him some regenative powers, he thought he might actually die and went anyway. That is the crux of being heroic. As to his running away, do you really think he should have been able to use Sylar's powers as well as Sylar with no training in fiughting skills, much less Sylar's particular powers? Come on now. Still, after he was certain Claire would be safe (save the cheerleader), he tried to take Sylar out by jumping off the building- not his fault that Sylar didn't get hurt enough. I see nothing in these two characters that was not heroic.

My, my, SOMEONES ignorant *coughyoucough*... would you honestly stand there if someone got their skull sliced open without the person using any cutting tools at all? if someone threw a locker at u without using any visible physical force, what would you do? pick up a locker and try to hit them back? I THINK NOT!

and about that "I'm going to stop watching this show to preserve my self respect," if you want some load of crap like xmen with a lot of things blowing up and having no real meaning behind it, by all means go ahead!
I'm pretty sure the show wont miss you.

I love the show, and didn't have a problem with this episode at all. But KevinV12000's comments do raise an interesting point. I do wonder why Peter wasn't channeling Sylar's power(s)? Can Sylar shield it? Or is some type of trust necessary between the "special" and the peter for peter to borrow it? Or did Peter borrow it but not know how to use it? Not sure what the answer is, but I wasn't even asking the question til I read the rant that startted this topic.

I think i feel the same as a lot of the people posting here. Don't Like it Don't watch.

Now correct me if I'm wrong, and know you will, but Claire try to get Sylar to let go Jackie. And for her efforts he through her across the room and against the wall with enough force to seriously mess up her face, arms, legs and other part as well. If it weren't for her ability she would have been dead. And if I were in that situation and realized there was nothing I could do, I'd run to find help too.

It's a reasonable question. My guess is that Peter simply didn't know how to use the powers (because I think Peter will when the Heros defeat Sylar at the end of the show).

Sigh..fanbois. What can you do?

Okay, folks, look: fiction may be made up and super heroes may not really exist, but in order for a story to work it has to take itself seriously by its assumed premise or it becomes quickly apparent that there is no real story that is anything other than the writer's whim. If that is the case, whether or not the audience can articulate that, the audience will begin to lose the connection with the story.

Set aside your feelings for the show for a minute and consider the following:

1) Charlie was murdered. What happens when a young women is murdered in a restaurant during business hours? You don't have to be a police officer to know that whatever the answer to that question may be it's not "one of the witnesses will completely disappear without anyone raising a stink about it and, after the mop guy picks up the blood, the diner will re-open for business as usual, which is a good thing because this Japanese guy who was here when Charlie was killed is apparently going to drink coffee here for two days and nights."

2) Mohinder has a decision to make. Sure, the entire plot to date surrounds "saving the cheerleader", so let's make 35 minutes of the show a detailed analysis of his decision. Considering we already knew what the decision was going to be (what did you think? That this guy who has been a main character from day one was going to be written off the show in episode nine?) this is beyond sadistic.

3) Coincidences. See Hiro just happen to be the only guy in the Las Vegas area who sees Nathan fly and land. See Hiro arrive at the only restaurant in Texas with a waitress with super-powers. See audience member roll his eyes at improbability of it all.

4) The Cheerleader. No, not our Claire. The Ladyy one. C'mon. Admit it. She was over the top stereotype. Over.The.Top. It was actually like watching a traffic accident, you just couldn't stop watching.

5) Sylar as Michael Myers. Love the slow walk and just standing there while hunting his prey. Not cliche or stereotype at all.

6) Ketchup Blood. Did you see the fake blood on Claire at the end of this episode? I mean, we just finished Halloween and I saw better fake blood jobs done by moms who did their costumes 3 minutes before taking the kids trick or treating.

On and on and on. It sucks, guys. Sorry. They had a chance and they blew it.

ok so, first off. thesepeople are all pulled together by the unseeeable forces of destiny. so it makes complete sense that hiro and ando would go to the only diner with a waitress that has super powers. oh and, that nathan would land in front of the diner that hiro happened to be in. and that hiro and ando 'happened" to be at the poker game where those guys got murdered, and ando jsuthappened to have a favorite internet girl who just happened to have super powers. and she just happened to marry a guy with super powers. IT'S CALLED A PLOT DEVICE! JEEZZ PEOPLE READ FREAKING COMICS OK. UNBELEIVABLE. i's like none of you have ever read xmen or anyhting.
if you think it sucks, go somewhere else.. post somewhere else and stop watching, we don't care what you think.

Just stop watching.

Enjoy 'Two And A Half Men.'

1) Agree with you there. It was highly unrealistic but I'm willing to swallow it.

2) Um? They did not spend 35 minutes on him. Maybe more like 10. And that boy will probably significant later on, so it's not like it was all unnecessary character development. In fact, it wasn't the decision that he came to that was ultimately important - it was that his character finally stopped being wishy-washy. Now we have a Mohinder with clear goals. Also, finding the list was so monumental that it had to be drawn out...otherwise it would be far too easy.

3) Yeah, let's beat up a show for unlikely coincidences when that show also has tons of references to destiny.

4) I agree that the writing for her was bad but I think you'd be surprised. There are people out there like that and I've known a few.

5) First off. Why would he run? He's never had to doubt his ability to catch his 'prey' in the past.

6) Just plain don't agree, sorry.

By the way, I'm a girl.

HEHEHEHEHEHEHEHE

Ok ok...lets move on here. Obviously this guy is NOT going to watch this show anymore, only has bad opinions of the show making me feel he doesnt want a conversation but rather BE A TROLL...

No feeding trolls peeps, lets just move on! LOL

Teamlena

The show isn't about instant gratification. That's why all of the answers aren't layed out in front of you. No disrespect intended, but if you lack the patience to follow a weekly series, might we suggest you just watch a movie. That way, everything is neatly wrapped up for you in a short period of time.


(But I bet he watches anyway. )

Just a reply to your comment about Ando drinking coffee at the cafe for 2 days/nights. There is nothing to indicate that it has been more than one day in the show timeline. Just because the show was on 2 nights in real life, doesn't mean it translates minute by minute show life. I was under the impression everything was happening on the same day. Sure, they jumped around to different characters, but I think there was alot of redundant time going on.

What a horrible troll =P

I could have done better =/

I may not agree with him, but a lot of what he says is TRUE and kinda FUNNY, I LOL at the part about HIRO...that was silly,

I agree the plots have to be developed but it is taking a little bit long..they could have at least did 3-4 minutes of Hiro being in the past with Charlie or something..

I don't like the fact that everytime they start the show, it says the same silly corny line, "PEOPLE FROM AROUND THE GLOBE STARTED.."

then gives a description of all the powers...YET AGAIN..that's 2 minutes wasted.

I love Heroes and I won't miss an episode, but they can speed it up some, I was let down at the Giant build up of saving Claire and the final scene lasted 4 or 5 minutes.

Didn't Claire jump on Sylar to try and save Jackie only to get her arse crushed. She ran when she needed to run. Peter ran to save Claire. Maybe I saw a different episode though cause I could have sworn he then told her to go to the crowd at the game while he stayed back and did what he could against Sylar. Not to mention he went there knowing he was supposed to die. Stood there and did in fact die even if it was a brief death. I think your view on what happened is a tad askew.

I do wish the show would move faster but you have to realize that was episode 9 of a 23 episode season. There is a lot more to go unforunately. I think your a little off base with your other stuff too. Jackie being over the top. I guess you can say that but if you have never met a Ladyy high school cheerleader like her then I guess you never went to high school.

The police scene at the diner. I can see what you are saying but we really don't know if she was killed that day like before hence the memorial already being up. Because of Hiro she may have been killed before then. Plus, some cops are just ******. Dealt with them. Not all I would like to point out. So who knows how they would do things. Especially small town cops.

Mohinder was all about character development. I really don't understand your point. I guess you don't like to watch a story.

As for Sylar and the blood. Sylar has many powers. If he can throw locker doors why can't he move like that. The blood wasn't that bad. I think your being really picky with a lot of this stuff.

"Gee I wish this show was as perfect as I am..I should be writing it and directing it..If only they'd let me, I could make it so much better. How much you wanna bet I can throw a football over dem mountains!?"

I was dissapointed that Peter didn't mimic Sylar's power but after I thought about it it's not that big a deal..Why should I expect Peter to instantly understand another hero's powers much less be able to wield them properly? Maybe there is a process he hasn't yet learned to control in order to use the others power. That being said, it would have been cool if maybe a locker door had suspended and dropped in front of him matrix-style, with a surprised look on his face.

Amen
He is just trolling.

You sir are not the right audience for this show.

Go watch Stupido 60 or General Hospital or something.

Yeah. On the official fan board (no, NBC doesn't have all this one has). What a surprise. But you seem to care or else you would just leave without saying something.


I admit I can't articulate that...huh?


Will do.


Hiro disappearing right in the middle of the diner was a huge "wtf" moment, I agree. I'd like to think they just didn't notice he was around, but that's unlikely. They just went past the fact. You are right.
Ando still being at the diner, even if it was the same day, is pretty unlikely, as well. I have to agree. This is silly. But I think the show has been silly before. Don't tell me you didn't notice?


Yes, true, we knew. But we have to see why Mohinder starts to know what path he has to take. Especially because there is a BUTTLOAD of clues in every other scene. I guess if you are not looking for that you will get bored. But it's there and it's definitely not just boring character development.


The improbability is what takes away the boring factors for you. I guess you will have to decide...do you want to wait ages for them to meet or do you want it quickly at the expense of likeliness of their meeting? I prefer the latter. Especially, becaus e this show IS goofy. Not denying that. But it's just the right balance if you ask me.


Hell yeah. She was written to be killed off. That was painfully obvious from the start (at least of this episode). No argument there. She was just a diversion, nothing more. She was perfect for taking the moment of fame and receiving the bad karma for it.
I wonder...did you ever think that Mohinder/Eden was more than a plot device in the first couple episodes? Back then you could have made the same points. Just interested to hear if you think that was ok or not.


Geez, a telekinetic who needs to run? That kind of defeats the point. And again, it's not like this show wasn't cheesy from the get-go or something. It must have hit you by complete surprise.


I honestly have to say I didn't pay that close attention. Nor have I ever been smeared with real blood or seen one who was. I will check.


I say, Heroes is silly, cheesy, goofy, wacky and random on the surface, but there's something underneath that is making the rest of it work. Honest opinion. I'm not blind to the flaws - and you didn't even got to those - but the positive outweighs the rather standard-procedure stuff.

Claire didn't run away. She jumped on Sylar and got smashed into a brick wall for her trouble.

Actually, she died. If that isn't an heroic act (trying to save someone that hates you) I don't know what is.

You forget that these are supposed to be real people with extraordinary powers. Not superheroes from your comic book collection. Ask yourself what you might do standing in front of a barrage of flying locker doors.

Uh, when Jackie first got grabbed, she didnt' run away, she tried to help, she was pulling on SYlar's arm.

Response: He telekinetically flung her against a wall so hard that it broke her face and arm. She isn't anywhere close to as strong as Sylar was. She didn't run until Jackie told her to run.

When Peter told her to run she didn't want to leave him behind.

Claire isn't a coward.



Peter needs to know what the powers are available to him before he can use them well. The first indication that Sylar was telekinetic was when locker doors started flying at his head.

Even so he used the part of Sylar's power that he was mimicking and deflected most of them away. He wans't confidnet enough to fight a powerful super who knows what powers he has when he only has a few seconds. He ran to make sure Claire got away and because the hall was filled with things Sylar could turn into lethal projectiles.

Not cowardice, a tactical retreat.

He insisted that Claire run away and stay near people even though he'd have to face Sylar alone. When Sylar appeared next to him, he deliberately threw them both off the roof, knowing that would kill him.

That's not cowardice, that's heroic bravery.

I was going to dignify this with a response, but in order to preserve my self respect I won't.

Don't watch. Don't post. Easy peasy.

Everything that the original poster moaned about happening has to happen, otherwise the storyline will not progress.

Of course Claire and Peter ran away, he went to save her, not endanger both of their lives to fight a seemingly invincible opponent.

They aren't heroes yet, they have to learn to become heroes.

If Hiro had not met Claire, then he would not need to go save her, and half of episode 10 would not happen. Coincidences help the show progress.

They had their chance and blew it in your opinion. The shows ratings are increasing every week, which suggests it might actually last. I think you have pretty much set in stone your position of an outcast of this forum, please do not post here again.

Not say stuff that's absolutely wrong?
Yes. But you're forgetting that giving someone superpowers doesn't instantly make them a superhero. Think about Peter Parker for example.

Hiro has quite clearly changed the timeline. Temporal Ripple Effect could explain why HRG still has a picture of Charlie as a victim despite her not being one anymore.

Ando has been there less than a day, he's hanging around waiting for Hiro.
It wasn't 35 minutes of the show (which would mean only 7 minutes of anything else) it was roughly 1/3 of the show IIRC. And I liked it as character development and introduction of the source of the map.
See the preamble to each show talk about fate. Realise that in a fatalistic story coincidences are expected. Learn to STFU.
Mmm, she wasn't that over-the-top. I've met people worse than her who are more popular. Of course, those are guys, but that's just 'cause I went to a boy's school.

Anyone, with any power, other than Claire or Peter, would have been dead after he used his TK on them the first time.I watch original Dr. Who.

I don't give about special effects.

Just because he said he didn't like it? Now, that's just as bad if you tell him to never post again...

Not that he's going to answer. He's long gone, probably just reading and chuckling about the responses.

Kingreaper:

Charlie is dead. There was the shrine at the diner and she's definitely gone. Everything Hiro changed has changed already or it won't. I think that's why the theory in my signature is pretty lame. It's completely proven, already.

You make it sound like taking out Sylar will be the end of Heroes. Just because one threat is eliminated, doesn't mean that a flood of new ones won't emerge. Unlike LOST, where getting off the island is conceivably the end of the series, Heroes has plenty of potential for long life after the elimination of the original threat.

ETA: I am, by the way, a huge LOST fan -- played the Experience and everything. I'm not looking forward to its end, but the creators have already stated there's going to be one.

Seriously though, Claire couldn't take on a typical rapist jock, what could she do against potentially the most dangerous being on the planet?

And though brave as heck, Peter is a hospice nurse, who only had the power to live through a severe a** whooping. Any other powers he may have had access to he would have been ignorant to. And by the time the locker door was flying at him he probably didn't have alot of time to think "Ah ha! Telekinisis!". Rather "Holy #@#$#@ that is going to hurt!"

I don't fault the characters for running away. I would have done the same thing AND ruined a good pair of undershorts. If you want "Halt for justice villain!" then watch some Superman.

Feeding trolls is serious business. Much like the internet. We all know that his reasoning is flawed and ignores what actually happened in favor of focusing on the fact that they ultimately get away from Sylar.

It's odd, but when I saw the response of the diner staff, I was relieved, because I initially assumed it meant Hiro was successful in saving Charlie. Real quick: A few years back, one of my co-workers was shot in the face. That was pretty traumatic, but I'm guessing not nearly as traumatic as discovering that one of your co-workers had her skull mysteriously sawed in half about 10 feet away from you. We spent the next few days in various stages of shock and grief, working with the local cops who were investigating the murder. We did not immediately start gathering photos to make a cutesy collage celebrating happy events in his life.
The cops who told Hiro and Ando not to go anywhere don't seem to have interviewed Ando yet, and no one seems concerned that the last person to talk to Charlie before her murder has mysteriously vanished. I don't think anyone in that diner besides Ando has acted like they're in the middle of a crime scene since Hiro disappeared. It's strange. Almost like a clue. I loved this episode.

I'm wondering what job you have that makes Claire and Peter seem cowardly to you. I'm assuming you're a firefighter in some sort of experimental unit that thinks using protective gear is totally sissy, but if it's something even more awesome, please let me know!

By the way, posting about XMEN is incorrect also to a point. Magneto didn't start forming a group for over 20 years. Charles also took years after learning about their power to form a school for gifted children. Why? because the way they were treated when people learned what they could do.
Magneto and Charles created the school and all its technology and then they had a disagreement, Magneto left the school and took students with him that believed the same way as he did. This took years also.
Second the school is made so that the children can learn how to use their powers effectively. So when the Xmen goes against somebody they know what they could do already and use it to the fullest.
Now what if they started the storyline when Charles and Magneto made the school. The school took years to develope and then months to find students and funding. Would it still be as action pact as later or the same as this show. They do have flash back to different events, why?, because they want it to flow quickly and want small reference to the charectors past and what could had happened if it wasn't for the school. The producers of this show could have just as easily made the same show with xmen instead of unknown heroes. I also saw other shows with superheroes and they also had the people already learned how to use the powers with same flashback to show how they developed their powers and get together.
I might be wrong but this is only the second show that started when they just found out about their powers and decided to use them for good. The other one is smallville which might be why heroes is out now, since smallville seems to be working but that is about 1 superhuman and a lot of people without powers he needs to save. Smallville is now leading to the justice league but it didn't do a complete storyline about how each charector decided to be superfriends.
No just Clark Kent, farmer, lost father, which I thought Johnathan lived in the comics, inlove with lana but dating others, saving people so cant have a life, finds out about where he came from and from there how to use his powers to save the world. Found out that he couldn't do it all by himself so he joined a group of heroes who wanted to make a differece. Is that the story you prefer.

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