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Amantis
it was funny he named himself after a watch company. Seems kinda cheesy.
heroewatch
QUOTE (Amantis @ Nov 27 2006, 10:30 PM) *
it was funny he named himself after a watch company. Seems kinda cheesy.


I can see how it's kinda cheesy but I didnt' mind. Very appropriate really and who is is named Sylar, a very unusual name and a great name for him.
Dragonfire
It makes sense if you think about it... He wanted a name people would know, and the first proper name he found was Sylar.

I just think it's way too ironic that his name is Gabriel, as in the Bible Gabriel is the Archangel and thus good, and then Sylar turns evil...
commongiga
can anyone elaborate on the role of Gabriel in the Bible? It's definitely intentional.
kaizen
Its not too unusual. I know someone with the last name Sylar. never thought twice about it, until this show came along.
Amantis
QUOTE (Dragonfire @ Nov 27 2006, 09:33 PM) *
It makes sense if you think about it... He wanted a name people would know, and the first proper name he found was Sylar.

I just think it's way too ironic that his name is Gabriel, as in the Bible Gabriel is the Archangel and thus good, and then Sylar turns evil...


What if that name is a forshadowing? Mabey Sylar turn out good, or just confused or somthing. Most of us thought Mr. Bennet was bad untill recently (and now I think hes bad again because apperently he never started an organization,
Churesh told him about the powers)
johncarllos
^^^ Wrongo.
How did HRG and the Haitian have Eden at the same thime that he went to NY.

The organization had been around for a while, and Suresh's work was unnoticed because he'd been in INDIA.
Amantis
Okay. I was just speculating. So Does anyone know anything about Gabriel in the bible? I never read it.
aulzon
uh im not a christian but Gabriel is an archangel. He was the archangel that told Mary she would have jesus.
fidorulz
QUOTE (commongiga @ Nov 27 2006, 10:34 PM) *
can anyone elaborate on the role of Gabriel in the Bible? It's definitely intentional.



From wiki

In Biblical tradition, he is sometimes regarded as the angel of death, the prince of fire and thunder, but more frequently as one of God's chief messengers

also

Gabriel in angelology and the occult

Gabriel is also variously identified as the angel of annunciation, resurrection, mercy, vengeance, death, and revelation. Furthermore, the Archangel has also been identified in various sources to be one of the 7 Archangels who stand in the presence of God; he is also claimed variously to be a tafsarim (chief angelic prince) of the Cherub, Virtue, Power, Archangel, and Angel celestial orders.

The Book of Enoch places the Archangel Gabriel as The Left Hand of God, or seated on the left side of God's throne with Metatron. Gabriel in Enoch is the ruler of the Cherubim surrounding the throne of the Almighty.

Would be interesting if this was all around HRG. HRG being God and his 7 archangels being

1-Sylar
2-Eden
3-Haitian
4-Clair (should be easy to get her to do his bidding)
5-Isaac
6-Matt (he has been marked)
7-Ted (he has been marked also)

There are many references in the bible to the mark of god or the mark of the beast so this may explain the marks we see on some of the characters
Amantis
QUOTE (fidorulz @ Nov 27 2006, 10:02 PM) *
From wiki

In Biblical tradition, he is sometimes regarded as the angel of death, the prince of fire and thunder, but more frequently as one of God's chief messengers

also

Gabriel in angelology and the occult

Gabriel is also variously identified as the angel of annunciation, resurrection, mercy, vengeance, death, and revelation. Furthermore, the Archangel has also been identified in various sources to be one of the 7 Archangels who stand in the presence of God; he is also claimed variously to be a tafsarim (chief angelic prince) of the Cherub, Virtue, Power, Archangel, and Angel celestial orders.

The Book of Enoch places the Archangel Gabriel as The Left Hand of God, or seated on the left side of God's throne with Metatron. Gabriel in Enoch is the ruler of the Cherubim surrounding the throne of the Almighty.

Would be interesting if this was all around HRG. HRG being God and his 7 archangels being

1-Sylar
2-Eden
3-Haitian
4-Clair (should be easy to get her to do his bidding)
5-Isaac
6-Matt (he has been marked)
7-Ted (he has been marked also)

There are many references in the bible to the mark of god or the mark of the beast so this may explain the marks we see on some of the characters

Yeah, that seems to fit. Could someone find out what the other angels represent? (i.e. angel of annunciation, resurrection, mercy, vengeance, death, and revelation) and mabey we could match them up, If Sylar realy is like we have seen him so far, then that one fits him pretty well.
fidorulz
QUOTE (Amantis @ Nov 27 2006, 11:15 PM) *
Yeah, that seems to fit. Could someone find out what the other angels represent? (i.e. angel of annunciation, resurrection, mercy, vengeance, death, and revelation) and mabey we could match them up, If Sylar realy is like we have seen him so far, then that one fits him pretty well.


From wiki and other places

Michael-He is the angel of forbearance and mercy.Chief angel, deliverer of the faithful, tutelary prince of Israel. An angel who grants miracles, fosters mercy, repentance, truth, sanctification, blessing, immortality, patience and love to human-kind. This archangel is protective of those who are just and good. Angel of insomnia. He strengthens our spirits in difficult times. Pray to Michael for these gifts and virtues.

Gabriel-we know

Raphael-angel of science and knowledge, as well as the preceptor angel of Isaac. Other titles attributed to Raphael include the angel of prayer, love, joy, light, as well as the guardian of both the Tree of Life and of humanity. Golden vial of balm. One of the princes of the presence and regent of the sun. This archangel is extremely healing to all living beings. Raphael grants joy, healing, love, miracles and grace. He inspires humankind to pray and is also protective of travelers, guarding and guiding those who take outward or inward journeys. Raphael also grants courage and encourages scientific breakthroughs and knowledge in general.

Uriel (=Phanuel)-Angel of Death,Repentance,Sunday,Angel of Poetry,angel of Mars.A patron angel of literature and music, Uriel bestows upon us the gift of creative fire, as well as the power of prophecy. We appeal to him for foresight into the future and for help in developing our psychic abilities. Uriel is an angel of transformation, archangel of salvation, regent of the sun, overseer of Tartarus, and is the spirit of ministration and peace. He helps turn our worst disappointments into our greatest blessings. He is one of the angels of chance, (as in gambling), emergencies, judgment, scroll.

Interesting note-Possibly Uriel's highest position is that of an Angel of Presence, Prince of Presence, Angel of the Face, Angel of Sanctification, Angel of Glory. A Prince of the Presence is an angel who is allowed to enter the presence of God if HRG

Barachiel-Archangel Barachiel is the angel of God’s blessings.Guardian and Provider of the Children of God ruling over Saturday. An Archangel assigned by God to keep watch over His adopted children, taking care that He and the Choirs of Angels assigned to the task guard these transformated souls in all their ways, bearing them up in their hands, "lest they dash their feet against the stone on their way to their heavenly home.

Seatiel-Archangel of Worship and Contemplation and Thursday. Archangel Sealtiel stands before God with incenser in hand in unceasing adoration of the Most Holy Trinity. His Angelic purity transforms love and worship which we mortals give to God. The supposed Archangel who stopped Abraham from killing his son Isaac as a sacrifice

Jehudiel-AKA Jehudiel the Penitence, Ruler of the movement of the celestial spheres.
Azrael
From Wiki -- "Gabriel's primary tasks are to bring messages from God to His messengers and to accompany the angel Azrael ("Angel of Death") to take the soul of a person who dies with ablution."

"Ablution may refer to the practice of removing sins, diseases or earthly defilements through the use of ritual washing, or the practice of using ritual washing as one part of a ceremony to remove sin or disease."

Pretty dead on description of Sylar.
fidorulz
QUOTE (Azrael @ Nov 28 2006, 10:34 AM) *
From Wiki -- "Gabriel's primary tasks are to bring messages from God to His messengers and to accompany the angel Azrael ("Angel of Death") to take the soul of a person who dies with ablution."

"Ablution may refer to the practice of removing sins, diseases or earthly defilements through the use of ritual washing, or the practice of using ritual washing as one part of a ceremony to remove sin or disease."

Pretty dead on description of Sylar.


Yes but im curious if this comes out to be true who the other 6 may be
hempingway
You forgot Jessica... She's been marked as well...
clamzoopa
doesn't gabriel have another name? with all this talk, it's driving me nuts that i can't remember
fidorulz
QUOTE (hempingway @ Nov 28 2006, 11:00 AM) *
You forgot Jessica... She's been marked as well...


But her mark is different from Matt and Ted which leads me to the mark of God mark of the devil thing.

Also hers is on her back while theirs is on their necks.

Which leads me to the same God/Devil mark thing since both are also location specific.

God is on the forhead (neck is close lol)
Devil is on the hand (body much like Jessica)

QUOTE (clamzoopa @ Nov 28 2006, 11:06 AM) *
doesn't gabriel have another name? with all this talk, it's driving me nuts that i can't remember


Sylar or the angel?
Sir_Brizz
QUOTE (clamzoopa @ Nov 28 2006, 09:06 AM) *
doesn't gabriel have another name? with all this talk, it's driving me nuts that i can't remember

Some religions believe he is Noah.
Celumnaz
Paul E. Sylar?

What I wonder is, why tell someone a fake name just before you kill them? What does it matter? They're dead. Unless his audience is himself?
fidorulz
QUOTE (Celumnaz @ Nov 28 2006, 03:57 PM) *
Paul E. Sylar?

What I wonder is, why tell someone a fake name just before you kill them? What does it matter? They're dead. Unless his audience is himself?


Dont think he knew he was going to kill him at first untill he saw his powers

if sylar is a fake name then where did the paul sylar name come from other then the newspaper clipping.

Unless gab photoshoped it to make himself think that was his real name
Islington
Just some guesses as to who the other biblical angels may relate to, if this is even a real connection at all. It seems plausible however, after reading the description from above...ill just post who I think the related heroes are in HGRs little group, and explain a little bit why.

Michael-He is the angel of forbearance and mercy.Chief angel, deliverer of the faithful, tutelary prince of Israel. An angel who grants miracles, fosters mercy, repentance, truth, sanctification, blessing, immortality, patience and love to human-kind. This archangel is protective of those who are just and good. Angel of insomnia. He strengthens our spirits in difficult times. Pray to Michael for these gifts and virtues.

Gabriel-we know as Sylar. The only hole in this biblical relation is the fact that I don't think Sylar will want to cooperate, nor will HRG want someone who tried to kill his daughter on his "Team." They want to bring him down. Still, its an interesting connection.

Raphael-angel of science and knowledge, as well as the preceptor angel of Isaac. This archangel is extremely healing to all living beings. Raphael grants joy, healing, love, miracles and grace. He inspires humankind to pray and is also protective of travelers, guarding and guiding those who take outward or inward journeys. Raphael also grants courage and encourages scientific breakthroughs and knowledge in general.

This could easily be either Claire or Mohinder. The fact that he healing makes me think claire, but the fact that he inpires humankind and guides those who are on journeys, makes me think Mohinder. Someone who guides and nutures powers, and strongly emphasises scientific discoveries. I think Mohinder is the best fit there. The relation to Isaac I feel is important too.

Uriel (=Phanuel)-he power of prophecy. We appeal to him for foresight into the future and for help in developing our psychic abilities.

[b] Isaac is a clear fit


Barachiel-Archangel Barachiel is the angel of God?s blessings.Guardian and Provider of the Children of God ruling over Saturday. An Archangel assigned by God to keep watch over His adopted children, taking care that He and the Choirs of Angels assigned to the task guard these transformated souls in all their ways, bearing them up in their hands, "lest they dash their feet against the stone on their way to their heavenly home.

Seems to be HRG himself. Hes a protector, someone who again nurtures and watches over his ADOPTED children. I think thats a good fit.

Seatiel-Archangel of Worship and Contemplation and Thursday. Archangel Sealtiel stands before God with incenser in hand in unceasing adoration of the Most Holy Trinity. His Angelic purity transforms love and worship which we mortals give to God. The supposed Archangel who stopped Abraham from killing his son Isaac as a sacrifice

Transforms love and worship, and brings about admiration...Eden seems to fit this description

Jehudiel-AKA Jehudiel the Penitence, Ruler of the movement of the celestial spheres.

No idea about this...but we shall see, not all of them have to relate, could somehow relate to The Haitian

I think all of these overall are a good fit, and I think support the idea that perhaps HRG and co. are developed based on these biblical figures. Then again, could just be a nice coincidence, who knows?
fidorulz
QUOTE (Islington @ Nov 28 2006, 05:30 PM) *
Just some guesses as to who the other biblical angels may relate to, if this is even a real connection at all. It seems plausible however, after reading the description from above...ill just post who I think the related heroes are in HGRs little group, and explain a little bit why.

Michael-He is the angel of forbearance and mercy.Chief angel, deliverer of the faithful, tutelary prince of Israel. An angel who grants miracles, fosters mercy, repentance, truth, sanctification, blessing, immortality, patience and love to human-kind. This archangel is protective of those who are just and good. Angel of insomnia. He strengthens our spirits in difficult times. Pray to Michael for these gifts and virtues.

Gabriel-we know as Sylar. The only hole in this biblical relation is the fact that I don't think Sylar will want to cooperate, nor will HRG want someone who tried to kill his daughter on his "Team." They want to bring him down. Still, its an interesting connection.

Raphael-angel of science and knowledge, as well as the preceptor angel of Isaac. This archangel is extremely healing to all living beings. Raphael grants joy, healing, love, miracles and grace. He inspires humankind to pray and is also protective of travelers, guarding and guiding those who take outward or inward journeys. Raphael also grants courage and encourages scientific breakthroughs and knowledge in general.

This could easily be either Claire or Mohinder. The fact that he healing makes me think claire, but the fact that he inpires humankind and guides those who are on journeys, makes me think Mohinder. Someone who guides and nutures powers, and strongly emphasises scientific discoveries. I think Mohinder is the best fit there. The relation to Isaac I feel is important too.

Uriel (=Phanuel)-he power of prophecy. We appeal to him for foresight into the future and for help in developing our psychic abilities.

[b] Isaac is a clear fit


Barachiel-Archangel Barachiel is the angel of God?s blessings.Guardian and Provider of the Children of God ruling over Saturday. An Archangel assigned by God to keep watch over His adopted children, taking care that He and the Choirs of Angels assigned to the task guard these transformated souls in all their ways, bearing them up in their hands, "lest they dash their feet against the stone on their way to their heavenly home.

Seems to be HRG himself. Hes a protector, someone who again nurtures and watches over his ADOPTED children. I think thats a good fit.

Seatiel-Archangel of Worship and Contemplation and Thursday. Archangel Sealtiel stands before God with incenser in hand in unceasing adoration of the Most Holy Trinity. His Angelic purity transforms love and worship which we mortals give to God. The supposed Archangel who stopped Abraham from killing his son Isaac as a sacrifice

Transforms love and worship, and brings about admiration...Eden seems to fit this description

Jehudiel-AKA Jehudiel the Penitence, Ruler of the movement of the celestial spheres.

No idea about this...but we shall see, not all of them have to relate, could somehow relate to The Haitian

I think all of these overall are a good fit, and I think support the idea that perhaps HRG and co. are developed based on these biblical figures. Then again, could just be a nice coincidence, who knows?


I still think HRG would be the god figure if this theory turns out right.

He would have his 7 angels at his disposal. Much like Apocalypse in x-men tried getting his minions prior to taking over the world.
clamzoopa
yeah, i thought there was another name for the angel of deat besides gabriel, maybe i'm thinking of michael, but i thought it was something
fidorulz
From angelic script some of the signs seem familiar to heroes



For example the script Ain seems like the heroes helix icon if made in double


Mohawk182
QUOTE (Amantis @ Nov 27 2006, 08:30 PM) *
it was funny he named himself after a watch company. Seems kinda cheesy.



I guess we should be glad he didn't have a coffee can lying around.
We could all be discussing where Maxwell Houserman is going to strike next. LOL biggrin.gif

How about F. Olger?!
Oayis
This is what I got after looking up Jessica:
"Shakespeare probably based it on the biblical יִסְכָה (Yiskah), the name of a minor character in Genesis, which meant "YAHWEH beholds" in Hebrew."

I looked up Yahweh, and it turns out that it's another name for Jehovah. Both Jehovah & Yahweh are names for God's Hebrew name. Both also come from the Tetragrammaton, the usual reference to the Hebrew name of God.



The older versions of the Tetragrammaton remind me a bit of the symbol, but that's just me.


QUOTE (fidorulz @ Nov 28 2006, 06:02 PM) *
For example the script Ain seems like the heroes helix icon if made in double

On Wikipedia, it says that Ain is also Hebrew for "nothing" or "absense". How that adds up to Heroes, I'm not sure.
Rocky Dragon
QUOTE (Amantis @ Nov 27 2006, 10:30 PM) *
it was funny he named himself after a watch company. Seems kinda cheesy.



He could just as easily called himself "Timex" cause he takes a licking and keeps on "ticking" (like an atomic bomb..KABOOM!)
kitty
QUOTE (Amantis @ Nov 28 2006, 03:30 AM) *
it was funny he named himself after a watch company. Seems kinda cheesy.



yeah, but it was the first thing that he saw. Besides, it's symbolic, watches are his life. But then again, why would he name him self after something that symbolizes his previous name? Renaming yourself is the start of a new life. So yeah, that's pretty stupid
doublered
QUOTE (Amantis @ Nov 27 2006, 10:30 PM) *
it was funny he named himself after a watch company. Seems kinda cheesy.

Better than getting named "Remo"
Dr G Thang
QUOTE (fidorulz @ Nov 28 2006, 03:46 PM) *
Yes but im curious if this comes out to be true who the other 6 may be


Names of Heroes from the Bible:

Matthew
Peter
Isaak
Gabriel
Eden
Micah
? - Maybe someone we haven't met yet (or Daniel, who Sylar killed, was also a biblical character)

But if you look at the names, Peter and Gabriel (Sylar) both have ultimate powers. The others have mental ability. (i.e. mind control, mind reading, ability to paint mental visions). Very interesting stuff.
fidorulz
QUOTE (Dr G Thang @ Nov 29 2006, 01:12 PM) *
Names of Heroes from the Bible:

Matthew
Peter
Isaak
Gabriel
Eden
Micah
? - Maybe someone we haven't met yet (or Daniel, who Sylar killed, was also a biblical character)

But if you look at the names, Peter and Gabriel (Sylar) both have ultimate powers. The others have mental ability. (i.e. mind control, mind reading, ability to paint mental visions). Very interesting stuff.


Anyone know HRG full name?
Jwb52z
QUOTE (Dr G Thang @ Nov 29 2006, 12:12 PM) *
Names of Heroes from the Bible:

Matthew
Peter
Isaak
Gabriel
Eden
Micah
? - Maybe someone we haven't met yet (or Daniel, who Sylar killed, was also a biblical character)

But if you look at the names, Peter and Gabriel (Sylar) both have ultimate powers. The others have mental ability. (i.e. mind control, mind reading, ability to paint mental visions). Very interesting stuff.
"Eden" was a place, not a person in the Bible.
passerby
The only two angels ever mentioned in the Bible by name are Michael and Gabriel. Micheal: Daniel 10:13, Daniel 10:21, Daniel 12:1, Jude 1:9, and Revelation 12:7. Gabriel (and I'll include the text for comparison with Sylar)
QUOTE (Daniel 8:16)
And I heard a man's voice between the banks of Ulai, which called, and said, Gabriel, make this man to understand the vision.
QUOTE (Daniel 9:21)
Yea, whiles I was speaking in prayer, even the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, being caused to fly swiftly, touched me about the time of the evening oblation.
QUOTE (Luke 1:19 )
And the angel answering said unto him, I am Gabriel, that stand in the presence of God; and am sent to speak unto thee, and to shew thee these glad tidings.
QUOTE (Luke 1:26)
And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth,


Of course the Bible references other angels, but no others are given specific names except Satan-an angel who fell from the Heavens because of his pride (that's just the extremely condensed version).
Azrael
My guess is that Sylar is modeled on the Archangel Gabriel (who for a time was a fallen angel), but the remaining heros are intended to represent apostles or other biblical figures and not angels, the preeminent apostle being Peter.
fidorulz
QUOTE (Azrael @ Nov 29 2006, 04:04 PM) *
My guess is that Sylar is modeled on the Archangel Gabriel (who for a time was a fallen angel), but the remaining heros are intended to represent apostles or other biblical figures and not angels, the preeminent apostle being Peter.


Im curious if we will ever know Mr. Bennetts first name
The White Diamond
QUOTE (Dr G Thang @ Nov 29 2006, 02:12 PM) *
Names of Heroes from the Bible:

Matthew
Peter
Isaak
Gabriel
Eden
Micah
? - Maybe someone we haven't met yet (or Daniel, who Sylar killed, was also a biblical character)

But if you look at the names, Peter and Gabriel (Sylar) both have ultimate powers. The others have mental ability. (i.e. mind control, mind reading, ability to paint mental visions). Very interesting stuff.

but we also have claire, hiro, niki, jessica, definitely not your typical biblical name.
I was thinking Sylar's name was a knockoff. (snicker)

QUOTE (Rocky Dragon @ Nov 29 2006, 03:00 AM) *
He could just as easily called himself "Timex" cause he takes a licking and keeps on "ticking" (like an atomic bomb..KABOOM!)

we should be grateful he didn't see any batteries lying around, could you imagine? Ener Gizer or Ray OVAC
fidorulz
QUOTE (The White Diamond @ Nov 30 2006, 02:02 PM) *
but we also have claire, hiro, niki, jessica, definitely not your typical biblical name.
I was thinking Sylar's name was a knockoff. (snicker)
we should be grateful he didn't see any batteries lying around, could you imagine? Ener Gizer or Ray OVAC


Or maybe a combo of the names like Symex
RPG
interesting with the hebrew assumptions but I feel it can not be understood without first understanding the torah and the use of gematriah
tlb
The symbols are interesting, but if you check wikipedia, you'll find that the symbol is part of an RNA helix. This has been disclosed for a long time.
tlb
Another thing: after watching Van Helsing, I searched wiki about Gabriel and I'm pretty sure it said he was the "Left Hand of God", and that he was responsible for banishing Cain after the murder. Maybe this is relevant.
Ground-State
I was thinking Timex, or Casio, that would not be a scary villain, "MY NAME IS CASIO!", heh heh
the incredible ironman
QUOTE (Ground-State @ Dec 8 2006, 02:03 PM) *
I was thinking Timex, or Casio, that would not be a scary villain, "MY NAME IS CASIO!", heh heh


Heheh... nice.. I'd say it would be cool if he would've seen a picture of a dude sawing someone's skull off, but that's just me. My name is dom inoes (if he had seen a pizza box) would come in second.

As for the biblical stuff, the last time I tried throwing my two cents in I wound up coming across as a jackass..
Eden
Gabriel: Yes, I called you... My name is...

(*thinks to self: Seiko? Timex? Gabriel Timex. No, definately not... Casio? Maybe people will start nicknaming me Cass then... Ah, whatever! We'll go with Sylar...)

My name is Sylar. Gabriel Sylar... (*Darn, I forgot about Rolex!) dry.gif
Alessandra
The reference to Gabriel being the Left Hand of God is interesting. The Left Hand of God is also referred to the "Left Hand of the Damned". Since Gabriel has gone evil, and transformed into the serial hero-killing Sylar this would mesh quit well.
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