Nothing much to base this on except that he's filthy rich. And PO'd that Niki's alter-ego kicked his behind. That's why he has been sending thugs to get her.

Thoughts?

My thoughts are simply no.

I agree

don't think so.. why would her dad send thugs to collect when he was trying to give her money?

You wouldnt send thugs for a chick that supernaturally just beat the living crap out of you, claiming to be your dead daughter?

He left her hanging once. He'd do it again.

Notice, he wanted nothing bad to happen to the kid... his quarrel is with the girl

Um, no.

Because Niki's dad was scared witless of her, and Linderman certainly isn't. As a matter of fact, I have a strong suspicion that Niki's dad is dead.

no

Not sure if he is Linderman, but I am fairly certain he is the Dad in the new "Army Strong" commercial where he talks to his son in the diner about the impressive changes he has seen in him since he joined the Army.

Nope

I agree as well.

Nikki wants the money but Alter Ego Jessica doesn't. Don't know what happens between 6-months ago and now. He obviously has a short fuse and is able to kill his own daughter and wanted to smack his grandkid a few minutes after he meets him for the first time. Gives him some godfather like qulaities.

I know it's very far fetched but since evrything is linked somehow. We'll see how it plays out.

This episode had an underlying theme: Alter-egos. Who's to say that Nikki/Jessica's doesn't have alter-ego named Linderman. I would hope that we find out next week. But I doubt that we will find out until '07.

Just like BSG, leave us hanging for the Christmas hiatus.

A little bit more elabourate "no":

* Angela Petrelli says Linderman is in Atlantic City at roughly the same time Hal Sanders is in Vegas. The time could be fudged to make it work, but it's still a strike.
* Hal Sanders may be an abusive alcoholic who murdered his own daughter, but it seems like a stretch that he, in his current remorseful, forgiveness-seeking mode, would compel his own daughter to seduce a stranger for money, or send thugs to beat and/or rape the money out of her ... especially a few months after he handed her a blank check.

Agreed

He handed his innocent daughter a blank check.

It's not even far-fetched really.

This could definitely be it.

There's no reason why not.

CLEARLY he doesn't really care about her. ESPECIALLY not when she beats the crap out of him.

Before he just wanted to make it go away with money to make himself feel better... now, hes got a legitimate reason to whack her.

Plus, we don't know, something could have went down between that 6 month period.

How do you figure that Hal's last name is Sanders? When I got married my wife took my last name. I would argue that Hal's last name is anything but Sanders. And before you say that maybe she didn't take DL's last name. Children usually have the same last name as their father unless the father is not known. At least that has been my observation.

I'm glad I'm not the only person that thought Hal=Linderman. Also, I forgot to look, what was Jessica's last name on the tomb stone? It wasn't the same last name as Niki's was it? Cause isn't Niki Married?

D.L Hawkin
Micah Hawkin
Niki Sanders
Jessica Sanders
Hal Sanders

Mr.Lindermen

I don't really see a connection here. And if Lindermen was Niki's father, they would had reference to that before.

Actually, Micah's last name is Sanders. It says so in every introduction he is in. Episode 9 said "D.L. Hawkins & Micah Sanders."

Also, Niki and Jessica have the same last name but it could be their mother's maiden name or their father's last name. That hasn't been confirmed one way or the other.

Personally, I don't think her dad is Linderman. He seemed like too much of a bumbling drunken loser to be a mob boss/casino owner. Also, Niki calls her father "Hal." I don't see a reason why she would switch to calling him "Linderman" when referring to who she borrowed money from. AND Jessica stuffed the check into Hal's mouth after beating the snot out of him, so no money borrowed there.

Odds are, Linderman is a character we have yet to see. It's cool for people to speculate but I'm so sick of the so-and-so is really so-and-so debates. Peter is not Sylar, Hal is (most likely) not Linderman, MBG/Haitian is not DL, and Claire is not Jackie (that one was Sylar's stupid mistake). No offense to the starter of this topic. I'm just saying, from this point forward, I'm taking each character at face value to be who they say they are until otherwise stated on the show. I have no reason not to and while it's fun to imagine, I'm not going to let myself get carried away.

EXTREME NO!

so niki's alter ego has an alter ego? that seems a bit of a stretch

Why can't Linderman just be Linderman?

I think he may be. He may have not known that he was sending his people to take money from her. He could have though she was just some person.

didn't jessica in a later episode say she killed her dad?

not a later episode i meant in an earlier thats later in time

i'm guessing hal's last name is sanders because on jessica's headstone it says 'sanders' and she was only-what 11?- at the time she died. the name 'sanders' belongs to niki and jessica, so it likely belongs to their dad as well.

Jessica is Nikki's alter ego. Even though she may have been Nikki's sister at one point, the two entities are now one person.



I did screw up the last names, My bad. Hal lastname is probably sanders. Hanging my head in shame for ten seconds. But I still think it is in the realm of possibilities that Hal and Linderman are one in the same. Maybe Linderman is Hal's dead brother.?

I do not believe that Hal is Linderman. Linderman may be a character that we have already met under a different name, but I do not believe it is Hal. I kinda think we have not met Linderman yet though.

Hal is not Linderman, or I'll eat my hat...

(good thing I don't wear a hat, but still...)

1) Everyone might be connected, sure... but hello... Hal is already connected - he's Nikki's father, thus, connection.

2) Linderman sent the goons because Nikki went to him for money and was late on the repayment. NOT because Nikki went Jess on him and put a hurt on him.

3) Oh, yeah... Nikki went to Linderman for money. I'd be willing to bet that means she knows Linderman, and has probably even seen him. So, she'd recognize him, if Linderman was indeed evil Daddy.

Linderman is Linderman!

Just like Sylar is Sylar! (Well actually he's Gabriel Gray ...Damn!)

Linderman is rich enough that it's not worth his time to pick up a $2000 dollar bill off the ground, and it's certainly not worth flying off the handle at his grandson for taking a $2k laptop apart. Linderman probably spends $2k on breakfast. He's had $2million stolen from him, he gave $4million to Nathan's campaign, and it probably hasn't even made a dent in his account balance.

Also, Linderman doesn't strike me as the type to fly into an uncontrolled rage. He is ice-cold, rational and calculating in everything he does. And he probably doesn't go anywhere without bodyguards.

Hal is not Linderman.

Because the name on Jessica's tombstone was Sanders, as well. Unless you're implying that DL also married Jessica, who died in 1987.

Because it says so on his check.

I dunno who this Linderman character is, but he sure sounds alot like "The Kingpin" character from Marvel. I hope that when they reveal who he is, that he's able to live up to the reputation!

Hal is not Linderman.

Linderman whored her out for god's sake. You do not whore out a person that just handed you your arse, no matter how much money they owe you and especially if they're your daughter.

Any takers on HRG as Linderman?

Seriously. Is this such a hard concept to grasp? Personally, I do NOT think that we met Linderman yet.

yeh i think so to

I bet we wont meet him untill last episode of the season

Wouldn't his name be Sanders? Maybe Col. Sanders was her real father?
How's that for "Most Bizarre and Nutty Theory of the Week?"

Incidentally, if that bozo is paying $2K for a laptop then he doesn't know where to shop.

You're off on the connection part.

Most characters are connected on multiple levels...

Niki is connected through DL and Micah, but also through the brief interaction with Nathan and as entertainment for Ando.

It's like this for many characters.

But so far Hal is just Niki's dad.

The best way for him to come back?:

As Linderman. The name is his alter ego, like heroes and villains do. Superman and Clark Kent, Peter Parker and Spiderman. He just has a more business-like approach--- The arch nemesis Lex Luther type.

(Also, do we even know his last name? Do we know if him and Niki's mom were even married?)

Beyond this, it is reasonable to believe Niki might not know her dad's last name, or if it's not Linderman, might not know HIM AS LINDERMAN BECAUSE SHE'S NEVER REALLY SEEN HIM.

There is a lot of support for this theory.

He's got a ton of money to throw around apparantly, and has a huge temper. He also has a newfound reason to not care to much for his daughter.

Plus, we don't know what happens in that 6 month span...

There is not a lot of support for this theory.

Why?

DL and his gang stole from Linderman. He probably then has a good idea of who Linderman is. You don't see DL telling Nikki "I stole from Linderman. Oh yeah, he's your dad by the way."

It's not as if Linderman is a low profile character that no one knows about how he looks like. The DA has tabs on him, the Petrelli family have connections to him, I would be very surprised if they didn't find out his real identity if he is really an alter-ego.

You'd expect at least the DA to address Linderman by his real name, if really an alter-ego.

I know in the epi Niki says that "he has money". But HOW much? Is he really that rich? He does seem like a bumbling, but struggling, alcoholic to me.

Where does he get his money? What does he do for a living? We don't know.

No, he is not Lindermann. Just as many people said "_____ is Sylar" there are going to be many people who will say that "____is Lindermann" when in fact, it will be bullsh*t.

I do understand...there are those of you who wants to post as many possibilities as possible so at some point, you can be proven right. Then you can brag. So go ahead, I don't care.

I will accept that her father may be associated with Linderman, but her father being Linderman is too much of a stretch given the relationship between Linderman and Niki.

I started the topic...as a newbie to 9thwonders I was just testing it out. Honestly, it's a stretch. It just that the thought popped into my head for a brief second while watching the show so I thought I'd throw it out there to the "experts".

I'm not hoping to brag if I get it right, just satisfied that it generated some interest for my first post on the board.

All I know is that this show has got me hooked!

no..

Hopefully Linderman will stay a shadowy crime lord figure we never really see.


It's like what the Kingpin is to Dardevil. Niki is to Linderman.

My only thought is you need to lay off the weed when watching.

Yo dude like I think that Hiro is Linderman and Charlie is Claire's mother since all the letters in claire's name is in Charlie..yeah man this is some good $&%*!

Peace