I'm just getting a huge kick out of the fact that so many "experienced" posters spent all this time telling others that their theories were so stupid and obviously wrong... and tonight's episode put the bullies in their place.

For example... apparently Sylar does acquire the abilities of other Heroes, so the mean people will stop saying "Sylar has TK and THAT'S ALL, he doesn't acquire other's abilities!" Hmm.. that's funny.

Also, It would appear that our friend Gabe choose his 'sylar' name, meaning that the birth announcement is not his, so mean posters won't continue saying... "Sylar has to be Paul E. Sylar, Period. - it's not a nickname or an alias!" Also funny.

I'm just enjoying this moment for all of those posters who were vindicated tonight. Hopefully people will stop rolling their eyes or "drinking" at theories they think are "stupid." As Papa S. said, we'll see who the fool is...

Well, honestly there's nothing wrong with everyone giving their opinions , ya know?
Then again there is such a thing as "thinking your opinion is THE final answer"!
My theory, unless you are a WRITER FOR THE SHOW, your opinion is not set in stone.
Good call ole Jeeves! Good call!

Yep, I'm all for the open expression of opinions! Over the past few weeks, I had started to believe those bully posters, assuming that they had some kind of superior knowledge... tonight's episode should remind all of us to keep an open mind... we don't know what's going to happen until it actually happens..

shoot... I suppose that, in fact, Peter could still turn out to be Sylar!

(just kidding:-) )

Could someone explain to me how it was originally thought that Peter was supposed to be Sylar?



I mean, if he killed his past self in the hallway throwing those locker doors, he would have seized to exist himself... right?

No, actually, yer quite quite wrong on that one my friend..it is actually "ceased". Okay that is all, MWA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA! Calgon! Caaaaalgon! Where are you? Take me away to my bed!

The "peter is sylar" theories started within the first few weeks of the show. I'm not sure exactly why everyone thought that Peter was Sylar... I guess everyone just thought that they had come up with an interesting plot twist... I don't really know.. anyway, for a while, it did seem like at least 1 person in every thread had this new, original idea... "peter is sylar!" so that's why people started "drinking" everytime someone said it, and then, it expanded into every random sylar theory. at least, i think that's what happened...

High-five to MandaBrook for this thread!

It's all fun to post speculations and theories for most of us, but some of the "bully" posters here really do seem to think THEY have the final answers, and if the show doesn't go their way, then the writers are all stupid...

*rolls eyes*

And even if the story did go as these people "predicted", it still doesn't give them the right to spoil the fun for others or be so rude (and incredibly sarcastic) to people here...

Down with the bullies!

where are all the "bullies" now? why are they not defending thier possitions? because they were wrong? this should show them that while thier theroies maybe intersting to them and they think they're right it's not always so!

I still get a kick out of reading some of them thou, some even make me laugh out loud at work!

I think we should save a link to this thread (or "watch it" or whatever) so that in the coming weeks, when the bullies come back out with thier "concrete" theories, you can put the link to this post in their thread to remind them that we now know that they should NOT assume anything until it is aired - and to stop being mean to people!

The "Peter is Sylar" thing is pretty easy to explain. People were putting a number of things together:
1) Writer/creator/some show person said that someone would be tempted to the "dark side".
2) Peter can "take powers"
3) Sylar seemed to be farming brains for powers (so--the theory goes--maybe Peter found he could farm brains and retain the ability permanently).

So, you throw all these in a blender and you get a "Peter is Sylar" smoothie. I personally was not saying it, but it's easy to see how people would speculate early on...

that's awesome. put them in their place. and kristen at e was right, sylar and peter do have the same powers, but that drove me nuts, what is his power? he said he can sense them, how does he transfer the power? he can't be the same exact as peter, when there are so many abilities out there, it must be different a little, i hope.

To add more to the blender, i heard such theories that Sylar was really HRG and that HRG was a multiple man and would split off into Sylar..

I also heard that he was an alien.. He was an undead brain eating android. That he was really Eden and she was a gender bending shapeshifter.

So from now on I will fully and completely believe everything I read because all this could very well be correct!

Now I'm going to look around online for a therapist or a support group. I'm just so traumatized that others were right and I was wrong!

Oh and one other little observation.. The worst bullies are the ones that were bullied and later became one.

my thoughts exactly. lol

ah... Touche'.


While I've not really been bullied, I've just grown tired of seeing others get bullied. But yes, you are right... I don't want to become one... well put.

Out with the old bully know it alls!

In with the new "I told you so" bullies.

It's clear that everybody had a piece of it even if it was expressed in the wildest fashion. I mean to the point where it was all unbelievable, even though the real fact was in there someplace.

Well I don't want to take anything away from those that were right, even though I hate a sore winner..

My ex wife used to beat me playing monopoly all the time. When she'd win she'd rub it in literally for hours afterwards..

Well, I never said "I told you so" - in fact, many of my theories were disproved in last night's episode, but I hadn't been throwing my theories around as accepted fact and being rude to people who had interesting ideas that differed from mine... my only point in this post was that all theories should be considered, and everyone should be allowed to be heard, because obviously, we aren't going to know what is really part of the story until we see it - therefore there is no right or wrong - everyone should just be nice and open minded.

very true, no one should be rubbing it in when they are right, and that is not what my post is about. but people who are bulling others, should be reminded that many of the theories thrown around as fact have been disproven, so people should be more careful when being so critical of others - people need to stop "rolling eyes" and "drinking" to posts they disagree with, that's all, i just think it's rude and it discourages people from posting.

Well I'm guilty of it, but at the same time I agree with you. I've had my a$$ smacked a couple times already myself.

Hell I didn't post for a week after the last time I had my a$$ handed to me..

I agree with you completely that certain people were harsh and arrogant about their theories. But you wont make them turn into nice open minded people by rubbing this in their face.

Proving an internet jerk wrong hardly ever stops them and even if it did another jerk would be empowered to take up the mantle of "Heros theory troll".

Out of curiousity, since everyone here seems secure in the "Sylar is stealing everyone's powers by eating their brains" theory. If he has killed and stolen a number of these abilities (he's now killed enough people that the FBI is involved - dozens would be my guess) why is it that the only ability we ever see him using is the PK? Why not just freeze Claire to stop her from running away.. etc?

This really goes back to my thread about how the writers really had no idea which way to go after introducing such a formadible villian, and thus took the most popular idea from the fans... while the twist of Gabriel being able to "understand" why others have these abilities was great, it's a little disappointing that all they could come up with was "he's stealing everyones powers" to complement it. Reminds me of the "it's all a dream" solution used so many times to explain the unexplainable.

As the OP points out, we are not making ANY assumptions, and it is a mis-statement to say that "everyone here seems secure" in any theory at all. first, no one said that; second, this thread is actually about NOT saying things like that. Yes, it is possible he's eating their brains, but it is JUST as possible that he is NOT eating their brains. Anyway, I don't have any answers for you, I just wanted to clarify that no one is making those kind of general assumption statements, at least not in this thread. but it is a topic that should be discussed, openly.

who gets bullied on a message board? lame.

hahahaha. and yeah, i don't think he eats brains, i'm not secure in saying that.

He's probably got a whole room filled with brains in jars, like in "The Man With Two Brains", and he goes home every night to sing duets with them. Had Mohinder just looked a little harder, he might have stumbled through the paper-thin was and into the secret laboratory.

Good thread.

I can't understand why people get persecuted for believing in some more out-there theories. I mean, I can privately smirk and roll my eyes if I don't like something, but how can I be so full of myself to put everyone in their place all the time?

I think it's ok to make jokes and mock some "stupid" theories. It's kind of fun, I get that. I'm sure I've done it before.
Whatever, this is a message board. If you let yourself be seriously bullied around here, you might have a problem. Anyway, the atmosphere gets poisoned if some people show off how smart they (supposedly) are and put others in their place.
I would really try to refrain from calling names and constantly correcting people, because it most often backfires at some point.

Most annoying are people who claim theories to be their own (often the same who call other theories "stupid")...there's just no way you can do that. Everything you think of has been thought by someone else before. If you believe anything else, you must have some ego issues. There is just no original thought. There's always someone at least as clever as you are. Copyrights on theories are laughable, really.

Disproving "stupid" theories with spoilers is rather lame, too. It's allowed, because if someone posts a theory anywhere it should be in Theories and it's allowed in theories, so there's not really any use to complain about spoilers in general, if it was a theory thread...anyway, it's cheap, no matter what.
I don't get why some people have to be right and prove they are right just to prove you "stupid". What's wrong with you?

Or it could be that the "experienced" posters made the mistake of believing that the show would not contradict itself. Of the issues you mention above, I honestly don't think I expressed an opinion: I was more "concerned" about other things. In fact, I remember reading a spoiler somewhere (perhaps in this forum) where it said that Sylar got his name from a fictional watch company. But regarding: "Sylar has to be Paul E. Sylar, Period. - it's not a nickname or an alias!"

Didn't Mohinder and Eden find a newspaper clipping of a "Paul E. Sylar" in Sylar's apartment?

If Sylar just randomly took his name from a brand of watch he was working on when Bruce walked into his shop, what was the significance (and consistency) of Eden and Mohinder finding that newspaper clipping?

Deus ex machina?

No, they don't find anything like that. Not on the show. It's just the picture in the gallery which has proven to contain lots of pictures which were never used. And this particular picture just happens to be right in the middle of a whole bunch of pictures which are proven to be irrelevant. For example, the map changed (I think, but I might have just looked at it funny).

Anyway, this never happened and we don't have reason to believe it happened off camera. I once fell for that, but now I'm pretty sure those pictures tell you nothing about the current plot.

Haha you're right!

Many of us here, myself definitely included, have worked hard looking through all the extra stuff on the internet (graphic novels, promo pics, etc etc) and viewed them as "clues" or "answers" to the story's many questions...

In actual fact, the TV series should simply be taken and enjoyed just as it is shown on TV (or internet in my case - oops!), and as pure fictional entertainment...



But then again, it's just so hard not wanting to find out as much as we can (shows how much we care for this show!), for how else could we stop the increasing excitement towards this show, while waiting for each episode to air every so many days AND getting more questions?

Actually, "Gabriel's" name is Sylar, or did you miss his little talk about "the watchmaker's son changing his name, trying to start over in a new life, but the watchmaker's son becomes...the watchmaker". And the clipping for Paul E. Sylar was from the map, it was on the show-ep. 2, I think.

i generally do not post theories, but i will point out flaws... but only to increase my general understandin of the show. i have found with certain people that they will argue anything to prove that "their" (alleged) theory is correct... even if the theory misses out huge chunks of info. i found this too on lost forums, people try and fit the show around their theory, not form a theory based on the show.

also, people tend to base theories solely on the last episode they saw. ignoring the previous ones (ones that usually contradict their theories).

Thanks, I thought I saw it on the show itself.

Now I am not defending anyone who was or is rude -- and I hope I personally am not neither have been rude -- but viewers should expect the show not to contradict itself. If they see something that gives a "Paul E. Sylar" on it, it is not outrageous to think -- indeed, it is logical to think -- that the show will follow itself.

But unfortunately, the writers can be (and in my opinion, to some extent have been) as self-contradictory as they want to be.

I'll even go one step further and say that there are two theories on this board that I do think are stupid:

1) Jessica is a disembodied spirit that is possessing Niki

2) Because Micah fixed a telephone, DL will get shot but Micah will "fix" him.

Again, being honest, I think both theories are stupid. If you want to know why, I (and many others) have posted rejoinders throughout this forum. However, I also think it is quite possible that the writers will follow either or both of those ideas. In my opinion, if the writers do so this show will have jumped the shark and I will cease to watch it but the bottom line is that I still think the ideas are stupid, but I don't write the show.

Sure, I know that Gabriel Gray took the name Sylar off a watch, never denied that, did I?
Maybe you confused me with someone else.

But no, the clipping was never shown as far as I know. I watched that episode about 5 times. I really hope I didn't miss it. I don't think so.

Gabriel says that he wants to change his name. He takes Sylar which was written on the watch. Why would his father by Sylar, if he said he wanted to change his name? Why would they put a newspaper clipping of the guy who made those watches?
I don't see any connection. It's old plot, unused pictures. I fell for it before.

I may be mis-remembering this, but in Chandra's notebook there was an entry for a Paul Sylar - that is the origin (I think) of that name.

I don't remember that and I doubt it, because that stuff was pretty old research, but I haven't seen transcripts of the journal from Seven Minutes To Midnight anywhere around here...someone?
There was a lot you could see when Mohinder flips through the journal. You could even stop in between the flipping to see full pages...but you'd need quick capping.

There was Sylar's address written on one of the pages, probably you are talking about that?