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Duckie
Anyone else think of the Watchmaker Analogy when Sylar/Grey said that watchmaker's son line?

(If you don't know, the Watchmaker Analogy is here. It's a theroy of intelligent design.)

Again, sorry if anyone brought this up sometime before.
ekimckim
Good post!
I hadn't thought of it that way.
With all of the other religious references I'm surprised this hasn't been discussed more.
isitmondayyet?
way back when Kristen@E! posted the spoiler that Sylar was a watchmaker, i thought "Dawkins!"

so ... yes =)

[edit -- Richard Dawkins wrote The Blind Watchmaker]
Mister Fate
QUOTE (ekimckim @ Dec 1 2006, 05:02 PM) *
Good post!
I hadn't thought of it that way.
With all of the other religious references I'm surprised this hasn't been discussed more.



becuase it's one of the lessor known religious theories, and people are too stupid to read.. i know i know.. we're reading this but.. you get my point.
ekimckim
QUOTE (Mister Fate @ Dec 1 2006, 07:25 PM) *
becuase it's one of the lessor known religious theories, and people are too stupid to read.. i know i know.. we're reading this but.. you get my point.

I don't believe that.
We already have one person bring up Darwin's Rottweiler and his writings. I'm certain others will join in. This topic is certainly ripe for discussion considering the writers made the watchmaker Evil.
tacomolly
QUOTE (Duckie @ Dec 1 2006, 06:33 PM) *
Anyone else think of the Watchmaker Analogy when Sylar/Grey said that watchmaker's son line?

(If you don't know, the Watchmaker Analogy is here. It's a theroy of intelligent design.)

Again, sorry if anyone brought this up sometime before.

The art of the watchmaker is very much like the art of neurosurgery .You must have a very steady hand, work in very, very tiny spaces in order to fix the part that is "broken". Both occupations require precise knowledge of what is required to make the repairs.
No doubt, we should all remember that when Molhinder and Eden break intro Sylar's apartment, there were medical books open, several of them in fact.
Too bad they didn't check the fridge.
Duckie
QUOTE (tacomolly @ Dec 2 2006, 05:02 AM) *
Too bad they didn't check the fridge.


Eww.
lazra
The "watchmaker" job wasn't central to Paley's argument, though - he just picked an example of someone who creates intricate things, and in 1800 a watch was about as intricate as you got. (Today, a better analogy would be computer engineer or something.) It's a neat idea, but I'd be more likely to think it was a deliberate reference if Sylar were responsible for creating the other heroes. This watchmaker just disassembles them, and anyone can destroy something intricate. It takes someone special to design something complex - that was Paley's point.

I'm saying this as an evolutionist, of course..
Duckie
QUOTE (lazra @ Dec 2 2006, 09:34 PM) *
The "watchmaker" job wasn't central to Paley's argument, though - he just picked an example of someone who creates intricate things, and in 1800 a watch was about as intricate as you got. (Today, a better analogy would be computer engineer or something.) It's a neat idea, but I'd be more likely to think it was a deliberate reference if Sylar were responsible for creating the other heroes. This watchmaker just disassembles them, and anyone can destroy something intricate. It takes someone special to design something complex - that was Paley's point.

I'm saying this as an evolutionist, of course..


I was just sayong that the analogy is that the world is too intricate to have been made by chance -- like a watch. And that mirrors those speaches of Mohinder, how he's saying we're trapping in fate or something. The fact that Sylar happens to be a watchmaker is just an awesome way to reference it.
ekimckim
QUOTE (lazra @ Dec 2 2006, 02:34 PM) *
The "watchmaker" job wasn't central to Paley's argument, though - he just picked an example of someone who creates intricate things, and in 1800 a watch was about as intricate as you got. (Today, a better analogy would be computer engineer or something.) It's a neat idea, but I'd be more likely to think it was a deliberate reference if Sylar were responsible for creating the other heroes. This watchmaker just disassembles them, and anyone can destroy something intricate. It takes someone special to design something complex - that was Paley's point.

I'm saying this as an evolutionist, of course..

Sylar seem to be doing more than simply destroying. By disassembling he gains insight into other's powers. In a sense he is trying to become the "ultimate watchmaker".
Paley's argument is flawed because it reduces God to nothing more than a tinkerer. Anyone with sufficent knowledge could then be considered a god. I think this is the point of watchmaker reference.
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