Sitting there watching the room Peter was in, Nathan walks in. He Sits down and talks to him. In the middle the screen goes off and comes back and its Sylar talking. Is this like in starwars where Aniken's shadow was Darth Vader? Or was it simply just a dream?

I was wondering the same thing! I think that it was a dream, because he woke up and jumped back. But then again was that Sylar in his head?

I think it was a "dream" being that when he "woke up" there was no Nathan there...

The reason i dont think it was a dream was ecause he was in the same part of the bed... like he wasnt facing anotehr direction or anything

I, too, wondered the same thing. What if Sylar eventually gains shape-shifting abilities? Peter's dreams seem to be premonitions...

Well, based off my topic "Who says?" Sylar may end up dying (speculation that edens power works when he wakes up) and his soul takes over Nathan's and lends his TK to make Peter use the energy to blow up. Just saying, due to the topic "Mohinder's voiceover" Reply please.

i was wondering about this too. i'm not fully convinced that it was a dream since peter's reaction seemed continuous (when he jumps, he's in the same position he was sitting and moving away from the sylar image).

but alas, i have no theories on it... so i'm leaning towards a dream. any theories on this would be very interesting and much appreciated.

I don't think Sylar was literally in the room with Peter. It was a "dream" so to speak. However, I think Sylar and Peter are now connected in some way, hence Sylar's dream visit to Peter, Peter's sudden illness and Peter's vision of himself in Sylar-ish clothes blowing up New York.

I wonder if Sylar is taunting Peter telepathically to try and lead him to the "dark side"? Like Dracula used Renfeld to do his bidding.

Peter is just exploring his new ability to have dream premonitions, which is kinda like Isaac's ability to paint the future. He can see metaphorical representations of what will happen in the near future, unlike Isaac's literal representations.

Sylar probably stole the power of the little boy from India. The one that enters dreams... That's what I think.

I agree with Trayton, I think this has something to do with a secondary power Peter possesses. Peter has always had dreams which relates to the current situation. Eg. he dreams he's flying before he ever finds out he can. He dreams about Simone's dad when he dies. etc. etc.

To prove you wrong, have you ever and i mean EVER seen sylar in india?

Wait a minute! When Sylar and Peter fell, their blood was all over eachother wasn't it? So could it be then that they became connected, and possibly Peter is feeling the effects of one or more of Sylar's powers, and therefore is altering his own DNA unintentionally, and that is why he fainted etc.?

Thats it! Mr bennet said the alterations had driven him mad, and from the 'are you on the list' that sylar was in a coma too, just like peter. This may be the one key we have been looking for.

That makes sense, a lot of sense actually. I think it is very possible.

Did Peter ever see Sylar enough to know what he looks like? I don't think so because he never got a chance to, if I remember. Yet, in his dream Peter saw Sylar as we saw him in captivity. Sylar also appeared to be 'sleeping' when H.R.G. went to see him for the first time. He could have been reaching out to Peter in some way. Maybe he realized their connection through blood, props to Eden, and used the opportunity.

Could someone post what Sylar told Peter?

I noticed in another episode (can't remember which one) that there seems to be some kind of additional connection formed with Peter and the other heroes. It's not just the powers.

Unlike Rogue of X-men, I don't think it is a gain of the person's personality. I think it is more like a mental connection with that person. That would explain Peter's constant visions of his brother (i.e. He knew when Nathan got in the car accident as well as details). Perhaps since Sylar can figure out how things work, he can communicate with Peter.

After Peter turned away, he turned back and Sylar was there and said, "You dont know the meaning of power..." in a dark, very low creepy, demonic voice.

I'm not convinced it was a dream either. Sylar as Nathan seemed to be really discouraging Peter and trying to convince him he was powerless. Sylar could have been just trying to shake Peter up. He goes in there as an image that Peter would look up to, then changes on him. It would certainly make Peter start questioning his surroundings and if Nathan is really Nathan when he sees him. Sylar might not even need to know what Nathan looks like. He goes to his victims and has them see whomever they're the most close to as he talks.

I wouldn't be surprised if Sylar has the power to project himself or images. We still don't know all of Sylar's powers. Sylar could have been delivering some psychic disease to Peter in the cell for all we know that's causing the coughing. Maybe he's transfering some of the damage he's been getting from DNA mutations over to Peter.

Now if it was a dream, it's really easy to interpret. It was all about Peter's fears. The vision manifested first as a power figure that he's looked up to for a long time (this is mentioned by his mom in the first episode) his older brother telling him he can't save the world. It then changed to Sylar (a psycho that's just commited murder) who reinforces the message that Peter doesn't have enough power or doesn't know what having actual power is actually like.

I'm glad that this thread was started. It's a good topic.

I think Sylar already has or will someday gain shape shifting powers.
I hope not, I am already scared of him.
I wish they would just gas him right there in his cell and he can die.
I wan thim dead. Eden was right!

him he looked at sylar down the hall and looked and him in the face before they both went over the side of the stadium. and no that didnt look like sylar in his cell clothes cause sylar has a hat and green shirt on.

I meant Peter saw his face and everything like we saw it when he was in captivity. I couldn't remember if Peter ever got a chance to look closely at Sylar or not. I figured he probably would have when they went over the edge, but then again it could have all went too fast for Peter to have really been paying any attention to details. I'll have to go back and watch Homecoming.

He could probably see what his face looked like when they dove off the stadium.

Why is this even an issue? Peter saw people he's never seen before in his coma causing dream, so it doesn't matter if he saw Sylar's face or not.

I love this theory... would make a lot of sense. But, after Sylar and Peter fell, I didnt see any of Sylar's blood on the ground, only Peter's.

You are the only one in here who alludes to the fact that the fake Nathan walked right into the cell like everyone else does, which is, by having the door opened by the cop outside.
It must be something everyone else can see, too. Unless they can show you all sorts of stuff and then say, "hey it was just a dream!". I don't think so. Maybe Sylar can project himself in a form visible to anyone around, disguised as someone else. Probably taking the information to fill his hologram from the mind of the one he tries to fool?

But this is the thing i don't get, Sylar doesn't know who Nathan is, he has never meet him, and Nathan always talks to Peter like that, that was clear when Peter said "WHAT NO LECTURE THIS TIME" and Nathan responds with "No i am just glad your safe", or have i got more then one scene mixed together here?





I like the theory, but it still nags me thinking about the fact that Sylar doesn't know why Nathan Looks like, unless we are to assume that Sylar has some other powers that we are not aware of, maybe from some of the victims we have heard of and seen in a couple of episodes, but didn't know what powers they had.



Which would make sense but Peter was getting sick during the interrogation when Matt and FBI chick where in there questioning him, you could see he was not looking his best thats for sure, at a guess i would say he started to get sick after he meet Sylay and the Cheerleader at the same time, the absorption of Power and the **POSSIBILITIES** of DNA infusions taking place, Peter's bod is trying to cope with everything in one go.



I am fairly confident we will find that it was a dream, since i believe that is one of Peter's base powers, he had the ability to be Pre-Cog before Mimicry, i am sure this was also proven with the Episode "SIX Months Ago", but also do agree with you on the fact that this could be all about his fears, it could end up being about nothing more then him having a dream that felt surreal with all the stuff that had taken place.



Which is what leads me to believe that it was just a dream, if you look closely at Sylars clothing, to me it almost appears as though he was wearing the same cloths as what he was at the Home Coming, So peter would have only been dreaming about the person he seen and the clothing they were wearing at the same time, i would go even as far as to say with all that is taking place in his body right now, his mind will also begin to play games with him, whilst at the same time mix true visions in with the false ones.

I am now certain the writers put in the first Dream to throw us of scent with the actual Pre-Cog vision he has at the end, if you look at it properly it makes sense to do that cause they would want you to believe that he is the one who explodes, remember the writers have sown the seed into your train of thought by having Sylar pops up out of nowhere and says " You Don't Know What Power is" or something to that effect, i do believe these writers are some what good, their little hidden secrets and hints left in every episode are now starting to show up now that i know they are there and can look for them if it wasn't for me reading one of the interviews of Tim and seeing him say that, i would not have even bothered, but it does make the show more interesting now


This is the best advice i can give you all, don't always believe what you see on the show, things are put in place to make you believe one things and they end up having an outcome that is not even the opposite but yet totally different to what you would have thought.


Cheers,


David.

Two things I noticed re-watching the episode tonight.

When Nathan/Sylar comes into Peter's cell Peter asks him why he's there and Nathan says something like "you get in trouble, I drop everything to fix it." There was something about it that in hindsight was ominous and a little humorous.

Then later, during Peter's "meltdown" dream, the vision is acompanied by the sound of loud, ominous clockworks, like gears of a large clock turning slowly and snapping into place.

Oh those wacky audio cues.

That's not even all of it...Peter asks, "What? No lecture?".

It was a dream. If any thing I have a feeling its forshadowing Nathan being a villian. Although I personally dont think Nathan will become a villian.

I thought about that too. There are several ways that I could see Sylar getting around that. Here are some theories:

1) Sylar could have seen Nathan and Peter's face on the map with all the heroes. All of them are from New York. I'm sure Nathan's face is also familiar to him because he's a politician. It wouldn't suprise me if Peter is in photos with Nathan. Nathan is always trying to push those family values in his campaign.

2) Sylar has the power of projection and perception. Anyone who sees Sylar's projection, perceives him as an authority figure. Perhaps when the guard opens the gate, he sees Sylar as his commanding officer, while Peter perceives Sylar as Nathan.

Sylar wouldn't have to have any knowledge of the other person's friends, family or coworkers. He could just be perceived as whatever the person needs to see to listen to him.

3) Now that Sylar has Charlie's power, perhaps he's making a connection to what he saw in the paper or on the Internet and then projecting himself.

4) Sylar can project himself into people's dreams. He can plant an idea and have it manifest. Sort of like the show VR5.

First, Sylar knows exactly what Nathan looks like. Nathan's picture was in Sylar's apartment on Sylar's map! That's why Mohinder went down to his campaign office and said his life may be in danger.



Why not? When I'm having a realistic dream, it includes details like people opening doors. Especially when I would be expecting it to happen.

I can't explain that. I don't like when you are fooled in a way you can't prove what's happening. Just don't think it's good style. But I agree that Peter was sleeping or at least that's what it looked like and next thing you know this happens, then he gets scares and the final shot pretty much looks like he had a nightmare and jumped from the bunk.

I guess I have to see this as 99% proof that it was a dream. Meh.

Misdirection is a comic book staple, however... As are dream sequences... I'm guessing that it wasn't just a dream, but something more significant than that...

I was just thinking about this today also.
Everyone is focused on Peter's other vision that was at the end of the episode.

I think the vision of Nathan turning into Sylar represents Nathan being a bad guy like Sylar.

We really have to ask, Why is Nathan really so insistent that Peter not "follow his destiny?" Nathan acts like it is just because he doesn't want Peter to get hurt, but I think there is a sinister motive here.

I don't know if I would read quite that much into it. Nathan believes that these abilities cause more grief than good, perhaps stemming from his abrupt departure from the car seconds before the accident in "6 months ago", plus he's convinced that these abilities will cause him and Pete to wind up like lab rats in a cage somewhere; a belief that was reinforced by his attempted abduction in Vegas. Couple this with the fact that he's a politician, running for congress, and that superpowers don't look good on the ballot, and his feelings about Pete's "obsession" with being special are understandable. Consider also that he's a smarmy ****** who is okay with the fact that his father favored him over Pete, and it puts the character in perspective.

What motivation would he have for turning evil? He has a verifiable superpower, so he's "special"; He's a successful DA running for congress, so he's got wealth and power; and he was the favored son, so I doubt jealousy is at work here...

I think Nathan's all up in arms about Pete being a hero, partly out of concern for his safety, and partly because it might end up costing him the election... Evil? Not really. Selfish, singleminded and short-sighted? Oh yeah.

I think that in his dream, Nate represents Peter's doubts and fears... It would be a natural way for them to manifest, considering the way Nathan has consistently regarded these abilities. I also believe that Sylar's appearance in the dream represents Pete's subconscious awareness of the power that he picked up off of Sylar, which is now running rampant through his system...

Now if they do somehow change the future and save New York and in doing so, cost Nathan the election, all bets are off, because he would now have the motivation...

I think it just showing the Nathan is turning evil. Hasnt Sylar been called the face of Evil of the series or something along those lines? I just think it makes sence that Nathan is becoming evil

That's a stretch.

We have not been fooled once. What they've been doing is not giving us all the facts. That leads the message board folk, to theorize and speculate. I can see when a theory one comes up with is shot down, you could feel bad if you claimed it was true up and down these boards. If you felt you were fooled, that's too bad.
Honestly, letting the audience in on the truth little by little is brilliant work. It keeps us on the edge of our seat, and coming back for more.

it was HRG who was referred to as "the face of evil" in episode promos.

I felt the same way, kind of like a chill up the spine when Nathan mentioned about dropping everything to fix it.