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MADCAT
I'm sure that if the Haitian wanted he could have wiped her memory but!

At some point down the road Claire's going to throw herself in front of a bus (or cut her finger) and this is going to start all over again with her finding out she has a power. What does HRG think he's going to do, mind wipe her every few months? that can't be good for the old noggin, can it?

how many times has HRG wiped his wife's and son's mind?

all I'm saying is that this didn't seem like a well thought out plan by HRG and he doesn't seem like the kind of guy that doesn't think things out all the way. maybe he's slipping from all the burning houses (stress).
peabodyseven
Claire's healing ability would reverse any mind-wipe that may occur since the brain is part of her, it would naturally fix itself and let her regain her memory. However it seems the Haitian has something up his sleeve when he asks Claire if she can keep a secret. I don't think she will get her memory erased.
MADCAT
QUOTE (peabodyseven @ Dec 5 2006, 11:17 AM) *
Claire's healing ability would reverse any mind-wipe that may occur since the brain is part of her, it would naturally fix itself and let her regain her memory. However it seems the Haitian has something up his sleeve when he asks Claire if she can keep a secret. I don't think she will get her memory erased.



I never thought of the healing power affecting the mind wipe power, good one! I was mostly thinking of how HRG would pervent Claire from rediscovering her powers if she hurt herself again.
iamsylar
QUOTE (MADCAT @ Dec 5 2006, 11:32 AM) *
I never thought of the healing power affecting the mind wipe power, good one! I was mostly thinking of how HRG would pervent Claire from rediscovering her powers if she hurt herself again.

It wasn't about forgetting her powers (surely she would re-discover them the next time she stubbed her toe).
It was about forgetting the events that nearly led to her death.
The Haitian seems to be able to wipe out pieces of memory to varying degree.
Remember the QB . . .total mind loss.
Zach . . . last two weeks.
Matt . . . couple of days
Abraxas
QUOTE (peabodyseven @ Dec 5 2006, 05:17 PM) *
Claire's healing ability would reverse any mind-wipe that may occur since the brain is part of her, it would naturally fix itself and let her regain her memory. However it seems the Haitian has something up his sleeve when he asks Claire if she can keep a secret. I don't think she will get her memory erased.

That just doesn't seem very scientific to me. Memory regrows? blink.gif

Now the "It really does break my heart." comment HRG made can be seen in a new light. It breaks his heart because he has to get her mindwiped.

Not a revolutionary discovery, but I see that it works without him being super-evil.
chrissstopher
QUOTE (MADCAT @ Dec 5 2006, 09:58 AM) *
I'm sure that if the Haitian wanted he could have wiped her memory but!

At some point down the road Claire's going to throw herself in front of a bus (or cut her finger) and this is going to start all over again with her finding out she has a power. What does HRG think he's going to do, mind wipe her every few months? that can't be good for the old noggin, can it?

how many times has HRG wiped his wife's and son's mind?

all I'm saying is that this didn't seem like a well thought out plan by HRG and he doesn't seem like the kind of guy that doesn't think things out all the way. maybe he's slipping from all the burning houses (stress).


Claire's powers are purely physical. Her memory would not regenerate. And Bennet wasnt going to erase her memory of her powers, he was simply going to erase her memory of the Sylar episode (jackie's death, meeting peter, the erased memories of her mom, bro, and friend).
Annika Hansen
One thing has been bothering me. Do you think HRG sent the Haitian to erase part of the memories of everyone at Union Wells High School? 'Cause if not, wouldn't someone mention to Zack that he and Claire have been buddies for the last two weeks, and that he campained for her to be homecomming queen?
narcissus
Abraxas is back yay!

Now i was soo giddy when the MBG talked I knew the slave master relationship is over... i was getting sick and tired of it...

What do ppl think is his angle... what is he doing?
SpideReilly
The Haitian spoke to Claire as if he WANTED her to remember everything. I haven't watched the episode since last week, but I'm thinking he's letting her remember, but telling her to keep it a secret that she does. Maybe he knows Something HRG doesn't about the way events are headed? Didn't he say something to her like "Will you remember?" or somthing along those lines, I don't know, that's just the way it came across to me ...
KombatJesus
QUOTE (narcissus @ Dec 12 2006, 12:03 AM) *
Abraxas is back yay!

Now i was soo giddy when the MBG talked I knew the slave master relationship is over... i was getting sick and tired of it...

What do ppl think is his angle... what is he doing?


MBG is gettin paid. . .and enjoying that wonderful texas weather?

I think he realizes thet HRG's judgment is comprimised and/or he sees him as a very tyrannical person and does not want to see this memory wipe happen to Claire. . .like it happened Soooooooooo Many Times(LOL) with her mom.
DJenser
QUOTE (KombatJesus @ Dec 13 2006, 03:40 PM) *
MBG is gettin paid. . .and enjoying that wonderful texas weather?

I think he realizes thet HRG's judgment is comprimised and/or he sees him as a very tyrannical person and does not want to see this memory wipe happen to Claire. . .like it happened Soooooooooo Many Times(LOL) with her mom.


Depending on what type of memory it is, (i.e:visual, verbal, auditory, etc) long term memory is stored throughout the brain by making stable and permanent changes in the neurochemical connections found in those areas. I'm guessing that the Haitian's power disrupts those connections, in essence causing selective brain damage... Claire's power might work to undo that damage once it's inflicted... We'll probably never know at this point, since the Haitian took matters into his own hands and not only left her memory intact, but "told her a secret" as well...
KombatJesus
QUOTE (DJenser @ Dec 13 2006, 04:12 PM) *
Depending on what type of memory it is, (i.e:visual, verbal, auditory, etc) long term memory is stored throughout the brain by making stable and permanent changes in the neurochemical connections found in those areas. I'm guessing that the Haitian's power disrupts those connections, in essence causing selective brain damage... Claire's power might work to undo that damage once it's inflicted... We'll probably never know at this point, since the Haitian took matters into his own hands and not only left her memory intact, but "told her a secret" as well...


Are you sure the power only disrupts the memory cells, and does not completely destroy them? That is the difference between Claire remembering or not. But if it was impossible for Claire to remember I doubt HRG would have ordered such a thing.
lordlucless
HRG isn't omniscient nor, as far as we know, a neuro-biologist. I think he's used the Haitian's power so much, he's started taking it for granted. Which is going to be a problem know the Haitian's started persuing a different agenda.
Christy
QUOTE (iamsylar @ Dec 5 2006, 12:00 PM) *
It wasn't about forgetting her powers (surely she would re-discover them the next time she stubbed her toe).
It was about forgetting the events that nearly led to her death.
The Haitian seems to be able to wipe out pieces of memory to varying degree.
Remember the QB . . .total mind loss.
Zach . . . last two weeks.
Matt . . . couple of days


yeah but zach and her brothers minds had been wiped from remembering claires powers.. wouldnt she remember she told them?
Azure Trayl
I thought of something...if MBG can remove memories, is it possible for him to know and remember what secrets or memories he wiped away from those people? As well do you think he can give those memories to Claire, it would probably cut down on the time he has to explain the whole story to her and rather just show her his memories of what HRG has had him doing and the stolen memories of those effected. Hope my theory will envoke some response.

By the way, I already know that HRG stands for Horn-Rimmed Glasses, but what does MBG stand for. I know it means the Haitian.
thefatindian
so i guess the theories of "a secret" has returned.
I thought we all decided that the Haitian had no real secret, other than the fact that he may not be working for HRG alone
Leto
QUOTE (peabodyseven @ Dec 5 2006, 11:17 AM) *
Claire's healing ability would reverse any mind-wipe that may occur since the brain is part of her, it would naturally fix itself and let her regain her memory. However it seems the Haitian has something up his sleeve when he asks Claire if she can keep a secret. I don't think she will get her memory erased.


Like others have said, I don't think that Claire could regain her memory because of her powers. When you remove some memories, the brain is not necessarily wounded locally. Before the memory was there, the brain was alright so, it's not like a wound.

Anyway, what if all the Heroes in the story had their power for a long time but were all visited once by the haitian and had their memory wiped. Maybe Claire's father has been controlling them for a while, wiping their memory until the moment their power would be needed. So, they rediscover their power again and again thru time.

It's just an idea like that, I don't really believe it myself but, just thought that I should be mentionning it...It could generate some discussions...
DJenser
QUOTE (thefatindian @ Dec 14 2006, 05:51 AM) *
so i guess the theories of "a secret" has returned.
I thought we all decided that the Haitian had no real secret, other than the fact that he may not be working for HRG alone


I'd be willing to bet that this secret is regarding a certain upcoming character...
DJenser
QUOTE (Leto @ Dec 14 2006, 11:43 AM) *
Like others have said, I don't think that Claire could regain her memory because of her powers. When you remove some memories, the brain is not necessarily wounded locally. Before the memory was there, the brain was alright so, it's not like a wound.

Anyway, what if all the Heroes in the story had their power for a long time but were all visited once by the haitian and had their memory wiped. Maybe Claire's father has been controlling them for a while, wiping their memory until the moment their power would be needed. So, they rediscover their power again and again thru time.

It's just an idea like that, I don't really believe it myself but, just thought that I should be mentionning it...It could generate some discussions...


Given that memory involves actual physical and chemical processes that take place within the brain, it is likely that tampering with it in a way which is not part of those processes is tantamount to brain damage of a sort... It might be extremely subtle, but damage nonetheless. Think about the 2 most common causes of memory loss: trauma and disease. Physical trauma to certain sections of the brain can damage the memory, temporarily as the brain works to rewire those connections that were lost, or permanently as those connections are destroyed, much like taking a sledge hammer repeatedly to a hard drive... The other cause is deiseases, such as Alzheimers which causes myeloid plaques to build up within the brain, destroying those connections as the disease progresses. In both cases, these same areas, among others, are affected resulting in memory loss... From the sounds of things, what the Haitian does is goes into someone's head and effectively "degausses" those connections... Given that the creation and storage of these memories are part of Claire's natural biological processes, and their removal is not, I'd say her healing factor would work to restore them, provided enough of the pieces could be put back into place to start the process...

This is something that probably hasn't occurred to anyone, but Claire can only heal injuries that are in the proper place to be healed, hence her ribs didn't re-set until she pushed them back in place, and her autopsy incision didn't seal until she closed the flaps of skin, to say nothing of having to remove the tree branch from her skull... If these neural connections don't have the requisite parts in place to begin healing, then it is conceivable that her memory might not return. Now a traumatic brain injury might "reset" the whole thing, or something might trigger a mnemonic response that forms a new neural connection, kickstarting the whole process but it is, perhaps, possible to remove her memories...

Ultimately, the one factor that will determine whether she can or not is the writers...

I do, however, find the possibility of some of these people having had any memory of their powers erased, in the past, quite fascinating, and I would expect to see something of this at some point on the show...
SukiWatching
QUOTE (DJenser @ Dec 14 2006, 10:54 AM) *
I'd be willing to bet that this secret is regarding a certain upcoming character...


I think the "secret" is primarily that she wasn't mind-wiped when she should have been, and secondarily that the Haitian can talk and has a different agenda than Mr. Bennett does. In other words, "can you keep a secret" = "can you act like you don't remember anything about having special powers"
jamesdaniel
QUOTE (SukiWatching @ Dec 19 2006, 01:01 PM) *
I think the "secret" is primarily that she wasn't mind-wiped when she should have been, and secondarily that the Haitian can talk and has a different agenda than Mr. Bennett does. In other words, "can you keep a secret" = "can you act like you don't remember anything about having special powers"


yeah i took the secret to mean that she needs to act as though she doesn't remember certain events. I don't think that the Haitian is necessarily persuing a different agenda, but that he only disagrees with HRG on Claire's mindwipe.
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