nice reference to 4400. 4400 is a very big parallel to Heroes as far as how it all worked. I remember getting into that show and then it just disappeared.

Also, lets remember that there are a LOT more heroes in the world (SEE: mo suresh's map). They are everywhere. How knowing they are of their abilities is another story, but... Like it was stated, this could be one step into the Save The World thing. Even if NYC goes up after whoever explodes, then thats still just a few million people as compared to a couple billion. Simply a 10th or so. I think we have to realized that for some reason Peter is going to be the one that has to do something that the others cant, but he can't survive without Claire around and without her, he is as good as dead anyway as a mimic.

I'm most curious to find out how stopping the explosion in NYC is going to "save the world". NYC is hardly the world... heck, it's hardly the US (even if it is largest city we have). It feels to me like stopping the explosion is just one more stop (like "save the cheerleader") on the final path to saving the world. A long time back, I started thinking about the whole "save the cheerleader, save the world" thing as not something literal, but more... a superhero shopping list of sorts - where the resolution of a single event may not be the overall answer, but rather one of a dozen or more important events required to reach the desired conclusion. While it's been suggested that the "save the cheerleader" portion is over, I'm starting to get the feeling that the "save the world" portion is not going to be resolved this season. In "4400", the returnees were each given "powers" similar to what we've seen in Heroes in order that they gradually alter humanity's future. Perhaps the appearance of metahumans has more to do with this gradual "saving", rather than having it happen all at once.

Im still convinced that these premonition's are a future that "could be"...things can still change between then and now

No, it could be. I mean, think about it: if NYC goes up in a mushroom cloud, what's the government's immediate response going to be? Retaliation. So they'll nuke the country they assume to be responsible, who in turn sends some nukes back at us, and there goes the world. Mutually Assured Destruction.

I seriously hope that the guy with his finger on "the button" isn't as trigger happy as you're suggesting. I prefer to think that before just blowing up everything in sight, the gov't would at least investigate what happened. Upon doing so, they'd find out that it wasn't a bomb at all (even the biggest explosions leave residue traces from the explosive materials used), and thus not go bomb happy. Besides, it's pretty clear that current administration running the US has no balls to even consider nuking anyone.

My thoughts exactly, like a 'War Games' scenario.

"Wouldn't you prefer to play a nice game of chess?"

I'm thinking the "Save the world" mantra more or less applies to their future destiny. The exploding Peter is just something that will bring them together. Of course, I'm hoping a better threat arises besides Peter exploding.

Remember, Ted (and hence Peter) DOES leave behind residual radiation. Any investigation would conclude it was a nuke, and with no delivery system seen, would also conclude it was a smuggled terrorist device.

After 9/11, even the liberal New York Times was not debating whether the US should go to war, but whether the use of nuclear weapons would be justified, and the Iraq experience has certainly given us no stomach for conventional invasions of terrorist states.

I think it's highly plausible nuclear strikes would occur since no one could come forward to confess, and the lack of confessions would not be believed because no one accepted the existence of someone like Ted/Peter/Sylar. It might take a little time, but...

What I don't understand is this: Hiro knows he cannot change the past, but he also knows that he CAN change the future. Why not travel to the far future to speak with Future Hiro. Then, he can take that knowledge back the present in order to act on it - much like he did after seeing NYC blow up. He gets the info they need with none of those pesky paradoxes...

Looking back (I've been semi-watching a Heroes-marathon all day) to the episode where Future Hiro gave Peter the message.. Hiro also seemed to allude that there were many "steps" to saving the world:

F_HIRO: The cheerleader. It's the only way to prevent it.

PETER: Prevent what?

F_HIRO: Everything.

If saving Claire was only going to prevent the explosion in NYC, then it's not very likely that he would refer to it as "everything". Sounds like we have a lot to look forward to before Peter's latest vision comes to pass.

I never thought "save the cheerleader save the world" had to do with Sylar or the bomb. I really think it's something more global in the future.

It could have something to do with her father for all we know, saving her saves her father which leads to him saving the world perhaps? We don't know. All I know is if Hiro traveled back in time (from the looks of it at least a couple years), the time where the cheerleader was needed was then, not now. That means at the very least this shouldn't be resolved or explained for another 2-3 seasons (to be fair to the timeline in which Hiro came from to deliver the message).

Yes it was a nice promo spot with all the save the cheerleader yada, yada, yada..but I knew the moment Hiro was older, wiser, and speaking English this would not be something resolved this season.

Wait a second... If Hiro really can't change his past (not just that he *thinks* he can't change it), then what would be the point of future!Hiro coming to Peter. Isn't all that in the past? That would make the whole premise faulty, no? I was thinking he can change the past but doesn't know how to yet. Or. Something.

We know that Hiro is able to make subtle changes to the past after seeing him with Charlie (the book, the photo). It appeared to me that he only had problems when trying to make either a "big change" like saving someone from death OR making a change that would result in a paradox (such as eliminating his reason for traveling to the past to begin with). Giving Peter the message might not have made that much of a difference overall, thus didn't result in a paradox (although I haven't a clue how saving her vs not saving her would constitute a "small" change).

There's also the possibility that Peter was always supposed to save Claire, and that the message only allowed him to do carry out this job sooner (perhaps resulting in success vs. failure). Maybe the vague message was just enough to allow this to happen, although we won't know for sure until either they take us into the future somehow, or we meet Future Hiro in his "current time" (Season 20+ as suggested by the producers) to see what his motivation for traveling back in the first place was.

My thought is: Hiro can change the past. He said so himself, seeing the painting of him fighting that Dinosaur (I better not step on a bug, becasue that will change history completely). I always assumed that changing the past poses risks that he cannot take. And I furthermore assume that he learned a big deal when together with Charlie: about the past, about changing things, and what needs to be changed and must not be changed. So cannot should be equalized with must not or should not. And what he does not mean is a lack of ability when talking about how he cannot change the past.

IfPeter was able to see the future, there would not be the necessity to introduce Isaac as a character. And his vision was not necesarily a future vision, but more a empathetic one. A perception of the threads. I would not conclude that Peter is going to explode. I would still just assume that "someone" will explode. ?nd they - the heroes - need to stop that from happening.
Peter currently feels as a failure, because he cannot control his power or better put it to use. He probably needs to learn that over the next few episodes.

I do not think that they have actually saved the cheerleader, yet. I do not think that the real threat was Sylar. It might have been, but well... too simple... and it might just be the Haitian, that will tell Claire the real reason behind her father's actions and why she is a key figure in saving the world. Which concludes that saving the world needs to be done WITH Claire and is a result of saving Claire.

On the other hand: HRG sees himself as a humanitarian, providing good to most... But with some questionable ethics to achieve the goals. What if he works for a pharamceutical company trying to find a cure for brain injuries, tumors, or other injuries where Claires ability would be benefitial. He might be the one trying to put Claire's ability into other people's head in order to cure... However, he does not know how, therefore he needs Sylar, because Sylar can do so. Transfering power. Sylar is the key, to create that cure with the help of Claire's power.
This would make Nathan another dangerous candidate, because the guilt of crippling his wife makes him want to switch sides, in oder to heal his wife.

Isaac

I've said this in a couple of threads now, but Remember Reid Richard's warning to Johnny Storm: "Don't go to hot or you'll ignite the atmosphere and destroy the world" or something to that effect. Maybe what we're seeing is not the shockwave of an atomic bomb, but rather the advancing front of an atmospheric ignition that will burn off the atmosphere of the entire world.

Yea, cuz Peter looked more like he was exploding into flames rather than nuclear energy.

While I agree and love your comparison to the 4400 - both great shows that seem to have a lot in common - I can easily see how an atomic explosion in NYC would destroy the world. Just look at it from a political perspective.

Most people do not know about this super-humans running around. Nobody is going to believe that someone just had an atomic explosion. More likely another country is going to get blamed and then there will be nuclear warfare.

Which is going to do WONDERS for the world, let me tell you.

future hiro probably got sent back by future claire or future peter as a "terminator"-esque way to make sure the "future" happens.

Here's my thinking with the future hiro thing:

Maybe when FUTURE hiro was the PRESENT hiro, he heard about FH coming to talk to peter and so when he got to a certain point in the future, he knew he had to go back and talk to peter or else he would be changing the past by not doing so. Likewise, the PRESENT hiro we know on the show will have to travel back in time and tell peter to save the cheerleader when he becomes FUTURE hiro.

The Heroes ultimate destiny is to save the world from pollution and the destruction of the ozone layer.

That brings a whole new meaning to--
<heh hem clears throat to mimick Arnolds a low deep voice>
"I'll be back"

M.A.D.

like as in Josuha's tic-tac-toe lesson on FUTILITY

EDIT : high 5 to 5Hiro5

This is why I sometimes hate when they introduce time traveling into shows like this. If he cant change the past, then what would be the point of Future Hiro traveling back in time anyways? The only plausable reason are: He figured out a way to change the past, or, he is making sure the future happens(terminator esque).

Yeah, it didnt seem like he was going to blow up nuclear bomb style, it more seemed that if was becoming like jet fuel hot. Another thing, is how he comes accross those powers anyways? He must somehow get near the 'Nuclear Infected'(cookie if you recognize the song and who sings it), and thus take on his powers, but he doesnt know how to use them so he 'goes up in flames', so to speak.

If New York Was nuked it wouid most likely destroy Americas economy. Which could end up having a domino effect on the rest of the world.

Shattered economies would lead to other social and political disasters.

We also don't know how powerful the explosion could be. The radioactive fallout could end up magnifying the entire situation.

Just a my 2 cents.

Isnt that Captain Planets job though? lol

To Prophet, the 4400 never disappeared. Each new season begins in the summer, on the USA network.

And to everyone else, Hiro can change the past. He just thinks he cannot change the past. He has not realized that Charlie's tumor was beyond his power to alter. He doesn't have healing powers. He could go back to when the tumor was just beginning and tell her to go to the doctor and maybe that would have helped.

I think the Charlie incident was introduced to keep Hiro from utilizing his powers too fully too soon.

This sounds so much like the movie "Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure" where they're telling each other not to forget to do this or that.. lol.

A future will happen no matter what... it's how we influence that future that matter's most...

I always thought New York blows up cuz Bennet couldn't deal with the death of Clair but it seems all wrong now...

lets see how they move with this

Yeah I thing the "bomb" is not the final event, but an event which leds to some type of back lash agains people with the powers. If the "bomb" is caused by a Hero, which I think it will be. Than people may know this and go on a witch hunt for them. Peter could have gone his scar from a battle during this hunt. Saving Claire is the first event which led to this, so saving her should stop the chain of events. Hiro say, it will stop it all. All being many events not just one.

The way to save the world, is to have it nuked. Hence everything will return to the dino age. That's what Issac's painting is about. It's a painting of the future, which is what he does. He doesn't paint the past. Hence, that dino is part of the future. And Hiro carrying the sword is also from the future. The future is dino land.

ACK! Shades of the "Mutant Registration Act". Next thing you know, they'll have 15ft Sentinals patrolling the streets to imprison.. er protect the "normals". Would that also make HRG the "William Stryker" character - since he's abusing metahumans to further his personal agendas?

think the only way to destroy the world is vibrations/harmonics or an extremely large foreign object (meteor/comet type thing)
other than that I think this big rock is going to hold together just fine as it travels around the sun. if there's people on it or not is a different story.

don't believe a MAD scenario would wipe out humanity either... and NY might be too full of itself, most "blue states" (how'd that happen anyway? Dems are RED, Pubs are Blue, and has been for AGES then all of a sudden a color shift!? dang media) seem to be. World would function without... did before. Don't think the towers fall caused as big an economic impact as was hoped by those who hate America and/or Capitalism(freedom).

don't think all the nukes in the world set off all at the same time would destroy the world. If nothing else, as Mohinder migh suggest, at least the spiders and c**kroaches would probably still be around.

Everyone in this thread has some really great ideas! It is good to see that more than just a few actually use their brains when it comes to actually watching this show!

I think the "Save the cheerleader. Save the world" is being interpreted a bit too narrowly. It might not mean that Claire is necessary to save the world - it might just mean that something else had to be accomplished in the process of saving Claire that alters the future of the world.

For instance, in the process of saving Claire, Peter prevented Sylar from gaining her powers. Alternatively, without Peter's intervention, Sylar would never have had that nasty fall, and may not have been able to be captured by Eden so easily. Or maybe Peter's arrest and subsequent exposure to so many Heroes at the police station is a necessary part of saving the world. Or the fact that Peter saving Claire caused the Haitian to reveal his true colours to her. All these little knock-on effects from Peter's decision, and any one of them (or combination of them) could be the effect Future Hiro was trying to elicit by manipulating Peter.

Obviously, if the writers meant "Save the cheerleader, save New York" that's what they would have said. There are currents and undercurrents of the statement "save the world" that have not been revealed to us yet. Claire must be especially important for her life to be connected with the destruction and/or safety of the entire world. After 11 episodes all I can say is there are a lot of mysteries still out there and lots of story still untold! HOLD ON TO YOUR HATS!

P.S. Claire's ability, if real, would be one step closer to immortality for humankind. That’s why I think she is so important.

Hava a look at the "cover" of this week's comic. "Who can save the world from Peter?"
I wondered why the "world"? It's NYC. Unless this just means that Peter is powerful enough to take on the world. And who knows who does the covers. Maybe it's the same person who puts up the recaps which seem to be riddled with mistakes.

If that were the case why would they show Hiro come to Peter on the train.. that would have been Hiro from the future but in his past.. why would he do that if he knew that he couldn't change the past... what I think it is, is that he can not change destiny, and he can not play god.. I'm pretty sure he has no control over peoples lives..