When Eden comes in the room and turns off the dampening field, why didn't her voice work on Sylar? It seemed as though he was able to completely shrug it off and then use his powers against her. Anyone have any theories on why her power didn't work?

Since we don't know how many people Sylar has actually killed, I am going to assume that he has powers we don't know about.

But they worked in the field. Unless of course that was the Haitian cancelling out his powers and not her persuading him not to hurt her.

If you listen to what she says it shows why it doesn't work.

"I'm going to take this gun and i'm going to put it in that slot, and your gunna take it and your going to blow your brains out."

For him to him actually be persuaded to do it, she would of had to put the gun in the slot, however he stopped her before she could do it

I feel like this should be common knowledge by now. This theory makes complete sense and everyone should abide by it

Seriously though, Sylar's main power is he has the ability to see how things work. He basically figured out how the room he was stuck in was working to stop him from using his powers. Then he was able to use his powers on Eden.

didn't think about that... and it was right in front of my face too!

Mohinder says in episode 11 that some guy killed 6 people to whatever place he was complaining to. It sounded like they said to stop calling them. The last person he named was Charlie.

sylar said that a gun wouldn't hurt him

i think that sylar has like some sheild thing underneath his skin so it would be impossible to "blow his brains out"

sylar is probably smart, and since she could use her power, he was able to use his.

1. The Walkers (2)
2. Chandra
3. Jackie
4. Charlie
5. Davis (TK guy)

Of those, which ones does Mohinder know about? Besides Chandra? Has Peter kept in contact with him, and told him about Charlie and Jackie? In his father's research, did he find Davis? That basically leaves The Walkers as the 2 outside the 'loop' that Mohinder is in, but he could have found these listed somewhere else.

When he mentioned the 6 people who had been murdered, he was specifically talking about people on The List - "At least six of the people on this list are dead; all of them from the same killer."

To my mind, that rules out Jackie and Chandra, as well as Mrs. Walker (aside from Charlie, James Walker is the other victim Mohinder names explicity).

If that's true, then Sylar's been a busy boy.

Impossible. If the ability to see how things work is a power, and the room stops powers, then the room would stop him from figuring out how to defeat the room.

You're cheating. Try again.

I think that may be the case too.. the other question is why didn't he kill the father too then and just get out ?

The only thing i can think is because he doesn't have any powers?

I have to say I am not at all convinced that the room itself stops Sylar from using his powers. Sylar is mighty, and he has shown he can TK lockerdoors from their hinges, but to go from there to walking through solid concrete is a long step.

The problem for Eden was she got c**ky and went in without backup, something HRG never did, I assume. And the glass window was obviously not enough to keep Sylar constrained when his life is threatened.

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PS Hehe, this board auto-censores using stars. That is really adorable. DS

Has anyone considered the possibility that Sylar simply wasn't listening to her? I mean, he was kinda monologuing before she tried to put the whammy on him... Perhaps he was tuning her out, like an annoying girlfriend on a depressingly long car ride, while he was going over his fiendish plans in his head, waiting for the right moment to strike...

Think about it: You can't exactly obey the commands if you're not really listening to the speaker, can you?

If you read "Life Before Eden", it says something along the lines of "you can't help but listen" so you can't tune her voice out when she persuading you.

I love simple/elegant explanations. I vote for this one.

Occam's Razor for the win

Eden slipped up

Maybe he couldn't hear her clearly because of the glass that was separating the two

I agree. Seems the best.

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I think this has something to do with it and possibly because they talk through a speaker that her power doesnt work unless shes talking face to face with the person

I would think that she would have tried this before and known this drawback. Dont forget she had 6 months of working with HRG and I would have tried different things to find out the full potention so that I would not be caught off guard. So I would think that HRG, Eden and the Head guy would all like to know the extend of her power so that they could use it to the best of thier knowledge.

This might be true but i dont think Eden would have known that her power wouldnt work if she was speaking through a speaker.. but its just a theory

After reading through the thread again I've gotta re-emphasise my point. Her power worked but since her command wasn't direct he couldn't "be persuaded" to do it until she had completed her part of her persuasion. I believe the reason both their powers could be used again was because the Haitian wasn't in the area, we know from before when HRG talks to him that the Haitian is there.

Once Sylar saw her use her ability he knew his would work, bam he pulls her through the glass.

My $0.02

Then Sylar should have escaped long before, since the haitian guy isn't there 24/7...

He might not have tested it? He only realised he could use his powers again when Eden used hers?

Once he realised that he couldn't do it, I doubt he tried all the time to re-use them.

Maybe he wanted Edens or the Haitians power and was waiting for the right time.

Here's my theory:

Sylar just fell off the building with Peter so he was too weak; hence, Eden and that guy captured him.

When the boss man comes in and talk to him, maybe he was recovering.

Then when Eden came back to him again, he's completely recoverd; so he can use his power against Eden.

It's just a simply theory. Don't matter if it's right or not. I like it! b/c I came up with it

I think that the room mimics the Haitian's powers and that Sylar's powers superceded Eden's in some way when she de-activated the room. He can't be shot because he's assymilated a power that prevents him from being harmed by normal bullets...case in point the episode where he gets shot in the hospital by Matt Parkman at the Hospital 5 times and he just rose and disappeared. Sylar's initial power in some way has can detect how something works (whatever its machinations) and fix it but in some way he also acquires it. I think he acquires the powers through the brain as that is the center of control just as the Elder Dr. Suresh had told him. That's why he kills victims with "powers" and sees how they work in the their brain and then "learns" them. Eden killed herself before allowing him to take her gift b/c it's so powerful.

I think he could have escaped anytime he wanted (except possibly when the Haitian was around). I think he wanted to see who these people were before he escaped, once he decided that it no longer benefited him to be there he left. Eden just gave him the opportunity to take another power on his way out.

I think this is a great explanation. that part confused me, and this would make a perfectly logical answer.

I don't believe that. It would have started to take effect the minute her voice changed.

I think Ralys nailed it. The Haitian wasn't around to weaken Sylar's powers so his powers won out, and not to mention we saw how he was actually managing to fight it off a lil bit in the field even without his powers.

well in the episode were he gets the tk power you see him, see how the power in the tk guy works with out cutting open his brain. becuase he dosen't have the TK to open his brain yet there for part of that theroy dosn't work.. but i still like supahero's thero the best

I think the quote in your post is from what I said, and I don't think you understood.

Sylar would of heard her persuasion, he would of done what had she said but he couldnt, until Eden fulfilled her part of her own suggestion (When she states she'll put the gun in the slot)

Hope this helps you understand my theory more.

Hi everyone! My first post here.

Why Sylar has managed to TK Eden and not obey her orders has also bugged me. After reading this thread, I think I came with an explanation:

The room disables powers, but Eden had to tell Sylar what to do, so she "turns off" the room blocking mechanism. We don't see this happening, and we don't know if the blocking only happens inside the glass wall, but I think it's fair to say Eden would turn it off if she wanted her powers to work;

But her powers didn't work because her voice went through the speakers. There's a huge emphasys on the synthesized voice while she talks, as if the show director was showing us that. And when Sylar TKs Eden and the glass is broken, he holds her throat so she can't speak anything.

My 0.02

if they were able to create a room that could surpress powers, they'd be able to make a restraining device for the heroes... they would have used this on nathan to prevent him from flying away.

After reading peoples posts about the room disabling powers its got me thinking. I'm not totally discrediting it, because this show is obviously about "supernatural". I'm just seeing it as, 'How does the room disable powers?' Isn't it a bit far-fetched to say that the room has powers to stop powers?

Just my $0.02, get a little discussion

I think you need to go little farther back than that scene...

Matt also initially resisted Eve, but she eventually won out... Sylar knew how to use his powers and when faced with threat... he used them... also Eve did get over confidant.. had she told Sylar NOT to use his powers against her, that he didn't want to harm her... then ordered him to kill himself.. well it would have been xy brains splattered against the wall.. hindsight being 20/20 and all that..

My initial thought - it might simply be that Eden's power of suggestion may be less effective if someone knows she's using it on them.

There are only two times we are aware of that it didn't work - when she tried it on HRG, and when she used it on Sylar the second time. They were both fully aware of what she was trying to do.

Suggestion is a subtle art, not an overt attack. It's similar to sneaking up from behind in the shadows.

As for Sylar finally being able to use his powers in captivity, as others have said, he finally got enough of his strength back after the fall for one big adrenalene-filled telekinetic "grab", but lacked the strength to do much more.

Good point there, and too all the people who are saying that the room is blocking powers, any evidence or any ideas how it would be done?

No real evidence per se, but sinc HRG has been in the super tracking business (or at least studying them), since he adopted Claire, I'm sure they would have come up with some technological advances that could confine those with special abilities...as well as the ability to disable it if need be. Just a guess.

If not, they could use the Haitian's (or even HRG's if he has them) mind capabilities to make the super *think* he is unable to get out. This is plausable, but I won't go into any detail since it may be outside the scope of this board.

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If you tell me how exactly the powers work, I'll suggest a few ways how they might be suppressed.
Without over-analyzing anything, it's obvious they had some reason to believe that he wouldn't be able to escape even if they weren't watching him.

Reviewing the previous episode, when Glasses-man is 'interviewing' the Voice, it sounds as though her power was not suppressed, as her voice carried the same tones as other instances of her use of ability. I think that the ineffectiveness of her ability at that time came from the Haitian, who likely was preventing alterations to Glasses-man's mind, or possibly re-writing her imperatives before they could be acted upon.

However, Glasses tells Sylar that his abilities "won't work here" so that leaves us scratching our heads. It is also evident that the Haitian was nowhere nearby, as Glasses meets him in the front lobby of the building, while Sylar is locked up in the (presumably large) basement.

Personally, I would suspect some kind of manipulation, rather than something linked to the room itself. But, we won't know until the producers decide to stop teasing us and just tell us how it works. Probably after we fans have thrown it back and forth long enough to get a few good ideas out, and they can just pick the solution they like the best. After all, why pay a writer to think of an answer to something when fans will do it better, and for free?

I'm not saying I know the answers, but were getting a lot of stuff about evolution, and saying about a room that disables powers is going offboard a bit? Just my personal opinion.



I hope it would be more of the manipulation angle or some sort, something due to the haitians power disabling (thing?) Not sure about his powers so I can't go with that angle yet but i'm hoping it would be more to do with that, than a room which blocks it.

I don't know if anyone picked up on this but when HRG is talking to Sylar at the part where he is like you lost a lot of blood that whole scene well when Sylar is talking about Claire and how she is going to be his next victim he puts his hands on the glass and you hear a ticking noise of a clock. and before that he talks about how he sees things tick. just a thought

Didn't they have to talk through an Intercom because of the glass? Could her power be transmitted through a speaker?

Sorry, I was just trying to be funny. (Forgive me, I'm Canadian. )

I hope that they don't just do the "power-disabling room" angle either. It's a cop-out really.
It is *possible* to manipulate minds (which papa suresh said is what governs the abilities) using electromagnetic fields. A guy named Tesla figured that out, and gave all the major powers of the world a piece of his research into it so that the only way anyone could do something with it is if all the nations worked together (which will not happen for a long time).
So if you could figure out the how, it may be possible to switch off someone's ability that way, but it would be so complex that it might switch off other parts of the brain too, like concious thought, or any/all of the senses. We still havent figured out all the effects of an EM field on the human mind/body.


At the moment I think I'll tend towards the "They were c**ky and he was biding his time" theory though.

Don't worry about it



I think you could be right there, rather than the Haitian was in the area, or that the room was restricting his power.

Eden was not c**ky, she was was trying to do something right so

no one else would die. I wish they would bring her back. But I am

also wondering why Sylar wasnt affected.

Don't forget that the Haitian can't block all powers. He could suppress Matt's telepathy, but couldn't prevent brother Petrelli flying away... So I think that the Haitian is just a sort of telepath with some memory-erasing capabilities. I don't think he can prevent Sylar from using all his acquired abilities.

As for how Eden couldn't force Sylar to blow himself, I think that is a plot hole left behind that won't be resolved.

Which doesn't dampen my interest in the show at all

Aware of what she is about to do or not doesn't help you against her power.

HRG were able to resist only because the Haitian were blocking her power like any other psychic power.

That's his power.

As about why her power didn't worked against sylar, I would say they just wanted her to go of the show heroically and thats it.

Otherwise it wouldn't make any sense since Sylar can't block or avoid her power.