"Godsend"

FOLLOWING PAINFUL REVELATIONS AND SHOCKING CHANGES, MANY "HEROES" STRUGGLE TO MOVE FORWARD AS A NEW HERO (GUEST STAR CHRISTOPHER ECCLESTON) IS REVEALED -- Picking up two weeks after recent events, Nathan's (Adrian Pasdar) determination to save a comatose Peter (Milo Ventimiglia) forces him to turn to Simone (Tawny Cypress) for help. Isaac's (Santiago Cabrera) puzzling "Hiro vs. T-Rex" painting inspires Hiro (Masi Oka) and Ando (guest star James Kyson Lee) to search for the pictured samurai sword. Jessica (Ali Larter) struggles against Niki's decision to turn herself into police. With his associate Eden dead and Matt (Greg Grunberg) on his heels, H.R.G. (Jack Coleman) tries to focus on his orders regarding Sylar (guest star Zachary Quinto). After being offered a choice by the Haitian (guest star Jimmy Jean-Louis), Claire (Hayden Panettiere) struggles with changes her decision has wrought. Taking up his father's quest, Suresh (Sendhil Ramamurthy) attempts to share information about who is "on the list" of people with special abilities and the threats to their lives. Meanwhile, a new hero (guest star Christopher Eccleston) makes a shocking debut. Leonard Roberts and Noah Gray-Cabey also star. Thomas Dekker, Clea DuVall, Lisa Lackey and Cristine Rose guest star.

Hmmmmmmmmm, I guess the memory wipe isn't the bye-bye of Zach that some were actually hoping for!

I think a lot of us kinda got that from the previews.

Thanks for posting this, Alexfveditor86. Nice to have official confirmation about the episode - name, description and who's in!

Seems like so many storylines are going on...each character will problem have a screen time of...2 mintues?

Nathan ask Simone for help regarding comatose Peter? I mean HOW can she help? She's not that hot, u know,

Wonder if Peter will be awake or just lie in bed for couple of episodes...eww, that'd sux

TWO WEEKS? Woah. Considering the first 11 episodes took place in about 3 weeks, that's a massive jump. Assuming that "recent events" refers to Peter's collapse, that means we're like a week or two from the election, and that means that potentially a lot happened that we missed.

GRR! It's like "Lay Down Your Burdens Part II" (the new BSG) all over again!

Hah. That's Heroes for ya!


Actually, I'm thinking it could be that Nathan's been with Peter almost 24/7 and NEEDS to get back to his campaign (and family!), so he turns to the closest? friend he knows Peter has, Simone. After all, he did see them together in his place, and Simone just went through caregiving for her dad so would know a thing or two about comas, etc. She and Nathan are also already connected via the Linderman painting and possibly her wealthy dad (hence, her attendance at his campaign)


I'm actually glad we get 2 weeks in between, and it's thankfully not quite the BSG time jump that fans got last year. IMO, it's a nice change, and it should AVOID us seeing Peter in bed all the time without diluting the seriousness of him having a coma and the urgency of the election and explosion in NYC.

Veeerrrryyy interesting!

Two weeks is a long time, but maybe they want to move the storylines along and inch us ever so much closer to the Big Bang!
Peter in a coma, if I had that dream you can bet I wouldn't want to wake up from it. I wonder how long Claire can keep up the charade of pretending to lose her memories and how soon it will be before Zach gets them back if he does. I wonder what role Claude plays in all of this (besides mentoring Peter of course. His role in the final analysis). I wonder who else is on the list and what Hiro, Ando, and Isaac are going to do. And I wonder why it's not the 22nd yet so I can stop wondering!

I never thought it was it for zach. Even if his memory is wiped she knows him too well. He may not remember but the haitian can't take away who he is. I think Zach and Claire will still turn out as friends and he'll help her.

Claire is in a dangerous spot, being next to her father when she is starting to learn who and what he is, while pretending not to remember anything.

she's playing Fox Mulder's game now, "keep your friends close, but keep your enemies closer"

Awww cool. At least with two week gap we dont have to have a bunch of episodes where Peter is in a coma. Plus it puts us closer to the big bomb and who or what it is.

As long as Peter is in a coma long enough for Claire to come and see him in the hospital. Ohh a meeting between Claire and Simone... I can smell the drama.

In the clip when Claire said she wants to speak to Peter, who's she with? Zach/Haitian or HRG?

I thinks she is talking with the Haitian. She would want to ask somebody that wasn't HRG so she can make sure Peter didn't forget her. The Haitian is the only one that would be able to remember except HRG and that would give up the shirade. She would either have to get an excuse to go to NYC without HRG or go without telling him in hope she is not discovered. She would then have to get back home like when she died before HRG notices anything. The only other choice is for her to look up his phone number and talk to him over the phone which is what I woud do before asking anybody else. This would keep this secret between Peter and her. But then you have the new charactor that can read the internet which could inform HRG of what she is doing.

Awesome -- thanks for posting!

My theory? Zach is going to die -- HRG finds out that he knows again, and something happens so the Haitian can't erase his memory.

That'd be the easiest way to write him out, since Dekker took that Sara Chronicles gig.

2 weeks!

Hows that possible when Hiro presumably went 6 months back from 24 October to 24 April and the bomb is going off 5 November (12 days after episode 10)

If this is true then either the writers truly messed up with the timeline or something been changed and the bomb goes off later.

Actually the bomb is set to explode on November 8th. And I dont think it was October 24 when he went back six months. When he went into the future by his watch it was October 2nd. I dont know how many days were supposed to have passed between episode 2 and episode 10 but I dont think it was that many.

According to Claire in "Genesis" (which was October 1-2), homecoming (Episode 9) was "three weeks from today" and Episode 10 was the day after that. So yeah, Homecoming was right around the 24th.

looks like claire will be letting zach film her again so she has him to share with once more. or so i noticed in the previews that is...

YAY..Zach will still be there?

Claire miscounted in episode one about homecoming being three weeks from then. It was at most two weeks from then, Episode 1 takes place on October first for the most part except for hiro's story which takes place on the second, in episode 2 Claire reads the local paper the date on it is the second, Niki in episode 2 is still taking place on the 1st of October.

When I have the time I will sift through each episode writing up the timeline of events in a much closer order than they are shown within each episode. Between Japan, New York, Texas, Las Vegas, and California the times of events can be very confusing as they are viewed within each episode because of the time difference between all of the locations.

Just by what ive been able to start laying out time wise I would say that homecoming was between the 10th-12th of October. Godsend is supposed to take place two weeks after the events of episode 11 and that was the day after homecoming which would be between the 11th-13th. Meaning that Godsend takes place between the 24th-27th of October.

I think what happened was that some of the scenes in the premier were from a pilot episode and the timeline was not established back then. Episode 2 is pretty much agreed as being Oct. 2 or 3rd (HRG looks at a paper dated the 3rd early in that episode) and based on events in other episodes, I come up with a date of Oct 11th for episode 11 and October 25th for episode 12 so we are pretty close. See this page for my post including the timeline as I see it:

http://www.9thwonders.com/boards/index.php...39971&st=20

I don't think anyone else has actually looked at the hotel invoice that Nathan signed. It said Arrived on Oct. 5th, departed Oct. 6th. This cements episode 5 right where it should be in the timeline I developed.

Do the writers even care about this show because they don't seem to be very consistent. The fact that this many people are confused and discussing the issue indicates the writers clearly aren't paying enough attention to the details. It's never a good sign when a show picks up again "two weeks after recent events."

I guess the immediate events following the dramatic cliff hanger, in which we have seen Niki turning herself in, Peter collapsing on the side walk, the Haitian grabbing Claire to finally speak for the first time, and Eden blowing her brains out while Sylar has broken the glass and is now possibly free to escape, are suddenly insignificant. lol. Oh vey, they need better writers! Maybe they should take two weeks off to find some writers who can write a consistent story and not get it so jumbled up in the process, instead of just advancing the story out of convenience.

Well, seeing as Peter stays in a coma for a while, Sylar gets recaptured, most of the time jail is sorta boring sitting around, and I can only stand about 5 consecutive minutes of "Claire's normal day" (ugh, screw HS melodrama), I don't think that we'll have shot past anything earthshaking. The only people who could have been up to something would have been Hiro and Isaac.

The actions pre-break aren't insignificant, but the events that follow them are sort of boring. Once you've had a 15 second clip of "the doctors tell Nathan & MaMaPetrelli that they have no f***ing clue what's wrong with Peter" and a 10 second clip of "Sylar's new jail cell is a bit more secure", a 10 second clip of Nikki sitting looking forlorn in a jail cell, and a bit of "Nathan's still running for Congress", you get to show how Claire is fooling her dad*, which is probably kind of hard.

Don't say that the writing sucks, because it's actually rather decent. Just because they're not doing things the way you'd do them doesn't mean that they don't have a consistent plan. And since the show is one of the hits of the fall, it's safe to say that the writing staff isn't entirely clueless. I mean, they've had 11 good-quality episodes without a stinker so far and the show is very popular, which isn't the result of a string of good luck from otherwise incompetent people.

Most of the "consistency problems" seem to stem from Claire's "three weeks" declaration, but that only comes up if you assume that Claire is being completely literal (in the 21 days sense), which isn't remotely possible since Homecomings is on a Friday or Saturday and when she said "3 weeks", it was a Monday-Thursday (as it was post-cheerleading practice and she had class the next day). So it's possible that she said that on a Wednesday and homecomings was two weeks from that Saturday.


* = I'd go for "how was school, darling?", "Fine daddy, how was work?" "Same as usual." (obviously with better lines) followed by Claire going up into her room, taking a knife out of some hidden compartment, cutting herself and watching it heal (yes, that's gonna ****** someone off), but I'm not one of their writers.

I agree 100% with seversilence.
Well written post...

IMHO, no matter how good or 'consistent' the writers are, the timeline and content will be picked apart and analyzed. That's part of the fun! To inspire us to ask questions. With a storyline as great as this, there are just some things that will be left unsnswered for a while.

Here is something that might help with timeline.

On ep 11 Mohinder was talking to an organization with a quantico office. He told them that:

1) James Walker died 9 days ago
2) Charlie died 2 days ago
now we know that homecoming was yesterday when Jackie died
Now im not certain but I think James walker died on Oct. 3rd
If this is correct then today is the 12th and homecoming was the 11th.

And I agree that there is a lot of questions but thats why NBC made this web site. So that people can say good and bad thing, go against and for everything on the show. How many other shows have this media out there plus blogs plus letting us see the shows anytime you want plus cartoons. I do not recall any other, which mean they want the confusion, the comments and so what. For all we know they are looking at this post right now to get insperation for future shows, correct mistakes that they made, or redirect the show if it is too predictable. What fun is a show that everybody can predict what is going to happen.

But NBC didn't make this website...

Now that's weird because Claire said that Homecoming was 'three weeks from today' (Genesis), and now we are skipping ahead two weeks into the future? That means that there are only a few days left until the explosion.

So, does this mean that we are assuming that the next 11 episodes are the final hours before the explosion? Or has Hiro changed something in the timeline to set back the explosion date?

This is an interesting theory of mine...

the OP does make alot of sense. not just the fact that it's a few days left until the explosion(that still begs alot of questions too, good for pointing that out) but moving ahead 2 weeks, obviously. there's got to be a good reason why they're going to cut out two weeks. another twist coming up? obviously time is missed here, so surely hiro plays a big role in this twist.

Watched this episode yesterday. Wasn't blown away.(no pun intended) Not filler, but not fantastic either.

Got kind of an explanation for the helix symbol from Ando & Hiro...I thought I caught a glimpse of Mohinder's father in the museum, can't be sure. I'll have to re-watch.
We see the image from Isaac's Hiro painting...
Nikki...yawn.
Nathan Petrelli's character seems inconsistent...as does Matt's partner.

End of episode 11 = Oct 11th or 12th. Beginning of Godsend = Oct 25th or 26th. Plenty of time before the election to finish out the season.

http://www.9thwonders.com/boards/index.php...39971&st=20



You mean the preview? Godsend won't be seen until next Monday. Unless you know someone on the inside and if you do, you shouldn't be posting it here. Spoilers are one thing but pre-release of an episode,,,, sacrilege. Now tell me where I can see it!

Advanced copy. Some SFX need to be completed. I wanted to give mostly general feelings about the episode, some facts, w/o spoiling it for everyone else. Low-key spoilers. And I wouldn't give out this info in the General thread. If I've offended, I apologize.

Not offended, just send me the d*mn file. I'll do the sound effects for you!

I don't have a file of it. It was a screener. I would suggest getting a job in the entertainment industry if you want to count yourself among those lucky enough to see the episode a full 4-5 days in advance. Yatta!

Been there, done that, but stuck in Ohio there is not a lot of opportunities to get included in the mainstream but it was just a joke man. Didn't expect you to really do it.

I dont see what's inconsistant about the story. Picking up two weeks after we left off. OK, cuz who needs a bunch of episodes with Peter in a coma, Niki in jail, Sylar in drugged lockdown and such filler like that. We're jumping right back into the meat of the story.

The point is, if the writing was consistent the story would be able to pick up exactly where it left off and get the audience exactly where they want them to be by the end of the following episode without having two by pass any chunk of time. Resolve the cliff hanger and find a creative way to advance the plot two weeks, if you feel it's imperative to move forward quickly. The whole concept of the cliff hanger is to leave the audience on the edge of their seat dying to know what happens next, by opening the following episode two weeks later they just said they lacked the creativity to pick up the story where it left off and they did it more for ratings than for relevance to the story. I don't expect you to understand, it's obvious from your comment you didn't really get the point I had made anyway. No big deal.

I DO get the point you made about the writers needing to skip time, but I disagree with you. I believe it's perfectly acceptable to skip through the stuff that's boring because - honestly - the biggest cliffhanger was Peter's dream, and he's still in a coma. You can't really resolve a cliffhanger if the only person with information is in a vegatative state.

Also, for a bit of constructive criticism, "you wouldn't understand" is one of the two worst arguments you can make if you want to establish a point. Because 1) you actually don't know if the person understood, their background, etc. and are underestimating their intelligence a bit, in most cases and 2)making an excuse to not completely back up a point, which should be and understandable, if not agreeable, thing if it is truly valid. The other horrible argument is "well, the other side does it, so it's fine if we do it".

This is trying to help everyone on the boards become better debaters, not just you! No offense is intended!

The only storyline that needs to be picked up right where it left off is Claire's while the hatain is in her room. We will find out what Claire's answer is to his question then maybe see claire start to fake not remembering anything around her dad that same night. After which the story jumps forward to weeks.

Peter went into a coma and has been that way for 2 weeks this we know from the comics and what is stated in the episode 12 clips that are out right now. Nathan brings his brother back to new york and sits around waiting to see if peter will wake up.

Isaac has had enough of texas, most like he will have a short talk with H.R.G about feeling good enough to go home or something like that. So with H.R.G's help all of Isaac's paintings will go back to new york with him.

Hiro & Ando will spend their time traveling to new york and trying to figure out where the sword is.

Niki/jessica is on her way to jail

D.L & Micah are heading back to vegas and will get used to being at home with each other.

Matt is busy watching H.R.G to see what hes up to and begins to mount enough evidence to bring a swat team down on primatech paper.

Im not trying to discount your opinion I just don't agree. I dont see how them skipping ahead two weeks shows a lack of creativity. It makes the situations the characters were in at the end of Fallout seem that much more dire. If anything, it says the writers are not going to bother with all that filler stuff(fluff it that suits better), the viewers dont need that. A lot of shows do that, they have two-three weeks worth of episodes where nothing of profound significance happens and that is boring. Who wants to watch a show where the characters are in the exact same place as when you saw them last?

The ratings issue does factor in also. I cant say it doesnt because that would be a lie. They want to keep their audience happy. One of the reasons I stopped watching Lost was because it raised more questions with fluff episodes than it answered. That can drive some viewers away.

I'm not trying to be mean or turn this into a huge arguement. I am actually trying to get the point of what you are saying since you say I dont get it.

Well thank you all for your letting me know you don't agree with my opinion. But I'm not willing to just sit back and heap on the praise unless it is deserved and frankly I don't feel it is. The actors are working there butts off doing everything possible to make the most out of a story that is below them. If it were not for their efforts every week you could clearly see how thin the story really is. If it were not for the cast the show would never be able succeed each week, I give them all the credit in the world. The writing is bland at best.

Hmm, 2 weeks. We must be pretty close to NY going boom?
Personally i wouldnt worry too much about the episode being set 2 weeks from the late event we saw. For one, the show deals with time travel so Hiro maybe hopping off in to the future again and the blurb didnt say anything about flashbacks either. One thing I know for sure about this show is that is has some innovative ways of getting the storyline out, so im sure the time jump will be explained somehow.

The timeline has pretty much been advancing one day per episode even with Hiro jumping around in time and the retrospective "six months ago" episode. At the end of that episode we got some real time info that advanced it another day so now we are at Oct. 11th, 12th or 13th. With the next episode starting 2 weeks from then which will be Oct. 25th, 26th or 27th. With the season being 23 episodes long, that gives us 12 days to advance and if it is going to continue day by day, then that would lead us to Nov. 6th, 7th or 8th and one the 8th, the explosion is supposed to happen.

So it would appear that we will see one day pass per episode as the first 11 have done and the explosion will be the season ender. At first we were told that the season would be 22 episodes and that the season ending would have a finality to it, not a series finality but a season finality. Now we have been told there will be 23 and that they are working on a doozy of a cliffhanger. We were also told that there is an episode that is being shot that has some complex issues involving Jessica that may or may not happen. Don't know if that means going back to 22 episodes or just that that story will not be included.

So even if we do get some more time hopping and retrospective scenes, we should pretty much be on time. The reason for the 2 week jump is to let the characters develop a little on their own and also to get us back in sync with the day to day advancement of the show. Peter has been in a coma and showing two weeks of dreams would get pretty old as would seeing Jessica in custody for that amount of time, Claire trying to get Zach's memories back, Hiro stewing about Charlie,,, Although seeing Mohinder go off and try to find other heroes might be interesting we would be missing the other storylines so the jump makes perfect sense.