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defiant2007
Keep track of this...we've got a lot of things to remember now. These aren't questions on what's GOING to happen...strictly past- or present-tense stuff. I'm not really asking for the answers, just listing the questions that need to be answered so we can check them off later. =)

1. What happened to Isaac during the last two weeks? It sounds like H.R.G. might have gotten him back. Estimated Time to Answer (ETA): Sometime this season.

2. Is Niki starting to gain conscious control of Jessica's powers, or are her two personalities fusing? And what does this mean about the definition of her power...can she channel dead heroes' personalities and absorb their powers (which is what I would suspect if her storyline is going to continue past this season), or is it only Jessica? ETA: Maybe sometime this season.

3. Does any of the new dream footage answer the question of whether it's literal or symbolic? It still seems a little too surreal to be taken literally. But I could have sworn that I saw shots of Claude stealing that wallet mixed in with shots of the updated dream, implying that he really is dreaming the actual future. The dream also seemed to imply that Nathan and Simone get wasted, in shots which I now recognize from the trailers, just with the special effects deleted. ETA: End of season.

4. Why are the Haitian and Claire keeping secrets? ETA: Sometime this season.

5. Why and how did Eden show up where she did? ETA: Sometime this season.

6. Was Peter just absorbing Claude's power when he went invisible, or can Claude turn others invisible by touching them? And what other extensions might his ability have? ETA: Probably the next few episodes.

7. How and where did H.R.G. move his operation, if he moved it at all? ETA: Sometime this season.

8. Who's watching Peter? ETA: Probably the next few episodes.

9. Will Hiro ever get to fight a real T-Rex? ETA: Within the next 7 episodes.

10. Where are Claire's real birth parents? ETA: Within the next 3 episodes.

11. Who is Molly Walker and how is she significant. ETA: Who knows?

12. How will Peter get his scar? ETA: Probably season's end (in the explosion).

13. How and when will Linderman collect on DL's "debt"? ETA: Probably soon since everyone is converging in Vegas.

Other thoughts:

The list: 1 down, 35 to go. I find it hard to believe that H.R.G. will give up this easily, though. I can't believe Matt was stupid enough to stake out the same building for two weeks; maybe he's failing the cop exam for reasons besides his dyslexia =P. And could the show be getting any more blatantly derivative with the new phone game? Lost Experience anyone? =P

And we did get the answer to the question of why Claire framed her suicide attempts if she didn't want anyone to see the tape: she was doing it for her birth parents.


Any more loose ends to be watched out for? Add em below.

(And how do I get this pinned?...)
special ability 10
a) is zach going to remember his memories with claire
b)are BOTH claire's parents alive...
when she is talking to HRG, shes like and he didnt go to the adoption agency to find my real parents and haitian says something like ' they work for your father as do i"
KEYWORd-----> THEY
sassette726
Yeah, I was really thrown by Eden's body winding up in Canada. What's with that?
defiant2007
QUOTE (special ability 10 @ Jan 22 2007, 09:45 PM) *
a) is zach going to remember his memories with claire
b)are BOTH claire's parents alive...
when she is talking to HRG, shes like and he didnt go to the adoption agency to find my real parents and haitian says something like ' they work for your father as do i"
KEYWORd-----> THEY


As far as Zach goes, that's a question about the future =). But I guess we can include questions that already existed, that were brought back to the forefront by this episode and remained unanswered.

11. Where are Claire's real birth parents? (the folks H.R.G. showed Claire weren't her real parents)

Thanks, SA10 =)
iDann
QUOTE (defiant2007 @ Jan 22 2007, 11:42 PM) *
1. What happened to Isaac during the last two weeks? It sounds like H.R.G. might have gotten him back.
He said he "doesn't remember much" but he "ended up in Texas". I'm assuming HRG took him, got the painting he needed, and then wiped his brain'z.
2. Is Niki starting to pick up Jessica's powers, or are her two personalities fusing?
I think that whole baton-snap of the guard was just Jessica trying to get out somehow. I honestly don't think Niki would think they'd let her go so easily.
6. If Claude can turn others invisible just by touching them, what other applications might his ability have?
I'm pretty sure that was simply Peter absorbing his ability. Just like when Future-Hiro used his powers; everyone was stopped by Peter. (Assuming it was Peter cancelling it out, and not Hiro being extremely powerful.), or when Peter and Matt were in the same room, and their powers started bashing eachother.
7. What happened with Sylar after he killed Eden, how was he able to kill her, and how did he end up like he is now?
That was in the online comic. They show the Haitian and HRG storm in while he's staring at her body, and they shoot these weird plastic guns with syringes and such in them. (Tranquilizer Darts? But I'm hoping for something more complex.)
special ability 10
OMGGG i got a rele good idea of edens body explanation!

after she died. he used his TK to move her body there. longshot...but the only thing i can think of.
5hiro5
Im sure others noticed it, but the guy next to HRG in the lab suit and clipboard (in the Sylar's FUBAR scene) was the guy who pretended to be Claires Bio-Pop in earlier episode, right?
yamiangie
My question is how did Peter see Claude and can he control being invisable?
chrissstopher
QUOTE (defiant2007 @ Jan 22 2007, 11:42 PM) *
Keep track of this...we've got a lot of things to remember now. Don't need to answer 'em right now or speculate, and these aren't questions on what's GOING to happen...strictly past- or present-tense stuff.

1. What happened to Isaac during the last two weeks? It sounds like H.R.G. might have gotten him back.
They'll probably show it in another flashback episode like Six Months Ago. I don't agree that HRG got him back. The Haitian probably erased his memory of what they did to him before Eden gave him his pass and he left to go meet up with Hiro and Ando.

QUOTE (defiant2007 @ Jan 22 2007, 11:42 PM) *
2. Is Niki starting to pick up Jessica's powers, or are her two personalities fusing?
I thought the same thing.

QUOTE (defiant2007 @ Jan 22 2007, 11:42 PM) *
3. Does any of the new dream footage answer the question of whether it's literal or symbolic? It still seems a little too surreal to be taken literally. But I could have sworn that I saw shots of Claude stealing that wallet mixed in with shots of the updated dream, implying that he really is dreaming the actual future. The dream also seemed to imply that Nathan and Simone get wasted, in shots which I now recognize from the trailers, just with the special effects deleted.
I hope its not literal. I still refuse to believe that there are 2 main character with precog powers.

QUOTE (defiant2007 @ Jan 22 2007, 11:42 PM) *
4. Why are the Haitian and Claire keeping secrets?
I wanna know too!

QUOTE (defiant2007 @ Jan 22 2007, 11:42 PM) *
5. Why and how did Eden show up where she did?
probably something else we'll find out in the flashback ep. my guess... HRG's org decided to dump her there so that people couldnt trace her back to them and their group. First rule of a secret organization, leave no ties and no paper/people trail.

QUOTE (defiant2007 @ Jan 22 2007, 11:42 PM) *
6. If Claude can turn others invisible just by touching them, what other applications might his ability have?
I think it was Peter who synched Claude's ability... not Claude making Peter invisible.

QUOTE (defiant2007 @ Jan 22 2007, 11:42 PM) *
7. What happened with Sylar after he killed Eden, how was he able to kill her, and how did he end up like he is now?
Read the online comic to see how they caught Sylar before he escaped. And he is like he is now because they're severely drugging him.

QUOTE (defiant2007 @ Jan 22 2007, 11:42 PM) *
8. How and where did H.R.G. move his operation, if he moved it at all?
Its hidden, batcave style. I doubt he moved it.

QUOTE (defiant2007 @ Jan 22 2007, 11:42 PM) *
9. Who's watching Peter?
Another one of HRG's operatives... mayhaps Hana?

QUOTE (defiant2007 @ Jan 22 2007, 11:42 PM) *
10. Will Hiro ever get to fight a real T-Rex?
God I hope not!
Einrobstein
Nice observation dude! (5hiro5)
chrissstopher
QUOTE (yamiangie @ Jan 23 2007, 12:51 AM) *
My question is how did Peter see Claude and can he control being invisable?
The same way he was able to move when Future Hiro came back and froze time... he synched with Claude's power without even trying.
Lady Heather
QUOTE (5hiro5 @ Jan 22 2007, 10:39 PM) *
Im sure others noticed it, but the guy next to HRG in the lab suit and clipboard (in the Sylar's FUBAR scene) was the guy who pretended to be Claires Bio-Pop in earlier episode, right?


Yes.
Lady Heather
QUOTE (special ability 10 @ Jan 22 2007, 09:45 PM) *
a) is zach going to remember his memories with claire
b)are BOTH claire's parents alive...
when she is talking to HRG, shes like and he didnt go to the adoption agency to find my real parents and haitian says something like ' they work for your father as do i"
KEYWORd-----> THEY


THEY refers to the fake bio-parents who work for Mr. Bennett. As you saw later, the fake bio-Dad was in the lab.
defiant2007
Thanks for the thoughts and updates, guys and gals. I updated my original post to reflect them.

Wanna hear something funny? That issue of the online comic showing the aftermath of Eden's death...I must have read it in a hurry because I thought they were talking about Jackie, not Eden. No wonder that issue seemed so confusing. Haha, there must be some sort of special award for people as stupid as me. =)
Jacob
For the dream sequence:

I have the episode tivo'd and I watched the dream sequence and slowed it down. I think that it is a mix of literal and symbolic since there are parts such as Claude laughing and stealing the wallet and him grabbing Peter.
Mrchuckles01
I think something to keep tabs on for this season is when Linderman will call in DL's debt to him and what he might ask DL to do. My two best guesses are something to do with stopping Hiro from taking the sword or possibly asking him to turn over Micah once we find out more about his powers. ETA: Later this season
steve2112
QUOTE (defiant2007 @ Jan 22 2007, 11:42 PM) *
Keep track of this...we've got a lot of things to remember now. These aren't questions on what's GOING to happen...strictly past- or present-tense stuff. I'm not really asking for the answers, just listing the questions that need to be answered so we can check them off later. =)

1. What happened to Isaac during the last two weeks? It sounds like H.R.G. might have gotten him back. Estimated Time to Answer (ETA): Sometime this season.


It sounds to me like the Haitian did get to him and wiped the knowledge of Isaac meeting HRG, Eden, the whole shebang.

QUOTE (defiant2007 @ Jan 22 2007, 11:42 PM) *
2. Is Niki starting to gain conscious control of Jessica's powers, or are her two personalities fusing? And what does this mean about the definition of her power...can she channel dead heroes' personalities and absorb their powers (which is what I would suspect if her storyline is going to continue past this season), or is it only Jessica? ETA: Maybe sometime this season.


I think that was Nikki that broke the baton. She looked surprised she did it. I think if she realizes she holds the strength and it's not Jessica it might give her some control.

QUOTE (defiant2007 @ Jan 22 2007, 11:42 PM) *
3. Does any of the new dream footage answer the question of whether it's literal or symbolic? It still seems a little too surreal to be taken literally. But I could have sworn that I saw shots of Claude stealing that wallet mixed in with shots of the updated dream, implying that he really is dreaming the actual future. The dream also seemed to imply that Nathan and Simone get wasted, in shots which I now recognize from the trailers, just with the special effects deleted. ETA: End of season.


I got to play this back on my DVR frame by frame. I saw the same things you did.

QUOTE (defiant2007 @ Jan 22 2007, 11:42 PM) *
6. Was Peter just absorbing Claude's power when he went invisible, or can Claude turn others invisible by touching them? And what other extensions might his ability have? ETA: Probably the next few episodes.


I think Peter absorbed Claude's power and didn't know it. Maybe 2 invisible people can see eachother. The thing I thought was funny was claude was picking up peoples' stuff. Wouldn't somebody find it odd that their wallets come flying out of their purse and were floading around?

QUOTE (defiant2007 @ Jan 22 2007, 11:42 PM) *
7. How and where did H.R.G. move his operation, if he moved it at all? ETA: Sometime this season.


I don't think they moved it but they didn't seem to search the entire facility. Looks like Sylar was still in the same room.

QUOTE (defiant2007 @ Jan 22 2007, 11:42 PM) *
9. Will Hiro ever get to fight a real T-Rex? ETA: Within the next 7 episodes.


I think we saw Hiro and the Trex. Remember when he made that defiant little pose at the Trex in the museum? It was the exact pose that was in Isaac's pic. For whoever who guessed at this before, hat's off! You guys were right!
Katnight
Someone beat me to it but I was going to post that Hiro already had his scene with the T-Rex it was in the museum just before he left.
steve2112
QUOTE (Katnight @ Jan 23 2007, 11:59 AM) *
Someone beat me to it but I was going to post that Hiro already had his scene with the T-Rex it was in the museum just before he left.


BUT the scene where he was watching the little TV where the Trex ate the little dinos in the beginning was funny as h3ll! You could just see the look on his face thinking the little dinos were going to be him!

Hehehe!
zotonian
QUOTE (steve2112 @ Jan 23 2007, 11:53 AM) *
The thing I thought was funny was claude was picking up peoples' stuff. Wouldn't somebody find it odd that their wallets come flying out of their purse and were floading around?


I believe that whatever he touches becomes invisible. Unlike "the invisible man", people don't see his empty clothes walking around, so they must be invisible too. His power is more like a field of invisiblity. As soon as he's touching the wallet, it becomes invisible, you can't see it coming out of the purse.

If this is the case, it's possible that he was making Peter invisible by grabbing him, but I think it more likely that it was Peter's power that made him invisible.

The thing that gets me is that this is yet another power he is absorbing, after just recently coming out of the coma as a resault of absorbing too many powers..shouldn't that send him back into a coma?
steve2112
QUOTE (zotonian @ Jan 23 2007, 12:17 PM) *
I believe that whatever he touches becomes invisible. Unlike "the invisible man", people don't see his empty clothes walking around, so they must be invisible too. His power is more like a field of invisiblity. As soon as he's touching the wallet, it becomes invisible, you can't see it coming out of the purse.

If this is the case, it's possible that he was making Peter invisible by grabbing him, but I think it more likely that it was Peter's power that made him invisible.

The thing that gets me is that this is yet another power he is absorbing, after just recently coming out of the coma as a resault of absorbing too many powers..shouldn't that send him back into a coma?


I agree it had to be claude making the wallet and the phone invisible when he touched it. I know if I saw my wallet floating around, it would be very strange.. And I think that most likely Peter became invisible himself when he got close to Claude because he saw him. maybe 2 invisible people can see eachother.

But yes the overload thing is interesting. Could somehow the coma "reset" him? But you would think he's back on his way to overloading all over again.
delusions_of_grandeur
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3. Does any of the new dream footage answer the question of whether it's literal or symbolic? It still seems a little too surreal to be taken literally. But I could have sworn that I saw shots of Claude stealing that wallet mixed in with shots of the updated dream, implying that he really is dreaming the actual future. The dream also seemed to imply that Nathan and Simone get wasted, in shots which I now recognize from the trailers, just with the special effects deleted. ETA: End of season.
One thing we know it isn't is Peter acting as Sylar. I just re-watched the detailed dream scene (before Peter woke up from his coma). he said to Nathan that he "took his power(Teds maybe)," and that he "Can't control it." I also saw Claude just like you did. I would guess that the dream is literal.


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I think something to keep tabs on for this season is when Linderman will call in DL's debt to him and what he might ask DL to do. My two best guesses are something to do with stopping Hiro from taking the sword or possibly asking him to turn over Micah once we find out more about his powers. ETA: Later this season


I thought Hiro ended up getting the sword during Mohinder's epilogue.

delusions_of_grandeur
Gambit
Will Hiro get the sword from Mr. Linderman? Is Hiro the Japanesse Samurai in the picture? Is that where he has to go back to in order to master his Abilities?
zemto_freemis
QUOTE (steve2112 @ Jan 23 2007, 11:22 AM) *
I agree it had to be claude making the wallet and the phone invisible when he touched it. I know if I saw my wallet floating around, it would be very strange.. And I think that most likely Peter became invisible himself when he got close to Claude because he saw him. maybe 2 invisible people can see eachother.


I think the power is mental invisibility in addition to or instead of physical invisibility. People are pretty well wired to sudden movements, whether it's something disappearing or moving when no one's touching it, so I'm not sure I buy that someone could stroll casually down the street invisibly stealing things. Plus, Claude and Peter had an argument--didn't anyone hear the disembodied voices in addition to the rattling newsboxes? Something like a Someone Else's Problem field, or Matt Keller's power in Larry Niven's book A Gift From Earth.
big mondo
QUOTE (special ability 10 @ Jan 22 2007, 09:23 PM) *
OMGGG i got a rele good idea of edens body explanation!

after she died. he used his TK to move her body there. longshot...but the only thing i can think of.



or perhaps HRG had the body moved to eliminate any chance of an investigation of the paper factory. just a thought
djearl81
Not quite from Godsend BUT...

In one of the first episodes, Matt and the Female FBI agent have a run in with Sylar. Sylar was trying to capture/kill the little girl with blonde hair...but she got away. We haven't heard anything about this little girl since then. What happened to that little girl? Why was she so important in the early Matt storyline and then just vanish?

Does anyone else wonder about this?
ZachsMind
Here's my take on the answers to these questions based on what we already know.

QUOTE (defiant2007 @ Jan 22 2007, 10:42 PM) *
1. What happened to Isaac during the last two weeks? It sounds like H.R.G. might have gotten him back.


He tells Simone this in "Godsend". He was in Texas. He doesn't recall exactly what the place was. He doesn't know about the paper company front or that HRG is Claire's father or all the stuff we know. He thinks it was a special clinic of some sort. It's possible the Haitian may have had a chance to scissorcut his brain a bit, but we saw what happened. Eden helped him break his addiction to drugs. He met Hiro & Ando, showed them he could do the painting thing without drugs, and then hitched a ride with Hiro & Ando back to New York in their Nissan Versa.

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2. Is Niki starting to gain conscious control of Jessica's powers, or are her two personalities fusing? And what does this mean about the definition of her power...can she channel dead heroes' personalities and absorb their powers (which is what I would suspect if her storyline is going to continue past this season), or is it only Jessica?
Niki/Jess's power has always been super strength. It's not the ability to channel the dead. Niki has always been able to do super strength, but she can't cope with it, which is where her alter Jess comes in to play. Niki/Jess is a traumatized woman since her childhood, and the recent discovery of super strength coupled with other recent events have drawn out this psychosis which she's had for a long time - it's just exacerbated. MPD exists because some people can only cope with stress by creating an alternate personality. It's an uncommon but documented defense mechanism of the brain. However, Niki has always been Jess, and she's always had the power. Yes I know about the tattoo disappearing and reappearing. I'm still trying to figure that part out too, but it's either that or Jessica is really a ghost randomly possessing Niki's body, and that's just silly.

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3. Does any of the new dream footage answer the question of whether it's literal or symbolic? It still seems a little too surreal to be taken literally. But I could have sworn that I saw shots of Claude stealing that wallet mixed in with shots of the updated dream, implying that he really is dreaming the actual future. The dream also seemed to imply that Nathan and Simone get wasted, in shots which I now recognize from the trailers, just with the special effects deleted.


Once Peter is exposed to any ability, he has access to it genetically but when not in the proximity of the person he got it from, it's not very strong. He is potentially much more powerful than Sylar ever can be. Peter just doesn't know how to consciously tap into a power when he's not in proximity. However, when unconscious, premonitions can come and go as they please. So that's why he's getting premonition dreams even when Issac isn't around. Just as Issac doesn't need drugs to paint the future, Peter doesn't need Isaac there to get premonitions, or need Claire there to regenerate. However, he doesn't know this yet. Maybe that's what the invisible guy will help him find out.

If Peter doesn't leave New York, he fears he may aquire Ted's explosive abilities. Being unable to control them consciously, he'll risk killing everyone he loves. His dream is a worst case scenario thing, but unlike Isaac's paintings, it's not necessarily absolutely going to happen. Issac's paintings have mostly been spot on. Peter's not batting a thousand though. His premonitions so far have been more of a possible thing that's more easily changed.

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4. Why are the Haitian and Claire keeping secrets?
If you had a Dad/Boss who was creeping you out, wouldn't you?

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5. Why and how did Eden show up where she did?


HRG had his people dispose of the body in a manner that wouldn't connect her back to them.

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6. Was Peter just absorbing Claude's power when he went invisible, or can Claude turn others invisible by touching them? And what other extensions might his ability have?
Peter was talking on the cellphone, and looked over to notice a guy blatantly (not trying to hide what he was doing at all) rummaging through someone's belongings. Peter was unaware at the moment, but he was already invisible. Peter noticed no difference, cuz that is apparently how it works for Claude. Claude can see himself, so he can see Peter. Peter was in Claude's proximity, and it's already been established that's how Peter's power mimic works. When in the proximity of a new powered human, he mimics the power automatically. He doesn't turn it on or off. It just happens. He has no real control over it.

This is again, why Peter really can't get close to the burning man. Cuz the first time he does, he's gonna burn without realizing it. Boom. So he's trying to get to Nevada, thinking that will be safe for him. Ironically, that's where Ted is now. Boom.

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7. How and where did H.R.G. move his operation, if he moved it at all?


Hide in plain sight. There's no reason to move his operation just cuz the FBI is sniffing around. It's underneath the paper company. He's built a respectfully impressive front. The cops raided it and couldn't find the underbelly. His operation is safe for now. It's still the paper company.

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8. Who's watching Peter?
Claude, obviously. Just as Eden was a plant for Mohinder, Claude is a plant for Peter. Eden worked for HRG. Claude must be too. I also believe Simone's in on it, working perhaps directly with Linderman instead of through HRG. We'll find that out when Simone delivers Hiro to Linderman under the pretext of getting that sword for him.

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9. Will Hiro ever get to fight a real T-Rex?


Early on I thought the dino must have been a diversionary tactic on the part of the writers, and it was gonna be a museum piece or something. I probably surmised that after watching A Night At The Museum with Ben Stiller. However, it's too easy. It's possible the writers did that to be cute, and some time before now and the end of the first season, Hiro will somehow go up against an actual dinosaur, either by going back in time, or he'll encounter a shapeshifter hero who turns into a dino during an altercation with Hiro.

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10. Where are Claire's real birth parents?


I wanted to think Hana/Wireless was gonna be Claire's real birth mom. Now I'm not so sure. I think HRG is her real Dad, pretending to be her adopted Dad, to hide the fact that HRG has a power too - the power to supress other people's powers.

"And could the show be getting any more blatantly derivative with the new phone game? Lost Experience anyone? =P "

Alternate Reality Games or ARGs have been going on since long before The Lost Experience. At least fifteen years now. It's the newest fad. So I woulda been surprised if they didn't try this. Looking forward to seeing how it plays out.
wishing to be jessica
Adding to a few of the thoughts:

It's strange enough that Issac can paint the future and tells Somone but to tell her that he was kidnapped by some guy who made him paint and got him clean. It's easier to say he doesn't remember and that he's clean.
-----side note: it's not really important to the other characters where Issac has been but that the paintings are back together.

I think the science of how the invisiable guys power works but at the same time it doesn't. Peter absorbed yet another power. He needs to learn how to control them before they get the better of him.

Alot of things are going to come to a head in Vegas. Everyone seems to be heading there directly or indirectly. Nathan will go cause he will realize that is where Peter is going and because the group that he's becoming involved with is going to Lindermen. Nathan and Somone are the only ones with direct dealings with Linderman.

Is Somone working for Linderman or HRG? Good Question!
AmiLouise
QUOTE (wishing to be jessica @ Jan 23 2007, 11:50 AM) *
Adding to a few of the thoughts:

It's strange enough that Issac can paint the future and tells Somone but to tell her that he was kidnapped by some guy who made him paint and got him clean. It's easier to say he doesn't remember and that he's clean.
-----side note: it's not really important to the other characters where Issac has been but that the paintings are back together.

His memories of being kidnapped by HRG were erased by the Haitian. That's why he doesn't tell them that he was kidnapped.

QUOTE (wishing to be jessica @ Jan 23 2007, 11:50 AM) *
Alot of things are going to come to a head in Vegas. Everyone seems to be heading there directly or indirectly. Nathan will go cause he will realize that is where Peter is going and because the group that he's becoming involved with is going to Lindermen. Nathan and Somone are the only ones with direct dealings with Linderman.


Similar to Stephen King's The Stand, where all the characters converge in Las Vegas. It's all about good vs. evil, and Las Vegas is "Sin City." Coincidence?
madwestsidedesi
Did anyone notice that, during Peter's dream sequence, the only non-"Hero" in anywhere was Simone?
Whats up with that?
-MWD
YoShIe
My question is: knowing that HRG managed to somehow get ahold of the first tape from Zach and knowing that she's supposed to be trying to hide the fact that she knows she's a metahuman because the Haitian is supposed to have wiped her memory, why make another tape? HRG is just going to find that one too and it'll start all over again.
MRae
QUOTE (madwestsidedesi @ Jan 23 2007, 12:25 PM) *
Did anyone notice that, during Peter's dream sequence, the only non-"Hero" in anywhere was Simone?
Whats up with that?
-MWD


wasn't ando there as well? and mohinder?

xx
Amayirot akago
QUOTE (YoShIe @ Jan 23 2007, 09:37 PM) *
My question is: knowing that HRG managed to somehow get ahold of the first tape from Zach and knowing that she's supposed to be trying to hide the fact that she knows she's a metahuman because the Haitian is supposed to have wiped her memory, why make another tape? HRG is just going to find that one too and it'll start all over again.
My guess is she'll take good care not to let the tape out of her sight this time. She recorded it in case her memory would be wiped sometime in the future so she wouldn't forget.
iDann
QUOTE (zotonian @ Jan 23 2007, 12:17 PM) *
I believe that whatever he touches becomes invisible. Unlike "the invisible man", people don't see his empty clothes walking around, so they must be invisible too. His power is more like a field of invisiblity. As soon as he's touching the wallet, it becomes invisible, you can't see it coming out of the purse.

If this is the case, it's possible that he was making Peter invisible by grabbing him, but I think it more likely that it was Peter's power that made him invisible.

The thing that gets me is that this is yet another power he is absorbing, after just recently coming out of the coma as a resault of absorbing too many powers..shouldn't that send him back into a coma?
I don't know exactly why he went into the coma, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't from absorbing too many powers. I'm thinking it either involves the whole dream-ability, or he just went into crazy trauma.

Then again; if it WERE from all the powers; maybe 2 weeks in a coma cleaned his system?
maybesomeday998
QUOTE (steve2112 @ Jan 23 2007, 11:53 AM) *
I think we saw Hiro and the Trex. Remember when he made that defiant little pose at the Trex in the museum? It was the exact pose that was in Isaac's pic. For whoever who guessed at this before, hat's off! You guys were right!



haha you got to it first! that little pose WAS him "fighting" a dinosaur... he posed and the dinosaur looked the same too...

sorry to dissapoint you...
MrsLinderman
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1. What happened to Isaac during the last two weeks? It sounds like H.R.G. might have gotten him back.
I thought that was odd at first too, since he shouldn't he have been free for the last two weeks, and missing for some time before that? We saw him leave HRG hero-rehab in the last episode, which leaves 2 weeks unaccounted for. Maybe he is suspicous of Simone (I know I am), or just didn't want to sound even crazier than he already does to her.

Isaac's not the only one with a screwed up timeline. I can't help but feel like we are being jerked around a bit...on purpose. I get the feeling that the timelines are not supposed to match up, but we are supposed to assume they do and then be surprised at the twist. It's like we are watching a pulp fiction-esque switcheroo. This opens up a lot of interesting possibilities.

What if the Matt storyline happened in the past? What if Matt saved the young Claire from Sylar and that's how HRG got her? We saw at least one dead parent of the little blonde girl, I think it was a frozen man with his head cut open? If not then that was another hero killed by sylar. (Another ability of sylar's we haven't seen since) but there was definate mention of dead family around the little girl.

How many little blonde heroes with dead/missing parents could be on the show? Notice the little girl storyline went missing and HRG's obsession with keeping her safe. Claire could have been adopted by HRG, then had her memory erased and changed so she didn't remember. It didn't have to be when she was a baby. I think HRG's ability will turn out to be somehow related to this time discrepency, maybe.

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2. Is Niki starting to gain conscious control of Jessica's powers, or are her two personalities fusing? And what does this mean about the definition of her power...can she channel dead heroes' personalities and absorb their powers (which is what I would suspect if her storyline is going to continue past this season), or is it only Jessica?
I'm going to go with the simple answer on this one...right from the beginning they describe her as "the woman with the alter ego", so that's what I think she is.

I think she has the ability to create alter egos in herself and potentially reproduce her own DNA into clones. I think she created the alter to help when her life started going crazy, then she was kidnapped by HRG for hero-rehab and somehow they only trained the alter (explains her knowledge of guns etc) and only "activated" the alter's mutant DNA, thus giving the alter a different ability of it's own? Maybe the genetic marker that is passed down parent to child (or Nikki to alter) is just the potential of an ability, not the ability itself? Like how Micah has a very different power than either of his parents when he should have some form of the same mutation?

I'd say most of the missing days she attributes to alcoholism were erased days when she was training with HRG and crew. I think the tattoo was given to her after she completed her training, only it was really given to her alter ego, Jessica, so Nikki doesn't have it. Nikki still has the ability to create alters, but she doesn't know it. She really is two different people, maybe more. Maybe we are seeing the birth of another alter Nikki, this one with the strength of Jess but the heart of Nik?

Or maybe she also has the ability to swallow up her alters, and retain their powers too? Maybe she is reabsorbing Jessica since she doesn't need her anymore?


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3. Does any of the new dream footage answer the question of whether it's literal or symbolic? It still seems a little too surreal to be taken literally. But I could have sworn that I saw shots of Claude stealing that wallet mixed in with shots of the updated dream, implying that he really is dreaming the actual future. The dream also seemed to imply that Nathan and Simone get wasted, in shots which I now recognize from the trailers, just with the special effects deleted.

I think this is both. I think Peter exploding is literal, but like the dinosaur, the writers are having a bit of fun cloaking it. If you look at the painting, the person is not just exploding, he looks like he is flying too. I say Peter saves the city by absorbing the bomb and flying it away where he explodes. It's a very superman thing to do. So at the finale we will assume he is dead and that he sacrificed himself but remember when Hiro said something to him along the lines of, "You look so different without the scar"? and also remember he absorbed Claire's invincibilty and healing. So, I say he lives, saves the city, but is badly disfigured in the process.

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. Why are the Haitian and Claire keeping secrets?
No clue...yet.

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5. Why and how did Eden show up where she did?


I think there is a tie-in to the Hana comic...wasn't there a cold arctic training center or something? Maybe Eden's body was brought up there for testing and then buried?

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6. Was Peter just absorbing Claude's power when he went invisible, or can Claude turn others invisible by touching them? And what other extensions might his ability have?
Interesting, not sure how this is one is going to play out either.

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7. How and where did H.R.G. move his operation, if he moved it at all?


Same place, different time?

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8. Who's watching Peter?
Us..obviously obsessively!

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9. Will Hiro ever get to fight a real T-Rex?
Doubt it

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10. Where are Claire's real birth parents?
My guess is her dad was the brainsickle, her mom...tbd.



My Questions:


HRG and Linderman

Is it me or are they making HRG more relatable and less a villian? Even their hero-rehab wasn't really sinister. Unethical, maybe, but not evil in the conventional sense.

Are they setting us up for his mystery group to be good (training and brainwashing the heroes to save/protect the world and not use them for evil?) and the Linderman Group to be evil?

Is HRG after the list not for his own use (since he has been doing alright on his own for years) but he is just afraid the list will get into Linderman's hands?

Are we in for a surprise about Linderman? Have we already met him, maybe?



SIMONE

How is it that Simone knows and interacts with at least 3 heroes on a regular basis, even had a father with a precog dream, and yet is "normal" herself?

Why is she always in the thick of things, encouraging people, yet all the while she acts like she thinks everyone has gone crazy?

Is she really in love with any of them?

Are they really in love with her...or is that maybe her power?
steve2112
QUOTE (zemto_freemis @ Jan 23 2007, 01:23 PM) *
I think the power is mental invisibility in addition to or instead of physical invisibility. People are pretty well wired to sudden movements, whether it's something disappearing or moving when no one's touching it, so I'm not sure I buy that someone could stroll casually down the street invisibly stealing things.


Hehehe! you said "invisibly"
defiant2007
Good stuff guys. I added the loose ends of Molly Walker, Peter's scar and DL's debt to Linderman; even if not all of them were connected to this episode, they're still fun to think about, so we'll let this turn into a "Loose ends AS OF Godsend" thread I guess. =)

As for the theory of Hiro's dinosaur moment having already taken place in the museum, it doesn't hold up due to one crucial detail. In Isaac's painting, Hiro is shown facing the T-rex holding what looked very much like a real, unsheathed sword. When Hiro challenged the museum piece, the fake sword was still in its sheath.

So I say the show is actually going to go all-out for its fans and give us a real T-Rex battle. If they do that, my permanent viewership will be a sealed matter. =) The only question is, how long will the battle be, how good will it look, and will this be where future Hiro introduces himself to his past version by joining (and probably winning) the battle?
iDann
QUOTE (MrsLinderman @ Jan 23 2007, 07:02 PM) *
I'm going to go with the simple answer on this one...right from the beginning they describe her as "the woman with the alter ego", so that's what I think she is.

I think she has the ability to create alter egos in herself and potentially reproduce her own DNA into clones. I think she created the alter to help when her life started going crazy, then she was kidnapped by HRG for hero-rehab and somehow they only trained the alter (explains her knowledge of guns etc) and only "activated" the alter's mutant DNA, thus giving the alter a different ability of it's own? Maybe the genetic marker that is passed down parent to child (or Nikki to alter) is just the potential of an ability, not the ability itself? Like how Micah has a very different power than either of his parents when he should have some form of the same mutation?

I'd say most of the missing days she attributes to alcoholism were erased days when she was training with HRG and crew. I think the tattoo was given to her after she completed her training, only it was really given to her alter ego, Jessica, so Nikki doesn't have it. Nikki still has the ability to create alters, but she doesn't know it. She really is two different people, maybe more. Maybe we are seeing the birth of another alter Nikki, this one with the strength of Jess but the heart of Nik?

Or maybe she also has the ability to swallow up her alters, and retain their powers too? Maybe she is reabsorbing Jessica since she doesn't need her anymore?


Well from what I got with the "Six Months Ago" episode, she had a sister, which I'm gonna speculate was her twin, who was brutally killed by her father "while protecting Niki".

I think Niki and Jessica were twins, and had the ability to link with eachother. Like their minds were connected. Basically taking the concept of Twins to the next level.

I can't really explain it. But anyway when Jessica died, her spirit/soul/etc., since it was linked to Niki, entered her. And thus they both share the same body.

Jessica just happens to be very angry/evil, while Niki is all happy/good. I'd assume Jessica having "super-strength" would be associated with the original idea that "She has the strength of two women. If both of them can pick up 90lb., then Jessica can pick up 180lb.

This was all stolen from a theory I got on the NBC boards, anyway. But it seems the most logical in my head at least.

Other than that there's not enough evidence to fully determine Niki's overall power. Same with Micah; we only know that his ability helps him fix computers.

Everyone's power has been a standard comic book power. So maybe Niki's is too and we just haven't been studying our comicbook super-powers?
IbPhoenix
The reason that the Haitian and Claire are keeping secrets is the fact that they are the only ones that know that Claire still has her memory
carl
I think peter unknowingly takes on other peoples powers like when he healed after him and clarie feel. so when claude grabbed him peter went invisible automaticly.
chrissstopher
QUOTE (MrsLinderman @ Jan 23 2007, 07:02 PM) *
I thought that was odd at first too, since he shouldn't he have been free for the last two weeks, and missing for some time before that? We saw him leave HRG hero-rehab in the last episode, which leaves 2 weeks unaccounted for. Maybe he is suspicous of Simone (I know I am), or just didn't want to sound even crazier than he already does to her.
Well, he drove with Hiro and Ando to New York from Texas. So that prob took a few days and maybe they got into something on their trip that delayed them... again, this will prob be covered in another flashback episdoe.

QUOTE (MrsLinderman @ Jan 23 2007, 07:02 PM) *
What if the Matt storyline happened in the past? What if Matt saved the young Claire from Sylar and that's how HRG got her? We saw at least one dead parent of the little blonde girl, I think it was a frozen man with his head cut open? If not then that was another hero killed by sylar. (Another ability of sylar's we haven't seen since) but there was definate mention of dead family around the little girl.
That would be interesting except for the fact that we know Matt exists in the current timeline. He has interacted with Claire, Mr. Bennet, Eden, and Peter... so we know his story is not being told from the past. We also know that Matt was a cop six months ago when he pulled over Eden. If he started working with the FBI when Claire was a little girl, why would he have gone back to being a beat cop six months ago and then back to working with the FBI now? Doesnt quite fit. Also, the little girl that Matt rescued from Sylar wasn't blonde.

QUOTE (MrsLinderman @ Jan 23 2007, 07:02 PM) *
I'd say most of the missing days she attributes to alcoholism were erased days when she was training with HRG and crew. I think the tattoo was given to her after she completed her training, only it was really given to her alter ego, Jessica, so Nikki doesn't have it.
I like that.

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I think this is both. I think Peter exploding is literal, but like the dinosaur, the writers are having a bit of fun cloaking it. If you look at the painting, the person is not just exploding, he looks like he is flying too. I say Peter saves the city by absorbing the bomb and flying it away where he explodes. It's a very superman thing to do. So at the finale we will assume he is dead and that he sacrificed himself but remember when Hiro said something to him along the lines of, "You look so different without the scar"? and also remember he absorbed Claire's invincibilty and healing. So, I say he lives, saves the city, but is badly disfigured in the process.
We havent seen any evidence of Peter being able to manifest these absorbed abilities when he's out of range but I'm sure its only a matter of time.

QUOTE (MrsLinderman @ Jan 23 2007, 07:02 PM) *
I think there is a tie-in to the Hana comic...wasn't there a cold arctic training center or something? Maybe Eden's body was brought up there for testing and then buried?
Ontario isnt arctic wink.gif

QUOTE (MrsLinderman @ Jan 23 2007, 07:02 PM) *
Is it me or are they making HRG more relatable and less a villian? Even their hero-rehab wasn't really sinister. Unethical, maybe, but not evil in the conventional sense. Are they setting us up for his mystery group to be good (training and brainwashing the heroes to save/protect the world and not use them for evil?) and the Linderman Group to be evil?
Agreed, they're employing unethical methods but not they're not evil. I haven't thought of Mr. Bennet and his organization as being evil since he explained everything to Isaac.

QUOTE (MrsLinderman @ Jan 23 2007, 07:02 PM) *
Is HRG after the list not for his own use (since he has been doing alright on his own for years) but he is just afraid the list will get into Linderman's hands?
As he explained to Claire, his motives are to protect people from the "Sylars" or "bad guys" of the world. But, who knows if anything he says is true.

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Are we in for a surprise about Linderman? Have we already met him, maybe?
I think Linderman will be a season 1 finale big reveal

QUOTE (MrsLinderman @ Jan 23 2007, 07:02 PM) *
How is it that Simone knows and interacts with at least 3 heroes on a regular basis, even had a father with a precog dream, and yet is "normal" herself?
Genes. The same way 2 parents can have blonde hair and the kid comes out with dark hair. Or the way some things skip generations... genes are unpredictable.

QUOTE (iDann @ Jan 23 2007, 10:56 PM) *
Other than that there's not enough evidence to fully determine Niki's overall power. Everyone's power has been a standard comic book power. So maybe Niki's is too and we just haven't been studying our comicbook super-powers?
I still think Niki's power is to absorb the consciousness of the dead and she took on Jessica, who just so happens to possess super-strength.

The fact that Peter absorbs powers w/o trying has been established several times over... I didn't think that people are still confused on that.
Alchemist
Isn't Molly walker the little girl Matt Parkman found hiding in the closet under the stairs?
Abraxas
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3. Does any of the new dream footage answer the question of whether it's literal or symbolic? It still seems a little too surreal to be taken literally. But I could have sworn that I saw shots of Claude stealing that wallet mixed in with shots of the updated dream, implying that he really is dreaming the actual future. The dream also seemed to imply that Nathan and Simone get wasted, in shots which I now recognize from the trailers, just with the special effects deleted. ETA: End of season.

I still hope it happens, because the show will be very interesting if it does. But for various reasons I doubt this is easy to pull off.

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5. Why and how did Eden show up where she did? ETA: Sometime this season.

It seems to be a bit elaborate to take a corpse to Canada to dispose of it, for no good reason. Maybe there's something there. Like headquarters of HRG's mysterious group?
First I thought she was dumped in a river which carried her down to Canada, but there is no river going down there...right? Geographically challenged, despite my map-work...

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6. Was Peter just absorbing Claude's power when he went invisible, or can Claude turn others invisible by touching them? And what other extensions might his ability have? ETA: Probably the next few episodes.

Peter mimiced the power, turning him invisible and somehow able to see Claude (I didn't know that was his name, by the way).

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8. Who's watching Peter? ETA: Probably the next few episodes.

What are you talking about?
I am watching him. And you, I think?

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9. Will Hiro ever get to fight a real T-Rex? ETA: Within the next 7 episodes.

No. But your ETA is funny.

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10. Where are Claire's real birth parents? ETA: Within the next 3 episodes.

Close enough, if it's going to happen in your ETA.

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11. Who is Molly Walker and how is she significant. ETA: Who knows?

How is she significant in this section? Never mind, I see where it comes from. Yeah, I wonder. She might be a hero on hold for season 6 or something.

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12. How will Peter get his scar? ETA: Probably season's end (in the explosion).

Now we moved into "general", I see...I'm going to go out on a limb and say he doesn't get his scar this season. For the sake of every Peter fan out there (not me).

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13. How and when will Linderman collect on DL's "debt"? ETA: Probably soon since everyone is converging in Vegas.

Right, I think Linderman will be revealed at the end of the second act. Seems like a good time to me.

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Thanks for the thoughts and updates, guys and gals. I updated my original post to reflect them.

Wanna hear something funny? That issue of the online comic showing the aftermath of Eden's death...I must have read it in a hurry because I thought they were talking about Jackie, not Eden. No wonder that issue seemed so confusing. Haha, there must be some sort of special award for people as stupid as me. =)

I'm afraid you'd have to share it then, because I didn't get it the first time, either! wink.gif
I thought it was a years-ago flashback...

PS: You gotta be kidding me...there's a quote-limit?
And I love quoting...
Oh no.
elketerbentzadik
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The thing that gets me is that this is yet another power he is absorbing, after just recently coming out of the coma as a resault of absorbing too many powers..shouldn't that send him back into a coma?


Who said that was why he was in the coma?
SillyMamma
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6. Was Peter just absorbing Claude's power when he went invisible, or can Claude turn others invisible by touching them? And what other extensions might his ability have?


Peter synched to Claude. As he's moving towards where Claude is, people start walking into him--obviously because he's suddenly gone invisible.

Nice touch by the director, by the way.
CelestialMystic
QUOTE (SillyMamma @ Jan 28 2007, 01:19 AM) *
Peter synched to Claude. As he's moving towards where Claude is, people start walking into him--obviously because he's suddenly gone invisible.

Nice touch by the director, by the way.


Wow - I hadn't realized that that was why. I thought it was just because he was going so fast and couldn't avoid all the people - he was invisible!
Abraxas
QUOTE (CelestialMystic @ Jan 28 2007, 06:04 PM) *
Wow - I hadn't realized that that was why. I thought it was just because he was going so fast and couldn't avoid all the people - he was invisible!

Yes. It's far easier to see - or not see, for that matter - that Peter is invisible in the scene in which Invisible Man starts fighting with Peter. There is a shot in which both of them are gone, but they kick the book stand.
I didn't think about him running into people earlier, though. Good catch SillyMamma. wink.gif
Mighty Lauren
QUOTE (Alchemist @ Jan 24 2007, 01:47 PM) *
Isn't Molly walker the little girl Matt Parkman found hiding in the closet under the stairs?


Yes. Many think that it will not be the last we see about Molly Walker. Personally, we might see her if she developes powers later since clearly her father had powers.

QUOTE (elketerbentzadik @ Jan 28 2007, 01:16 AM) *
Who said that was why he was in the coma?


I assumed it was his body trying to keep up with the massive healing from claire. I mean, what would happen if she'd only been around to heal him but so much and the rest his body had to do for itself? Maybe?
narcissus
The adopted parents work for HRG

claire's parents : WE DON'T REALLY KNOW MUCH
i think claire's mum is Hanna
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