I really love the interaction between Mohinder and HRG. But, did it remind anyone else of the many numerous arguments between Charles Xavier and Eric Lehnsherr aka Magneto? It was quite the interesting scene. Arguing about what method was best. Who should we trust. Who knows whats best for these people. All very reminiscent of the Xavier/Mags debate. Even the fact that you can identify with both sides, neither is totally good or totally bad.

My question is, are people going to eventually choose sides just like in the case of Xavier and Magneto? I mean, eventually, we could see Mohinder's team (people with a common goal, going out and finding people with special powers, helping them to understand them, and then ultimately use those powers for the betterment of mankind) and then HRG's team (evolved humans who see themselves as better than normal humans and are prepared to attack those they deem as threats in order to protect those that are close to them).

Thoughts?

I can see where your coming from with this. However, HRG side isnt necc about thinking they are "Better" than anyone, they just have a different method for handling those with gifts. Mohinder wants to find them, help them understand their powers, and warn them against people like HRG.

However, as we don't know the goal of HRG or his organization just yet, all that can really be seen is that he "tags" those with gifts to, I assume, keep tabs on them. Not really sure on that. Additionally, the organization sees fit to recruit specific people whos gifts will be most useful to them. IE Eden and her manipulation, The Haitian and his mind wipe abilities, etc. etc.

I completely agree. HRG, like Magneto, assumes he and his group know whats best for these people. Mohinder, like Xavier, wants to the learn and grow together, help them to be the bes they can be.

I was thinking Vader/Luke, with the "together, we can make a difference" stuff.

Anyone else?

Yeah it is alot like Charles and Eric, but they both have powers and they worked together first and then slip up. Maybe Moe and HRG have powers. I say no, but I think Moe may start to work with HRG later. He was thinking about it has HRG was leaving. I hope he does not.

Well,

you can see from a "preview" trailer that Peter talks to Moeh about treatment being an object of study. It seems relatively important as to what side Moeh will chose. xx;


And whoa, when did the forums get so dang fancy?!
Too bad quote responses are getting jumbled through out the thead ;x

I would like to add something.. Remember one of the earlier Episode (don't remember which one). Mohinder was in the Taxi cab and HRG was in the back seat and Mohinder acted as if he knew him and was scared of him. Does anyone remember this.. If so can anyone give more detail as I may have missed something. Maybe i need to go back and watch each episode.

It' more like Professor Xavier vs. Mr. Sinister, HRG doesn't seem to have any powers so he's an outsider that wants to control the "mutant" population. I have always compared the debate between Xavier and Magneto to that between Martin Luther King Jr. and Malcolm X.
Charles was for Unity while Magneto was for Separation. Plus the comic Xmen debuted during the civil rights battles of the sixties.

What you recall was in the pilot. Mohinder went to investigate his father's murder. Mohinder's friend in india mentions that being a cab driver is a dangerous profession, but when Mohinder visits his fathers apartment, HRG is snooping around there and hears him tell someone on the phone to get a "bag and tag" team in there. Mohinder doesn't see HRG, but it makes him suspicious that this wasn't a random murder; that his father was actually the target.

In the online comic you can see Mohinder at the taxi company looking at the extensive damage to his father's cab too. All these factors set Mohinder up to be suspicous and worried.

When HRG gets into Mohinder's cab he starts commenting on the name Suresh (it's on his cabby ID). HRG starts speaking in a slow, creepy voice about the name then mentions Mohinder's fathers name, something like "There was a Dr. Chandra Suresh." (That's not a exact quote, but it was something like that)

Mohinder ran from the cab in fear. HRG really creeped him out. Perhaps he connected the voice in the cab to the voice he heard in the apartment.

That's the scene you're probably remembering.

Also keep in mind who is HRG working for? The FBI? Linderman? Some other head honcho? That superior FBI agent who got on Matt and his partner's case could well be on the same payroll as HRG and throwing smoke screens at this point..

All that said Claire had a real disgusted look on her face when she pretended not to remember and left for school in HRG's presence..what did Haitian tell her as the secret?

in some ways hrg is a combination of sinister, stryker, and magneto...

1. afaWk, he is NOT a "mutant"/hero. sinister and magneto were both mutants so they viewed themselves as superior

2. he MAY be trying to "brew up" an ultimate mutant like sinister tried to create the ultimate omega level mutant from the summers/grey blood line [actually, he did with x-man]

3. in a way, he doesn't really like "heroes" and is eliminating them, or at least keeping tabs as did stryker with his terroist actions and also the mutant registration act

4. he does keep his own "arsenal" of heroes to "protect" himself.

mohinder is somewhat like xavier but lacks some major things

1. he doesn't really care about peace, unity, or any of those things. he only wants to make sure others don't wind up like his sister

2. he doesn't have a power [so far], so he cannot directly relate to any one hero

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i believe that the FBI/gov't will get involved and attempt to create/manipulate the abilities or mutate their own people into "heroes" I.E. weapon X program.


BUT like magneto and xavier, hrg and mohinder's "teams", you could say, will unite, not willingly, but to stop the explosion...

Now correct me if im wrong, but is there not someone controlling HRG ? Telling him what he can or can not do ? He said that Sylar deserved to die, but they wouldnt auth it. or something similar.

not really the two "leaders" going head to head as such, but mohinder vs HRG's company or organization.

Trust me you are not the first person to find the X-men/Heroes relation. I was just talking to my friend the other day who is a huge x-men fan and loves heroes and he pointed out to me the connection with how they are starting to turn Peter Petrelli into a Rogue character..there are numerous similairities in powers between the to if you do the research.

Good Topic

Was it in the pilot also? I know it was in Genesis.
In that cab scene is a nice little nod to the Matrix also...
HRG, in creepy Agent Smith-like intonations: "..a quite popular name, like...Smith, or...Anderson"

A couple people said that HRG doesn't have a power, therefore unlike Magneto, but this has not been shown yet. So far we know that he keeps others with powers around him, but this field of power negation that surrounds him at times and his company's building, as Matt found out do beg the question if HRG has powers. Maybe this has been said before, but it could be very likely that HRG has a power to negate others powers and that is maybe why it took Claire so long to recognize that she was special (assuming it is genetic and therefore always present). The main scene where I noticed this was the scene with Matt confronting HRG, he pushed him against the wall of paper and showed a lot of emotions, yet could not read anything, and Haitian was not present. Since they seem to show the Haitian as always being there when this goes powers are negated, this may go to proving he is not the catalyst.

"together, we can make a difference" made me think: "You didn't tell him what you do... how can you convince him if you don't :S"
(Yes... the ":S" was in my thoughts also)

Or does Mohinder know "who" HRG is?

I was making the connection between the characters' archetypes, not suggesting that there was a direct correlation to the X-Men characters. Powers have nothing to do with a character's personality and motivations. Not singling you out but yours was the most recent comment of that type.

reminded me of bert and ernie.

I agree with many of your points. And, again, I wasnt saying these characters were exactly the same, I was just suggesting they have many similarities.
I was thinking the same thing (about the FBI getting involved and leading to the government wanting to control people).


Right, but in the context of the show, they represent the "leaders" of the 2 schools of thought.


Yeah, there many similarities between Rogue and Peter but also many differences. I didn't want to turn this into an "Heroes is X-Men lite" discussion but yeah, I see your point.

Thanks

What was the deal with HRG having the gun in the apartment?

i have thought that mohinder was very much like Professor X for some time now. the debate in the apartment reminded me of xaviers arguments with politicians or with army personel rather than with Eric. HRG is scared of the potential harm the supers could cause. Eric wanted to free the mutans because they were better.
regardless of who is who I see this whole show as follwoing similar storylines as X-men and I love every minute of it.

That's what I want to know! If the list was so important, why didn't he just shoot Mohinder and take it?

Because dead bodies are messy.
I really don't see the parallel. The argument is about method right now, because neither has clearly defined motives. HRG is under orders, and Mohinder is only trying to find these people because others have died.
And HRG does not, and will not have any powers. Unless he is Claire's biological father. In which case, he would.

great point about him actually being her biological father.
if he actually is it sure would change his motives. maybe he feels somehow guilty for playing a part in the birth of the new species and so and so forth.
hmm

They wanted to show us that the list or the map is not enough for HRG. He needs Mohinder alive and willing to interpret the equations to update the list and map. Mohinder himself said that his father's equations didn't work. *Speculation* Chandra had the ability to interpret DNA data to find other people with special powers. This is the power Sylar stole from him when he killed him and how he is able to find the heroes faster than HRG in some cases. Mohinder very likely inherited that ability, and this is what HRG wants.