The only scene where it has been debated that he used it(i think) is the rooftop where Claude gets zapped. However, had he paused time, when time started up again, the taser-thing would have kept moving instead of falling straight down.

so... has he ever actually done it?

NO, I think he used telekinesis to stop the taser gun then flew away

No, unless you want to argue that he is using his powers during the commercials to make the time seem longer.

Yes, he used space/time manipulation on the rooftop. He slowed time down, then used telekinesis to drop the dart.

He didn't use TK, I watched it over and over and over and over and over and...well, you get the point.

You can see in the peripheral view that he PAUSED it, plus, he squinted his eyes like Hiro does.

Plus,you can tell by the way The Haitian and HRG reacted late that they were stopped in time

If you look down at Claude during the scene he's moving slow.
Peter slowed down time, but didn't actually stop it.

right, that was the word I was looking for, slowed >.<

gah, I'm slow! lol

Not to mention the time on the train, he was able to talk to Hiro by stopping time, too.

Future Hiro probably was the one doing that. He made everything freeze in time but Peter.

actually im pretty sure that it worked just like peter with claud. claud didnt make peter able to see him by making it so he could, peter just absorbed the ability, and thus was uneffected by it.

as far as the rooftop... i dont know about you, but the sound of a clock slowing down when it happened is a pretty strong indicator that he slowed/stopped time.

Agreed.

Hiro's ability is different from Claude's.

Hiro can selectively choose what his power affects. This has already been proven in the show, especially when Hope fires a bullet at him and Ando.

On the rooftop, the Haitian and Mr. Bennet were frozen in time, there was no movement whatsoever. Claude, however, was moving, as if time was normal. This means that time was not slowed down, but frozen. And Peter used his power to freeze all time and leave Claude unaffected.

Who are you talking to? I said that Peter did use Hiro's ability.

The movement and clock indications are valid, but I just took it as the filming moving slower to be more dramatic.

he probably stopped time and when he unstopped time, he used to TK to stop from going

Whether or not he timeshifted when he wanted, he has been shown to automatically timeshift when some who already is is near (e.g. the alternate future Hiro, from whom he gained the space/time manipulation ability and Hiro Nakamura from his time in Texas).

I think that's a concensus, and one of the only strong reasonings behind it was the sound effect used. He did a localized time stop, and then used TK to drop them. That's heroeswiki's explanation.

But using the two in tandem like that, so perfectly, never sat with me, especially considering that Peter was with Claude just learning how to use the vaired powers and was hardly in such control. Add to the fact that he knew he had TK and was starting to master it, but he didn't know about stopping time (even though he experienced that on the train with F. Hiro, I don't think he knew what that was).

Another thing is that whenever there's been a directed and intentional use of time stopping, there's a squinty thing that Hiro does, as well as F. Peter. On the rooftop, Peter's eyes are wide open, looking to me more like a use of TK than time stopping.

So, since it really doesn't matter all that much nor affect anything, I'll stick to my beliefs, knowing I'm in the minority.


I don't think that's accurate, I think they were simply standing still, wondering what was going on. There were also lights blinking in the city below. If it was a time stop, I believe it was only on the darts.


Peter never squints - he's wide-eyed the whole time.

I also find it questionable, Wrath22.

I understand and I agree with the sound being there. I do tend to think it's a strong argument for it as the sound effects are commonly there for a power. Though, I don't remember any of the environmental details.

But I also understand not being able to merely assume he all of the sudden had even that level of control of his time stopping and telekinesis. I also don't remember him squinting, when he did it in a future episode.

I think, minus the sound effect, it's perfectly explainable with telekinesis. I think it's even more easily explainable with telekinesis considering if he'd just stopped time and that was all, the darts would've kept going forward. Since they didn't keep going, but just fell, that's obvious telekinesis.

prander and Wrath22,

It makes no sense that Peter froze time atop the Deveaux Building; it only makes sense that it was tk. Sometimes, in spite of what we are told, and especially if it conflicts with what is logical...we have to side on the side of logic.

Peter had no level of mastery over his time-space godsend. He had developed his tk skill and was just practicing it. tk explains what happened and it 'follows'.

I don't recall a time when Peter froze time.

Creator

It was Space-Time Manipulation, everyone is looking at the scene, but no-one seems to be listening...

The electronic sound of the taser slows down when Peter looks at it. Its not telekinesis because if it was, the sound would still be the same speed.

He slowed down time...

But tazer darts don't make any sound until they make contact with someone. So, that was a sound effect, and it slowed down to correspond with a TK slowdown, not a time slowdown.

And, lets add in that on only one or two occasions did Hiro slow time, and it was a continual speed (the one I recall specifically was when Hiro was stealing the sword from the display case). In almost all cases, time stopped instantly.

The tazer darts slow down over a length of time before they stop. They were not instantly stopped, as would be the case in just about every use of time power. So, that relates more to TK than time.

But again, it's not conclusive. I just lean pretty far to the TK-only side, rather than time and TK in tandem.

Sifr,

Could it have been Time-Space manipulation ("T-S M")? Sure! Was it? Not likely. Why? Because such an advance power and such a level of control over same would have been improbable at best for Peter at this stage of his development. He had only just accessed tk and began demonstrating a modicum of control of that power, his invisibility and RCR. Even Hiro himself hadn't displayed such control so quickly. Peter hadn't (to my knowledge) shown he could even access his "T-S M" godsend yet, much less use it with such finesse.

I'm certain, as tempting as it might be to believe, you'd agree that it's unlikely that Peter had access to or control over his "T-S M"...a power he had never played with much less demonstrated that level of mastery over. Plus, this was not a time for him to try something unproven. Their lives, his and Claude's, were at stake. That which was most familiar and most proven would, most likely, have been chosen...tk. Wouldn't you agree? Surely you can 'see' the scene associated special f/x corresponding to his using tk as well?

Creator

I completely agree, Creator. That Unexpected episode was basically to show how Peter accesses his other abilities. The show put a lot of emphasis on Peter trying to access a defensive power to stop from being hit with a stick. The more Peter got hit, the more angry/scared he became, which were the same emotions he felt when near Sylar (only at Homecoming at this point) when Sylar used TK. Thus, Peter used TK. Peter did have Chronokensis from F.Hiro, but was at this point unaware of it or didn't know how to access it. He probably still believed the F.Hiro stopped time for all except him.

Plus, the physical response and facial expression he did to stop Claude's stick attack was the same as when he stopped the taser darts. The special effects at that point that caused this whole debate for just that: for effect, just like Sylar's evil voice. That scene was basically the Heroes equivalent to when Neo stopped, then dropped the Agents' bullets in the first Matrix movie: thus TK.