So heres my questions...

1) Did peter go back in time when he saw charles and his mother talking?

2) Was Charles' ability an immunity or maybe just a knowledge of all people's powers?

3) If thats the case, shouldn't peter have it as well.

4) and if THATS the case, could he use it to finally discover ALL of Sylar's powers?

5) If Peter actually DID go back in time, but was just invisible, wouldn't that mean that past Peter would have all the powers present Peter had?


i know that there are some things that might contradict these theories... ive thought of some my own. but im just curious as to what you folks think.

no, peter did not go back in time. He was dreaming. sort of. to be honnest this scene didn't make sense to me. I honnestly think it was just a filler. Probably would've been elaborated on more, excpet NBC only let it run for 1 hour instead of 2.

If Charles could see invisible people...

Why couldn't Peter? He was looking after Charles all these while.

I was very happy to see Charles again. But not sure how to answer your questions though.
I always thought Charles had asteral projection but now I'm thinking he is more like that young boy in india that helped Mohinder out.

I hope we can see Charles at least a few more times.

I think your last question is the most intreeging.

my $0.02

Peter has "absorbed" a power similar to Sanjog Iyer's (the dream-walker that Mohinder met). during the scene, "past" Peter has a line about "getting so much" from his mother, and a sound-cue begins. that indicates, to me, that the power to "see the past in a dream" was Angela's

next, i think Charles was an empath like Peter (mainly because of all his dialogue about Peter's heart and unconditional love and so forth). so, even though it was Angela's power that "brought" Peter there, he and Charles could still interact because of the bond they share


it's a slight violation of Occam's razor, but i think it holds water

That whole scene didn't make much sense to me either...

But here's what I pulled from it.

Peter dreams about the past, kind of like Sajong Iyer, but Charle's has this immunity to powers, so he was able to see Peter in the dream, hiding.

charles died but only his physical form n' he has dream ability so now his conscious is always part of the dream realm n' in his world he knows if someone invades it.

Whichever ability it is Charles has I think it was the second power Peter had, Angela knew of it and probably arranged them to meet once they realised that Peter could gain that power.

I wish I knew the underlying factors about Angela, her powers and is she truely trying to see the world a better place, is she misguided or just a mean female bad ******.

In the epsiode when Peter first meets Claude. Peter could see Claude while he was invisible.

again, i think that's Angela's power (based on clues in the scene itself)

if Charles were an empath like Peter, he could see Peter just like Peter saw Claude

Perhaps it has to do with the Dreamtime. for those of you who have been concocting Uluru theories maybe during research you might have found that the nature of dreamtime is to transcend space/time, so in dreamtime it is always now. What I' suggesting is maybe CHarles' ability is to tap into dreamtime and therefore visit events in the past/future, like we've seen Peter do several times through dreaming. And that could possibly make CHarles or just the Ability Charles has "Uluru"

explicit "dreamtime" reference (and so far the only one on the show) -- see Sanjog Iyer's file

My best guess is that Charles has the same power as Peter... I do not believe that Peter was invisible only because I think the other Peter would have been able to see him if that was the case... the reason why Charles says the thing about invisibility is because he just absorbed it from Peter... Charles having the power for so long he is able to go through the "files" of powers as soon as he obtains them... I too believe the his "visions" from his mom... he had the vision of his brothers accident in Six Months ago which was before he ever met Charles...

I don't know about any connection to Uluru, and won't touch any of those theories, but I agree with Charles power being dreamtime. I had a feeling for a while that Pete's visions were tied to Charles, as the only person he really interacts with meaningfully in those dreams is Charles. I say "meaningfully" refering to an actual exchange/conversation going on, whereas in other dreams anyone interacting with him (i think only Nathan) are basically fufilling a role, or talking "at" him.

The dream list is: - dreams of flying, - seeing Nathan's accident, - discussion with Charles discussing flying just as Charles is dying, - visions of himself as the exploding man, - talking to Charles in the finale

And I just realized every dream concerns Nathan, flying, Charles or all three. In many ways, it could have been Pete realizing the explosion event and that the key is to fly, with his brother. So the entire time his dreams pointed to this.

Anyway, so the newest dream.
1. It definately is a dream, and not time travel, because Peter never left that asphalt. He is in the same position in the same place when HRG shakes him awake, as when he passed out.
2. Although it is time travel in a sense, in that he is indeed in the past, but only in dream form. It's almost a recreation of the past.

I've thought it was Charles' power because he interacts with him only, and Angela cannot see him. I also feel like it's Charles power because something like "dreamwalking" does not seem like a power Angela would have. It's a much more spiritual power that does not seem to fit with Angela's personality. And Tim Kring himself has said that the powers characters are given comes out of who they are. Angela's much more like Nathan and would have a more physical or power that involves manipulation or all-knowing.. not something like dreamwalking that probably gives one more peace about death, a better big picture perspective... It just doesn't make sense. Plus if she did have the dreamwalking power, I think she would be able to see that blowing up NY would not yield a good outcome.

However, you all theorizing that Charles is an empath is interesting, as that invisibility comment was one I never quite got... but then again, Charles seems to have desires to have certain powers, such as the invisibility or his dreams of flying... but doesn't seem to have any of them. Unless, Charles comment on the invisiblity is more a reference that he knows where Pete got it. Claude was always hanging outside on Charles' roof, so if he was an empath, he too would have Claude's power. I think it's more likely that he is good friends with Claude, and was actually hiding Claude.

But if Charles is indeed an empath, I think the dreamwalking had to have come from Mr. Petrelli. Again, I really don't think it would fit Angela to have it. They mention Mr. Petrelli as "weak", I believe even as a dreamer, so I could see him having the power to be a possibility.



This is an interesting thought. Angela knew Deveaux because of her connections with Linderman, Nakamura, the Company.. so she knows he is powered. She supposedly would know if her son was powered as well. So in theory, if she knew what Peter's powers were, him meeting and caring for Charles could very well be intentional for Peter to gain Charles' power/knowledge. So then we wonder why this is..
What I think would solve it is if we knew whether or not Angela knew that Charles was not of a like mind to her vision of the future, blowing up NY (I'll have to check that scene again). I say this because Charles is a figure that helps Peter go against what his mother wants... but if Angela knew his POV, would she really still set them up together?

Also pointing out Sanjong's power was a good call! i had completely forgotten about him. I believe he most certainly has the dreamwalking ability. He shows Mohinder the past, and Mohinder is invisible to those in the visions, just as Peter is. That wikipedia article also mentions Sanjong as sort of a "spirit guide", which goes along with Charles guiding Peter. Sanjong also has a similar peaceful demeanor as Charles, furthering my feelings that Charles is a dreamwalker.

... which is probably why Linderman couldn't heal him, granted they were friends...

might be a theory...

I realize im dredging some stuff from the far distant pass here, but i had a thought yesterday about Charles' power and these two posts seemed very relevent.

I too thought that Charles was an empath, mostly based on his "I always thought that would be a good one to have" comment, but then it occurred to me something that Noah (at that time he was just plain old HRG of course) said to Sylar back in...oooh, might have been Fallout, when he said "Every special individual we have encountered so far has had only one ability, except you. You seem to have taken on several" This seems to imply that the idea of someone taking on other powers was not one that he had considered before.

Now if Charles had enough involvement to be allowing clandestine baby-swaps on his rooftop, i would think it pretty likely that Noah was aquainted with him or at least knew of him, so he probably would have known about his power.

Of course if this is correct then we have to wonder at Claude's familiarity with the concept and even name of an empath, but for all we know he has run into them in the intervening years since he left the company, rather than when he was an agent, or perhaps he met one long before Noah became his partner, i dont exactly know.

charles can't be an empath.

if he was, he'd have absorbed adam's power, and thus would be immortal.

astral projection, I tell thee.

hmm... well maybe he did..



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hmm... good point.
Whats astral projection though?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astral_projection

Simone was his child. What a pity she didn't get a power...
(Off topic, but still relevant )

I dunno why everyone assumes that when Claude said: "Oh you're 1 of those," he was talking about an Empath. I know the context of the speech implied this and I haven't over-analyzed the conversation, so I don't have much on this, but I somehow think that there weren't any real known Empaths before Peter. I think maybe Claude may have been talking about a copycat: someone who copies a power when they see it - temporarily, then when they meet another they copy it but don't keep it. :S You know what I'm just confusing myself now - I'll shut up

It would have been great if the creators had done more wuth Charles Deveaux. We have few clues or evidence of his power. He obviously fell out of favor with both Arthur and Daniel. It would have been nice to know why. With Arthur now in possession of his power (instead of Peter) what does that mean?

There's just too much that remains a mystery surrounding Charles. Will they everygive us at least GN coverage of the late Mr Deveaux (interacting with the other Founders)?

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The OP's question was actually answered in this week's Behind the Eclipse.



Does that take away the possibility of Charles' ability being dream-related, as the dreams are symbolic?

The roof scene with Charles and Angela seems very similar to when Sanjey (spelled right?) Shows Mohinder his life.

We've been going over this one for a long time. I still believe that both in the instance talking to Charles on the roof and the visits to the virus future with Caitlin, Peter was physically present, not a dream or incorporeal astral form. I thought his question to Charles "Are you doing this?" was the telling point. He brought Peter there, therefore that's how he knew he was there and surmised he must be Invisible. As for the virus trip, that was Peter all on his own. Now what you'd call Charles' ability to snatch people from different time periods and bring them to his side is the big question. My suggestion is Temporal Attraction. (kinda sounds like a bad 80's group, so maybe Charles was also involved with something bigger, like back in the 80's)

I do and have always believed that Peter was there, the invisible thing is a tell for sure. And for any of the powers we've been arguing about I don't think Charles could do it in the future, but in the time line he is a live in. I just hope they tell us soon, the writers say no future plans and its not right. Still they want to do a 70's flashback as soon as they can find a place for it, (who knows when)so I can't see that without all the elders powers being revealed.

So, back to my point. Tell or show us definitively what Charles' power is! Give us a GN or two on the Founders which would include that information. Why have such a wonderful character if we are to see or know more about him? Wouldn't have been cool if he'd come to Angela while she was in Arthur's grip (transcending death like he had with Peter) to free her? Just a thought...

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p.s.,...

Could Charles have been the other empath--the one Claude seems to reference? He (Charles) mentions Peter's power of invisibility and says something about it being a power he'd wished he'd experienced.

I always thought Charles was an empath after what he said to Peter about invisibility, too. But why would Claude refer to him like that as if he had trained him or been a burden to him?

Empath? If that was so, being one the original 12 would have put him in close proximity to Adam, and considering Charles clearly did not possess Regeneration, I would say that's not the case. Plus, if he and Claude knew each other, he wouldn't have "always wanted" to try Invisibility, he would have "always liked" Invisibility. If it turns out his ability is to pluck people through time and space to his side to deliver important information, that would be a nice way to resolve the Caitlin mess that drives some of us nuts. Arthur sneezes, activates a new power and poof, she's back! She runs away, screaming and furious, never to be seen again, but at least not dead in some non-existent future!