At the beginning of the scene where Ando is bringing Kaito his coffee and paper, he bumps into someone in a light trench coat and a beard. My wife yells "wasn't that Nathan with a beard?!" and lo and behold, TiVo's got my back. I don't have the tech to do a screen cap, but they definitely meet.

Coincidence that Nathan is nearby when both Angela and Kaito get helix-style death threats? Hrmmmmmm.

I saw that too, but I really didn't think anything of it...hmm...perhaps you're onto something.

Whoa! I did not put those two together. Maybe Nathan is killing off Lindermans group because he knows they are evil, remember he told his mom she was evil. Thats a good pickup that right after Nathan was in each scene the death pictures were sent

Yea I definitely screamed "It's Nathan, and he looks like a bum" I think it was just a quick little setup to show us that Nathan was indeed alive before his first lines were spoken. Maybe there is something more to it though.

I thought that was Nathan!

That's actually pretty good detective work.

So, we have one of our first suspects?

Not that I think Nathan has the balls mind you..

I'm pretty sure that was Nathan. Ando has met him before, but he didn't have his big caveman beard then, so I guess he wouldn't recognize him. And Nathan seemed pretty out of it so he probably woudn't remember Ando either. That is wierd that Nathan was there, though.

Nathan slipped the picture in the paper Ando was carrying

Oh my god. You just like, answered life for me. Hahaha. Nathan bumps into Ando and slips picture into newspaper. Nathan puts picture on wall and then enters house, tells mom to leave and she sees the picture. It all works! Now there's just the question of why?

*rewatches* Ho snap! It WAS Nathan!



You basically just solved the series.

Holy CRAP! Where's the screen shots?! I have to see this for myself!

Yes... WHY is the question. Now that Nathan knows the depths at which his mother's group were willing to go, Nathan decides to KILL EM ALL for revenge for Peter... Little does he know that Peter LIVES. Will Nathan be able to live with himself once Peter reveals himself ALIVE?

Stay tuned..

Hahahaha! It couldn't be THAT simple.

Bah. Sorry about the funky quality. It's easier to tell in the video, but it's DEFINITELY Nathan

MURDERER!

Oh wait...I'm supposed to wait for more evidence, right?

Me and my friends caught it right away. we were all like "ZOMGZ IT WAZ NATHAN WITH A BEARD!" good times

That could well be it. It is a little bit too simple, but it does make some sense.


When I first saw that person, I thought he looked familiar and that there was more to him, but I didn't think it was Nathan and I had forgotten about that. Good work.

And how did Hiro's dad die? By being pushed off a ledge, with the pusher following. That means that the "pusher" (the killer) can either fly, regenerate, or use telekinesis to soften his landing, then escape before Ando gets to the ledge (only one body there). It was definitely Nathan who did the threatening and the actual killing.

Bonus: The killer was know to Hiro's dad - "Never thought it'd be you". Hiro's dad would have at least known Nathan peripherally, as both were partially in on the bomb plot (and, incidentally, both abandoned it).

Ratz! I totally didn't even pay attention to that. Wow, Nathan putting the death threat into the paper Ando was carrying. Gives a whole different slant to Nathan now, don't it?

I dunno if this is the best place to pose this question but I didn't wanna open a new thread, but is Nathan Petrelli still Governor? I mean he's dressed like a bum and has a beard, but comeon, we all recognized him there on the street, and he had all those political posters and tv spots, wouldn't someone notice him? So what is going on there?

I also think that Nathan Petrelli is not the one who pushed Hiro's dad off the roof. I don't think that he's capable of doing such a thing, besides it seemed like Hiro's dad was all too familiar with his Killer, besides why would someone that wasn't of the 9 kill him?

Although, perhaps, one of the original 9 have the power to possess a body and take control of it. So in that fact maybe they took control and push him off the building and then plumit to his own death.

Governor?

Wasn't he just a congressman or something?

I doubt a majority of New Yorkers care about just another policitian.

It really does look like it almost has to be Nathan as the pusher. He can fly so no problem pushing Nakamura off the ledge. He was right there in perfect position before Petrelli and Nakamura got the pictures. Nakamura recognized his killer, so it could be Nathan. Nathan could be working for the baddies or could be under mind-control. I guess we'll see.

I'm suspicious of the whole thing, but I have to admit, Nathan just seems like the most likely candidate. Nathan isn't the same guy he was four months ago. He's got the crazy-bum-yelling-at-people-on-the-sidewalk beard to prove it. Who knows what he's capable of now? Nakamura only assumed it was one of the 9, but he may well have forgotten others who had intimate knowledge of the group. He's guilty. He's angry. All fingers point to him.

But it's just too tidy, isn't it? As I said, I'm suspicious of the whole thing. Too easy. They didn't bother to obscure Nathan's face as he walked by or anything.

It's also worth noting Nathan bears a striking resemblance to his father in the online comic.

Hence why Nakamura might recognize him in the case Nathan killed him, which he didn't of course...maybe..no..perhaps.

You know, I'm suspecious too. Too me, if it was "one of those 9" I think they'd use their unknown power to kill Nakumora instead of pushing him off a roof in a kinda struggle thing. I also just don't understand how come Nakumora didn't use his unknown power to defend himself. I'm sure we'll find out his power in a future episode.

Not everybody can fry someone's face off or melt their brain, you know.

Kaito could have something relatively simple like Rumplestilskins' earlier in the episode.

I noticed it was Nathan running into him right away, I recognized the Pasbeard.

Now this whole him being in the right place at the right time, blows my mind. Having him do that, wow.
Him being the killer hadn't even crossed my mind, but it makes sense.

The only thing is, wasn't he at a bar at the time, but I guess he could have easliy left and went there.

And someone asked if Nathan was still a congressman? He is not, as shown on www.votepetrelli.com which was updated earlier today.

Never mind slipping him the picture. He ran and pushed Hiro's fatehr off of a rooftop - FALLING with him - and yet there's only one body on the ground a moment later...

It was Nathan who killed Hiro's father to take revenge on the Old Hero's for Peter's death.

Nathan didn't die because Nathan can fly.

..How fast can West fly?

Eh, no, nevermind, it's a stupid theory.

...Wow... I think we figured out something we weren't supposed to.

Holy...

crap..

I don't remember Nathan slipping that picture into the newspaper though?
Once I finish downloading the episode I'll check again.

I'm guessing thet want us to think it's Nathan. That's why they threw in so many clues pointing towards him. This way they can pukk the rug out by revealing it was someone else or show us the horrifying reason Nathan is doing it.

I don't think in an age of TiVO's and PVRs that they would have dropped that big a clue in that early.
It can't be THAT simple. It's definately SOMETHING, but I doubt it's everything.

i would hope that they would take into account how geeky we can get sometimes and that all it would take would be ONE person noticing nathan to blow the whole thing WIDE open. The thing you have to think about though is that they almost NEVER have a cast member even on SET unless they are needed for the scene. The chances that adrian was in the scene, much less on the set, without it being on purpose, are almost nonexistent.

they HAD to have meant for us to eventually notice it. they know us too well.

i DO think that nathan is more involved in this than the show has let on yet though, thus why he was in the scene.

One could inferr he did it looking at the footage, but his hands are off-camera during the bump.

yup, thats definately Nathan, squirrel and all. Im amazed at his chocies, he should be ashamed of himself!

Nice find. I didn't catch that at all, but just rewatched it and it's definitely him. I like that they put in something so small that only some would catch it.

Not necessarily. There's no telling what kind of abilities that creepy guy could have.

Nathan's being framed I tells ya!

My guess is that Nathan is working for someone else. He may have offered to after Peter disappeared. I don't think he will be the one to kill his own mom though, but he wouldn't just hunter after the parents' generation like that on his own. He doesn't know them very well.

didn't Nathan's page just get updated with him quitting? He said he was still trying to save and care for the people of New York but needed the reason to be private. Maybe the reason is because he is the one killing people. Oh this makes soooo much sense. Yeah something to mull over

That's what I think. Unless this is a mystery that's supposed to be unraveled very soon, these hints at Nathan are just too obvious. In the day of Tivo and DVRs, seeing Nathan bump into Ando is hardly an easter egg anymore, they'd know people would notice that immediately, and of course we did. I wouldn't be surprised to see a situation where Nathan becomes the prime suspect because he even has motive; revenge on the Company not only for the plan that put thousands of New Yorkers at risk, but put his brother at the forefront of the plan that (presumably) cost him his life in the end. But to me these signs are just TOO strong too soon, so I believe it will then end up to be someone completely different.

So he flew away when he was plummeting down with Kaito!

LOL!


Or there could be a shapeshifting power on the cards.

EDIT: No, that's stupid... how would he disappear falling down. Maybe it's another empath. Nathan's dad? Claude did refer to Peter as if he'd heard of empaths before.

Great call...I think Nathan's guilt over Peter's "death" has pushed him toward revenge!

Nathan comes home, before he gets in the apartment with his mother he places the picture.. they have an argument and he deliberately tells her to leave and even points at the door where the picture is.

Just throwing this out there but I think this is a different timeline resulting from Kensei not being a hero anymore. The finale we saw may not have happened the same way as we witnessed.

Just can't help but remember back to "Five Years Gone" where Nathan is telling Mohinder "I can *fly*... not exactly a dangerous ability..."

I mean, yeah, it was Sylar but that's not the point.

If Nathan is using his flight as a sky-scraper deathswoop attack, then it's more dangerous than we thought.

About Nathan possibly being the killer, what was with that scene in the bar where he looks in the mirror and half his face is fried?

Really glad that people caught this! I actually thought it was Claude at first, because of the beard, but now will have to rewatch on TiVo. Cool.

I totally agree though that this is just too easy, for Nathan to be a lone killer. I could see him teaming up with someone. After all, Nathan wouldn't even KNOW who all of the original group were, unless he had a hold on Linderman's papers or something. And he doesn't exactly have a motive for killing Hiro's dad.

Ando would have seen it if that's the case. No matter how fast he can fly, there's always a trail. It looks like the attacker can teleport.

I don't think Nathan killed Katio or planted the pictures. The guy in the hood looked smaller and more delicately built than Nathan to me. I think the point of seeing Nathan there is make us and Ando think that he did it. If you think about if Ando runs into Nathan again while he still has the beard then he might remember seeing him in Kirby Square, and start to do things like tail him to try to catch him. That's my theory anyways.

What do you mean "a trail". The eye wouldn't be able to see the trail. The trails we see are special effects to indicate speed. I agree with the teleport theory though.