Hi I am a New Member here and This show is the coolest thing on tv. Loved last season and Now this season is off to a good start. The Guy Playing Kensei I dont know if this was talk about already if so then sorry anyway I was thinking Back to that show Quantum Leap with Scott Baio and Somehow this guy has somthing along the lines of that Character that he can go anywhere and be anyone in history. Looking foward as well as you all for the next episode. Countdown Commencing

Kind Regards,

Mrmac

Welcome to the boards mrmac.

Not sure what power he has, you might check out the spoiler section they may have it there.

idk about that... personally i think Hiro is the Kensei that he read about. Went back in time, found out the Brit was a fraud... then did the saving in the name of Kensei as to not mess up the timeline... how about that?

Scott Baio was Charles In Charge. You're thinking Scott Bakula.

I honestly think that Kensei is nothing, and Hiro is going to use his name to become a hero.

well..i reckon kensei does have a power, and we'll see it next week. you could be sorta right with yr theory mrmac ( welcome to the boards btw ) if he is kane & is over 1000 years old.
personally i dont agree with that , but i hope he's got someother power. asides from being a funny drunk.

"you look like a fish when you talk - a giant carp"

It is all strange regardinf Kensei.

He is somewhat a fraud in that his motives are greed not ethics as history says.

Yet... He still bares THAT symbol of the Heroes. Unless Hiro plays a huge part. Even then its strange as episode 1 of Series 2 has Hiro stopping Kensei from the village burning down, meaning he changed the future somewhat.

Does this mean Hiro going back in time was actually fate? So Heroes now prescribes the the notion of fate?

Accoding to an ad I just saw Kensei has a power. I believe Hiro is the Dragon, not the Sword Saint

I think so too. In the paintings of Kensei in Linderman's art gallery, Kensei was an asian dude. How did the ancient Japanese artists mistaken a white guy for an asian guy?

The leap probably swiss-cheesed his memory.

Ohhh, it's an artistic interpretation.

Basically what I'm saying is that the artist of that painting, wasn't there for the actual events, but was painting a story he/she had been told (ala, Hiro's childhood tales.) Just like any painting of The Last Supper, to name an example. So, the painter of that particular mural(?) was being told stories of "A Great Japanese Hero" (or something to that effect) which could be interpreted as "A Great Hero who is Japanese" or "A Great Hero of Japan"

Interpretation.

Perhaps for the same reason that most of the Western world depicts Jesus, a man of mostly Middle Eastern descent, as a white guy.

Personally, I think that Hiro will be the Sword Saint, and Kensei is the dragon... literally.

BTW- welcome back CrewWolf!

I think the whole Kensei/Hiro angle is one of the most interesting story arcs Heroes has going very early in the season. We will see how it all plays out; however, there has been much debate on Kensei and whether or not he has a special ability.

As we know, Hiro went back in time to 1671 Japan. He then meets an individual who he assumes is Kensei, but Hiro finds out that it is actually not him. An individual then appears from behind a tree and claims he is Kensei. Kensei then reveals his identity to be not of Japanese decent; rather, he is an Englishman.

If this man is indeed Kensei, he looks very good for an 87 year old. While telling one of Kensei's stories, someone mentioned that Kensei was born in 1584 (1671 - 1584 = 87).

From this information we can assume one of four things:
1) That the story is incorrect and Kensei was born much later than 1584
2) The story is correct, but the man who claims to be Kensei is not really Kensei
3) The story is correct, the man who claims to be Kensei is Kensei, and he has some sort of special ability to delay aging and death
4) The story is correct, the main who claims to be Kensei is Kensei, and he has some sort of special ability that allows him to take the form of other individuals (or something along those lines)

Not really sure which one is correct. But that is what it all boils down to. If we had more information, we would be able to eliminate certain assumptions, but we don't. No point in beating ourselves up over it though. It seems to me from the previews that we will learn soon enough who Kensei is/what Kensei can do.

Kensei could possilbly be a vampire muahahahahahaha.









kidding.

Hiro: You have a powah! You vampiah! Woosh! [makes flying bat motions with hands]

LMAO -- You Vampiah...

^^ hey, welcome back! I remember you too!

You can't keep me away from talking Heroes.

And Kitty, you have over 6000 posts. Stop. You're ridiculous

It's possibly also worth noting that the origin story of how Kensei got his sword, as told by Hiro when he first steals it, is completely contradicted by the fact of it being made by the sword-smith - which is a story Hiro also seemed to know. So the information that we've already been told about Kensei (such as when he was born) might be wrong, not because of some plan, but simply because the continuity was wrong.

I love the show to bits, but it's not necessarily the greatest at keeping everything 100% consistent. Tim Kring said, when asked in an interview why Peter didn't fly himself away, that he'd simply never thought of it (although a different producer later said that Peter can only use one power at a time), Claire tells rapist-guy that her parents told her she was adopted when she was "really little" and then we see her being told when she's 13. In fact, I believe that Claire started series 1 as a 17 year old girl, and ended it as a 15 year old girl. Which is a nifty trick.

So, while I'm happy to obsess over the details and try to figure things out as much as the next man, I think it's worth pointing out that just because something's been said onscreen as a fact doesn't mean that you can necessarily actually rely on it to be true.

Point taken. If what you say is indeed the case, then we would have to go with assumption 1 (The story was incorrect and Kensei was actually born much later than 1584).

Well what I think you guys have to realize is that Kensei is a legend. Hiro heard several stories about him growing up, and the images depicting him have him appear asian because that is how the rest of the culture percieved him. Someone brought up Jesus being a white man in paintings when he is from the Middle East. People adapt stories, history, and legends to their own cultures very often. Somethign to compare this to is the legend of Robin Hood. There are literally dozens of ballads and tales of Robin, all if not most of which contradict, but there are always consistancys that indicate them as Robin Hood tales.

I think Kensei has to have a power, or some relavance to the plot. No one seems to really be considering the fact that Kensei HAS to play a part in the future, otherwise what the HECK is the point of this storyline? So Hiro can grow farther? That's great, why couldn't he have grown doing something related to the Season 2 plotline? There's got to be something about Kensei that they aren't telling us yet. Something to note that in a recent EW article Kring said Kensei DOES have a power, which seems true based on previews too, and then also said that it would "Shake the Heroes universe in a big way" so I'm excited.

One thing that intrigues me about "Takezo Kensei" is that he doesn't talk like he's from 1671. I hope this is intentional on the writers' part and not just a mistake.

He doesn't speak with 17-century vocabulary and syntax. He sounds exactly like a modern Brit. (He also has that modern hair cut, but that may just be practicality because he's wearing all that armor.) For me, it's completely unbelievable that he's actually been born and raised in the middle of the 1600s, no matter whether it was in England or Japan or wherever else.

I think we have a lot to learn about Takezo. We don't even know his real name yet (and given this show, we may never know it!) I hope they keep us guessing all the way.

I fear it's not intentional and we're just gonna have to gloss over it. A friend of mine says the Princess was speaking plain unaccented Japanese and not what you would expect in the 17th century. She also wasn't phased by Hiro's modern syntax.

Rats. That's annoying. (I would've been glad to help them "translate" Takezo's lines into 17th-century English if they'd just asked! )

Ha, ha - I can see it now, Takezo holdng forth in Puritan-Elizabethan English with some Dutch sea-faring slang thrown in - and we're back to the subtitles again

Exactly!

I'm not sure we've actually seen the princess yet, unless I'm missing something. The girl that Hiro and Takezo were talking to was the sword smith's daughter, which is not even close to the same as being a princess. As far as I know, that is.

Though imdb.com does list the same actress as playing both "Yaeko" and "the Princess" in later episodes. Though this could be an error, or it might be one of those princess/pauperess things.



So I'm not saying you are wrong, I'm just saying I'm confused as to how this will work out.

I think that Takezo does have a power, and the whole year-mix-up is intentional. I read in a magazine that he has the power of immortality and that he's over 1000 years old. I can't account for the accuracy of said magazine, though.

If he really is immortal, then that means that Hiro could run into him in the present! Which I would love, because David Anders is one of my favourite actors (and really really good-looking ). I loved him in Alias.

I love David Anders and hope that Kensei becomes a major character in the overall story arc. I'm curious to see what happens to his story now that he's discovered he's indestructable. I too think that Hiro is actually the Kensei in the history books that he's read but I want to see how everything plays out.

I do find it a little humorous that they picked an American, to be play a British guy that everyone thought was actually Asian.

Personally, I think Takezo Kensei is Linderman. It's quite possible that he could be that old with the "healing factor" thing and all (think Wolverine). Over time, his powers could have evolved to the point that he could heal others as well as himself. Whether he is still alive remains to be seen (doubtful since he had his brain ripped out of his head). Remember, Linderman was in possesion of the the sword Hiro needed...

That just doesn't tie with the GN War Buddies where Linderman was shown as a boy in the 50's, a young soldier in the late 60's. He was mortal and is now dead. At least in the timeline we saw last season.