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HyrulianRoyalty
This is based off the theory that Takezo Kensei is an empath! You might say, "No, he just regenerates.". Really? Then how is he alive in the future? (The hooded guy that killed Kaito who we are almost POSITIVE is Kensei).

Easy. He has a power. No, not everlasting youth. Time travel! When Hiro went back in time, he gave Kensei the awesome power of time traveling which changes the future...BIG TIME. Now, Takezo in the future is going crazy killing the members of the original generations of heroes.

ANOTHER reason Takezo MUST be the hooded guy, is a GIANT clue they gave us! In the Takezo Kensei 5 part documentary, part 5, they said it was a BIG mystery how Linderman got Takezo's sword! Well, it wouldn't be too hard if they were in the same group!

That's why I beleive Takezo is an empath, is a member of the original generation of Heroes and I think that he is "worse then boogeyman". I really think he will be the main villain of this season. I don't know why, and NONE of this can be sure, it's just a theory with some slight proof. Here some pictures of the "hooded man" that killed Kaito.





Credit goes to sleeptech81 for the pics.

I think that if Hiro never went back, Takezo would still be a "Hero" of the past and that Kaito would still be alive.
Priscilla
[quote name='HyrulianRoyalty' date='Oct 1 2007, 10:34 PM' post='500202']

Easy. He has a power. No, not everlasting youth. Time travel! When Hiro went back in time, he gave Kensei the awesome power of time traveling which changes the future...BIG TIME. Now, Takezo in the future is going crazy killing the members of the original generations of heroes.

Two questions:

#1 - How in the heck is Hiro going to give Kensei the power of time travel? Hiro can take someone with him on a time travel but he has never given it to anyone. Nor have any other of the Heroes been able to just give their power to someone. Peter just absorbs others' powers and Sylar took them by force.

#2 - What is the raison d'etre for Kensei to be killing the original generation of Heroes? Why would he want or need to do such a thing.
HeroHunter
Damn the small image of his face under that hood actually does look similar to Kensei's. ohmy.gif But I'm not so sure how I feel about Hiro "giving" him his power.
Islington
QUOTE (Priscilla @ Oct 2 2007, 12:07 AM) *
Easy. He has a power. No, not everlasting youth. Time travel! When Hiro went back in time, he gave Kensei the awesome power of time traveling which changes the future...BIG TIME. Now, Takezo in the future is going crazy killing the members of the original generations of heroes.

Two questions:

#1 - How in the heck is Hiro going to give Kensei the power of time travel? Hiro can take someone with him on a time travel but he has never given it to anyone. Nor have any other of the Heroes been able to just give their power to someone. Peter just absorbs others' powers and Sylar took them by force.

#2 - What is the raison d'etre for Kensei to be killing the original generation of Heroes? Why would he want or need to do such a thing.


1 - I believe he was inferring that Kensei is actually an empath, and that he follows Hiro to the future.

2 - Don't know, but maybe we will find out? I think there will be more to Kensei than we think, regardless of what happens.
TwoThreeTwo
QUOTE (Priscilla @ Oct 1 2007, 11:07 PM) *
QUOTE (HyrulianRoyalty @ Oct 1 2007, 10:34 PM) *


Easy. He has a power. No, not everlasting youth. Time travel! When Hiro went back in time, he gave Kensei the awesome power of time traveling which changes the future...BIG TIME. Now, Takezo in the future is going crazy killing the members of the original generations of heroes.


Two questions:

#1 - How in the heck is Hiro going to give Kensei the power of time travel? Hiro can take someone with him on a time travel but he has never given it to anyone. Nor have any other of the Heroes been able to just give their power to someone. Peter just absorbs others' powers and Sylar took them by force.

#2 - What is the raison d'etre for Kensei to be killing the original generation of Heroes? Why would he want or need to do such a thing.

#1 - The precursor to that theory was that Kensei is also an empath like Peter so...
#2 - The original generation seems to think someone wants revenge for the bad things they have done. If the original generation did go far astray, and Kensei stayed "good" he would certainly want to kill them.
MilosSecret725
QUOTE (TwoThreeTwo @ Oct 1 2007, 09:22 PM) *
Two questions:

#1 - How in the heck is Hiro going to give Kensei the power of time travel? Hiro can take someone with him on a time travel but he has never given it to anyone. Nor have any other of the Heroes been able to just give their power to someone. Peter just absorbs others' powers and Sylar took them by force.

#2 - What is the raison d'etre for Kensei to be killing the original generation of Heroes? Why would he want or need to do such a thing.

#1 - The precursor to that theory was that Kensei is also an empath like Peter so...
#2 - The original generation seems to think someone wants revenge for the bad things they have done. If the original generation did go far astray, and Kensei stayed "good" he would certainly want to kill them.


I think that Kensei is immortal but not an empath. Here is my reason..When Peter got Claire's regeneration power he heals instantly unless the object is still in his body somewhere somehow. Hiro pulled out the arrows and Kensei was still heavily bleeding. He died and then came back to life. If he had regenerative powers like Claire and our favorite empath peter he would have healed as soon as Hiro took out the arrows. I do agree with you guys though that he is Kane and is in or was in cahoots with the older heroes (Linderman, Kaito, Mrs. Petrelli, etc.) but I think he is the oldest hero we have met so far because of his power and he is what got the whole company jump started because he is the oldest specimen for this evolution theory. Makes sense to me but until we see more episodes it is all up in the air anyway.
URAINAH
Kensei's character isn't what I'd call a "villian". He's not quite a good guy either. Although he does good things for money, but so do firefighters. You gotta eat right? It seems he can regenerate like Claire, although I was hoping he'd have like immortality or something...like eternal youth. Then we could see him in the future too. (Maybe he does though. You'd have to heal a lot of things if you're going to live a very long life!) Peter would have absorbed Hiro's power, but so far hasn't used it. Hiro's power takes a lot more concentration than some of the others. It's not so much a reflex. And when would Kensei have gone to the future and come back to the past while passed out drunk? If he was an empath he would have had to go to the future, find someone that had healing powers, came back to the past, then gotten shot by the arrows..I'm going crosseyed! I think he can just regenerate like Claire-and maybe has the extra long life span.
Priscilla
Being an empath is different from just giving a power away. Like I said, Peter absorbs his powers from other people. It just happens. Peter does not do anything to make it happen nor do the others. HR seems to think that Hiro can just give his power away just because he wants to.

I don't think this theory holds water. All we know about Kensei at the moment is that he can somehow regenerate. Kensei is also selfish, greedy and a drunk. He is going to have to have a major change in character to go out on a revenge spree because the original generation of Heroes lost their way.

I think Hiro will somehow be involved in creating the legends of Kensei. We all know about legends. Most of them are based on truths about a person or events but the stories get larger in the telling and retelling of them.
Jahandar
One other interesting thing is that, while the evolutionary basis for the powers was already a bit far-fetched, but the justification was that it was a recent phenomenon that the mutations were happening at an ever accelerating rate.

But now, we have Kensei, who had powers 400 years ago? That's got to have some special significance.
bruno6969
QUOTE (MilosSecret725 @ Oct 1 2007, 08:28 PM) *
I think that Kensei is immortal but not an empath. Here is my reason..When Peter got Claire's regeneration power he heals instantly unless the object is still in his body somewhere somehow. Hiro pulled out the arrows and Kensei was still heavily bleeding. He died and then came back to life. If he had regenerative powers like Claire and our favorite empath peter he would have healed as soon as Hiro took out the arrows. I do agree with you guys though that he is Kane and is in or was in cahoots with the older heroes (Linderman, Kaito, Mrs. Petrelli, etc.) but I think he is the oldest hero we have met so far because of his power and he is what got the whole company jump started because he is the oldest specimen for this evolution theory. Makes sense to me but until we see more episodes it is all up in the air anyway.



yea I agree. Kane's gotta have "ressurection" that's how he survives so long. how he fell off the roof with Kaito. probably the same guy that saved Sylar.
empath2380
Maybe hes Psycho- kinetic. Basically he would have all the abilities naturally. He'd essentially be like Jeen Gray. I'm probably wrong and he is an empath, but then that would meen someone in ancient Japan is a Healer like Claire. This is getting really interesting.
Eleo
I don't think him being immortal or having an extended life as a byproduct of his healing ability wouldt be that farfetched.
314
QUOTE (Priscilla @ Oct 1 2007, 11:35 PM) *
Being an empath is different from just giving a power away. Like I said, Peter absorbs his powers from other people. It just happens. Peter does not do anything to make it happen nor do the others. HR seems to think that Hiro can just give his power away just because he wants to.

I don't think this theory holds water. All we know about Kensei at the moment is that he can somehow regenerate. Kensei is also selfish, greedy and a drunk. He is going to have to have a major change in character to go out on a revenge spree because the original generation of Heroes lost their way.

I think Hiro will somehow be involved in creating the legends of Kensei. We all know about legends. Most of them are based on truths about a person or events but the stories get larger in the telling and retelling of them.

You seem to confuse what he said. He meant Hiro gave Kensei his powers in the sense that by going back in time and being in Kensei's general vicinity Kensei absorbed his abilities like Peter does.

As for his theories, there not that off the wall. I mean the hooded figure does look a bit like Kensei and what he said in general isn't too WTF really. But in the end I don't think Kensei has empathic powers like Peter and rather has the power of resurrection or immortality. I say this because of the observations of MilosSecret725, because if he had regenerative abilities he come back faster course it seemed to be the first time he used his power which may of been the reasoning for it taking longer than with Claire/Peter. But if he had healing powers it wouldn't explain how he is in the future unless he is a empath and came across a person with healing abilities before meeting Hiro.

But in the end all such talk should go into a thread of its own.
Lykaon
Healing power could equal near immortal life. We die because our bodies wear out. If you could constantly repair the parts of your body that are getting old, then you wouldn't die.

I think it makes the most sense for Takezo to literally have the exact same powers as Claire. He's been around a lot longer, but that's because his body keeps healing him as he gets older.

Also, the name of the episode is "Lizards" -- plural. Assuming that 'lizards' refers to ones who can regenerate, it makes the most sense that both Claire and Takezo have the same ability.

No reason to make his power some voodoo resurrection ability or anything.
HyrulianRoyalty
QUOTE (Lykaon @ Oct 2 2007, 04:46 AM) *
Healing power could equal near immortal life. We die because our bodies wear out. If you could constantly repair the parts of your body that are getting old, then you wouldn't die.

I think it makes the most sense for Takezo to literally have the exact same powers as Claire. He's been around a lot longer, but that's because his body keeps healing him as he gets older.

Also, the name of the episode is "Lizards" -- plural. Assuming that 'lizards' refers to ones who can regenerate, it makes the most sense that both Claire and Takezo have the same ability.

No reason to make his power some voodoo resurrection ability or anything.


Plural lizards..that's a good point. Maybe his immortality IS the reason why he's in the future. He can't die. That would also explain him living after the jump.

It would even go as far as to explain how he is in cahoots with the original generations of Heroes and how Linderman got his sword.

The ONLY thing that doesn't explain is the fact that Angela's attacker most likely had multiple powers. Like someone said, maybe there's more then one person attacking...
Rabbit
No one is positive that Kensei killed Kaito.

My guess is that he's immortal.
Talesin
To the first poster.
It would have been a viable theory had you just not ignored that he regenerated, and did not teleport like Hiro.

I also figured the title Lizards was both an allusion to their regenration and the fact we meet two people who regenerate this episode.
However note he did talk about some other kind of animal who also regenerated before mentioning lizard, which might allude to the fact their powers work differently.

Also i believe Kensai was the one to kill Kaito.
However i suspect that the person who attacked Angela was in fact Molly's boogeyman.

Unless the killer has multiple powers like Peter and Sylar. And honestly, i'm having a hard time seeing the writers go for YET another multiple power serial killer.
10thWOTW
What if Takezo Kensei is just Takezo Kensei! What happened to Takezo Kensei might be the same thing that happened when Hiro and Ando were about to be shot and the bullet, just the bullet reversed in time! Hiro had his "time" expression on and it was so intense and focused on Takezo Kensei that he reversed the effects of the arrows. Now giving Takezo Kensei the false sense to become the Hero everyone knows; although I am sure that Hiro will have a hand in the many adventures, i.e. "The Legend of the 12 Swords".
aulduron
This theory has merit.
Dunc
QUOTE (HyrulianRoyalty @ Oct 2 2007, 08:46 PM) *
Plural lizards..that's a good point. Maybe his immortality IS the reason why he's in the future. He can't die. That would also explain him living after the jump.

It would even go as far as to explain how he is in cahoots with the original generations of Heroes and how Linderman got his sword.

The ONLY thing that doesn't explain is the fact that Angela's attacker most likely had multiple powers. Like someone said, maybe there's more then one person attacking...

Survived the jump and got out of sight damn quickly.
XXXMAN
I was thinking the same thing. I think it is Kensei, but he has to have another power along with his regeneration one. It would have taken him longer to heal from that jump than the time it took Ando to run over and see Kaito's body.
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