AmazingBob
Oct 3 2007, 02:48 PM
I'm talking about the part where Kensai gets shot by the arrows and apparently dies then gets brought back. Some people seem to think that he has Claire's powers. I don't think he does, Remember back in the episode where Hiro told Ando to leave and then got on the bus with Stan Lee as the driver. During the firefight, the girl, i think her name was Hope or something, shot Hiro but he reversed time around the gun and made the bullet go back into the gun, and the look of confusion on her face clearly said that she noticed it happening.
So this is what I think, in a strong moment of not being able to watch his hero die and wanting him to live Hiro unknowingly used this power of reversing time on a specific area to have Kensai's wounds never happen.
Another thing, Claire has had her power since she was born, that specific power seems to be one you don't have a control over, it just happens and it happens from birth, so Kensai would have known if he had the ability and if he knew that something tells me he wouldn't have become a drunk and would have fought knowing that he couldn't die.
Just my thoughts, sorry if this has already been mentioned.
kitty
Oct 3 2007, 02:55 PM
that's a really good idea actually, but I don't think it's that, because if it were, then the arrows would've flown out.
isitmondayyet?
Oct 3 2007, 02:59 PM
interesting interpretation. we'll have to wait and see whether it was Kensei healing himself or the "new" application of Hiro's power "rewinding" the injury
(i tend to think it's probably not a "rewind" because the arrows and blood didn't disappear)
HERΟ
Oct 3 2007, 03:07 PM
QUOTE (AmazingBob @ Oct 3 2007, 10:48 PM)

Kensai would have known if he had the ability and if he knew that something tells me he wouldn't have become a drunk and would have fought knowing that he couldn't die.
Well, it sorta sounded like he knew he couldn't die when he mentioned something like he hoped to be the hero the next time around - which might be a thought about reincarnation - but to me it sounded like he was hinting that he'd get a chance to get it right after some regeneration.
Also, while that one wound was healing, did you notice, in the pool of blood by his neck, that you could see the liquid move 'cuz of his pulse?
aulduron
Oct 3 2007, 03:11 PM
He was dying, Hiro shouted "you can't die!", so he stopped dying.
HERΟ
Oct 3 2007, 03:21 PM
QUOTE (aulduron @ Oct 3 2007, 11:11 PM)

He was dying, Hiro shouted "you can't die!", so he stopped dying.
Quick! Spread the rumor - "Hiro has Eden's ability of vocal persuasion!"
trollface
Oct 3 2007, 03:23 PM
QUOTE (AmazingBob @ Oct 3 2007, 11:48 PM)

Another thing, Claire has had her power since she was born[...]
No she hasn't. We saw it activate for the first time in "Six Months Ago".
kitty
Oct 3 2007, 03:26 PM
actually, we don't know for sure if that's the first time it was *used* it may have been used when she was a baby, but was dormant for 16 years.
MoeBetta
Oct 3 2007, 03:28 PM
How about the Kensei is an empath, but gets his powers from touch. He regenerated (from the arrows) right after he touched the sword-smith's daughter. I don't know if I believe this, but just throwing it out there.
Also, when Hiro dunked Kensei in the water before Hiro put on the his outfit, did it look as if Kensei was dead as well? Was he under for too long? I will have to re-watch this scene when I get home from work.
Just two things floating in my head...
aulduron
Oct 3 2007, 03:37 PM
It takes longer than that to die from drowning.
MoeBetta
Oct 3 2007, 03:41 PM
QUOTE (aulduron @ Oct 3 2007, 07:37 PM)

It takes longer than that to die from drowning.
True. But he passed out right after he came out of the water. Isn't that a bit odd?
10thWOTW
Oct 3 2007, 03:48 PM
QUOTE (AmazingBob @ Oct 3 2007, 03:48 PM)

I'm talking about the part where Kensai gets shot by the arrows and apparently dies then gets brought back. Some people seem to think that he has Claire's powers. I don't think he does, Remember back in the episode where Hiro told Ando to leave and then got on the bus with Stan Lee as the driver. During the firefight, the girl, i think her name was Hope or something, shot Hiro but he reversed time around the gun and made the bullet go back into the gun, and the look of confusion on her face clearly said that she noticed it happening.
So this is what I think, in a strong moment of not being able to watch his hero die and wanting him to live Hiro unknowingly used this power of reversing time on a specific area to have Kensai's wounds never happen.
Another thing, Claire has had her power since she was born, that specific power seems to be one you don't have a control over, it just happens and it happens from birth, so Kensai would have known if he had the ability and if he knew that something tells me he wouldn't have become a drunk and would have fought knowing that he couldn't die.
Just my thoughts, sorry if this has already been mentioned.
Exactly what I was trying to point out in this thread
http://boards.9thwonders.com/index.php?showtopic=59565I think that Hiro will actually do all of the heroic stuff Kensai getting credit.
Hiro420
Oct 3 2007, 03:48 PM
QUOTE (kitty @ Oct 3 2007, 03:26 PM)

actually, we don't know for sure if that's the first time it was *used* it may have been used when she was a baby, but was dormant for 16 years.
Wait - didn't they say she was supposed to have died in a fire when she
was a baby and that she miraculously survivded and then the company got her? I thought her mom didn't have her b/c she thought she was dead in the fire... Or was that all staged by the company?
AmazingBob
Oct 4 2007, 05:42 PM
QUOTE (Hiro420 @ Oct 3 2007, 05:48 PM)

Wait - didn't they say she was supposed to have died in a fire when she was a baby and that she miraculously survivded and then the company got her? I thought her mom didn't have her b/c she thought she was dead in the fire... Or was that all staged by the company?
It wasn't staged it actually happened, but the company was coming to get the mom but then she made the house catch fire to escape. It was in a online comic.
thanners
Oct 4 2007, 11:06 PM
QUOTE (MoeBetta @ Oct 4 2007, 07:41 AM)

True. But he passed out right after he came out of the water. Isn't that a bit odd?
He was also probably drunk. (c:
companyman75
Oct 4 2007, 11:22 PM
claire was in a cot and nowhere near the fire when noah and claude rescued her.
aulduron
Oct 5 2007, 08:09 AM
Had Claire been burned, then healed, as a baby, they'd have known about her power. They wouldn't have needed to watch for her to manifest, and would have taken her right away.
blueicesjt
Oct 5 2007, 08:55 AM
I thought that Kensei's power was that he was immortal and could be the guy who controls insects.
BlueDMighty
Oct 5 2007, 11:49 AM
well he's deffinately the guy that killed you know who.
Rabbit
Oct 5 2007, 12:11 PM
Possible, but it's more likely that Kensei has some kind of immortality/indestructible power.
isitmondayyet?
Oct 5 2007, 12:18 PM
QUOTE (Rabbit @ Oct 5 2007, 12:11 PM)

Possible, but it's more likely that Kensei has some kind of immortality/indestructible power.
as has been mentioned elsewhere, it's a useful power to have if you want to, say, cut out your own heart
rhymyx
Oct 5 2007, 01:09 PM
QUOTE
I'm talking about the part where Kensai gets shot by the arrows and apparently dies then gets brought back. Some people seem to think that he has Claire's powers. I don't think he does, Remember back in the episode where Hiro told Ando to leave and then got on the bus with Stan Lee as the driver. During the firefight, the girl, i think her name was Hope or something, shot Hiro but he reversed time around the gun and made the bullet go back into the gun, and the look of confusion on her face clearly said that she noticed it happening.
So this is what I think, in a strong moment of not being able to watch his hero die and wanting him to live Hiro unknowingly used this power of reversing time on a specific area to have Kensai's wounds never happen.
Another thing, Claire has had her power since she was born, that specific power seems to be one you don't have a control over, it just happens and it happens from birth, so Kensai would have known if he had the ability and if he knew that something tells me he wouldn't have become a drunk and would have fought knowing that he couldn't die.
Just my thoughts, sorry if this has already been mentioned.
hiro 's power is somewhat like orihime's healing power.
Imthehero
Oct 5 2007, 08:27 PM
ok, imo the reason claire survived the fire was cause of her power, i mean come on, a baby survive a big freaking fire? what are the odds on that one?
also, wouldn't kensei's regen power keep him from being able to get drunk, as his body would "heal" itself?
and finally, if kensei was indestructable, the arrows would have bounced off, and he deffinatly looked dead, so my vote is for regeneration/healing.
blueicesjt
Oct 5 2007, 09:54 PM
QUOTE (Imthehero @ Oct 6 2007, 12:27 AM)

ok, imo the reason claire survived the fire was cause of her power, i mean come on, a baby survive a big freaking fire? what are the odds on that one?
also, wouldn't kensei's regen power keep him from being able to get drunk, as his body would "heal" itself?
and finally, if kensei was indestructable, the arrows would have bounced off, and he deffinatly looked dead, so my vote is for regeneration/healing.
If Claire survived the fire because of her regen power as a baby, why did Kaito Nakamura tell HRG to turn her in if she manifests. Plus, all while she was growing up, you'd think at some point she'd scrape her knee or something and see herself heal. But she didn't really notice it til she cut her hand in "Six Months Later". That's what piqued her curiosity and made her start testing herself.
Imthehero
Oct 6 2007, 09:50 AM
i admit, it isn't a "for sure" conclusion, but why go through the trouble of setting up the whole "baby survives a big ****** fire" scenario if it isn't to hint at her future power? besides, it isnt as if kaito "saw" her heal, they just found her and decided to keep her around "just in case". as for her not healing until she cut herself, maybe her body reacted to the issure of being burned alive by activating her dormant power to save her life, and that was the only issue "big enough" to require her power before she "manifested". also, the whole manifesting issue seems pretty flexible, as a the age rage spans from a 11 year old technopath to a 30 somthing mindreading cop, so who is to say what causes manifestation?
Rabbit
Oct 6 2007, 11:06 AM
QUOTE (isitmondayyet? @ Oct 5 2007, 03:18 PM)

as has been mentioned elsewhere, it's a useful power to have if you want to, say, cut out your own heart
Which is why I tend to think that it's immortality. When Kensei gets shot, it appears that he does actually die, but then comes back to life with his wounds healed. Claire would have juse pulled them out and been on her way.
Tyrell34
Oct 6 2007, 12:33 PM
QUOTE (Imthehero @ Oct 6 2007, 09:50 AM)

so who is to say what causes manifestation?
The eclipse?
Nanosauromo
Oct 6 2007, 06:09 PM
I think that Kensai only heals if the wound is fatal. So while he can heal those arrow wounds, he wouldn't be able to grow back his toe.
soccerfreak_jfj
Oct 7 2007, 12:54 PM
I am thinking that Kensei = Linderman. Point in case, we really don't know how old linderman is or if he is really dead and gone. Also, the Company seems to have been started by someone, but who or whom. If Linderman can heal then he could still be alive and is part of the Founders (the members that are being killed off) and why the helix is kensei's flag and and is still found in the present. It would also explain why it is Linderman who has the sword along with many other "old" items. I also think that Linderman could speak Japanise as well as have some type of power to heal. Just some thoughts i had from watching Episode 201 and with the manifestation of Kensei "healing" himself in Episode 202.
patjsjr
Oct 7 2007, 02:41 PM
QUOTE (soccerfreak_jfj @ Oct 7 2007, 12:54 PM)

I am thinking that Kensei = Linderman. Point in case, we really don't know how old linderman is or if he is really dead and gone. Also, the Company seems to have been started by someone, but who or whom. If Linderman can heal then he could still be alive and is part of the Founders (the members that are being killed off) and why the helix is kensei's flag and and is still found in the present. It would also explain why it is Linderman who has the sword along with many other "old" items. I also think that Linderman could speak Japanise as well as have some type of power to heal. Just some thoughts i had from watching Episode 201 and with the manifestation of Kensei "healing" himself in Episode 202.
Linderman was shown in one of the graphic novels to be in his twenties around the time of the Vietnam War. He also obtained all those pieces of art and artifacts to protect them from the world. He was lying on the floor for quite some in his office in How To Stop An Exploding Man yet there were no signs of him healing.
Aerishka
Oct 8 2007, 08:21 PM
QUOTE (Imthehero @ Oct 6 2007, 09:50 AM)

i admit, it isn't a "for sure" conclusion, but why go through the trouble of setting up the whole "baby survives a big ****** fire" scenario if it isn't to hint at her future power? besides, it isnt as if kaito "saw" her heal, they just found her and decided to keep her around "just in case". as for her not healing until she cut herself, maybe her body reacted to the issure of being burned alive by activating her dormant power to save her life, and that was the only issue "big enough" to require her power before she "manifested". also, the whole manifesting issue seems pretty flexible, as a the age rage spans from a 11 year old technopath to a 30 somthing mindreading cop, so who is to say what causes manifestation?
Okay, to end this discussion check out the online graphic novel about this...I don't know the number exactly but it's there...In the graphic novel here's what happened:
Claude and HRG were sent by the company to bag and tag Meredith. Claude went in first then there were flames everywhere. (It wasn't clarified if it was intentional or if Meredith panicked and flames just burst out of her) Anyway, Claude was injured and Bennet went in to check. Meredith was gone but he found a baby inside a crib. There were flames all around but the crib was still intact and has not been damaged yet. Which means, the fire hasn't reached it yet. Therefore the baby (Claire) was unharmed and had no need to regenerate. Bennet picked her up and took her to safety. That's all there is...If the baby had been burned then her clothes would have been burned too and the Company would immediately suspect that the baby has some sort of powers...but it wasn't...
DrStrange
Oct 8 2007, 08:26 PM
I think that this is a good place to bring this question up:
In the legend, Kensei rips his heart out to give it to the dragon. What does this tell us about the rest of Hiro's adventure with Kensei? I think that Kensei and Hiro fight over the love of the swordsmith's daughter. What's unclear is what parts of the legend are done by Hiro/his influence and which parts are about Takezo.
Aerishka
Oct 8 2007, 08:26 PM
QUOTE (Rabbit @ Oct 6 2007, 11:06 AM)

Which is why I tend to think that it's immortality. When Kensei gets shot, it appears that he does actually die, but then comes back to life with his wounds healed. Claire would have juse pulled them out and been on her way.
I definitely agree...Immortality is more plausible...Besides he looked seriously hurt when the arrows hit him...Claire doesn't feel pain so it can't be the same power...And it took quite a while before the wound healed when in Claire's case it would have been intantaneous...So I agree that he did die and came back to life...
DrStrange
Oct 8 2007, 08:47 PM
QUOTE (Aerishka @ Oct 8 2007, 11:26 PM)

Claire doesn't feel pain so it can't be the same power...
She says
something to absolutely refute this claim. She tells West that she still feels pain in tonight's episode
MissFuneralSong
Oct 14 2007, 06:00 PM
QUOTE (DrStrange @ Oct 9 2007, 02:47 PM)

She says something to absolutely refute this claim. She tells West that she still feels pain in tonight's episode
She also tells Lyle this in a season 1 deleted scene, where we also learn that
Lyle is also adopted.
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