Another thread got me thinking..

How long to you think Peter had been in the steel crate when the Irish boys got to him? I am thinking not TOO long because if it had been any great amount of time, he could have got out like he did the ropes right?

So, who put him there?

What would be the point of the Haitian Mind Wiping him?

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ya true, he musta been in there for barely anytime at all because when he wakes up he's really confused and dosen't know his name.
and true, what was his motives for wiping his brain?!?

Maybe Noah Bennet had the Haitian wipe peters brain so that he doesn't come after Claire..since he wants to lay low n everything.

I'm sure we'll find all this out in Four Months Ago...

Why does everyone insist that the Haitian did it. I think it just happed. The Haitian has been awol and there was no way for him to ever know where Peter went after the explosion.

sometimes people way over stretch their imaginations. I bet the writers love reading some of this.

Because the Haitian wipes people's memories, and Peter is wearing the Haitian's necklace.

Yeah, i take it everyone noticed that the Haitian wasn't wearing one anymore? It was the final bit of proof that Pete's new necklace and the Haitian's were one and the same, not that most of us really needed it, but its still nice to have.

Well, "proof" might be overstating it a little, but it's certainly another heavy hint.

I don't think the Haitian mindwiped Peter, either. I think he's just got amnesia. There's no reason for Peter to be mindwiped and by the looks of it, the Haitian was in no condition to mindwipe anybody what with him having the disease and all.

I don't think Peter was in the box too long, though.
I think it must've been recent. Like, a day ago or something at most... that's just my hunch, though!

That we know of.

Yes, that we know of as of now.
But, I think that if the Haitian really did mindwipe Peter... he wouldn't be in the condition he's in now. I mean, I know four months have passed. But, I guess I just don't believe the Haitian did it yet.

I don't really have much evidence he didn't though.
Just my gut instinct.

I agree there are a lot of hints pointing to the Haitian. However, the Haitian can only take memories from the point when he is actually present. Peter couldn't remember anything before seeing the Irish mobsters. I'd say the max he could have been unconscious is two days, three at the outside, in a crate with no food or water. So if the Haitian did take his memories, that only leaves a few days for all these events:
- The Haitian goes back to Haiti
- The Haitian gets sick from the virus
- The Company learns about the location and condition of The Haitian
- Mohinder goes to Haiti to cure the Haitian

I suppose it's possible, but it seems unlikely. Aside from that, I don't see what motive the Haitian would have in this. If he was working with The Company, it would have been to bring Peter in for study, not to throw him in a crate to be discovered by Irish Mobsters.

For me though, the biggest problem with the Haitian doing this is that it makes the memory loss permanent. The Haitian has said himself that he cannot replace the memories he takes. I doubt very much they are going to move forward with Peter having no chance to regain his former memories.

I know the argument from some people is going to be "but Peter has Charlie's power from Sylar." OK, *maybe* this power could restore his memories, but it's a stretch. The Haitian actually removes memories from the mind, there is nothing left to remember, no matter how perfect your recall is.

I know there is a lot of evidence to the contrary, but I still don't believe the Haitian took Peter's memories.

Quoted for truth...

Quoted because I concur.

When the Haitian said "that's not how my power works", it only mean that he, at the time he said it, was not aware of anyway he could use his power to recover memories... So that leaves several possibilities open:

I) It is possible that the Haitian absorbs the memories he take (that may be an alternative explanation of why he was seeing spirits of the wipe minds in the GN, instead of simply "he was high on herbs"), but as far as he know, he cannot send it back to the victim... So it's not actually a "erasure", but rather a "transferral"... It is possible that he may eventually realize that he can use his "memory transferal" power to take memories from himself (including the ones taken from others) and implant them into others...
II) It is possible that these memories are actually suppressed, not erased despite what he beliefs, and that he may learn to re-activate them again...
III) The memories are suppressed, not erased. The Haitian was right: he himself actually do not have the power to reactivate them. But another individual with mental manipulations power may be able to re-activate them...

Well, silly me went back to check the frame by frame from last year just to make sure it was the same. To geekie here!

I'm guessing he was only in there for a week... not to long other wise he would've died of starvation and thirst.

Well, as far as Peter's Amnesia goes, here's my explanation theory. Peter EXPLODED, for all intent and purposes. Great physical trauma or shock can and does cause amnesia in real life to people. I'd say a nuclear level explosion could wipe an entire memory, but that brings up another question. How in the world did Nathan survive taking Peter up into the sky when the explosion happened? I know people say that he let Peter go and zoomed away, but I'd like to know for sure.

So did Ted... No, not that time in Company Man when Claire stopped him in time, but an actual explosion "Somewhere in the Nevada Desert" in that GN about him... His memory was fine enough afterwards to continue moaning about how the Company made him killed his wife and to team up with Matt for revenge...

Indeed, it was by seeing the effect of Ted's power on himself, who clearly doesn't have any regeneration power, that we found out whoever wield that nuclear power is totally immune to its effect...

But would he? Don't forget he can regenerate. That might mean that he doesn't actually need to eat or drink.

For what it's worth, the post-traumatic amnesia angle would be a pretty weak explanation of his memory loss (not the the writers might not go that route). Why? Because Peter has the healing power from Claire. Post-Traumatic Amnesia is the result of damage to the brain. Peter's ability to heal would minimize the effects of such trauma. Not to mention that post-traumatic amnesia is the probably one of the most misused fictional story element cliches ever (this is not how true post-traumatic amnesia works the majority of the time).

A much more believable story line would either include the Haitian's power or a psychological block (his subconscious believes he killed he brother in the blast, so it has shut down all memory prior to a certain point).

What if Peter did survive the explosion and met back up with the others that were there at Kirby plaza? What if they all made a pact to go after the company that tried to make the explosion happen? With Noah's knowledge of the company, they may have all gone their seperate ways and each tried to inflitrate a different section of the company. Maybe Peter's "amnesia" isn't real, he's just faking it as a way of getting inside this Irish mafia group that is led by one of the founders? Just like Mohinder faked being mind wiped, as part of his plot to get inside the company.

It would make sense, each would have their own role to play in bringing the company down.

Noah's job - lay low and pretend he is just hiding/on the run while really coordinating all the efforts and providing his knowledge of the company.

Peters job - Inflitrate the Irish mob guys organization and get close to that founder.

Mohinder- his role is obvious.

Niki - Joins the company, and is a double agent like Mohinder.

Matt - Maybe he is actually trying to get close to a founder that is in a position of power with in the NYPD? Or maybe just to help cover up the actions of the other heroes?

Nathan - Pretending to be upset because of his brothers death. They need to convince Angela that her son is really dead, otherwise she may tell the other founders he is alive and ruin thier well laid plans.


The only thing that throws a total wrench in this fun theory I really enjoyed coming up with...Noah seems to want to find the other founders that are in the paintings and help save them. Which really contradicts his whole bringing down the company thing. Why try to save the leaders of a company that you are trying to stop? Even without my way out there theory, this still doesn't make sense. In fact, I'm surprised no one has started a thread to discuss why Noah would be trying to save those that he is trying to stop, the same people he is running from?

It's a possibility, but Idk if the writers will go that far into the powers. LoL.

I'm sure everything will be explained.

I think someone other than the Haitian was involved as indicated by Peter's new blue zapping power. Whoever moved him there had that power for him to absorb.

I think he got the amnesia some other way other than the explosion. One reason is because the explosion happened 4 months ago. You mean to tell me he's been wandering around clueless as to who he is all this time? Plus the Irish guy said that he's got all of Peter's personal effects in the box -- everything they found on him -- wallet, credit cards, etc. Which is kinda odd because if you blow up, you'd think that your clothes and everything on you would pretty much go poof.

What if the Irish guy is a special too. What if he can suck someone's identity and memories right out of them and put it in his little box? Sounds like something that would be pretty useful against Sylar too. And the perfect reason for him to leave mid-season to film Star Trek and come back in time for the end of the season.

Thoughts anyone?

Harsh, I was being a bit nice lol and hey you actually posted a nice reply so thanks...and he got the electrical powers from Kristin Bell's character most likely.

Ah, everyone has stuff they need to get off their chest every now and then...

I think you're right about the electricity based powers. Now the question is if the Haitian did indeed wipe Peter's mind, what is her connection to the Haitian.

Also, one would have to assume that if it was the Haitian, he would have done the mind-wiping close to Peter being discovered (cuz it looked like Peter was just coming to). However, according to "Lizards", the Haitian was in Haiti suffering from the Shanti Virus.

Guess we'll have to stay tuned...

The Haitian doesn't have to be connected to the girl Peter got the electrical powers from as it has been 4 months after all. I think people assume he just absorbed her power because he just used it, like people say the person who put him in the crate had a power and that was the electrical power. For all we know he got the power as far back as a few months ago, after all the other powers he exhibited while amnesiac so far are powers he got 4 months back in Kirby Square and the TK he got even further back so who's to say the electrical powers weren't gain awhile back.

As for the Haitian wiping his memory then being sick. The virus seems to not have a set time it takes to kill people in so its possible the Haitian contracted the virus after wiping Peter's memory and was so susceptible to it that he only had a few days until he die from it because remember Mohinder said that if he didn't come so soon he would of died very soon..I think he said he be dead by morning. Or maybe the virus is getting stronger and killing faster.

Good point about Peter meeting the girl way before he got mind-wiped. Definite possibility.

I do think there is more to the Irish dude and his box. I don't think it just has a wallet and credit cards and such. Why not open it and show Peter? No, there's something else in there. The box is just too... nice, I guess... for it to hold just a wallet and credit cards.

Plus the Irish dude doesn't seem all that shocked that Peter has powers.

If you watched the episode with commentary you find out how they chose what the box look like. They wanted a nice looking box because by all accounts they could of made it a paper bag lol.

and a question would be why after wiping Peter's mind, a whole box of his identity, and the Haitian's necklace was left with him... (It's like shooting someone, then delibrately leave at the scene of crime a gun with your name engraved in it) If the Haitian did do it, it's almost as if he not only want Peter to remember, but also to know that the he was the one responsible and to eventually seek him out...

I just read something on another thread that made me think of this. Peter's powers used to be hindered by his emotions and his "cluttered mind" according to Claude. What if someone mind-wiped him on purpose to clear his mind so his powers become more instinctive? So now he's basically a well-honed efficient weapon.

my theory is that peter's storyline is four months behind everyone else's, tht he got to ireland immediately after the explosion, and four months later, mimicked candace's power to become peter, that's why the 'current nathan' is so sure tht peter is alive. tht sort of explains nathan's reflection. I also think that these irish people somehow made him become the 'hooded killer'.

There is no guarantee that Peter is being shown four months later. The events we are seeing for him might not be concurrent with the events of the rest of the current era events.

I agree that there is no evidence to suggest that what is happening to Peter is not in the present (in the timeline of the show). One would assume that if his story happened 4 months ago, then we wouldn't see him until the episode "Four Months Ago".

++ That reminds me of what some of us thought about the Matt storyline last season (that Matt was a cop 15 years ago, and Molly = Claire in the past), until Six Months Ago just pretty much invalidated it... So I think it's not their style to show events in the past without stating it... it's more their style to show simultaneous events in several parts of the world (which apparently AKA the United States most of the time in the show )...

++ I agree that the "improbable" argument don't apply to Heroes... Its theme of predestination seems to say that regardless of how improbable or fantastical something is, if it is fated to happen, the universe will ensure that it happens even though it utterly buffers the limited minds of human beings... In fact, as I posted in season 1, I think that's what the "eclipse" really symbolize: to those who do not understand how an eclipse works, it seems a fantastic and improbable event, it seems impossible that the sun itself can be darken in the middle of the day (parallel to the incredible coincidences, and the improbable mutations that are required to give rise to the powers in the show), yet in reality it's merely an inevitable results of the way the celestrial bodies orbit each other, that there is a cause and pattern many people may not recognize (the orbits of the astronomical objects correspond to the course of destiny, just as the orbits cause the eclipse the destiny inevitably causes these series of inevitable events to occur... a greater design which cannot be comprehended and is only occassionally recognized by the human characters such as the Haitian and Hiro)

Hey guys and gals!

Just a quick warning.

I had to split a few posts out. I did not take the time to just edit out the inappropriate parts. I just pulled the posts. Part of me figures, if you post flames, well, ya run the risk of losing the good along with the bad.

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