Valerfore
Oct 3 2007, 06:45 PM
I'm quite surprised nobody has mentioned it yet.
West can fly, Nathan can fly.
West is the same age as Claire, Nathan's daughter.
Nathan is a known "casanova"
Seems like this romance is heading towards a cliche ending..
FoxHoundito
Oct 3 2007, 07:06 PM
QUOTE (Valerfore @ Oct 3 2007, 09:45 PM)

I'm quite surprised nobody has mentioned it yet.
West can fly, Nathan can fly.
West is the same age as Claire, Nathan's daughter.
Nathan is a known "casanova"
Seems like this romance is heading towards a cliche ending..
Duplicated powers are not necessarily indicating a genetic connection. This has been stated by the show's wirters at cbr.com. Besides, as they've said, who says that the manifestation of any kind of power is product of a specific genetic code or if it is determined by one's heart? We know that the predisposition to
manifest a power is passed on at least genetically, but what about the s
pecialization of this characteristic?
Valerfore
Oct 3 2007, 07:13 PM
Woah, I'm just saying that its a big possibility. Explains their "chemistry" as well.
FearTheHobbits
Oct 3 2007, 07:29 PM
QUOTE (Valerfore @ Oct 3 2007, 10:13 PM)

Woah, I'm just saying that its a big possibility. Explains their "chemistry" as well.
Not quite sure where you're going with this. Genetics really have nothing to do with how well you get along with someone.
First Kensei appears to heal and people say "He could be the related to Claire" and now just because West can fly people say "Hey is could be the son of Nathan".
People come on, just because there powers are similar, look similar, are the same or whatever doesn't mean there is any sort of connection. Sure it doesn't mean there isn't a connection but I thinks its just too obvious and easy for the writers for any of it to be truly possible.
Webs
Oct 3 2007, 08:15 PM
i thought valerfore was getting at the notion of "girls end up marrying guys similar to their dads" (or boys marrying girls similar to their mother). especially since claire is definitely wanting to have some sort of acknowledgement from nathan.
now seeing how other people are taking it, i'm thinking star wars w/ luke and leia?
i guess i'm not familiar with what "cliche ending" is most common now...
trollface
Oct 4 2007, 01:44 AM
Perhaps they're trying to make the relationship as icky and wrong as possible? I can just imagine them sitting there going "well, sure, he's a stalker, but is that enough?", "How about if we made him her brother, too?", "Wonderful! That'll make 'em squirm".
JaDash
Oct 4 2007, 12:58 PM
ew. so not only will there be an influx of claire-peter "shipping" on the internet, but there'll be another claire-and-her-brother "shipping"? can't the writers create a chemistry-with-claire character that's NOT related to her?
kitty
Oct 4 2007, 01:01 PM
QUOTE (Valerfore @ Oct 3 2007, 04:45 PM)

I'm quite surprised nobody has mentioned it yet.
West can fly, Nathan can fly.
West is the same age as Claire, Nathan's daughter.
Nathan is a known "casanova"
Seems like this romance is heading towards a cliche ending..
I'm not really getting this metaphor :/
AmazingBob
Oct 4 2007, 02:32 PM
QUOTE (314 @ Oct 3 2007, 09:48 PM)

First Kensei appears to heal and people say "He could be the related to Claire" and now just because West can fly people say "Hey is could be the son of Nathan".
People come on, just because there powers are similar, look similar, are the same or whatever doesn't mean there is any sort of connection. Sure it doesn't mean there isn't a connection but I thinks its just too obvious and easy for the writers for any of it to be truly possible.
THANK YOU!
I've been saying this repeaditly but nobody seems to listen to me or see the same point of view, except the guy a few posts above you.
QUOTE (AmazingBob @ Oct 4 2007, 06:32 PM)

THANK YOU!
I've been saying this repeaditly but nobody seems to listen to me or see the same point of view, except the guy a few posts above you.
Your welcome, I think people are just so willing to believe anything they are forgetting there common sense. Like with Hiro's mother being Angela just because she said she screwed his father in the past..I mean come on people lol.
Islington
Oct 4 2007, 03:34 PM
Can we maybe compare this to something else? From what I can tell, these powers are genetic, something within someones DNA, right? So lets do this shall we:
West can fly, Nathan can fly, they must be related.
I have blue eyes, Joe so and so from Europe has blue eyes. We MUST be related, theres just no one else right?
Whenever someone comes up with a "related" theory...this is what I'm thinking.
Valerfore
Oct 4 2007, 08:05 PM
QUOTE (Islington @ Oct 4 2007, 03:34 PM)

Can we maybe compare this to something else? From what I can tell, these powers are genetic, something within someones DNA, right? So lets do this shall we:
West can fly, Nathan can fly, they must be related.
I have blue eyes, Joe so and so from Europe has blue eyes. We MUST be related, theres just no one else right?
Whenever someone comes up with a "related" theory...this is what I'm thinking.
Erm, actually, if both of you have blue eyes, you ARE related, just that your ancestors probably date back tens of thousands of years ago.
Furthermore, blue eyes are a common trait whereas the ability to fly is a rare trait that probably only 2 people i
n the Heroes world has it.
Take the example of basketball, if you are a good basketball player, chances are your son will be good as well.
Now look at how the series is going. We are starting to see many "repeated" powers, and this season is called "Generations". It kinda makes sense that there is some sort of relationship between people with similar powers, don't you think?
AmazingBob
Oct 5 2007, 05:54 AM
QUOTE (Valerfore @ Oct 4 2007, 10:05 PM)

Erm, actually, if both of you have blue eyes, you ARE related, just that your ancestors probably date back tens of thousands of years ago.
Furthermore, blue eyes are a common trait whereas the ability to fly is a rare trait that probably only 2 people in the Heroes world has it.
Take the example of basketball, if you are a good basketball player, chances are your son will be good as well.
Now look at how the series is going. We are starting to see many "repeated" powers, and this season is called "Generations". It kinda makes sense that there is some sort of relationship between people with similar powers, don't you think?
well no, again i have to bring up the example of Micah. His power is nothing like his parents.
another thing, HEROES is about evolution, humans evolving to acomplish great things and take their specices to the next stage. If there have been powers for hundreds of years and it still is only to a select few people then we can't be evolving and the show contradicts itself.
yes the volume is called generations, it's about a relationship but not the one your thinking of. This volume is about the original company, the one that Linderman and Papa Petrelli started up. This volume has 11 episodes in it, there are 8 people of the original Company that are still alive and that someone wants to kill. So what do you think will happen? Will the writers just mess around with the family trees? Or will they perhaps continue with the story and tell us who these other 7 are?
trollface
Oct 5 2007, 07:11 AM
QUOTE (AmazingBob @ Oct 5 2007, 02:54 PM)

another thing, HEROES is about evolution, humans evolving to acomplish great things and take their specices to the next stage. If there have been powers for hundreds of years and it still is only to a select few people then we can't be evolving and the show contradicts itself.
Evolution takes millions of years.
taffysaur
Oct 5 2007, 08:22 PM
Nathan can fly. Claire's mother can generate fire. Claire can regenerate cells and body parts. None of them has the same power, so powers are almost definitely not inherited, or at least; just because you have the same power as someone, doesn't mean you are related.
In fact, from the evidence we've been presented with so far (someone mentioned Micah, also think about Peter), you are 100% certain to have different power from the powers your family members possess.
jezzikaa
Oct 5 2007, 08:35 PM
QUOTE (314 @ Oct 3 2007, 11:48 PM)

First Kensei appears to heal and people say "He could be the related to Claire" and now just because West can fly people say "Hey is could be the son of Nathan".
People come on, just because there powers are similar, look similar, are the same or whatever doesn't mean there is any sort of connection. Sure it doesn't mean there isn't a connection but I thinks its just too obvious and easy for the writers for any of it to be truly possible.
exactly, and may i also add that i dont think that kring would write about 2 people with special abilitys that start liking eachother and then find out they are related. that would gross alot of people out, and question why kring would write about something that strange.
blueicesjt
Oct 5 2007, 09:38 PM
I'm wondering if there is more to West than meets the eye. I mean, I know he suspects that Claire has a special ability like he does, it's just... he's watching her just a little too closely, ya know?
trollface
Oct 6 2007, 03:03 AM
QUOTE (blueicesjt @ Oct 6 2007, 06:38 AM)

I mean, I know he suspects that Claire has a special ability like he does, it's just... he's watching her just a little too closely, ya know?
He's seen her cut off her toe and watched it regrow. I think he does a little more than suspect.
The Lazarus Man
Oct 6 2007, 03:15 AM
QUOTE (Valerfore @ Oct 3 2007, 07:45 PM)

I'm quite surprised nobody has mentioned it yet.
West can fly, Nathan can fly.
West is the same age as Claire, Nathan's daughter.
Nathan is a known "casanova"
Seems like this romance is heading towards a cliche ending..
I don't think NBC would push incest as a story plot during prime time.
miloo409
Oct 6 2007, 05:09 AM
QUOTE (The Lazarus Man @ Oct 6 2007, 03:15 AM)

I don't think NBC would push incest as a story plot during prime time.
I agree, that would make Heroes a soap opera
blueicesjt
Oct 6 2007, 07:57 AM
QUOTE (trollface @ Oct 6 2007, 07:03 AM)

He's seen her cut off her toe and watched it regrow. I think he does a little more than suspect.
LOL!

True! No, I mean even before that. All the stalking and peeping. But who knows, could have just been raging teen hormones.
Anakoreta
Oct 7 2007, 02:42 PM
Well.. if they do make West some how related to Claire, I'd laugh. XD
All of Claire's relationships seemed doomed don't they?
1: Zach: gay
2: Peter: Her Uncle
Kenobi
Oct 7 2007, 04:08 PM
I'm thinking they won't be related. It would be a little weird, and it wouldn't be strange if West had a similiar power to Nathan's but they weren't related. Heroes mechanics probably work a lot different then most comic books. They probably aren't going with one power per person.
They might just have given him flying because it made her dad cool, and who doesn't have freud issues? I mean really =p
Here is hoping he is evil, and working with Mr. Muggles to take over the worlds Starbucks.
ElectricShock
Oct 7 2007, 04:16 PM
QUOTE (blueicesjt @ Oct 6 2007, 01:38 AM)

I'm wondering if there is more to West than meets the eye. I mean, I know he suspects that Claire has a special ability like he does, it's just... he's watching her just a little too closely, ya know?
That's what leads some of my friends to think that he's a spy from The Company. I'm starting to agree with them..
A couple things.
1) That 3 minute preview showed them kissing so I at this point extremely doubt the possibility of Nathan being related to West as like others said they would not do a incest thing..course I never thought the two were related..just like when further proof shows what I thought was right.
2) In the same preview we saw West was tagged by the Company..this could mean he works for them or that they just tagged him like they have done to so many special people and that the meeting with Bob was a result of them deciding to bring him in again.
That's just some stuff to chew on.
Aerishka
Oct 8 2007, 12:03 AM
QUOTE (314 @ Oct 7 2007, 10:11 PM)

A couple things.
1) That 3 minute preview showed them kissing so I at this point extremely doubt the possibility of Nathan being related to West as like others said they would not do a incest thing..course I never thought the two were related..just like when further proof shows what I thought was right.
2) In the same preview we saw West was tagged by the Company..this could mean he works for them or that they just tagged him like they have done to so many special people and that the meeting with Bob was a result of them deciding to bring him in again.
That's just some stuff to chew on.
Nicely put! I can't believe people are still arguing about this when the facts are already clearly laid out!
1. West isn't a spy for the Company. If you read the online novel: "Flying Blind" it clearly shows that West is just your average teenager. He's watching Claire closely because he finds her interesting and he desperately wants to ask her out although he still doesn't have enough courage to do so. Besides, if West works for the Company then he should have already known about Claire's ability. But at the end of "Lizards", West was utterly surprised to see Claire's toe grow back. And as 314 said, West was also bagged and tagged by the Company..so there!
2. About West being Nathan's son...Come on people! Let's not keep arguing about something so freaking impossible. To clear up this issue here's an excerpt from the CBR interview of the writers of Heroes,
Joe and Aron:
"Claire's new classmate West can fly. This brings up an interesting question about the heroes - can two different people have identical powers? And going back to Neal's theory above, does this necessarily indicate a genetic link? Are Claire and the classmate going to end up being the Luke and Leia of "Heroes?" First off, Ew. And no, similar powers do not mean a genetic link. We've seen that the existence of powers may be something passed on, but the powers themselves are a crapshoot of sorts. For example, phase-man + strength-girl = talks to machines. We hit a crossroads as we stared populating our universe with more characters. To duplicate powers or not to duplicate powers. The thing we loved about duplication of powers was that it spoke to character more purely. If Claire can regenerate – does that define her character – or does it come from her heart? The best way to explore that is to find someone else who can regenerate. (So, keep an eye out for that person.)"
QUOTE (Aerishka @ Oct 8 2007, 04:03 AM)

1. West isn't a spy for the Company. If you read the online novel: "Flying Blind" it clearly shows that West is just your average teenager. He's watching Claire closely because he finds her interesting and he desperately wants to ask her out although he still doesn't have enough courage to do so. Besides, if West works for the Company then he should have already known about Claire's ability. But at the end of "Lizards", West was utterly surprised to see Claire's toe grow back. And as 314 said, West was also bagged and tagged by the Company..so there!
Ya I really never thought he was a spy, I think Bob and them meet up because they decided to take him in again or something along those lines or maybe they found Noah and are trying to get his daughter as well with West just happening to be there.
Either way we don't have long to find out as the show will be coming in less than a day.
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Oct 8 2007, 01:59 AM
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