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boonskank
They can't cure her of her abilities.

The only thing that she could be talking about is if she has the Shanti virus.
praline
Maybe they are trying to mutate the virus ... the virus stops the victims power but also kills them (bad side effect laugh.gif ) maybe they are using Mohinder's blood to stop it from killing the victim but take away the power?
Chrispminis
No, she means her abilities.

It has never been said that the powers were incurable. Mohinder himself wants to give people the option of curing themselves. At least, they should be able to create an inhibitor.
Aerdna
But she seemed to embrace her powers in the season finale...I don't see why she'd need a cure for that.

Unless, there are other dead souls possessing her. Maybe she has two abilities and she can't control the second one.
boonskank
QUOTE (Chrispminis @ Oct 8 2007, 09:19 PM) *
No, she means her abilities.

It has never been said that the powers were incurable. Mohinder himself wants to give people the option of curing themselves. At least, they should be able to create an inhibitor.



ACTUALLY...

After five years or so and MILLIONS, if not BILLIONS, of dollars worth of research, Mohinder said HIMSELF to Sylar (posing as Nathan) that even if he had more time and more money he would probably never be able to reverse people's abilities.

So I'll ask again. What exactly is it that she expects to be cured of?
314
QUOTE (praline @ Oct 8 2007, 10:18 PM) *
Maybe they are trying to mutate the virus ... the virus stops the victims power but also kills them (bad side effect laugh.gif ) maybe they are using Mohinder's blood to stop it from killing the victim but take away the power?

Its possible they could change the virus to just eliminate a person's power if given the time and enough samples of the virus and Mohinders blood to play with.

As for Niki wanting her powers, while she may of accepted them to save her family it doesn't mean she still doesn't want to be normal..look how she talked to Micah about having a normal life.

Also boonskank you have to remember in the alternate future the virus wasn't prevalent like it is now so its presence makes things much different now.
Foxontherun
I'm wagering a guess here that it's the virus, which may have very well killed D.L.
Dr. Chaos
QUOTE (boonskank @ Oct 8 2007, 10:15 PM) *
They can't cure her of her abilities.

The only thing that she could be talking about is if she has the Shanti virus.

You forget, Niki is still not completely sure whats happened to her.

She doesn't have Mohinder or Chandra's book, she's still kind of out of the loop.
Doctor Moreau
QUOTE (boonskank @ Oct 8 2007, 10:48 PM) *
ACTUALLY...

After five years or so and MILLIONS, if not BILLIONS, of dollars worth of research, Mohinder said HIMSELF to Sylar (posing as Nathan) that even if he had more time and more money he would probably never be able to reverse people's abilities.

So I'll ask again. What exactly is it that she expects to be cured of?


That really doesn't mean anything. Mohinder, after five years and millions of dollars woth of research, concludes that these abilities can't be cured. This has no relation to what Niki is and isn't aware of. It's made pretty clear, in tonight's episode, that she's not so willing to embrace her powers anymore.
boonskank
QUOTE (Dr. Chaos @ Oct 8 2007, 09:52 PM) *
You forget, Niki is still not completely sure whats happened to her.

She doesn't have Mohinder or Chandra's book, she's still kind of out of the loop.


but Bob isnt out of the loop and he promised Niki he could cure her. so I guess I'll just have to wait and see of what.
keybladehero
its one of two things

A. The virus, and she doest understand why her powers are not working so she tells Micah not to use his so he doest suspect whats wrong with her.

B. she wishes to be cured of the abilites to live anormal life, maybe she ripped a few doors off the hinges and doesnt like to pay the bill to fix it,

besides, whatever happend in the future is no longer fact, it was a possible future for a reason, and this was before they new of the shanti virus, it seems that they had no clue of it in the future, and yeah niki doesnt have a book or anyone else who can supply her with some answers
boonskank
QUOTE (Doctor Moreau @ Oct 8 2007, 09:56 PM) *
That really doesn't mean anything. Mohinder, after five years and millions of dollars woth of research, concludes that these abilities can't be cured. This has no relation to what Niki is and isn't aware of. It's made pretty clear, in tonight's episode, that she's not so willing to embrace her powers anymore.



umm... what? How is Niki any different than anyone with an ability?
Dr. Chaos
QUOTE (boonskank @ Oct 8 2007, 10:57 PM) *
but Bob isnt out of the loop and he promised Niki he could cure her.

Bob is also one shady SOB.

There are a million reasons he could be talking to her like that and why the company would want her.

I think it's very likely it could be the virus, hence putting Micah in someone else's care, I was mostly just saying the last time we saw Niki, she was one of the more confused Heroes not completely aware of her situation, she could believe the manifestation of Jessica and the strength is some wacky disease or something of that nature, of course four months is a good amount of time to catch up, so I could be underestimating her.

Like you said, we'll see soon enough.
Sheindie
QUOTE (boonskank @ Oct 8 2007, 10:48 PM) *
ACTUALLY...

After five years or so and MILLIONS, if not BILLIONS, of dollars worth of research, Mohinder said HIMSELF to Sylar (posing as Nathan) that even if he had more time and more money he would probably never be able to reverse people's abilities.

So I'll ask again. What exactly is it that she expects to be cured of?


The Shanti virus which killed Shanti, almost killed Molly and the Haitian and now...Niki has it.
Chrispminis
QUOTE
ACTUALLY...

After five years or so and MILLIONS, if not BILLIONS, of dollars worth of research, Mohinder said HIMSELF to Sylar (posing as Nathan) that even if he had more time and more money he would probably never be able to reverse people's abilities.

So I'll ask again. What exactly is it that she expects to be cured of?


Yes, but Niki doesn't know this. She doesn't even know that it's genetic. She probably thinks that something's just different about her, and she wants to be normal again. She wants her powers to be cured. Bob may or may not know whether or not these powers can be cured or not, but he certainly wants to use Niki's powers.

Now, I don't remember completely, but did Bob say that he needed Niki to do something for him FIRST? Or in RETURN? Because the order matters. If it's FIRST, then Niki does not have the virus, because otherwise her powers would not be available to the Company, so she wants her powers cured, and she needs to do the job before she has her powers cured. It would be the other way around if it was in the reverse order, with her cure required before her powers can be used. I hope my wording isn't too confusing.

Besides all this, powers probably can be cured from people, considering the Haitian and the virus can suppress powers, I'm sure the virus can be modified, or a device created that will allow unwilling heroes to lead normal lives.
Tyrell34
QUOTE (Sheindie @ Oct 8 2007, 07:21 PM) *
The Shanti virus which killed Shanti, almost killed Molly and the Haitian and now...Niki has it.



And probably Sylar too!
Dr. Chaos
QUOTE (Tyrell34 @ Oct 9 2007, 12:05 AM) *
And probably Sylar too!

After what he did to Candice, I can only hope..

I'm out for blood this season.
aulduron
I wonder if Niki isn't working with Noah, and Mohinder. She has the motive. The Company used her, DL, and Micah in their schemes. They kidnapped Micah. They killed DL (or so we believe).

She has the opportunity. She's met Noah, and he knows and what the Company did to them.

Bob probably knows what a willing dupe she's been, and thinks he can use her like Linderman did.
DeveelX
If Niki wanted her ability, or whatver you want to call it, to disappear or 'cured' she could have brought Micah with her.

Either she has the virus and lost her powers and wants it back by 'curing' her or she has plans on her own and that is to find answer on her ability. She {Jessica] used to work with Linderman, and Linderman probably worked with Bob.

Eh who knows...
Dr. Chaos
QUOTE (DeveelX @ Oct 9 2007, 12:46 AM) *
If Niki wanted her ability, or whatver you want to call it, to disappear or 'cured' she could have brought Micah with her.

No, not really.

Not if she expects them to take prolonged surveillance and observation over her, as in spending alot of nights in labs, etc.
314
QUOTE (aulduron @ Oct 9 2007, 12:26 AM) *
I wonder if Niki isn't working with Noah, and Mohinder. She has the motive. The Company used her, DL, and Micah in their schemes. They kidnapped Micah. They killed DL (or so we believe).

She has the opportunity. She's met Noah, and he knows and what the Company did to them.

Bob probably knows what a willing dupe she's been, and thinks he can use her like Linderman did.

Interesting and credible theory, its possible she is using her power problem as a credible excuse to "get inside". Think about it, we have Mohinder in admin part of things by having access to files, history..etc then you have Niki actually in there facilities getting worked on and then you have Matt, Noah and now the Haitian getting what they can from the outside.

So 2 inside from different perspectives and 3 outside poking and prodding the Company. Rock and a hard place kind of thing for the Company.
NSpicer
Judging by last night's episode, I think Niki is just trying to "undo" her powers. After all she went through last season...remember the padded cell?...and the kidnapping of Micah?...and the loss of DL?...I think she wants a normal life for herself and her son now. She also sees herself as being "too dangerous"...both a threat to herself, others, and her own son's future. So, if someone like Bob comes along (whom she doesn't necessarily know works for the same Company as Linderman) and suggests he may be able to "cure" her, I think it's entirely possible she'd seek that opportunity while leaving Micah with DL's family.

Now...is Bob serious? I sincerely doubt it. Much like Linderman, I think Bob's simply using Niki. I don't think his sponsorship of Mohinder is necessarily designed to just find a cure to the Shanti virus. In "Kindred" he mentioned to Niki that he would "need something from her" before he could help her...which may be a genetic sample as opposed to more work-for-hire. If that's the case, Bob and the rest of the Company could be engaged in two distinct activities. One, get a cure to the Shanti virus so their powers never become compromised. And two, get a sample of other heroes' powers so they can find ways to either temporarily nullify them or replicate them.

Or so goes my theory so far...
--Neil
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