I am wondering with Candice's power she can make anyone see anything so could she of faked her death, made Sylar think he killed her and took her power.

It could explain how he couldn't use her power plus to me she seemed to be defeated quite easily, I mean she knows she is dealing with a serial killer lol.

And one last thought, if she is alive and is making him think she is dead. Could she also make him think there in the middle of a jungle...surely her powers could do that considering the beach scene.

We saw Candice's true form. From what we know of her, she would never do this. She let go of the true version of herself long ago. If she was making an illusion, why show her real self? Why not just create a different version of her body? Sylar wouldn't know the difference.

Yes, but Candice being the self-conscious Lady that she is, would not have let Sylar see the gothic fat chick that she once was, even if she wanted to trick him.

Besides, Sylar totally did trick her, because Candice was busy getting hot and kinky.

Yeah he definitely did kill her.

That's my belief, as I mentioned in another thread. Showing her true for is icing on the cake of believability. If she didn't show her true form, we watchers would never believe she was dead.

This topic and 'Sylar's Powers?'..de javu.

Anyway, I'm thinking similar.
He might be in a laboratory or somewhere, and Candice and people she working with are just playing trick's with him.





[next thing you know you're in the eyes of the Mangekyou Sharingan]

Thing is she may of showed her true self to make him truly believe the illusion because if he saw a pretty little thing there he may of been like..is this a trick lol. And I didn't see the graphic novel where we see her true self..is that truly what she looks like?

But I guess until we see him use her power we never will know for sure as her power makes it hard to believe what we see.

Also where is the deja vu, this is about Candice tricking Sylar with her power and that is about Sylars powers...

You. Me. Everyone else. This board. All are illusions of Candace.

You are not really reading this. All of us are just meat popsicles.

That's not what I expected her to look like, but close enough. A fat chick, OK.

I'm hoping that it's all and illusion and she's still toying with Sylar, but it's a long shot. This would mean she was expecting him to try to kill her. And I think it would have been something they revealed to us in the background.

I was actually hoping he would accept someone's help instead of always being a complete ******. At least assess the situation he's in before doing such drastic things such as killing her. I know he's thirsty for powers, maybe, but we've also known him to be very patient and cunning. He should have waited until he knew more about where he was, who he was with, and what happened to him.

She's a fat, ugly girl named Betty.

That was totally pointless and rude.

As for her being fat aulduron, I knew that from what she said on the show..just wondering if that is what she looks like exactly. What graphic novel she appear in so I can check.

Agreed.

And you know, if he DOES has her power, I can't see him using it often. Sylar thinks highly of himself. He'd want people to KNOW what was going on. He proably views her power as a cop out. He even said that it was ridiculous of her to hide who she was or whatever. He'll use it to get his powers back..but I don't think he'll walk around as someone else too much. Unless its for his own personal use. But this isn't the Syhindlar thread so we wont go there.

exactly what i think, maybe the people who just watch the television show would think diffrently, but people who actually read the novels would know better and tell others.

and remember sylars origional powers was something along the lines of "he knows how things work" so dont you think he would be able to tell if that was her real form or not? he never said anything about not having his origional power.

The graphic novel was a 4 parter called "Betty". That was pretty much what she looked like. She was fatter in the GN though.

She was 'Betty' in the GN .. homely, overweight and zitty (check out the GN on 9th)..THAT was her true self. .. and Sylar DID just kill her. It's not an illusion, and he's freaking out. Maybe Sylar has the virus (didn't Tim Kring say the virus will play a large part in this season?).



Tyrell was just being funny.. I laughed when I read that. If you go to the forum :Graphic Novels
I believe you'll be able to find the "Betty" one that Ryan Odagawa drew. Betty was fat, and homely and zitty and quite unattractive. THAT is her true self. I think you can even go to the NBC site where they have the various novels.. just look for "Betty" and the chapter number. It really helped to understand her.

Well, I checked out the GN so thanks to those who told me which one it was.

After seeing it I believe even more it could be an illusion, you see the kind of stuff she pulled off in it and that was before joining the Company and presumingly getting better with her power.

All I know is this, she could of easily faked everything we saw with her power so really until we see Sylar use her power we will never know unless its officially said she was killed by Sylar or of course if she shows up again in the show we know it was a illusion

Also she would not have to know Sylar wanted to kill her to fake the illusion because when she does an illusion its real to whomever its cast on so she was probably standing back invisible to Sylar while he chatted up an illusion and because of how her power works he could touch said illusion as if it was real..etc.

http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/novels_display.shtml?

..hope this helps

Or trying to be, at least. Not meant to be rude at all. Sorry.

Read Beaming Beeman's new blog for the answer to if she was tricking him or not...

And Beeman's Blog pretty much confirms that while they were going to do a storyline with Candice and Sylar together that stretched over several episodes, they abandoned that idea when she got a part on "Reaper", which shoots in Canada, eh!

Beeman said there were scheduling conflicts, and so they reduced the part to just one episode, but when they still couldn't get the conflicts resolved, they just recast her part (since she CAN look like anyone!).
He liked this new actress, but likened her to Charlie, where they had a great person they were only going to use for 1 episode.

That coupled with the GN evidence all points to it really being her on the floor, d-e-a-d.

The question I have is whether Sylar does have her power and is just unable to use it, or if his own power of "figuring out how things work" was hampered to the point where he made a mistake in how he thought she was doing it, and now he won't be able to use that power.

..you're actually my friend on 9th Wonders! and I enjoy your humor and insights..
I thought you did come across as funny and I sat there with a huge grin. Anyway..with new fans on the boards, I think a 'smiley' at the end would help ...Sheindie

First the blog does in no way give us a answer one way or the other and second you made another thread and acted like it for sure said she was killed which she was not. Have fun having your thread deleted or merged into this one as it should be.

As for the blog, all it says is that the plot between the two character were cut from multiple episodes to one because of Missy not being able to play the part. I personally find it ridiculous that the show destroy an entire plot just because they can't cast the same person into a role that can be played by anyone..its a real disservice to fans of Candice and to us in general that they cop out so easy when they didn't have to.

So does the blog answer anything, no. All the blog does is tell us that there was a great storyline that was going to be between the two characters that was cut to nothing because they couldn't get over re-casting the role of Candice for more than one episode which like I said is BS. I know I wouldn't of minded seeing someone else play Candice, before this actress played her we did see her played by 4 other people already lol.

So the topic is still up in the air until we get official confirmation that her character is dead through Sylar using her power or the show saying she is dead in a interview..or whatever.

Uhh did you just do a quick skim? Cause I'm pretty sure it does answer the question of whether shes dead or not.

"After seeing her dailies and the first cut of the episode, we discussed whether we could conceive of a way to keep her alive in the stories. But that bus had already left the station. So (similar to what happened with “Charlie” in Paul Edwards other episode “Seven Minutes To Midnight” last year) another great actress will be here for just one episode!"

They discussed how they could keep her alive and couldn't find a way...

AND Zachary Quinto himself stated in an interview not long ago he would kill another character during his first appearance.

When they say alive in the stories they could easily mean in what we see in the show, it doesn't mean they killed her..just killed her stories. If they said so we decided to kill her off then ya it would answer this thread's theories but it didn't say that.

And as for what Zachary Quinto said, that blog said there story was to be longer so he may of not meant her obviously unless he said that after all the episodes were done...do you know if he said it after they were all done? Besides the act of killing and actually killing are different, he could of simply meant we seee him kill another character which we did...but the question of this thread was what he did real or was it an illusion.

Either way until they say they killed her..etc we won't know for sure.

Yeah he did say they were in the middle of filming episode five when he had the interview.

Well, like I said in my previous post he could of just meant we see him kill another character and we did...once again the question is was it real because of her power.

And like I said there has been no definitive proof of that so don't act like there is.

He said it would be a character we knew but whatever. I'm pretty sure shes dead and I'm sure most would agree after Zach revealed that information and Beeman said keep her alive IN the story. Not keep her story alive. Not being able to keep Candice alive in the story sounds very dead to me. But I'll back off since its pretty clear you really want 150% proof to her being dead which you can't get with any characters death...

Once again he said he do the act of killing a character, he didn't say they really be dead. And Beeman said they couldn't keep her alive in the stories meaning she is not in the show anymore, it doesn't mean she is truly dead.

And I don't want 150% proof to her being dead, I want us to know for sure she is dead because her power lends the possibility of her death being an illusion.

I do think she could of died but while its still possible that she tricked Sylar then I can't decide either way, I am in the middle still so until something happens in the show i.e. Sylar using her power or its officially said that she was killed and it wasn't a trick then I can't decide either way as either possibility is equally possible.

Remember we saw lots of people die that came back to life so who's to say she didn't trick Sylar.

Well after reading the latest beaman blog, it was obvious that the producers first had a other and longer storyline for candice that missy were supposed to play. Missy wanted to do both shows at first but the schedules got messy so they wanted to reduce the whole thing in one day so she can be killed (weak I know ).
After even this didn't worked out, it was said that they got a good actress to play the role which actually was very easy due to candices character not showing her true form after all.

However, they got lazy and dropped the whole story they had for the character, limited everything in one episode doing "expensive effects" for her power once only and let her be killed as weak as the story they put together when they wrote that she saved sylar even she actually wasn't supposed to due to lindermans plan.

A cool thing of the writers trying to make fool of us by changing things they already had stated out of the box as if we were too dumb to notice the changes even their explanation turned out to be senseless. -.-

I'm sure that "all of sudden" in the last episode before zacharys movie filming starts (around mid season probably), sylar will probably be able to use his powers again(Surprise! Surprise!) and (look at this!) he will change his appearance with candices power, go make his trek movie and come back in a comfortable way..

Except if they let her power go totally wasted by no one having it anymore so they don't have to pull off such expensive effects anymore. I mean who wants big effects in a show with VERY rare action?

The Hyped Audience is here already isn't it? No matter how many dissappointments are coming our way, we will still keep viewing. Quotes high for NBC, everything is well with the series.

Oh well.. The general way almost every series that goes well in their first season goes I guess...

I really hope that things will improve a bit because if they go that way further, I doubt there will be a third season available.

I was thinking that with Zach taking time off from Heroes to play Spock, the writers might have Sylar take the form of another actor for a few episodes. Sylar has already used the names of former victims as aliases (Zane Taylor, Isaac Mendez). Maybe with Candice's power, he will take their forms as well. I would be nice to see Isaac again, even if it's just an illusion.

While I agree with it being a total cop out and BS that they destroyed a storyline just because they didn't want to recast a role already played by 5+ people, I still say the possibility of her being alive and her death being a illusion is still viable.

I only say this because they never specifically said they killed her off, in the blog they just said they couldn't find a way to keep her alive in the stories meaning keeping her in the stories and Zach just said we see him kill a known character, he didn't say if they actually be truly dead.

So its still up in the air until we have some sort of confirmation one way or the other.

According to Beeman's blog, and others, she is gone. They had to replace Missy to do it and this is how it was done. I dont' believe that she could illusion that much blood and Sylar got her the way he got the first guy, by whacking her in the head. She also looked surprised that he had done it, but she should have know he was stronger than he appeared when he had her arm on the beach and had her show him what it was really like.

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Candance is dead. D-E-A-D, dead. Everything shown on screen and said off screen would seem to verify this as fact. You're free to hold out hope that she may come back to life, but that's about as likely as Kaito still being alive. For the time being, both characters are dead, unless anything is shown to contradict this, I will believe it.

That said, I think Candace was a little too cocky for her own good and got what she deserved. She obviously thought Sylar would share her view on things and would want her help, she expected him to be an outsider like herself that would jump at the chance to be with a woman who could be anything, give anything, that he desired. She was wrong, and she paid the price of her arrogance.

Any doubts that is was someone in the company she was talking to on the phone before Sylar woke up? So who is it in the company that seems to think that is better for Sylar to be kept alive? This is the second time the company has spared his life, someone must have an agenda for him, or knows something we don't know about the future.

methinks Sylar has family ties to the company he doesn't know about

or somebody just wants to see what happens when you set someone as dangerous as him on the world

Yeah I was shocked.

I mean really, how stupid do they think the viewers are? Betty is a person who can create illusions using her mind. Now, dont forget that Betty is fat and ugly. So lets use some logical thinking shall we?

Why on earth would an illusionist walk around as part of her own illusion? Shes not a shape shifter right? I mean last season it was made clear she wasnt a shape shifter, so why was she casting an illusion over top of herself? I mean, why wear a costume when you could create a robot? Wouldnt it be easier for her to sit her (Im assuming) lazy fat self on a chair and simply cast illusions? Why would she put herself in harms way? It just doesnt make any sense. We know she can create new made up people to interact with (Remember the twins? I do ), so why would she create an costume illusion when she could create a clone illusion? I assume it was because of lazy last minute writing.

Betty's power was hands down the most powerful ability they have had on the show (If not first, only second to Hiro's) and she was killed bare handed by someone who just got run through with a dang samurai sword. Did I miss the scene where the writers give us hints that Betty has the brain power of a sac of potatoes? Because if I was dealing with a serial killer who lusted after super powers you can bet the god damn farm id keep my distance.

I consider myself a huge comic fan and in turn a huge Heroes fan, but I just cant take this BS writing. The only way to stop Sylar now is with the Haitian. With out him to turn off the illusions, no one can stop Sylar. In the graphic novels Betty (candice's true self) was killing people by accident with her powers. Good lord, this is horrible.

Sylar is super powerful and so is Peter. The problem is we will never see a real super powered fight. Every fight will be a writers\SFX cop out.

Betty also had some serious mental issues, as was noted in the GN, she was not happy with who she was and really wanted to be accepted by others. She wanted Sylar to love her and she wanted him to be impressed by her abilities. She was overly confident that he would feel a certain way about her, and she paid the price for being overly confident, just as many comic book bad guys/girls before her have.

I think Betty truely thought that Sylar would have some soft spot for her after saving his life, and if she had indeed been caring for him for the last 4 months, she may have gotten very close to him, and maybe even fallen under the spell of her own illusion. Right before Sylar clocked her, she was expecting him to kiss her, which is what she wanted, so why would she let an illusion have all the fun when she could be kissing him for real? The temptation of physical pleasure and love was her downfall, it blinder her to the fact she was dealing with a cold blooded killer.

You took the words right out of my mouth.

It would be nice if it was an illusion...I'm kinda annoyed he killed her. Wouldn't it be MORE of a twist if Sylar and Michelle aka Candice actually teamed up? I mean seriously he killed Candice, is that something new? He already killed like a million other people...sure he's Sylar so he's animalistic and everything but it's just the same as in last season.

Its possible, but thanks to lazy writing we will never know for sure. Keep in mind that the writers have to assume most people have no clue who betty is. I dont personally think Betty was falling for Sylar. Betty isnt someone who opens up to anyone. Shes an illusionist for a reason. She hides everything, so its a simple conclusion to come to that she even hides her emotions.
The scene where Sylar hits her head in wasnt a romantic scene. It was a scene of lust and desire. She was tempting Sylar, she was teasing him with power IMO.

Still, I would have a much easier time believing what you said compaired to what was shown in the episode. The problem here is lazy writing, nothing more nothing less. We will never get a clear answer to why all this happened.

Personally, I'm betting that the problems we're running into with the story are the result of the writers being stretched thin rather than them simply being slackers. This show has an unusually large cast, a tight shooting schedule and many, many sub-plots that are trying to, more or less, all tie-in together.

I find it ironic that all of the posts about the "lazy writing" are chock-full of bad grammar and typos.

That's exactly the vibe I got from that as well, despite her death being totally wasted and unnecessary. Deep down, she was just a hurt little girl who wanted people to like her. Kinda' pathetic for a person of her power.

Did you purposely ignore all my other post after that which addressed the blog?


Under normal circumstances I agree she is dead as we saw her get killed but because of her power anything we see could simply be an illusion.

In the end there is no definitive proof she was killed or she is alive, until there is this theory could be very true. I believe that both her being dead and her simply casting an illusion is equally possible because they both could happen.

Remember Candice was dealing with a serial killer, why would she put herself in direct danger by being visible to him in the sense she was playing Michelle and not just standing back watching her creation Michelle chat with Sylar. Even with him thinking he couldn't use his powers in the end he still try to kill someone and get there powers and Candice knew that by his history.

/clap. I agree 100% And to add to the fact of the way they dip dodged us with their way of tossing the Candice storyline out of the window and covering up with ..nothing? Tsk Tsk Tsk..

I agree with this. Too many storylines to follow. Not enough time or money. Too many conflicts with actrors and actresses moving on to "better" things.

I'm somewhat disappointed that they did not spend more time with the Sylar and Candice interplay though. It would have been an interesting relationship dynamic to explore and develop. Instead, it seems it was runover roughshod by time constraints and other storylines demanding more attention and such.

I'd much rather the writers focus on the Sylar/Candice sub-plot than the Peter having amnesia sub-plot. In fact, I almost think this season would have been more interesting if Peter's whereabouts were more of a mystery, not only to the characters on the show, but to the audience as well. Provide some more buildup towards his disappearance and the details to what happened to him by not showing him at all... until perhaps midseason.

Oh well, enough of my ranting.

At least we all agree that Candice's demise was a mistake.

She was dealing with a serial killer, a serial killer that she has spent the last 4 months with. Candace may be a lot of things, but she is still human. She grew close to him and after taking care of this "sleeping lion" for the last 4 months, she thought she had him tamed.

I guess a good comparision would be the story of Timothy Treadwell, who for years lived among bears and thought he was safe amonst them. Then one day he woke up to find a bear snacking on him. False comfort with deadly animals, it has brought many people to their deaths.

So while I guess there is no proof as of yet that she is dead and completely gone, there is a likely scenario that would lead to her death, and everything on-screen leads us to believe she is dead. So that is what I will believe till I see something to make me think otherwise.

I just realized something in all this. When Sylar attacked her she was still conscious and therefore could of used her power to escape by making her go invisible or whatever. But she didn't which suggest she wanted him to think he killed her. Now you say but she couldn't use her power it that state, first she was using the illusion of Michelle when hurt and we all saw her still using the illusion of Missy after being knocked out by Niki with her super strength.

So simply put she could still use her power after being hurt so why would she not use it to save herself unless her intent was to make him think he killed her for whatever reasons...or perhaps she did use her power to save herself by getting out of there while the hurt Michelle that she formerly was gets killed. That way he thinks she is dead so he won't look for her. As for the range of her power, she clearly has quite a range so she could easily be running away while maintaining the illusion in Sylars mind even while all bloody from getting hurt as proven by her maintaining the illusion of Michelle while hurt.

Just something else to further suggest she is not dead and it was an illusion.

The only way we'll see Candice/Michelle again is if Sylar hallucinates as sees her. I'm almost certain she's dead, and yes, I hate it.

Geez, the blog is so clear, I understand that people that liked Candice try to search things where there aren't any, but they were clear there, even comparing Candice to Charlie... Charlie was dead, Candice's dead. That's what there is to it.

And I personally like it. I hated Candice and I was kinda glad she was written off. However... I just hope Sylar didn't manage to acquire her abilities somehow, proving that his ability of acquiring powers is connected to his special abilities, so since he doesn't seem to have his powers, he can't really learn anyone else's powers.

That's what I hope.