I can't believe that there was an instance again that they got separated. Heck, for 3 consecutive episodes there would always be something that makes them separate. So will this continue and be a like a trademark for every episode? Cause quite frankly it's getting tiring, repetitive and dragging if this is just a way for the writers to stretch out their "journey to america". Anybody feel the same way?

The whole story is becoming boring...

I've got cousin's that have reached the border faster, and they came a long way in under three days...

They need to boost this up alot faster..

yeah in this episode she looked like she almost liked the power. And wasnt that Claire's Rogue they sped off in?

OMG..!

I think you may be onto something here!

Yeah, go read the other threads about the car, its quite interesting

As for the cas of the inseparable twins thing, i agree. No two people have ever been as unable to stay together as these two have shown themselves to be over the last few eps, coincidently that is the thing they must do. Then again it's no diffferent from Claire in the early part of last season, she was able to come back to liofe and she died three times in about 4 eps, none of which had anything to do with supervillains or anything, i mean how often do cheerleaders get their heads twisted around in an accidental tackle anyways?

I would hazard a guess that the writers are going to realise that its happened one too many times and we shouldnt have to see it again for a while.

I agree. It was okay the first couple of times. Yeah, they are giving viable reasons for the split, but it's still something I'd like to see benched for a few episodes. And I do think that was Claire's car. Heh.

NO WAY!... Was that really Claire's car?!

It's a pattern that really needs to come to an end. Personally, I think their whole storyline so far has been really boring & it doesn't help to have the same miniplot in every ep. The writers need to do something soon to make these two more interesting.

The trend is all going to end when Sylar comes their way..

LOL. For once, I'll be rooting for Sylar.

Wow..if someone can get from Honduras to America in 3 days on FOOT(except for 1 botched truck ride), that is amazing... I think they are just taking their time to build up their story lines- just like they did Niki/Jessica at the beginning of the first season. Everyone was saying the Niki/Jessica story was boring too at first, but then it started to really pick up. There is alot going on that they are having to fill in with everyone, plus introducing the new characters. Personally, I'm getting tired of the whole Kensei thing... make him a hero already so Hiro and Ando can reunite (cuz Ando looks like he's in a drug-induced stupor right now), plus so Hiro can kick some butt in revenge for his father's death.

Same here (for once), i think Sylar will definatly bring a new storyline and a lot of tension to M & A

I really like the Maya/Alejandro scenes because I think their powers are very cool. I do think the third time they got separated in this last episode was one time too much, but it's not totally over the top and I don't think it'll be constant. All the storylines are progressing...when they meet Sylar next episode, I'm sure their arc will take a new turn. Alejandro will probably die soon (I was rooting for Sylar to kill him, abduct Maya and make her kill for him, only using Alejandro's power when he really wants to, but I know that's not going to happen). We're only 3 episodes in...I wouldn't call it repetitive unless they actually do continue doing that. But it seems like it's going to move forward and take a new direction this next ep anyway.

Yep...I feel the same...it is just that their scenes are so depressing...and over and over with the eyes, and the "Maya !"..."Alejandro !"

I hate all the forced drama. Trying to steal a car in broad daylight is just stupid. Of course, they're going to get caught and separated again. It's so predictable and not in a good way. Bored now...

Dear Writers: The Twins Arc is a Dud, Maya, Alajendro: It's just not Working folks..

I know that the premise of the show was to be about regular people discovering super powers. So there is a certain logical "truth" about showing normal people in their element - coping with the situation. And maybe latino teens/early 20 somethings looking confused and helpless in this situation could be "true". But come on...do they have to be so utterly stupid?

And maybe the fact I'm a Canadian distances me from latin Americans and their emigration problems...but...

Man-oh-man - the twins story is B-O-R-I-N-G. There's not much of a reason to like them or pull for them. Anybody stupid enough to steal a Cadillac at high noon from a town square - BY BREAKING A WINDOW arguably deserves Midnight Express in the nearest Mexican jail.

It's just not working for me. And all indications are that it's just not working for *anbody* on these forums. If I'm wrong here - chime in and tell me so. But it seems to me that whether the fans are Canadian or from a Texas Border town - it's not working. Suckage like this is international in its odor; it not saved by the frequency (or quality) of Tex-Mex cooking at your local roadhouse.

So where the hell are they going with this? Surely they can't be ignorant to the fact that this thing is just not working on the screen. Tim Kring is nobody's fool. Neither are the rest of the people involved in Heroes. So what's up with this?

I'm not sure what the game plan was with these new characters. But I honestly think this needs some quick re-tooling. The writers of Heroes have proven pretty adept at realizing when they have some very cool popular members and stories evolving out of the show (HRG and Sylar).

They need to be just as savvy in recognizing plotlines that aren't working. Rethink, re-invent and re-write folks - or cut your losses and call it a day. Because whatever it is you had hoped would happen with the twins just ain't working at all.

Actually, they're one of my favorite storylines at the moment. The only problem is that there hasn't been that much that's happened yet.

But that's pretty much the issue with EVERYONE'S story. At the moment there are just tons of characters and not enough time to delve into their lives. I'd have to say that Matt's story has been pretty damn bland. The only thing we've seen from him is that he's now a detective and that apparently Molly wears the pants in their new father/daughter relationship.

All Claire has done so far is complain about her new situation and get stalked by a creep.

Nathan's had like 10 seconds of screen time and hasn't really been involved either.

So far I'd say Maya and Alejandro are doing pretty well.

Ya that is true, not much on anyone and the only person it fits with is Peter really since he is starting over fresh with amnesia. Hiro's story is pretty much fine and the rest are a bit short..some way short like Nathan but he will get a bigger role next episode if the previews suggested right.


OMG..right now I'm imagining her with huge man pants on looking angry at Matt in the fetal position saying "Yes Mommy"

Personally, I'm looking forward to see how they broach the subject of illegal immigration.

But I agree that this much screen time devoted to any character(s) basically doing the same thing throughout is pretty damn boring. We do get a bit more insight into their powers each time which I think is cool, but it's still pretty much the same thing over and over again. I'd rather get that insight by them interacting with the other "heroes" and main cast.

I believe that they will begin to do just that in the next episode, however.


Overall, I think the show has been slow. But I think that's to be expected in the beginning coming off of a bunch of arcs, subplots and whatnot that concluded with the season finale. I just hope it picks up soon.

I think they should have rather introduced them in the second or third episode instead of showing them running to the border over and over again, getting chased by police over and over again, and crying tar tears over and over again. Two sequences of them, or even just one, would have sufficed to communicate what they've communicated in like 5 or 6.

I would have liked to see more of Angela or Nathan instead. And maybe they could have cut out the flying scene too.

I for one actually like that flying scene, but on topic.

I am hoping that their character's purpose comes to fruition next episode when they find Sylar on the road and pick him up.

I think the twins are cool, but I'm getting sick of them finding some inane way to get separated every week. It's really silly, and each week it becomes about how they're going to separate the two of them. I wish they'd just kill of the brother and have the sister running about killing people until the others stop her.

[quote name='Steel_Wind' post='509451' date='Oct 10 2007, 03:06 AM']It's just not working for me.

Then focus on the ten other storylines until this one picks up steam, they aren't going to give the twins this much screen time if their story wasn't integral to the season

And all indications are that it's just not working for *anbody* on these forums.

not true, generalization, i personally want to see how it turns out and how it will affect the rest of the season

So where the hell are they going with this?

That is why the have a full season, not just three episodes to start and end a story

Surely they can't be ignorant to the fact that this thing is just not working on the screen. Tim Kring is nobody's fool. Neither are the rest of the people involved in Heroes. So what's up with this?

Exactly, he isn't dumb, that's why you have to wait a little, i believe there is a word called patience. honestly, with all the characters in this show, how many actual minutes of screen time have been devoted to these two, .07?

I'm not sure what the game plan was with these new characters. But I honestly think this needs some quick re-tooling. The writers of Heroes have proven pretty adept at realizing when they have some very cool popular members and stories evolving out of the show (HRG and Sylar).

Not possible when your shooting non-stop on multiple episodes at once, do you remeber people crapping on the Niki/jessica storyline last year? they didn't re-tool or stop showing her and the season was still spectacular

cut your losses and call it a day.

sorry but between this comment and the use of the word Suckage I'm going to have to guess your around 15. how would you like them to cut their losses, give back millions of dollars to NBC and say, we're sorry we read the forums and Steel_Wind said we should re-tool so we'll come back with the re-tooled season 2 starting next year

Just give the show a time to progress, season one ended by closing out pretty much all the storylines they created in those 23 episode which I thought was superb, it had a beginning (which through re-watching I doubt anyone can say were action-packed or fast moving) a middle and ending. When you have large stories covering the globe and centuries of time, maybe it's going to take a second for it all to be pulled together. Yes they keep showing the twins running, evading police and crossing boarders but what would you have prefered? they showed them in epi one like they did and by episode three they were safely in NYC talking to Suresh. They are running scared and made a stupid mistake by breaking into the car but what do you know they hook up with a guy who is heading their way, seems destined that they wound up in the police station. I believe in Kring and think it will be tied into the overall story of this season, it's just going to take more than a seventh of the episodes to show us.

Apparently it's gonna get a lot better next episode...in case you haven't seen the Canadian promo, here it goes (spoiler warning!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCrRgaP9MG8

Maya and Alejandro's storyline is the most interesting one right now to me.

The storyline that I'm getting bored with is Hiro's. Everytime I see Hiro and Kensei, I want to change the channel.

See, now I find, Maya's arc, like the Niki/Jessica story line from last year, off to a very slow start. I'm hoping out hope that it picks up and pulls into the main story better though.

meh , tis all swings & roundabouts...maya's hot - therefore i like the arc ...her actually killing folks ( or trying to ) on purpose was nice..her powers still a bit of mystery.. i think we needs mohinder giving us psuedo scientific facts about it!...but in the long term maya has something very important to do in the series, hopefully her arc will pay off more than Niki's ( which imho sucked )

Well i, for one, think that Maya y Alejando 's storyline is interesting and i cant wait for next episode with them finding Sylar and going to New York to find Mohinder in this case..

It seems like people aren't patient enough to actually watch each episode carefully, and getting their hopes up TO QUICKLY etc.. Just let their storyline expand a little, the season just started >__<

Like other people said, I think that their story is just getting started- they have to introduce both their powers and the other issues surrounding them over the episodes- otherwise it would be one entire episode entirely devoted to them. Sure, trying to steal a car in the day time was silly, but it was also desperation which I'm sure some of us know something about (although I wouldn't steal a car... LOL). It is just like how they had to build Niki's story line- everyone had the same complaints with her arc initially, and then it picked up. Things are moving a little slow, but that is true for every story line right now- epecially Hiro and Kensei (I hope that is over soon).

I think it's about to start getting crazy next week.. but we can't expect action-packed, surprise- filled episodes every single week...otherwise, when would there be time for character/plot development?

Go Maya and Alejandro!

I have to agree, I am on twin overload.

I'm ready for their story to settle down and for the show to move on to better stories. I haven't seen any reason yet as to why I should care about the twins.

I guess it's just that I'm getting tired of every week with the being the same thing. They sweat, they run, they get seperated, she cries, people die, he shows up and sucks back up the poison or whatever it is, they hug and then it all starts over again.

My interest in these two characters has been wanning in each new episode, but I've been trying to keep my hopes up, then the scene you described happened along with the intention to murder. At that point I lost all sympathy for those characters.

I even prefer more Micah time to these killer bozos with mascara running down their cheeks.

I like them okay, especially Maya. But the twin thing bugs me a little because I don't see a clear reason for their powers to be connected. Being twins shouldn't really matter since they're fraternal, not identical.

I'd just be patient with them. They've only had about 15 minutes of screen time in total so there's still a hell of a lot of story to be told.

I think anyone that feels she was intentionally trying to murder those cops wasn't looking closely enough.

Notice that she tried to reason with them at first, letting them know they needed to be together and were trying to get to America so she could get medical help.
When this failed, she became desperate.
She saw the wanted poster and realized that her only chance to be reunited with her brother, and prevent further deaths, would be to take matters into her own hands.
Obviously this thing is brought on by either stress or strong emotions.
She knew the cops would be rough with her when they found out they were wanted for murder.
She knew this would trigger the "event".
However she also knew that if she got to her brother soon enough, everyone in the immediate area would be instantly cured. Remember that friend that was trying to help them revived, and neither of them seemed surprised about that. So there is apparantly a time-limit on how soon he has to get to her.
His statement led me to believe that this was the first time she had intentionally used her power this way, not that she was trying to murder them on purpose.
She knew they would be revived, and was willing to trade off the temporary pain and suffering to be with her brother, who would prevent mass pain and suffering.

We saw in previous episodes how much it hurt her emotionally to know she was responsible for those deaths, so I don't think she was trying to kill them, just trying to incapacitate them while she got her brother out.

I agree that it is starting slow, but I am intrigued in where it is headed!

I'm really hoping their storyline would get interesting. If I get another Maya-gets-separated-from-Alejandro-and-kills-people scene, I'll freak. I'd like to know how Alejandro's powers work, as well. I wish he's able to do more, though.

I completely agree with the OP, the Twins aren't catching my attention. I live in New York City, and I'm around immigrants ALL DAY, and half of the ones I know are smarter than those two kids. Besides, I saw that canadian preview for the next episode, Maya and Alejandro + Sylar = ??

I've also been very dissapointed with the lack of Nathan. He was one of my top favorite Heroes, and for him not to have any screen time was a large dissapointment, but I believe he will get some more air time (hee hee I made a bad pun) in the next episode.

Now THAT'S a party: Maya, Alejandro, a car theif and Sylar all headed stateside in Claire's Rogue.

C'mon? What could be cooler?

As for them so far... I can think of far WORSE ways to spend 12 minutes of my life, or 12 mintues total between 3 episodes than watching two kids who hold the key to the whole Plague storyline try to survive.

Just because Alejandro was there to fix it, doesn't make her actions any less dark. She RISKED their lives, gambled with them. Even their dialogue shows that Maya did something terrible, or was willing to do so, even if Alejandro could fix it.

powerfull and I like the twins story line. Let's not forget, we (as viewers) don't understand their powers as of yet. All of the other heroes (except Kensei and West) have abilities we know. Peter and Sylar are rediscovering theirs, but for the rest it is common knowledge.

The reason the show has made an impact on the fanbase is the fact that not everything was clear from the start. Throughout the first season we learned the specifics behins the more interesting powers, or at least got more to what they were... (Peter 's teachings under the care of Claude, Sylar's copying first explained, then shown with generic powers (Zane, Dale), then put to abuse), Linderman only shown at the end of the season)...

The mysteries (and the revelations) are what made the show interesting. Giving us 2 new characters, both with interesting powers (one kills all around her, the other keeps it in control) who are also handling a delicate international problem (illegal immigrants) are a great story to follow, and the fact it is told in detail, compared to nearly all other storied (except Hiro's), means it must be important to the rest of the season...

I like them too. They seem to have a very unique power. I'm not a huge comic book fan, (just your standards Spider-Man, X-Men, ect...) but I've never heard of a power like this. Does anyone know if this has been done before? Does it have an inspiration? If not I think it is one of the most creative powers they've come up with so far.

I LOVE the twin story line. So get over it.

I love the twins as well. They have one of the only three arcs that interest me. Maybe this thread should have had poll?

I feel like I'm in the Twilight Zone - I really like the twins, I think Dania and Shalim are really good and really selling it, and their powers have a lot of dramatic potential.

Don't kill me for saying this, but right now I find their storyline more interesting than Claire's (and I don't dislike Claire's storyline, but it does kind of rehash some things we saw last year).



That's quite obviously not true, several people have chimed in on this thread that they like the twins.

Besides, I think it's a general trend in fandom (not just Heroes, but all fandoms) for the complainers to be loudest. People just don't generally post "Hey, I'm totally OK with storyline X."

Let's start from the premise that I love their storylines and it's one of my favorites so far... That said, let's comment.



They're not confused or helpless, they're desperate. Maya needs to "cure" herself, Alejandro needs to be there so she doesn't kill people, that's what we call being desperate. When you're desperate, sometimes you tend to do stupid things.



Again, he was desperate. Foolish? Yeah, it was. Very much. But he was desperate, they were.

And about being a Canadian... I'm Italian and I know very much how hard it is for Latin Americans or any kind of imigrants. You don't need to be ONE to understand what they go through, you just need to turn on the TV or read some newspapers.

But then again, Italy gets a lot of illegal immigrants every day too, so maybe I'm a little more used to it.


Umm, as you can see, the responses on this thread show that you're wrong on assuming it's not working for anyone. It's working for me pretty much, it's actually one of the things that gets me hooked.

I'm Italian and it gets no more international than that, different country, different language than the original English spoken on the show and forums, different culture, and it's still working for me.



Again, if it's not working for you, turn the TV off. It seems to be working for a lot of other people (if not the majority). So of course they won't change it just cause you don't like it

The rest of the people in Heroes seem also PRETTY excited about it. Watch the commentaries. They don't look like they're lying when they say how much they love that part of the show.

Well, let me explain then. Maya's got a deadly ability that is a curse for her. She needs to understand how to stop it or control it. They got the book that Chandra Suresh wrote, they're heading to meet Chandra (of course they don't know he's dead). So they're going through all the hassle to arrive in the United States so Maya can be saved.

Got it? Of course, you should get the sarcasm on my sentences too. I think they have A LOT in store for those two. And I'm so willing to see what it is.



Well, this is one of the few plotlines that are ACTUALLY working... and you want them to rewrite it? Yeah, they'll rewrite it just cause you want to *rolls eyes*

Or you'd rather have Claire with her boyfriend, Hiro in Japan helping a drunk Kensei, or Peter amnesiac in Ireland becoming a bad guy... cause those are better plots than the Dominican twins, right?

Now don't get me wrong, I agree that it was indeed a very dark scene.
You're right that the dialogue indicated that she had crossed a line she had never crossed before.
One where she was intentionally using the power, instead of trying to contain it.
And it is just one step from using it intentionally with the knowledge that a quick reunion with her brother will "cure" them, to using it to willingly harm people with no intention of them being cured.
Notice that she was even afraid to get in the front of the truck with those guys in the first episode, instead of just using it to incapacitate them and then her, her brother and everyone else stealing the truck and heading for the border!

I agree, she definitely entered into a dark place here.
I am only trying to point out the difference between what she did, and people saying she meant to kill them.

How come when Alejandro restored Maya in the jailhouse the American revived but the 'policia' didn't? Bothers me. I mean, put them in a cell and THEN restore Maya and they can all revive but only the American is let out.

When the American said he had a car, how did they understand him?

And what I hear is that Sylar gets Alejandro's power to try to cure himself of whatever it is that's blocking his powers. Then it doesn't work, so he takes Maya to Mohinder.

They did. If you look close enough, right after the American guy was revived, the policemen were starting to "wake up" too. They were just faster than the policemen to run out of jail.



Because obviously they speak English, but Alejandro just didn't WANT to speak to the guy.

Ugh, tell me about it. I was watching and watching only to find that he's not even in the episode. I mean, if they can spend so much time on the twins, Hiro, Claire, etc, surely they can spend time to focus on Nathan as well.

Well I'd pretty upset if the creators were to change the story based on you speaking for me.
Besides that, I'd be pretty upset if they thought they had to "re-tool" a story that they've been making for months, simply because one or two people say they don't "get it".
Regardless of the quality of the storyline, bad things happen when artists start trying to please everyone.

I actually really like this story so far, and I'm from Australia. We're an island, there aren't any borders to cross, but I can still relate to the twins' situation.
In fact there aren't any storylines that I dislike so far (with the exception of one character; West. But I'm willing to give that time too- more than 3 eps).As someone said above, there was never an intention to kill the guards, only incapacitate them. Sure it was dark, but she had to make a snap decision: if she isn't reunited with her bother and able to escape, then people will start dying.
She made a value judgement, an no-one was (seiously) hurt.
Mohinder was gonna shoot Sylar, right? He was going to take a life to save many more. Whether it was right or wrong, he made a moral appraisal of his situation an did what he believed he had to do to help serve the "greater good".
Again, whether it was wrong or right doesn't matter, the point is that people are forced to make these decisions sometimes. That's the point of the show; it's not a comic book. There are no good guys/bad guys, just people making choices. This is a fact the charactes themselves have alluded to many times throughout the show.

*EDIT*

Totally responded in the wrong thread, sorry